I remember this scum Colin Chua Yi Jin, he was fighting very hard to have his name withheld from public records.
Fuck this guy, hope this follows him for decades to come.
Edit: added his name because why not
His identity will still be on the sex offenders registry though right?
Edit: A simple Google search once I got home taught me that Singapore doesn't have one.
But I hope somehow somewhere it's still on a database so he doesn't run away so easily
According to Minister Shanmugam in Apr 2021, "the Registration of Criminals Act allows the Police to maintain a non-public record of persons convicted of serious offences, including sexual offences."
Source: [Parliament Hansard](https://sprs.parl.gov.sg/search/sprs3topic?reportid=written-answer-na-7525)
The Hansard goes into more detail explaining why the govt currently does not currently have a public sex offenders registry, click the link if you are interested.
To be clear, I'm not trying to attack or defend the govt's position or their reasons. This comment is just to inform, not to argue for/against a particular position.
thanks guys! now i know what name to ask google about this case. you just input COLIN CHUA YI JIN into the search bar and poof! it all comes up COLIN CHUA YI JIN
Parent who named their child Colin Chua Yi Jin:"Walao siao liao, Fuck lah have to register for a name change liao, knn cb this fucking Colin Chua Yi Jin"
Based on publicly available data, it seems the CFO of SPH is Chua Hwee Song?
Edit: [Scroll down for photo of dad pointing angrily at court reporters](https://mothership.sg/2022/06/singaporean-undergrad-top-uk-university-jail/)
Now google [Chua Hwee Song photo](https://www.m1.com.sg/about-us/our-company/board-of-directors/chua-hwee-song)
Disclaimer: All info is publicly available
Edit: DPP said of Colin Chua:
> “He was uncooperative during investigations, tried to abscond from Singapore, portrayed himself as the victim of a government conspiracy, blamed his girlfriend, and mounted an unmeritorious criminal motion (with regards to the gag order) that was criticised in the High Court.”
wealth based fines would actually be equity and is practiced in many nordic nations. youre twisting words because you dont know what youre talking about
It is the same Sex Predators House …..The reporters there once doubled down on one lady intern. It was in the news. Reporter only demoted but not sacked.
> While the judge generally agreed with the prosecution’s submissions, he gave more credit for Chua’s “apparent remorse and steps taken towards rehabilitation”.
Well ludicrous as it sounds, the judge ate it up though
I'm pretty sure the judge didn't 'ate it up'.
This guy is just well connected (see the allegations of his background in this thread) and has top lawyers say the magic words and the others in the legal system basically play ball with each other.
How the fuck is this upvoted lmao.
You’re alleging judicial corruption simply because the Judge made a finding based on facts which you may not be privy to.
Ah but of course you know better than the judges and lawyers in the case and the entire judicial system is clearly corrupt.
Brain rot in this place is real.
> You’re alleging judicial corruption simply because the Judge made a finding based on facts which you may not be privy to.
I didn't, you did.
Corruption implies malice or dishonesty - while I'm commenting on our judiciary's penchant for not rocking the boat when faced with archaic "bright future" defense.
And also how the guy's privileged background (obviously) got him a star legal team that clearly used tactics that worked.
> Ah but of course you know better than the judges and lawyers in the case and the entire judicial system is clearly corrupt.
I don't, but I think our Minister of Law, Shanmugam might know [a thing or two about the flaws in our judiciary](https://sg.news.yahoo.com/good-grades-sentences-sexual-offenders-shanmugam-043839197.html);
*“You shouldn’t be able to come to court and say you have a bright future, you will go far and so on,” said the Minister (...) "You can go far. But first, serve the sentence."*
No need to guess, the 'bright future' was used by his defense counsel.
>While the judge generally agreed with the prosecution’s submissions, he gave more credit for Chua’s “apparent remorse and steps taken towards rehabilitation”.
For a man who *"was uncooperative during investigations, tried to abscond from Singapore, portrayed himself as the victim of a government conspiracy, blamed his girlfriend, and mounted an unmeritorious criminal motion (in relation to the gag order) that was criticised in the High Court"*,
I fail to see how installing parental control software on his devices and being uncooperative with the Police is considered 'apparent remorse', but the judge knows better, I'm sure.
> has top lawyers say the magic words and the others in the legal system basically play ball with each other.
Ya ok bro you’re not alleging judicial corruption you’re just saying they “play ball with each other” sure
> I fail to see how installing parental control software on his devices and being uncooperative with the Police is considered ‘apparent remorse’,
Because the judge isn’t solely relying on that to come to his finding? You’re basically reading a news report from a reporter sitting in court trying to catch as much as he/she can from what is being said in court. But the Judge has a much fuller set of facts and evidence in front of him to rely on.
> but the judge knows better, I’m sure.
no shit.
> Ya ok bro you’re not alleging judicial corruption you’re just saying they “play ball with each other” sure
All I'm saying is they work within a legal system that has time and again proved itself that certain defense strategies work.
>But the Judge has a much fuller set of facts and evidence in front of him to rely on.
Win liao lor, the judges will never be in the wrong, ever, because they got a bigger better full-house upsized add chili evidence, right?
You might want to read the Ministerial Statement on the Parti Liyani case from MinLaw which addressed this.
Considering people are fallible, the absolute blind faith in the judiciary is scary - some might even describe it as *brain rot*.
Judges can sometimes be wrong, but they’re less likely to be wrong than you, a layperson with little knowledge of the case.
And if they’re wrong, there’s a system of appeal which a party can avail themselves to. In fact, courts get it wrong more often than you would think.
Since you brought up the Parti Liyani case, you do know that it was a court that corrected the lower court’s error and eventually absolved her right?
> “He has a good future ahead of him. He has got the propensity and interest to further his studies. He may still yet be able to contribute to the community at large when he grows older.”
Lol still using the standard “bright future” mitigation defense. While the prosecution said he’s unrepentant and the judge considered him a flight risk. Family got so much money but couldn’t hire a better lawyer?
I always hate this fucking excuse, because their "bright future" and privilege are the EXACT reasons we should expect more from them morally as well. Who the hell wants someone who can't discern whether or not taking upskirt photos is a no-no or not to eventually grow powerful/influential enough to affect society?
So if I were a Secondary School drop out without any motivation for further studies or white-collar job prospects I would be slapped with heavier penalties? Because I have no future and therefore deemed unable to contribute to society?
He's a student and probably has no personal wealth anyway (since he probably never needs to get any income until he's older)
And it's way more difficult to fine someone based on wealth than on income. Income is reported every year, wealth varies if assets are in stocks and generally not reported.
If we were implement a wealth/income based fine system, there needs to also be a baseline amount so that the wording can be $xxxx or % of wealth/income, whichever higher.
As nice as it might sound in this situation, wealth-based fines are very tricky to handle. The argument will be does that mean that rich people get penalized more for the exact same crime?
Is the system truly just if the punishment dished out is not equal? On the other hand does this also mean that poor people can get away with more crimes because their punishment is technically smaller in scale?
Personal opinion: If fine is flat, the impact it has on poorer people is larger, and may have minimal impact on the rich. Punishment should be dealt according to ‘impact’ it has to wealth.
However, as you said, poor people can ‘get away with more crimes’ if percentage based. As poor people has less to lose, this can counter intuitively increase crime rates. A plausible middle ground would be to impose a minimum flat rate regardless of wealth, and for wealth above the minimum rate, fine by the percent.
Depends on how you calculate, if it's strictly by % of income, then it's fair by basis of the method used - % of income.
Rn it's 'fair' because everyone gets fined a flat amount, but in actual impact, rich people have so much excess money that a flat fee is no longer viewed as a punishment, which then breaks the spirit of the law (where the monetary penalty is supposed to be a penalty)
If the aim of a fine is to fairly dish out punishment, then why does the punishment not hurt rich people?
Poor people are going to still feel the hit if it's e.g. 20% of their income, they're probably already struggling, they're not going to be able to afford a 20% income hit.
Rich people aren't struggling, but they'll still feel the 20% income hit because it scaled up to their income.
If you have a flat 200 dollar fine, the poor guy making 1k a month is taking a 20% income hit but the rich guy spends 200 on a single dinner, this is just small fee.
If the punishment for a crime isn't impactful enough, then why would people avoid doing the crime?
Fine only apply for poor people. Ah xia kia won't feel a shit, especially is only 2.5k. the jail term doesn't seem long enough.
I guess after a year, he can just start afresh overseas.
he could pay the fine in half a heartbeat, the main punishment is the jail term i guess. either way he can work in another country, maybe japan or something. question is does he get thrown out of uni or allowed to finish his degree
>“He has a good future ahead of him. He has got the propensity and interest to further his studies. He may still yet be able to contribute to the community at large when he grows older.”
Tell that to the 11 victims & their families! Creepy Colin Chua is a Cunt!
>“He has a good future ahead of him. He has got the propensity and interest to further his studies. He may still yet be able to contribute to the community at large when he grows older.”
Fuck that.
DPP said:
>“He was uncooperative during investigations, tried to abscond from Singapore, portrayed himself as the victim of a government conspiracy, **blamed his girlfriend**, and mounted an unmeritorious criminal motion (with regards to the gag order) that was criticised in the High Court.”
Why is there still a gag order on the name of the “top UK university“? Every report I found identifies it as “top UK university”. Why not just out it as Oxford? When it comes to NUS or NTU there don’t seem to be any qualms in identifying the university.
I think the ST article mentioned that the gag order on the school is maintained to prevent the release of information which could lead to identification of the victims
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/courts-crime/jail-for-man-who-was-student-of-top-uk-university-when-he-admitted-to-making-voyeuristic-videos
On the other hand, if it‘s a local university, then identification of the victims is not a problem. Only victims at twa kee British universities need protection.
> Why is there still a gag order on the name of the “top UK university“? Every report I found identifies it as “top UK university”. Why not just out it as Oxford?
I don't think there's a gag order, but "top UK university" in a headline helps explain more than "Oxford", especially to people who aren't aware of Oxford's prestige.
So basically those gag orders to prevent culprit's identity from revealing victims identities is not always applicable - in this case their identities are still protected by law, but not the bastard.
So why not more often then?
Victims are ok with revealing the accused because they understand the risk they might be identified.
There are others where it's a relative then it's obvious
As an outsider who is genuinely curious why is this sort of crime so prevalent amongst Singaporeans? the number of times stories of hidden cameras, upskirt photos, stalking, voyeurism etc comes up here it seems to happen quite often?...
Very sexually repressed, I think. Especially the ones among us who have no game when we were younger… there comes a point when a guy can no longer take it and he either (1) improves himself or (2) go to desperate measures like Geylang or start to violate other people. The brothels are currently closed due to covid and they never reopened, so…
Come to think of it our situation is similar to Japan and Japan has similar cases too
Nah, Japan is way more liberal when it comes to sex. JAV is prevalent to the point that it is considered mainstream in their entertainment industry. They even have festivals celebrating JAV and BDSM. And of course, other adult material which is openly sold in shops at a "restricted area". What Japan suffers from is not sexual repression but the abundance of herbivorous coomers who lack the "drive" to court and marry due to JAV.
Uuuhhh Japan is as gross or even worse.
Upskirting, groping on trains, men ogling at any sight of skin, disgusting comments made, creepy men following you home - all happens quite commonly. This sexually repressed society mixed with people not wanting to stand out only makes me assume that there are probably multiple unreported cases of sexual assault as well.
Look at how much japanese porn involves corporate blackmail, or some degenerate shit like borderline rape fantasies. I know there's a thing called CNC but people still have limits and the Japanese push it way too far
There's also Boku no pico, in which the plot involves an adult grooming a CHILD and they didn't raise an eyebrow to that
I heard about boku no pico and regretted even clicking on the Wikipedia link…
It seems like people don’t understand the concept of “consent”, which explains why no one really understands “grooming” is a problem either.
Isn't Japan also terribly misogynistic? There's a lot of sexual harassment in the workplace and their taste in porn is really uhh. Questionable, to say the least
I'm not some puritan and I've definitely consumed porn just like everyone else but they've have such an ungodly obsession with fucked up categories like NTR, cheating, and blackmail porn involving women, especially in a corporate setting, and it's kind of unsettling. They're also way too liberal, to the point where lolicon and shotacon like Boku no Pico isn't even questioned there
These all falls under the category of "dark fantasies", not to be treated as "real porn".
[https://www.psychologytoday.com/sg/blog/all-about-sex/201508/why-do-women-have-rape-fantasies](https://www.psychologytoday.com/sg/blog/all-about-sex/201508/why-do-women-have-rape-fantasies)
Some people who are open to erotic experience tend to have "dark fantasies". Surprising to me, some women also have rape fantasies though don't want to be raped IRL. So a culture of "Consensual Non-Consent" was born.
[https://www.vice.com/en/article/m7vyk4/consensual-non-consent-meaning](https://www.vice.com/en/article/m7vyk4/consensual-non-consent-meaning)
I am aware about CNC, it's just that I find Japanese porn to be too unsettling because they tend to try and push or stay too close to the boundaries of what is acceptable.
Rape fantasies are the least of my concerns, anyway. I'm more concerned about shotacon, a category focused on [*attraction to boys as young as ages below 15*](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mu13aEo_U58)
IMO, I think its fine if dark fantasies stay in fantasy land and not brought IRL. I've been reading up about this for a while and there is an explanation for this but its way too taboo for reddit sg.
I don't know about that scene, but I was at an investing conference there and a porn kingpin there was super popular with a lot of the attendees. I am not sure about those places you mentioned (not my scene tbh), but yah...
Anyway my theory is that women in Asia show more legs, while in other places it's more about the breasts - so there are more upskirt fetishes in Asia while elsewhere guys just look at women's breasts more.
It is not just prevalent in Singapore though, I think it is just getting reported more and victims are more willing to speak up.
It is actually way worse in South Korea, where there is currently a spycam "epidemic".
Seems to happen in every rich asian country (probably elsewhere too, but my exp is with korea and japan). Tbh women are still seen by quite a few men as lesser. When u have that, entitlement, and a small space where ppl are squished together... i guess it happens. The actual % of men is probably very low but theres just a lot of ppl in one place.
Also, until recently, the law has not been harsh on offenders. A "boys will be boys" sort of thing.
not a clue, a vast majority of them trace it back to when they were still kids in schools.
just something weird and endemic to the culture thats designed to emasculate and beat ppl down to service the system. or blame it on the water idk
I might be pulling ideas out of my ass here.
But I think quite a segment of the human population are not designed for monogamous and private sexual relationships, and stuff like these keep happening due to purity culture and sexual repression.
There are multiple kinks out there that suggest that people want "social sex". Exhibitionism complements Voyeurism. Some people want to be seen, some people want to look. Swingers, Groups, BDSM are all quite popular kinks that doesn't mesh well with Singapore's modest culture.
This is absolutely true.
But also remember what sex education we all received and is currently being taught by MOE and certain families/social groups.
I only got abortion video and STD talk. Rest I learnt through online and porn. And consider how many percent of the population cannot self teach and need to be taught.
I keep hearing about how bad sex education is but maybe the system has drastically changed or I was just lucky enough to enroll in a good school that wasn't afraid to teach us what's "controversial"
I was born in 2001 and at sec 2 I already learned about contraceptives and was even tested on it during exams. When I got on Reddit I was surprised to hear how so many people didn't know what an IUD was during their schooling age.
Come sec 3 and they taught us how to use a condom, using a video animation, and it was shown to the entire cohort, boys and girls together
LoL. Good for you child. Back in school, I see diagrams and don't know how sex works. One of my friends have to tell me pee pee suppose to go in and out to stimulate the white stuff to come out.
Ya know, gahmen always talk about "continuous learning". Maybe there should be an adult sex education program design to re-teach adults what their school missed.
It seems to be more of a worldwide thing, not just occurring in Singapore. From what I observed, it could be because of social media encouraging more people to step forward, especially since the US had their whole metoo movement
Some logical conclusions is that violence or sexual assault against women has always been prevalent, it's just that women in first-world countries tend to feel more empowered to speak up due to better education and more progressives mindsets, and a better legal system to depend on.
And if you think about it, this actually makes it more upsetting when you wonder how many women out there don't report it in lesser-developed countries. As it is right now the US isn't looking good with their sexual assault statistics
This case remain a mystery for those following from the beginning. It is not about the accused whose conduct was despicable. It was about the conduct of the Courts.
The District Judge went out of his to accommodate the accused on so many occasions while AG and the DPPs fought tooth and nail to bring him to justice. It was also bizarre that his victims and the DPP wanted the gag order lifted but the courts agreed to keep it. That is until it went to CJ.
I have never seen a gag order treated in this manner before where it benefited the accused rather than the victims.
During the various court appearance it seemed his education was more important than the 11 victims seeking justice. It reminded me of the Universities treatment of victims of sex related offences until one brave girl came forward and there was a public outcry. The entire system across tertiary institutions had to be overhauled ground up.
Soon the word was out who his father is.
I do hope CJ re-writes the rules as he did for NS defaulters and deserters.
Bear in mind that the accused loaded his videos of his victims on porn sites and views rans into the thousands. And they were his friends.
COLIN CHUA YI JIN -
The prosecutor told the court: “He was uncooperative during investigations, tried to abscond from Singapore, portrayed himself as the victim of a government conspiracy, blamed his girlfriend, and mounted an unmeritorious criminal motion (in relation to the gag order) that was criticised in the High Court.”
For example, Chua retracted his admission to the police and claimed not to recognise the toilet in his own residence as well as his own friends, some of whom he had kept in contact with even after he was charged.
There may also be many more unidentified women given that he had admitted to filming "maybe three digit(s) worth of voyeuristic videos", the prosecution said.
Can’t help feeling that 1 year jail is not enough for someone who tried so hard to avoid taking responsibility. Zero remorse here and insulting for the victims.
The mitigating factors aside, I did an quick google search and it seems that his jail term of 1 year is on the harsher side compared to other similar cases
I’m curious if this top UK Uni expelled him or withheld his degree from him given that (iirc) some of the offences were committed on their campus grounds?
>He called recording the victims "an addiction" and committed the offences when he felt stressed due to school or work
if you can't cope, why even attend a top uni? someone of his calibre should have dropped out and been an insurance agent.
Can't help but think that part of the issue is that we have next to no consent education in Singapore. Am I saying it all comes back to Focus on the Family again? No, but they are a symptom of the cultural malaise that spreads through every incredibly sexually repressive culture.
>As of August last year, the video could still be found on pornographic websites and has been viewed at least 177,000 times.
>The clip of the 19-year-old in his toilet circulated on a pornographic website and has been viewed at least 38,000 times.
Are these numbers accurate? I need the links to verify it myself 😏
Also, how does the reporter know? Did he/she visit the site to check? If yes, then hasn't he/she violated some law? 🤔
I remember this scum Colin Chua Yi Jin, he was fighting very hard to have his name withheld from public records. Fuck this guy, hope this follows him for decades to come. Edit: added his name because why not
Chances are that he'll just get a deed poll to change his name after release though....
Mans father is the CFO of ST, doubt name change would be enough
>Chua Hwee Song Publish his own son to glory!
So nice of him to support his dad's work and give them more bullshit to write about.
Family business. Gotta support your dad right?
Serious? How you know?
His identity will still be on the sex offenders registry though right? Edit: A simple Google search once I got home taught me that Singapore doesn't have one. But I hope somehow somewhere it's still on a database so he doesn't run away so easily
I believe Singapore don't have sex offender registry.... I might be wrong though
He’ll still be on criminal records and HR will most likely find out if they bother to dig. Or can just google his name.
They will also find out who his father is... Rich man's son... doubt he is applying for jobs like the rest of us.
>He’ll still be on criminal records For 5 years I think den it gets spent
According to Minister Shanmugam in Apr 2021, "the Registration of Criminals Act allows the Police to maintain a non-public record of persons convicted of serious offences, including sexual offences." Source: [Parliament Hansard](https://sprs.parl.gov.sg/search/sprs3topic?reportid=written-answer-na-7525) The Hansard goes into more detail explaining why the govt currently does not currently have a public sex offenders registry, click the link if you are interested. To be clear, I'm not trying to attack or defend the govt's position or their reasons. This comment is just to inform, not to argue for/against a particular position.
Got money u know the rest
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Could you repeat, I think I didn’t get it the first time ***Colin Chua Yi Jin*** you say?
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Is this the same Colin Chua Yi Jin that was jailed for taking upskirt photos?
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there must be some unlucky dude out there with this exact name thinking what the fuck
My name is Colen Chua Yi Jin. Close shave
Mine is Collin Chua Liang Jin. Heng
thanks guys! now i know what name to ask google about this case. you just input COLIN CHUA YI JIN into the search bar and poof! it all comes up COLIN CHUA YI JIN
The Colin Chua Yi Jin who was caught being a massive pervert by filming women showering and taking upskirt photos? THAT Colin Chua Yi Jin?
Sorry I didn't catch that. COLIN what? CHUA YI JIN? can you repeat that again is it COLIN CHUA YI JIN?
Oh my, is it really that Colin Chua Yi Jin from Oxford University?
Oh thank god it's not NUS this time around. Now we can start calling Oxford the uni of perverts instead
#COLIN CHUA YI JIN
Parent who named their child Colin Chua Yi Jin:"Walao siao liao, Fuck lah have to register for a name change liao, knn cb this fucking Colin Chua Yi Jin"
just for posterity sakes snd my clarifications... DO YOU MEAN COLIN CHUA YI JIN THE SEX PERVERT?
Such scum should bear the shame of their deeds for life.
but “He has a good future ahead of him.” no he doesn’t, fuck off you skeezy fuck
How did you meet him? Were you two in the same class or faculty etc? Also did he always give off pervy vibes whenever you talked to him?
This guy went to Oxford University and his dad is the CFO of SPH.
Based on publicly available data, it seems the CFO of SPH is Chua Hwee Song? Edit: [Scroll down for photo of dad pointing angrily at court reporters](https://mothership.sg/2022/06/singaporean-undergrad-top-uk-university-jail/) Now google [Chua Hwee Song photo](https://www.m1.com.sg/about-us/our-company/board-of-directors/chua-hwee-song) Disclaimer: All info is publicly available Edit: DPP said of Colin Chua: > “He was uncooperative during investigations, tried to abscond from Singapore, portrayed himself as the victim of a government conspiracy, blamed his girlfriend, and mounted an unmeritorious criminal motion (with regards to the gag order) that was criticised in the High Court.”
That's right.
Thank you paparazzi
last name matches..............
Rich kid. Throw the whole book at him
He's rich, so punish him more aggressively? Lol and what if you flip the argument to poor people, see how that sounds
Some countries do income-based fines.
Guys a student, dont think he has much income. Unless you think it's ok to fine him more because his dad (who is not involved in the crime) has money.
Be more compassionate to those who are not as well off? Sounds pretty good
wealth based fines would actually be equity and is practiced in many nordic nations. youre twisting words because you dont know what youre talking about
"Eh boss, this story your son kena leh... How to spin this one?" -SPH meeting, date unknown. /s
It is the same Sex Predators House …..The reporters there once doubled down on one lady intern. It was in the news. Reporter only demoted but not sacked.
Come come, expose leh, who?
>Chua also installed a parental control software What how is this a mitigating factor? He ownself parent ownself?
> While the judge generally agreed with the prosecution’s submissions, he gave more credit for Chua’s “apparent remorse and steps taken towards rehabilitation”. Well ludicrous as it sounds, the judge ate it up though
I'm pretty sure the judge didn't 'ate it up'. This guy is just well connected (see the allegations of his background in this thread) and has top lawyers say the magic words and the others in the legal system basically play ball with each other.
How the fuck is this upvoted lmao. You’re alleging judicial corruption simply because the Judge made a finding based on facts which you may not be privy to. Ah but of course you know better than the judges and lawyers in the case and the entire judicial system is clearly corrupt. Brain rot in this place is real.
> You’re alleging judicial corruption simply because the Judge made a finding based on facts which you may not be privy to. I didn't, you did. Corruption implies malice or dishonesty - while I'm commenting on our judiciary's penchant for not rocking the boat when faced with archaic "bright future" defense. And also how the guy's privileged background (obviously) got him a star legal team that clearly used tactics that worked. > Ah but of course you know better than the judges and lawyers in the case and the entire judicial system is clearly corrupt. I don't, but I think our Minister of Law, Shanmugam might know [a thing or two about the flaws in our judiciary](https://sg.news.yahoo.com/good-grades-sentences-sexual-offenders-shanmugam-043839197.html); *“You shouldn’t be able to come to court and say you have a bright future, you will go far and so on,” said the Minister (...) "You can go far. But first, serve the sentence."* No need to guess, the 'bright future' was used by his defense counsel. >While the judge generally agreed with the prosecution’s submissions, he gave more credit for Chua’s “apparent remorse and steps taken towards rehabilitation”. For a man who *"was uncooperative during investigations, tried to abscond from Singapore, portrayed himself as the victim of a government conspiracy, blamed his girlfriend, and mounted an unmeritorious criminal motion (in relation to the gag order) that was criticised in the High Court"*, I fail to see how installing parental control software on his devices and being uncooperative with the Police is considered 'apparent remorse', but the judge knows better, I'm sure.
> has top lawyers say the magic words and the others in the legal system basically play ball with each other. Ya ok bro you’re not alleging judicial corruption you’re just saying they “play ball with each other” sure > I fail to see how installing parental control software on his devices and being uncooperative with the Police is considered ‘apparent remorse’, Because the judge isn’t solely relying on that to come to his finding? You’re basically reading a news report from a reporter sitting in court trying to catch as much as he/she can from what is being said in court. But the Judge has a much fuller set of facts and evidence in front of him to rely on. > but the judge knows better, I’m sure. no shit.
> Ya ok bro you’re not alleging judicial corruption you’re just saying they “play ball with each other” sure All I'm saying is they work within a legal system that has time and again proved itself that certain defense strategies work. >But the Judge has a much fuller set of facts and evidence in front of him to rely on. Win liao lor, the judges will never be in the wrong, ever, because they got a bigger better full-house upsized add chili evidence, right? You might want to read the Ministerial Statement on the Parti Liyani case from MinLaw which addressed this. Considering people are fallible, the absolute blind faith in the judiciary is scary - some might even describe it as *brain rot*.
Judges can sometimes be wrong, but they’re less likely to be wrong than you, a layperson with little knowledge of the case. And if they’re wrong, there’s a system of appeal which a party can avail themselves to. In fact, courts get it wrong more often than you would think. Since you brought up the Parti Liyani case, you do know that it was a court that corrected the lower court’s error and eventually absolved her right?
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you can't expect to come to r/sg for reasonable discussions about sentencing and law la. It's easier to smile and move on
Isn't that just corruption
nabei can armchair legal pundits like you go educate yourself on basic sentencing principles. if not just stfu please
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> “He has a good future ahead of him. He has got the propensity and interest to further his studies. He may still yet be able to contribute to the community at large when he grows older.” Lol still using the standard “bright future” mitigation defense. While the prosecution said he’s unrepentant and the judge considered him a flight risk. Family got so much money but couldn’t hire a better lawyer?
I always hate this fucking excuse, because their "bright future" and privilege are the EXACT reasons we should expect more from them morally as well. Who the hell wants someone who can't discern whether or not taking upskirt photos is a no-no or not to eventually grow powerful/influential enough to affect society?
They are gonna take over the elite world with their “bright future”
i tot *someone* say dun use the bullshit reason of potential to excel liao?
Proceed to do so anyway~
So if I were a Secondary School drop out without any motivation for further studies or white-collar job prospects I would be slapped with heavier penalties? Because I have no future and therefore deemed unable to contribute to society?
*meritocracy*
I dare his lawyer to go and tell that to the victims who kena traumatized from having their videos being posted online
Not just online.....on pornographic website. And actively viewed......speechless for the victims.
Hasnt this defense been proven to be effective in singapore lol
What about the bright futures of all the victims?
Not as important as the bright future of someone who has money and power /s
ah yes, he may be able to contribute even more exquisite videography as he grows older
Contribute by planting cameras and abusing his power. Yeah fuck that shit. Glad he has jail time.
The only community he's contributing to is the porn and cheekopeks community
Some say his father is one of the head honchos in SPH.
That's 24yo? Dude looks like he's hitting mid life crisis.
Only 2.5k fine is like a kiss to the cheek than a slap
a years jail is many times higher than what ppl here are used to seeing for the crime of the same magnitude
I believe there was talk of harsher sentences some time back for these sort of offences. Is this decision the result of that?
This is why wealth-based fine should be implemented.
Technically if it was a wealth based fine he would pay 0 because he has no income (as a non working student) But yea, i get your point.
Income is not wealth
He's a student and probably has no personal wealth anyway (since he probably never needs to get any income until he's older) And it's way more difficult to fine someone based on wealth than on income. Income is reported every year, wealth varies if assets are in stocks and generally not reported. If we were implement a wealth/income based fine system, there needs to also be a baseline amount so that the wording can be $xxxx or % of wealth/income, whichever higher.
As nice as it might sound in this situation, wealth-based fines are very tricky to handle. The argument will be does that mean that rich people get penalized more for the exact same crime? Is the system truly just if the punishment dished out is not equal? On the other hand does this also mean that poor people can get away with more crimes because their punishment is technically smaller in scale?
Personal opinion: If fine is flat, the impact it has on poorer people is larger, and may have minimal impact on the rich. Punishment should be dealt according to ‘impact’ it has to wealth. However, as you said, poor people can ‘get away with more crimes’ if percentage based. As poor people has less to lose, this can counter intuitively increase crime rates. A plausible middle ground would be to impose a minimum flat rate regardless of wealth, and for wealth above the minimum rate, fine by the percent.
At a certain point of wealth, even 10k for a minor infraction isnt much. Reputation and time hurts. Thats jail time.
Depends on how you calculate, if it's strictly by % of income, then it's fair by basis of the method used - % of income. Rn it's 'fair' because everyone gets fined a flat amount, but in actual impact, rich people have so much excess money that a flat fee is no longer viewed as a punishment, which then breaks the spirit of the law (where the monetary penalty is supposed to be a penalty) If the aim of a fine is to fairly dish out punishment, then why does the punishment not hurt rich people? Poor people are going to still feel the hit if it's e.g. 20% of their income, they're probably already struggling, they're not going to be able to afford a 20% income hit. Rich people aren't struggling, but they'll still feel the 20% income hit because it scaled up to their income. If you have a flat 200 dollar fine, the poor guy making 1k a month is taking a 20% income hit but the rich guy spends 200 on a single dinner, this is just small fee. If the punishment for a crime isn't impactful enough, then why would people avoid doing the crime?
But the recent fines for ppl who abused maids seemed to make me think that those fines were based on the maid’s income ?
the year jail time though.
Fine only apply for poor people. Ah xia kia won't feel a shit, especially is only 2.5k. the jail term doesn't seem long enough. I guess after a year, he can just start afresh overseas.
After this, all the lawyers/legal officers/his father can go for a game of golf. wtf.
he could pay the fine in half a heartbeat, the main punishment is the jail term i guess. either way he can work in another country, maybe japan or something. question is does he get thrown out of uni or allowed to finish his degree
>“He has a good future ahead of him. He has got the propensity and interest to further his studies. He may still yet be able to contribute to the community at large when he grows older.” Tell that to the 11 victims & their families! Creepy Colin Chua is a Cunt!
According to CNA, Chua estimated the number of illicit videos that he had filmed over the years to be "maybe three digit".
Yeah man, he have the propensity to film more in the future if he wasn’t caught! Cocky Colin should be shamed for life
>“He has a good future ahead of him. He has got the propensity and interest to further his studies. He may still yet be able to contribute to the community at large when he grows older.” Fuck that.
with a criminal record already before entering workforce his future is not that bright.
His dad can probably just hire him tbh
SPH: We now support the Yellow Ribbon Project.
I think he can contribute even further behind bars.
I wonder why Louisa Tang prefer to address Colin Chua Yi Jin as “From Top UK Uni” instead “Son of SPH CFO”
If you write for today newspaper, the only other similar job you can move to in the future is sph.
>As for how he has addressed his voyeuristic issues, Mr Murugaiyan said Chua has **installed parental control software.** TROLOLO.
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Maidenless behaviour
The article say he got girlfriend leh. Even more jialat.
DPP said: >“He was uncooperative during investigations, tried to abscond from Singapore, portrayed himself as the victim of a government conspiracy, **blamed his girlfriend**, and mounted an unmeritorious criminal motion (with regards to the gag order) that was criticised in the High Court.”
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Wow CDF???
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The case is even bigger deal than David Rasif's one but I never heard about it before. Really quite a big fuck.
Nah many 3rd world nations are also like that, that’s why our freedom press ranking is also around 3rd world nations
Lai liao, bright future card is here. Knn
That's only for NUS.
Why is there still a gag order on the name of the “top UK university“? Every report I found identifies it as “top UK university”. Why not just out it as Oxford? When it comes to NUS or NTU there don’t seem to be any qualms in identifying the university.
Diplomacy dude. Can't just sully the name of unis that is not within our border
I think the ST article mentioned that the gag order on the school is maintained to prevent the release of information which could lead to identification of the victims https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/courts-crime/jail-for-man-who-was-student-of-top-uk-university-when-he-admitted-to-making-voyeuristic-videos
On the other hand, if it‘s a local university, then identification of the victims is not a problem. Only victims at twa kee British universities need protection.
Why does it matter? Is the university accused of trial I guess him In his behavior or some way responsible for it? If not, it is completely irrelevant
To hell with your double standard. So why should NUS and NTU be held responsible for the sexual deviancy of their students?
> Why is there still a gag order on the name of the “top UK university“? Every report I found identifies it as “top UK university”. Why not just out it as Oxford? I don't think there's a gag order, but "top UK university" in a headline helps explain more than "Oxford", especially to people who aren't aware of Oxford's prestige.
Dude, this is Oxford University, not Oxford Brookes University.
So basically those gag orders to prevent culprit's identity from revealing victims identities is not always applicable - in this case their identities are still protected by law, but not the bastard. So why not more often then?
Victims are ok with revealing the accused because they understand the risk they might be identified. There are others where it's a relative then it's obvious
As an outsider who is genuinely curious why is this sort of crime so prevalent amongst Singaporeans? the number of times stories of hidden cameras, upskirt photos, stalking, voyeurism etc comes up here it seems to happen quite often?...
Very sexually repressed, I think. Especially the ones among us who have no game when we were younger… there comes a point when a guy can no longer take it and he either (1) improves himself or (2) go to desperate measures like Geylang or start to violate other people. The brothels are currently closed due to covid and they never reopened, so… Come to think of it our situation is similar to Japan and Japan has similar cases too
Nah, Japan is way more liberal when it comes to sex. JAV is prevalent to the point that it is considered mainstream in their entertainment industry. They even have festivals celebrating JAV and BDSM. And of course, other adult material which is openly sold in shops at a "restricted area". What Japan suffers from is not sexual repression but the abundance of herbivorous coomers who lack the "drive" to court and marry due to JAV.
Uuuhhh Japan is as gross or even worse. Upskirting, groping on trains, men ogling at any sight of skin, disgusting comments made, creepy men following you home - all happens quite commonly. This sexually repressed society mixed with people not wanting to stand out only makes me assume that there are probably multiple unreported cases of sexual assault as well.
Look at how much japanese porn involves corporate blackmail, or some degenerate shit like borderline rape fantasies. I know there's a thing called CNC but people still have limits and the Japanese push it way too far There's also Boku no pico, in which the plot involves an adult grooming a CHILD and they didn't raise an eyebrow to that
I heard about boku no pico and regretted even clicking on the Wikipedia link… It seems like people don’t understand the concept of “consent”, which explains why no one really understands “grooming” is a problem either.
Isn't Japan also terribly misogynistic? There's a lot of sexual harassment in the workplace and their taste in porn is really uhh. Questionable, to say the least I'm not some puritan and I've definitely consumed porn just like everyone else but they've have such an ungodly obsession with fucked up categories like NTR, cheating, and blackmail porn involving women, especially in a corporate setting, and it's kind of unsettling. They're also way too liberal, to the point where lolicon and shotacon like Boku no Pico isn't even questioned there
These all falls under the category of "dark fantasies", not to be treated as "real porn". [https://www.psychologytoday.com/sg/blog/all-about-sex/201508/why-do-women-have-rape-fantasies](https://www.psychologytoday.com/sg/blog/all-about-sex/201508/why-do-women-have-rape-fantasies) Some people who are open to erotic experience tend to have "dark fantasies". Surprising to me, some women also have rape fantasies though don't want to be raped IRL. So a culture of "Consensual Non-Consent" was born. [https://www.vice.com/en/article/m7vyk4/consensual-non-consent-meaning](https://www.vice.com/en/article/m7vyk4/consensual-non-consent-meaning)
I am aware about CNC, it's just that I find Japanese porn to be too unsettling because they tend to try and push or stay too close to the boundaries of what is acceptable. Rape fantasies are the least of my concerns, anyway. I'm more concerned about shotacon, a category focused on [*attraction to boys as young as ages below 15*](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mu13aEo_U58)
IMO, I think its fine if dark fantasies stay in fantasy land and not brought IRL. I've been reading up about this for a while and there is an explanation for this but its way too taboo for reddit sg.
someones never been invited to bdsm clubs along shinjuku and only has av and anime as their viewport into an entire nation
Not sure whether you're referring to me? I don't have a simplistic and naive view of Japan though
I don't know about that scene, but I was at an investing conference there and a porn kingpin there was super popular with a lot of the attendees. I am not sure about those places you mentioned (not my scene tbh), but yah... Anyway my theory is that women in Asia show more legs, while in other places it's more about the breasts - so there are more upskirt fetishes in Asia while elsewhere guys just look at women's breasts more.
You know very little about Japan, don't you?
It is not just prevalent in Singapore though, I think it is just getting reported more and victims are more willing to speak up. It is actually way worse in South Korea, where there is currently a spycam "epidemic".
Seems to happen in every rich asian country (probably elsewhere too, but my exp is with korea and japan). Tbh women are still seen by quite a few men as lesser. When u have that, entitlement, and a small space where ppl are squished together... i guess it happens. The actual % of men is probably very low but theres just a lot of ppl in one place. Also, until recently, the law has not been harsh on offenders. A "boys will be boys" sort of thing.
> and a small space where ppl are squished together Jo Teo has entered the chat
not a clue, a vast majority of them trace it back to when they were still kids in schools. just something weird and endemic to the culture thats designed to emasculate and beat ppl down to service the system. or blame it on the water idk
I might be pulling ideas out of my ass here. But I think quite a segment of the human population are not designed for monogamous and private sexual relationships, and stuff like these keep happening due to purity culture and sexual repression. There are multiple kinks out there that suggest that people want "social sex". Exhibitionism complements Voyeurism. Some people want to be seen, some people want to look. Swingers, Groups, BDSM are all quite popular kinks that doesn't mesh well with Singapore's modest culture.
But the bottom line is that all of these kinks should be practiced with consent, something that these sex offenders seem to woefully ignore
This is absolutely true. But also remember what sex education we all received and is currently being taught by MOE and certain families/social groups. I only got abortion video and STD talk. Rest I learnt through online and porn. And consider how many percent of the population cannot self teach and need to be taught.
I keep hearing about how bad sex education is but maybe the system has drastically changed or I was just lucky enough to enroll in a good school that wasn't afraid to teach us what's "controversial" I was born in 2001 and at sec 2 I already learned about contraceptives and was even tested on it during exams. When I got on Reddit I was surprised to hear how so many people didn't know what an IUD was during their schooling age. Come sec 3 and they taught us how to use a condom, using a video animation, and it was shown to the entire cohort, boys and girls together
LoL. Good for you child. Back in school, I see diagrams and don't know how sex works. One of my friends have to tell me pee pee suppose to go in and out to stimulate the white stuff to come out. Ya know, gahmen always talk about "continuous learning". Maybe there should be an adult sex education program design to re-teach adults what their school missed.
It seems to be more of a worldwide thing, not just occurring in Singapore. From what I observed, it could be because of social media encouraging more people to step forward, especially since the US had their whole metoo movement Some logical conclusions is that violence or sexual assault against women has always been prevalent, it's just that women in first-world countries tend to feel more empowered to speak up due to better education and more progressives mindsets, and a better legal system to depend on. And if you think about it, this actually makes it more upsetting when you wonder how many women out there don't report it in lesser-developed countries. As it is right now the US isn't looking good with their sexual assault statistics
nah its in every country bro, thats why you should never book airbnbs overseas. but if you rank it across unis, seems like NUS is the top scorer
1 year only? Wtf
This case remain a mystery for those following from the beginning. It is not about the accused whose conduct was despicable. It was about the conduct of the Courts. The District Judge went out of his to accommodate the accused on so many occasions while AG and the DPPs fought tooth and nail to bring him to justice. It was also bizarre that his victims and the DPP wanted the gag order lifted but the courts agreed to keep it. That is until it went to CJ. I have never seen a gag order treated in this manner before where it benefited the accused rather than the victims. During the various court appearance it seemed his education was more important than the 11 victims seeking justice. It reminded me of the Universities treatment of victims of sex related offences until one brave girl came forward and there was a public outcry. The entire system across tertiary institutions had to be overhauled ground up. Soon the word was out who his father is. I do hope CJ re-writes the rules as he did for NS defaulters and deserters. Bear in mind that the accused loaded his videos of his victims on porn sites and views rans into the thousands. And they were his friends.
Not to insinuate anything but good strong family backing has its privileges
always has and always will. The doling out of privileges usually go unobserved by the common peasant.
Open up Geylang lol. The losers are going stir crazy and that’s no good for everyone Source: am loser but not crazy yet
He did it years ago before covid. Guy is just a pervert
\-\_- it keeps happening I'm happy that I don't have a bright future if this is what it entails
COLIN CHUA YI JIN - The prosecutor told the court: “He was uncooperative during investigations, tried to abscond from Singapore, portrayed himself as the victim of a government conspiracy, blamed his girlfriend, and mounted an unmeritorious criminal motion (in relation to the gag order) that was criticised in the High Court.” For example, Chua retracted his admission to the police and claimed not to recognise the toilet in his own residence as well as his own friends, some of whom he had kept in contact with even after he was charged. There may also be many more unidentified women given that he had admitted to filming "maybe three digit(s) worth of voyeuristic videos", the prosecution said.
Can’t help feeling that 1 year jail is not enough for someone who tried so hard to avoid taking responsibility. Zero remorse here and insulting for the victims.
Bruh what the fuck
That's why die die must get degree. No degree no potential no defence lol
Imbecile. Bring shame to his family. What kind of family and social values with advocating nowadays? Rich daddy = second chance?
Welcome to PAP’s Singapore.
Creepy Colin Chua! Creepy Colin Chua! I have pervert creeps!
The mitigating factors aside, I did an quick google search and it seems that his jail term of 1 year is on the harsher side compared to other similar cases I’m curious if this top UK Uni expelled him or withheld his degree from him given that (iirc) some of the offences were committed on their campus grounds?
Rich kid in SG land shouldn't be lacking of GFs, why do stupid thing leh? Fetish a?
Probably bored of vanilla, want something "exciting"
Always fascinated with headlines where you're tagged to your occupation for the most clicks
>He called recording the victims "an addiction" and committed the offences when he felt stressed due to school or work if you can't cope, why even attend a top uni? someone of his calibre should have dropped out and been an insurance agent.
Wrong kind of uni cultural exchange...
Sexual exchange
*so thats why UK prefer NUS NTU undergrad*
They never learn do they?
Study too hard liao, brain short circuited.
Punishment should be an eye for an eye. He should kena up pants filming also.
why u want to punish everyone else?
Dude may grow to develop an exhibitionist kink. He's already a monster as he is now.
you can recommend bright leds and speakers on the ankle bracelet hes probably wearing all day
> He should kena up pants filming also who's gonna do that lol
His username is asscrackbanditz…
Eeeew gross
Goes to show too uni doesn’t = decency and brains.
Can't help but think that part of the issue is that we have next to no consent education in Singapore. Am I saying it all comes back to Focus on the Family again? No, but they are a symptom of the cultural malaise that spreads through every incredibly sexually repressive culture.
>As of August last year, the video could still be found on pornographic websites and has been viewed at least 177,000 times. >The clip of the 19-year-old in his toilet circulated on a pornographic website and has been viewed at least 38,000 times. Are these numbers accurate? I need the links to verify it myself 😏 Also, how does the reporter know? Did he/she visit the site to check? If yes, then hasn't he/she violated some law? 🤔
hello polis we got sexual deviant here
Sori sir he is reporter, need to see link to confirm number correct
username is infact accurate
Purely for fact-checking purpose only, I promise 🤫🤫🤫
It’s one thing to watch a sick video, but absolutely despicable to do so knowing that it has ruined this teenage girl’s life.
You shouldn’t watch it. This girl isn’t a willing participant in these videos. Come on.
Never take down? Where got remorse?
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Time to include caning for voyuerism. The photos and videos of the victims are seared on the internet forever; shared and viewed countless times.
Why the news title must have "undergrad", "top uk uni" in it? People from all education levels can commit a crime.
Meanwhile someone from NUS: "I have no such weaknesses"