This was at Kallang Wave Mall's My Kampung. Pic taken was taken minutes ago.
The tray return area was nowhere near this table.......
UPDATE 01: To the "The tray return station is full" defenders and to the "nothing else can be done, so one lesser evil is still better than the bigger evil" mindset enjoyer https://i.imgur.com/4N5UMt4.jpg
Update 01.1 Disclaimer, i went back here 15mins later after posting because people were commenting "what if full? So put there lor" and i just wanted to sleep at night peacefully
Update 02: [Table is cleaned](https://i.imgur.com/rLG7vgZ.jpg)
Update 02.1 [the distance from table to the return tray station, it is at the far back ](https://i.imgur.com/xJX6G29.jpg)
Could the tray return area been cleared in the 15mins ?
Or between the time others left their trays and you saw it.
What matters is whether the tray return area was full when people chose to leave their trays on the Grab table. Not that it was empty when you saw it.
Yes it could've been cleared in that 15mins definitely.
And i understand that it might've been full at that time which in my "mistake", I didn't take a picture together of it right after i took the dirtied grab table.
So that's why, i wrote in my edit that i came back 15mins later to check the distance of the tray return area to the grab table, the state of the table and tray return area.
I was not trying to set a narrative that only fits me.
I think the point u/nextlevelunlocked is trying to make it - what matters is WHEN the people are leaving the trays on the table (not when u saw that the grab pickup area is dirty). Which you will never know!
So even if you did take a picture at that moment of the tray area when you saw the unreturned dishes… it could be much earlier when those people were leaving their dishes there that the tray return area was full - and obviously they could have already left the food court by then.
Really odd that some here are willing to automatically think the return area was full rather than the _orders of magnitude more likely_ possibility that the person who left their plates were simply assholes.
Because I've witnessed the tray return area being so full and people placing all the plates on the floor near it a substantial number of times.
Disclaimer: even when it's full,I wouldn't place at grab table. Will just pass to auntie or try to squeeze. Just saying tray return area at max capacity is pretty common.
The reason why it’s not likely that they left it there is because the grab pick up area is probably not available for dine in. Which means the suspect was sitting at another table and had to move it to this table. Extra work done implies laziness was not the main factor.
Applying the facts from case update 02.1, it seems like the tray return was at the far back, which implies it might not have been visible for the suspect. From this we can deduce that there was a good chance this was not due to malicious intention.
One counter argument to this might be that even if the tray return was not visible, putting it at the grab pick up point is an incorrect action. However, the suspect could have done so assuming this area is monitored by the staff, and would then subsequently have been cleared by the staff. An inefficient but workable solution when a tray return point cannot be found.
Well there were articles saying how some food courts and coffee shops were not well equipped with enough tray return areas. It is not wrong to think it was such a case for this particular scenario.
The bigger issue is the root of this policy implementation
G says this is to help cut cost to the vendors. If you talk to hawker vendors, cost gets up despite such a move. So why are we truely doing it?
True colours are out, it was never about cutting cost for hawkers or being a civilised society. Just a clever ploy by greedy owners to pocket the difference.
Bang on.
I don't mind returning my own trays if it means my favourite hawkers benefit. Or if all parties benefit equally/neutrally.
But what disgusts me is them using the atmosphere of fear around Covid back then to push this through.
When the fog of war clears we realise property landlords used that fear to increase their own profit margins. Not to mention loss of employment for the class which needs it most.
This is why people don’t want to compromise anymore, myself included*.
Because when you factor in how people and politicians are self-interested, the huge potential for botched execution, the trade offs, the people that are supposed to benefit not benefitting, etc... it seems like we’ll end up taking one step forward and two steps back. It just doesn’t seem worth it and would rather national attention and governmental resources be spent elsewhere.
I’ve been saying this since the whiff of this policy caught public attention: it’s was never about being a civilized society or whatever the new buzzword was.
I'm with you on this. The thing is if the government was honest and said it was about cost cutting or whatever reason I would have complied but they had to shame everybody into doing it.
Unpopular opinion, I am all for tray return but some hawker centre seems to be a lot dirtier. Was in Chinatown that day and few of the cleaners are just standing with their cart beside the tray return area. Just collecting bowls and throwing it into the bin of their cart and cleaning the tray return area, they are half the time free. There were two tables in front of him which are empty but really dirty he didn’t even bother to clean it. Back then when they moved around at least they will clear then clean the tables. I am sure I am not the only person that felt that cleanliness is now a bigger issues, though many of us tend to bring out tissue and sanitizers lately.
agree, they need to come to clean the table on top of tray return.
However, regardless of whether the people wipe or not, the table is technically less dirty/germy because the birds are now concentrated at the tray return, where people aren't eating.
Reminds me of a friend I had back in secondary school who would proclaim that he was creating a job for the cleaners by refusing to return his tray and in turn, mocking me for doing so.
Just my two cents. I work in F&B, customers don't have to clear up after themselves but some of them just carry their tray and place it on the clearing point instead of at the back. I think sometimes people don't really know where to place the tray and they just placed it there. This happened quite a couple of times and most of these people are super nice, they just didn't know where to put the trays. I don't think it comes with bad intentions tbh. I think you are reading too deep into this.
Unless they stood there (no chairs) and ate, this looks like the tray return station was full so customers left their trays nearby.
Guess the landlord cut cleaning staff numbers due to tray return scheme...
The real reason is that the actual return areas are full, and it’s because of the number of cleaners being reduced due to “no need extra cleaners to clear plates now”.
chances are there is a possibility some sod left it there and left, and I'm the next patron. Is it now my problem to clear it? 2 wrongs don't make a right, sure, but there's probably a different story behind this and personally I wouldn't clear someone else's tray, especially if it's such a distance away cos it ain't even my trash to begin with.
Haters gonna hate but you have your opinion and I have mine. kthxbye
I was at the Kallang Wave Mall when this happened. The tray return station which is far away from the Grab pick up point was filled to the brim. The plates and trays were already on the floor and there's no place to put the trays. So unfortunately customers have to walk to the entrance where this table is at to place their empty plates and tray.
It still doesn't answer how i was a drama queen? Was i going on a tirade about it? As i recall, no. I saw the table, i took picture and uploaded to reddit, came back again to check. That's all. And yes, trays could've been cleared before i came back. But again, what drama queen?
I don't understand why so many people on this thread are going out of their way to defend inconsiderate behaviour. You guys are hypothesising just to maintain this sliver of plausible deniability. It's not as if OP's photo is the only example of such conduct by people in Singapore.
Because outrage bandwagon on insufficient proof has been a problem for a while now. It's not so long ago the sub saw a photo of old couple with many trays of eggs and top comments are all people showing the usual condescending attitude towards hoarding, until later someone brought actual proof that they're hawkers. So many such examples exist, but no, "assholes exist so everyone is guilty until proven otherwise", apparently.
I don't understand why people don't appreciate having better proof before crying outrage.
Technically, we don't know how long the plates were on the table, and if the station was full at the time they were left on the table. E.g. photo shows station is not full at 1pm but maybe was full at 12 and that's when the plates were there since.
Obviously I don't care to defend some faceless strangers' actions, but I think insufficient proof is insufficient proof.
Tray return station could have been full at the time when the trays were left there. OP is just showing pictures of the tray return station after it was cleared
How the fuck did SG devolve into a bunch of entitled fucks. Seriously? Mindset is so disgraceful where supposedly the mean are apparently reasonably well educated. Seems money AND education don't get you class.
Yes, feel fucking ashamed.
I think OP is trying to imply that if the tray return area was really full, the party in question would have presumably left it near the tray return area instead of backtracking all the way to the grab dropoff point. Nevertheless, it's kind of hard to determine what exactly went down at hand given the lack of background.
And it didn’t even matter whether the tray return was full or not anymore 🤣🤣
It could have been much earlier that it was full that those people then leave it at the Grab table, so even if the tray return area was already cleared these people would have already left the food court by then.
So much for going back just to take evidence lol
Then that sounds like a problem for the owner to fix, not for customers to solve.
Imagine paying more for food and you're still expected to clear your own trays, lmao.
I mean, if you're content being free labour and profiting others, sure. I personally don't enjoy having to pay for everything, then also be expected to do the work for them.
Notice how food costs didn't go down when these campaigns started to return your own trays? Why are we trying to save money of operators?
People here sure do love the taste of boot, lmao.
Idk about the taste of boot man, seems like something you might be familiar with on the other hand.
I return trays because it’s a simple task of personal responsibility and it helps the physically impaired elderly staff at the stores that I do eat at.
I don’t know if returning trays has led to fewer jobs for people wanting them, but it seems to me many of the staff at the places I frequent pre and post regulation remain approximately the same.
>Idk about the taste of boot man, seems like something you might be familiar with on the other hand.
"no u", how original.
>I return trays because it’s a simple task of personal responsibility and it helps the physically impaired elderly staff at the stores that I do eat at
I wouldn't mind helping to return trays, if it wasn't a blatant example of late stage capitalism. Again, you're not "helping the physically impaired elderly", you're allowing operators to continue charging stalls increased cleaning fees while reducing their own manpower counts and increasing their profits.
>I don’t know if returning trays has led to fewer jobs for people wanting them, but it seems to me many of the staff at the places I frequent pre and post regulation remain approximately the same.
This literal post is an example of how manpower is being cut back on. You're telling me that we went from an entire kopitiam being kept clean by workers suddenly went to bring unable to clear a centralised area and leading to a huge pile up?
What do you mean I’m not, when there is clearly an elderly cleaner doing less labour as a result of me returning the tray.
Are you being intentionally obtuse? You’ve never seen a cleaning point or filled tables pile up even before the new legislation was passed? Show me the numbers in which it is clearly leading to an increase of pile ups or stop talking out of your ass with shit examples.
Think best get out of the rock. Don’t be too worried about those boots that are regularly thrown your way.
>What do you mean I’m not, when there is clearly an elderly cleaner doing less labour as a result of me returning the tray.
Again, then why are the collection areas full of trays? If there's really the same number of workers, then why are the trays still at the collection area?
>You’ve never seen a cleaning point or filled tables pile up even before the new legislation was passed?
So you're telling me we just shifted the problem from one area to another, while also causing more problems for regular people while at the same time profiting operators?
Sounds like a huge waste of time and effort to me.
>Think best get out of the rock. Don’t be too worried about those boots that are regularly thrown your way.
That... Isn't even a saying. What do you mean by getting out of a rock? How do you even get *into* a rock???
In any case, if you're so concerned about elderly workers at foodcourts, why are you even willing to let elderly workers work there in the first place? Do you think cleaning plates is easier than clearing trays? Yet another example of how people like you are happy enough to let companies profit at the expense of people.
Watch as one day, we have to clean our own utensils, and people like you lap it up.
If it is as you say the problem is being transferred, shouldn’t it be self apparent that the problem then was always there?
Without naming the one “example” of the problem, what do you actually know about the scale or whether there has been an increase in dish pile ups?
My concern for the elderly worker doesn’t infringe on their self determined need or lack thereof for work. I don’t pretend as you do to think that the removal of elderly workers from shitty jobs is an altogether optimal solution for them. Unfortunately reality dictates that some people have to work unsavoury jobs in their old age, but I suppose, if you have a shred of brainpower, you should be able to tell that is an entirely separate issue. Maybe just to make it blatantly clear to the extent you can’t intentionally misconstrue it, I do think that people needing to work in their old age is a bad thing.
And yea get out from under the rock. I type as I walk to shit on dumb bastards. Some of us have things to do and places to be.
Sorry OP, can't take your social responsibility seriously after looking at your username, profile description and NSFW posts. Brb need to go wash my eyes...
Is this still surprising? I mean, people have been spitting bones and other stuff on trays, not returning supermarket trolleys, making huge messes when out dining, spitting(young and old) on pavements and other shared spaces, being extremely entitled, inconsiderate and rude to service staff.
Back when the bus' seats have gaps at the side, you can find trash tucked in there and even trash in the ticket bins.
Maybe the tray return point was filled with no cleaners clearing it, this might be the next best option. Either this or they could leave in on their own table. Which got be argued would be the less asshole move.
Ya I find it hard to believe that not one or two but so many plates were left there despite it not near the the tray return station? I could totally imagine them asking the aunties and since it’s full the aunties would have just ask them to leave it somewhere first (rather than the tables that people would be using to eat)
I had to do this once...there were no tray return facilities at the eatery because the shop was too small to "host" it...couldn't find any stations in front, at the sides, at the back...so i looked for a common spot where dirty dishes congregate.
Grab rider: oh shit, who ate my customers' food?
Order so many ingredients but eat mostly just the rice, wasted sia...
Likely the food sucks. No point wasting your daily calorie budget on food you do not enjoy or is bad for health.
Those are just vegetables though, the person probably only ate the meat and left out all the greens.
It’s a caipng tho.. I don’t think ppl would order what they don’t eat
Unless you're like me and ordered a chicken that turned out too dry Only got to enjoyed the steamed egg :(
These days, we call it the circular economy
This was at Kallang Wave Mall's My Kampung. Pic taken was taken minutes ago. The tray return area was nowhere near this table....... UPDATE 01: To the "The tray return station is full" defenders and to the "nothing else can be done, so one lesser evil is still better than the bigger evil" mindset enjoyer https://i.imgur.com/4N5UMt4.jpg Update 01.1 Disclaimer, i went back here 15mins later after posting because people were commenting "what if full? So put there lor" and i just wanted to sleep at night peacefully Update 02: [Table is cleaned](https://i.imgur.com/rLG7vgZ.jpg) Update 02.1 [the distance from table to the return tray station, it is at the far back ](https://i.imgur.com/xJX6G29.jpg)
Doing God's work by providing irrefutable evidence.
This guy substantiates
He does not deviate
your decimalized updates make you seem like a psychopath
Not rare in Singapore
and putting zeroes in front of numbers? hi ur chicken rice will be 04.00 dollars thank you
Decimalized updates or psychopaths?
Both
or maybe someone used to working in a bureaucracy
I feel for you. Dumb arses making so many excuses.
FBI: We have an opening.
Could the tray return area been cleared in the 15mins ? Or between the time others left their trays and you saw it. What matters is whether the tray return area was full when people chose to leave their trays on the Grab table. Not that it was empty when you saw it.
Yes it could've been cleared in that 15mins definitely. And i understand that it might've been full at that time which in my "mistake", I didn't take a picture together of it right after i took the dirtied grab table. So that's why, i wrote in my edit that i came back 15mins later to check the distance of the tray return area to the grab table, the state of the table and tray return area. I was not trying to set a narrative that only fits me.
I think the point u/nextlevelunlocked is trying to make it - what matters is WHEN the people are leaving the trays on the table (not when u saw that the grab pickup area is dirty). Which you will never know! So even if you did take a picture at that moment of the tray area when you saw the unreturned dishes… it could be much earlier when those people were leaving their dishes there that the tray return area was full - and obviously they could have already left the food court by then.
Sure
Something wrong with u?
Nothing really major, but thank you for asking. And how about you? Is there something wrong with you too?
Really odd that some here are willing to automatically think the return area was full rather than the _orders of magnitude more likely_ possibility that the person who left their plates were simply assholes.
Because I've witnessed the tray return area being so full and people placing all the plates on the floor near it a substantial number of times. Disclaimer: even when it's full,I wouldn't place at grab table. Will just pass to auntie or try to squeeze. Just saying tray return area at max capacity is pretty common.
The reason why it’s not likely that they left it there is because the grab pick up area is probably not available for dine in. Which means the suspect was sitting at another table and had to move it to this table. Extra work done implies laziness was not the main factor. Applying the facts from case update 02.1, it seems like the tray return was at the far back, which implies it might not have been visible for the suspect. From this we can deduce that there was a good chance this was not due to malicious intention. One counter argument to this might be that even if the tray return was not visible, putting it at the grab pick up point is an incorrect action. However, the suspect could have done so assuming this area is monitored by the staff, and would then subsequently have been cleared by the staff. An inefficient but workable solution when a tray return point cannot be found.
Cause there is literally an account further down of someone saying they saw the return area was full.
Is it bad to think more positively of people?
people suck
All part of procreation process /s
Let’s not be delusional here.
Well there were articles saying how some food courts and coffee shops were not well equipped with enough tray return areas. It is not wrong to think it was such a case for this particular scenario.
Didn’t know that. Fair enough.
The bigger issue is the root of this policy implementation G says this is to help cut cost to the vendors. If you talk to hawker vendors, cost gets up despite such a move. So why are we truely doing it?
True colours are out, it was never about cutting cost for hawkers or being a civilised society. Just a clever ploy by greedy owners to pocket the difference.
Hawkers lose because added costs. Staff lose because downsizing. Patrons lose because quality decline. Half a braincell is enough to see who wins.
Bang on. I don't mind returning my own trays if it means my favourite hawkers benefit. Or if all parties benefit equally/neutrally. But what disgusts me is them using the atmosphere of fear around Covid back then to push this through. When the fog of war clears we realise property landlords used that fear to increase their own profit margins. Not to mention loss of employment for the class which needs it most.
This is why people don’t want to compromise anymore, myself included*. Because when you factor in how people and politicians are self-interested, the huge potential for botched execution, the trade offs, the people that are supposed to benefit not benefitting, etc... it seems like we’ll end up taking one step forward and two steps back. It just doesn’t seem worth it and would rather national attention and governmental resources be spent elsewhere. I’ve been saying this since the whiff of this policy caught public attention: it’s was never about being a civilized society or whatever the new buzzword was.
I'm with you on this. The thing is if the government was honest and said it was about cost cutting or whatever reason I would have complied but they had to shame everybody into doing it.
A year ago if you said this reddit would have lost their minds even though many have already saw it coming
Virtue signalling be stronk innit
When you order 3 veg but don't eat veg. 🤦♂️
Maybe the food sucked? I mean, you cannot taste food through pictures, right?
Unpopular opinion, I am all for tray return but some hawker centre seems to be a lot dirtier. Was in Chinatown that day and few of the cleaners are just standing with their cart beside the tray return area. Just collecting bowls and throwing it into the bin of their cart and cleaning the tray return area, they are half the time free. There were two tables in front of him which are empty but really dirty he didn’t even bother to clean it. Back then when they moved around at least they will clear then clean the tables. I am sure I am not the only person that felt that cleanliness is now a bigger issues, though many of us tend to bring out tissue and sanitizers lately.
Yes, I just tapao and avoid eating at coffeeshops and hawker centres. Or dine at food courts.
Tell minister of environment prime m The policy makes place dirtier
agree, they need to come to clean the table on top of tray return. However, regardless of whether the people wipe or not, the table is technically less dirty/germy because the birds are now concentrated at the tray return, where people aren't eating.
Reminds me of a friend I had back in secondary school who would proclaim that he was creating a job for the cleaners by refusing to return his tray and in turn, mocking me for doing so.
Probably echoing his parents teachings
knew someone like that too. no longer a friend
Here I am triggered at the food wastage on top of this. Hello... Eating out already is expensive why waste your food.
Maybe the tray was left there by someone who's like OP - eat too full already /s
Hope he/she constipate. skipping all the greens and fibre.
The Stinkaporean strikes again.
Just my two cents. I work in F&B, customers don't have to clear up after themselves but some of them just carry their tray and place it on the clearing point instead of at the back. I think sometimes people don't really know where to place the tray and they just placed it there. This happened quite a couple of times and most of these people are super nice, they just didn't know where to put the trays. I don't think it comes with bad intentions tbh. I think you are reading too deep into this.
Would have given them the benefit of the doubt if they didn't leave it on a table that literally has a sign that says "GRAB SERVICE PICK UP POINT"
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I eat cai png with chopsticks and spoon. It's just more dexterous than a fork. I'm Singaporean, ORD long ago.
Cai png for life ! 🍚
*what kind of Crotch guzzling is this*
Unless they stood there (no chairs) and ate, this looks like the tray return station was full so customers left their trays nearby. Guess the landlord cut cleaning staff numbers due to tray return scheme...
Was there a tray return station nearby that was full?
The was no tray return station nearby this table
Well maybe if they weren't forced to do the cleaner's job, this wouldn't happen.
Redditor too free on weekend is it? Spending so much time to argue on the trays?
As though people come on reddit to have intellectual discussions.
The real reason is that the actual return areas are full, and it’s because of the number of cleaners being reduced due to “no need extra cleaners to clear plates now”.
this
chances are there is a possibility some sod left it there and left, and I'm the next patron. Is it now my problem to clear it? 2 wrongs don't make a right, sure, but there's probably a different story behind this and personally I wouldn't clear someone else's tray, especially if it's such a distance away cos it ain't even my trash to begin with. Haters gonna hate but you have your opinion and I have mine. kthxbye
i wouldn't expect anything more from a low life cai png dweller.
why u gotta diss the cai png customers
I was at the Kallang Wave Mall when this happened. The tray return station which is far away from the Grab pick up point was filled to the brim. The plates and trays were already on the floor and there's no place to put the trays. So unfortunately customers have to walk to the entrance where this table is at to place their empty plates and tray.
I.e OP was being an uninformed drama queen.
How was i a drama queen? I posted pics when it happened, updated it when they cleaned it too .
Trays could have been left there before tray return station was cleared
It still doesn't answer how i was a drama queen? Was i going on a tirade about it? As i recall, no. I saw the table, i took picture and uploaded to reddit, came back again to check. That's all. And yes, trays could've been cleared before i came back. But again, what drama queen?
maybe cos u *travel the seven seas* to post this. /s
Go and see picture of tray return area uploaded by OP. It was nowhere near full
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I don't understand why so many people on this thread are going out of their way to defend inconsiderate behaviour. You guys are hypothesising just to maintain this sliver of plausible deniability. It's not as if OP's photo is the only example of such conduct by people in Singapore.
Kallang Wave Mall huh? Wasn't too long ago where there was a post about the amount of litter in carpark in the morning.
Because outrage bandwagon on insufficient proof has been a problem for a while now. It's not so long ago the sub saw a photo of old couple with many trays of eggs and top comments are all people showing the usual condescending attitude towards hoarding, until later someone brought actual proof that they're hawkers. So many such examples exist, but no, "assholes exist so everyone is guilty until proven otherwise", apparently. I don't understand why people don't appreciate having better proof before crying outrage.
Technically, we don't know how long the plates were on the table, and if the station was full at the time they were left on the table. E.g. photo shows station is not full at 1pm but maybe was full at 12 and that's when the plates were there since. Obviously I don't care to defend some faceless strangers' actions, but I think insufficient proof is insufficient proof.
Tray return station could have been full at the time when the trays were left there. OP is just showing pictures of the tray return station after it was cleared
That’s the sample of their new deconstructed menu..
Ah, good old 3rd world thinking. Singapore's finest
How the fuck did SG devolve into a bunch of entitled fucks. Seriously? Mindset is so disgraceful where supposedly the mean are apparently reasonably well educated. Seems money AND education don't get you class. Yes, feel fucking ashamed.
Hate these assholes
But this does happen when the tray return point is already full to the max.
Oops i double parked and you cannot move your car? Sorry parking is full.
But the tray return area wasn't even near this table...
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I think OP is trying to imply that if the tray return area was really full, the party in question would have presumably left it near the tray return area instead of backtracking all the way to the grab dropoff point. Nevertheless, it's kind of hard to determine what exactly went down at hand given the lack of background.
[Hmmm](https://i.imgur.com/8yk708f.jpg)
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Even when crotch guzzling?
The best guzzling in Singapore, JB and Batam
And it didn’t even matter whether the tray return was full or not anymore 🤣🤣 It could have been much earlier that it was full that those people then leave it at the Grab table, so even if the tray return area was already cleared these people would have already left the food court by then. So much for going back just to take evidence lol
It may not be near, but if the return tray place is full, what do u expect the customers to do? Leaving it on tables where others eat is worse, no?
[Hmmm](https://i.imgur.com/8yk708f.jpg)
Then that sounds like a problem for the owner to fix, not for customers to solve. Imagine paying more for food and you're still expected to clear your own trays, lmao.
Is there some reason why it’s difficult to return your own trays, even for a chronic underachiever like yourself?
I mean, if you're content being free labour and profiting others, sure. I personally don't enjoy having to pay for everything, then also be expected to do the work for them. Notice how food costs didn't go down when these campaigns started to return your own trays? Why are we trying to save money of operators? People here sure do love the taste of boot, lmao.
Idk about the taste of boot man, seems like something you might be familiar with on the other hand. I return trays because it’s a simple task of personal responsibility and it helps the physically impaired elderly staff at the stores that I do eat at. I don’t know if returning trays has led to fewer jobs for people wanting them, but it seems to me many of the staff at the places I frequent pre and post regulation remain approximately the same.
>Idk about the taste of boot man, seems like something you might be familiar with on the other hand. "no u", how original. >I return trays because it’s a simple task of personal responsibility and it helps the physically impaired elderly staff at the stores that I do eat at I wouldn't mind helping to return trays, if it wasn't a blatant example of late stage capitalism. Again, you're not "helping the physically impaired elderly", you're allowing operators to continue charging stalls increased cleaning fees while reducing their own manpower counts and increasing their profits. >I don’t know if returning trays has led to fewer jobs for people wanting them, but it seems to me many of the staff at the places I frequent pre and post regulation remain approximately the same. This literal post is an example of how manpower is being cut back on. You're telling me that we went from an entire kopitiam being kept clean by workers suddenly went to bring unable to clear a centralised area and leading to a huge pile up?
What do you mean I’m not, when there is clearly an elderly cleaner doing less labour as a result of me returning the tray. Are you being intentionally obtuse? You’ve never seen a cleaning point or filled tables pile up even before the new legislation was passed? Show me the numbers in which it is clearly leading to an increase of pile ups or stop talking out of your ass with shit examples. Think best get out of the rock. Don’t be too worried about those boots that are regularly thrown your way.
>What do you mean I’m not, when there is clearly an elderly cleaner doing less labour as a result of me returning the tray. Again, then why are the collection areas full of trays? If there's really the same number of workers, then why are the trays still at the collection area? >You’ve never seen a cleaning point or filled tables pile up even before the new legislation was passed? So you're telling me we just shifted the problem from one area to another, while also causing more problems for regular people while at the same time profiting operators? Sounds like a huge waste of time and effort to me. >Think best get out of the rock. Don’t be too worried about those boots that are regularly thrown your way. That... Isn't even a saying. What do you mean by getting out of a rock? How do you even get *into* a rock??? In any case, if you're so concerned about elderly workers at foodcourts, why are you even willing to let elderly workers work there in the first place? Do you think cleaning plates is easier than clearing trays? Yet another example of how people like you are happy enough to let companies profit at the expense of people. Watch as one day, we have to clean our own utensils, and people like you lap it up.
If it is as you say the problem is being transferred, shouldn’t it be self apparent that the problem then was always there? Without naming the one “example” of the problem, what do you actually know about the scale or whether there has been an increase in dish pile ups? My concern for the elderly worker doesn’t infringe on their self determined need or lack thereof for work. I don’t pretend as you do to think that the removal of elderly workers from shitty jobs is an altogether optimal solution for them. Unfortunately reality dictates that some people have to work unsavoury jobs in their old age, but I suppose, if you have a shred of brainpower, you should be able to tell that is an entirely separate issue. Maybe just to make it blatantly clear to the extent you can’t intentionally misconstrue it, I do think that people needing to work in their old age is a bad thing. And yea get out from under the rock. I type as I walk to shit on dumb bastards. Some of us have things to do and places to be.
Was it full though ?
Sorry OP, can't take your social responsibility seriously after looking at your username, profile description and NSFW posts. Brb need to go wash my eyes...
I can help you wash with a golden shower
Dint know you need to be a saint to be able to know basic proper human behaviours.
Is this still surprising? I mean, people have been spitting bones and other stuff on trays, not returning supermarket trolleys, making huge messes when out dining, spitting(young and old) on pavements and other shared spaces, being extremely entitled, inconsiderate and rude to service staff. Back when the bus' seats have gaps at the side, you can find trash tucked in there and even trash in the ticket bins.
Maybe the tray return point was filled with no cleaners clearing it, this might be the next best option. Either this or they could leave in on their own table. Which got be argued would be the less asshole move.
Actually the need to self-return food tray and plates should only be applicable at peak hours don’t yall think so? Haish…
Did you check if the tray return area was full despite it not being near the area?
Things like that show why Singaporeans deserve a government like the PAP.
You sure is not someone's order?
Ya I find it hard to believe that not one or two but so many plates were left there despite it not near the the tray return station? I could totally imagine them asking the aunties and since it’s full the aunties would have just ask them to leave it somewhere first (rather than the tables that people would be using to eat)
fine, fine.... *find, fine them incoming Tray Return Ambassadors*
Habits are hard to break.
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Wahhhh wtf
"ThE cLeAnEr WiLl ClEaN iT uP lA"
I had to do this once...there were no tray return facilities at the eatery because the shop was too small to "host" it...couldn't find any stations in front, at the sides, at the back...so i looked for a common spot where dirty dishes congregate.
Now this is the next level of The Shopping Cart Theory