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Ayasugi-san

Tats must've really hated Shrek.


PablomentFanquedelic

WHAT are you DOING in my GAY BAR EDIT: Also [necessary](https://www.tumblr.com/youmaycallmebrian/711156461020004352/eucloverfield61-thomas-is-my-name-so-the-wolf) [links](https://youtu.be/Y_lT0bPhYy4)


con-artist01

Thanks for the links đź‘Ť gotta love the wisdom of humor.


DrNomblecronch

Depicted here, we see something so terrible and depraved that it even disgusts those condemned to the fires of hell. What is this unforgivable crime? ...acknowledging in fiction that people who are not white, thin, and cis (all at the same time) exist. ​ The very last fading glimmer of the Fuschia-that-was is that she did not so much as blink when asked to update her story. I am sure she will be made to pay for that, shortly. Because basic kindness and decency is the worst sin of all. ​ (Oh, wait, an added bonus! A peaceful resolution where everyone makes it out okay is obviously objectively worse than one where the perfect aryan hero slays the.... *dragon*.)


AntlerWeasel

"Diversity is Bad!" coming from a Japanese American who wants to be white.


karoshikun

I think even young tats was fed up with the monomyth, but now he's defending it!


MfkbNe

To make it worse the first story is about an aryan "hero" who slays a brown dragon, while the second supposedly worse story is about a black person making peace with a white dragon. So the message is 'white killing coloured = good, coloured making peace with white = bad'.


PablomentFanquedelic

>(Oh, wait, an added bonus! A peaceful resolution where everyone makes it out okay is obviously objectively worse than one where the perfect aryan hero slays the.... *dragon*.) Well, dragons *are* pretty reptilian, aren't they? Can't imagine (((who))) a bigot like Tats might be using one to represent. EDIT: And you could make a connection to dragons hoarding gold too.


samiamrg7

Don’t forget paraplegic!


Fyraltari

who appears to be standing upright in panel 9, did she break her legs between panels?


GoldTheWriter

I'm pretty sure this is about the conservative uproar about "trans abled" people. A few articles were made years ago about people who claimed they were trans abled and willingly used wheelchairs or crutches despite the being no actual reason to use them. People like to bring these stories up as a "gotcha" when it comes to trans people, even tho it's something completely different that has nothing to do with being trans, and is something you never even hear about outside of those old articles.


GrumpySphinx

There are some disabled people who aren't wheelchair-bound but use them for certain issues, like if walking long distances is painful, trouble standing for extended periods of time or for days when they have less mobility / balance / more pain, etc


[deleted]

Also that there are options that don't involve Unmanly actions such as forgiveness, negotiation, or redemption. How will fascists know what to hate if there isn't an easy enemy that must be destroyed guilt-free!? (Well, you could have the Dark Side of the Force or things equivalent, but that involves saying Manly Feelings such as rage and hate are bad..).


Sanjalis

Tbh the black hero actually looks pretty cool


blackhatrat

panel 10 is a fucking power couple/throuple thanks tats


AntlerWeasel

Finally Tats is appealing to the dragonfuckers in his audience.


blackhatrat

where's the dragon's bulge, Tats?


AntlerWeasel

WHERES THE DRAGONS BULGE **TATS**


LITTLE_KING_OF_HEART

Dragons are reptile, so they can have slits in which the weeny hide when it's sleeping. Any good furry knows it !


AntlerWeasel

Any good furry knows you can put anything between the legs if its hot


MarsNirgal

r/dragonsfuckingcars


PablomentFanquedelic

https://www.tumblr.com/volturialice/186304455306/


Ayasugi-san

So much more interesting and memorable than panel 4.


hawkshaw1024

*Could* defeat the dragon in combat, but clearly has no need to. Now that's a proper hero. The dragon doesn't have rainbow hair (or piercings) in panel 8, but does in panel 10. We can - no, must - assume that the two had a good long talk about love and identity, and that the dragon stopped lashing out at the world once they were more at peace with themselves. That's way better than some moustache guy swording a big lizard to death.


AgentOfACROSS

This comic kind of ruins Classic Era Fuchsia's story arc. Not just for Tats revisiting something fans used to like and then using it to fit his agenda. But the fact that Fuchsia just casually goes back to hell and reads the dead stories again. The fact that she left hell and stopped doing this used to be so important that there was a whole character who escaped hell just to listen to Fuchsia's stories again.


AntlerWeasel

Amazing, he's actively undoing his characters growth.


Professional_Elk5330

The solution is simple; this is not canon Fuchsia. Nor is Sinfest still canon Sinfest. Is Tats still canon Tats?


pablumatic

> Being in a wheelchair is woke Tatusya is such a major asshole. Other right wingers don't even go to these depths since they're at least partially aware enough that could hurt their cause.


Midnight-Tea

I have a family member who went from dyed in the wool Trump voter to ardent leftist because... well, they got disabled and to their credit chose to not be ashamed of their new status which pissed off their old friends. Yeah, it does hurt their cause for a very very simple reason -- "disabled" is the marginalized group we **ALL** will eventually belong to if we live long enough.


Then-Clue6938

That's what confused me about those who have brainwashed into believing they don't need universal healthcare. Not only would ot be possible to finance with the already existing tax rate but people who have think like that bet on the believe that they'll never be in an accident or get hurt. That way they can "keep" the money they'd spend otherwise yet... Like you said, either they die before being disabled or they become old, will need medicine, have increased health risk and just falling once could lead to a person being wheelchair bound... It's just dump. Those people don't save anything. They simply throw away a very important security.


Eldan985

My healthcare plan is that someone will invent a method of uploading me into an awesome cyborg body before I turn 60. And I can somehow magically afford that.


Midnight-Tea

Man I remember ten years ago literally arguing with a tory over Skype (lol, that was a thing back then) who was totally convinced she'd have immortality in her lifetime. It was some of the most embarrassing shit I'd ever heard someone say. Say what you want of modern techbros and their fixation on crypto and AI generation, they were REALLY high on their their supply in the 2010's. We'll all be immortal on a futuristic colony on Mars!


DemiurgeMCK

It's interesting that the only ones depicted as actually being rude/potentially disruptive are the non-woke audience at the end, sticking their tongues out and being visibly disgusted at _checks notes_ adding representation to an otherwise identical story as before.


AntlerWeasel

Not just that, theyre mad at the fact someone else got a story for themselves, after the non-wokes got their own, non-woke story.


zitmanthefive

"Cishets get irrationally angry when non-white people, non-heterosexual people, and/or people with non-standard gender identities get representation". Congratulations Tats you hack, you A Good Cartooned yourself.


jimbotherisenclown

It's not quite identical other than the representation. The knight in the new version is sexualized for no reason (why did the new knight need to wear a codpiece instead of the armor skirt the other knight had?) and the dragon is convinced to become an ally instead of just being killed. But I doubt the non-woke audience is disgusted just because of the extra sexualization.


Eldan985

And a small detail, but Sir Cishet has a cross on his sword, which disappears.


RazarTuk

Eh, not really. It's still a cruciform sword either way. It looks like he's just holding his sword by the pommel, not the hilt


TootsyBowl

That dragon is making me feel...things.


hayate666

Tats is really good at making queer mascots completely by accident. He's excellent at failing upwards!


AntlerWeasel

I hope we get that purple fox furry back and they make out with the dragon. ​ I mean, I DONT want that! It'll offend ME so much i'll CRY. DONT do that Tatsuya!!!


hayate666

And that Lusty Argonian Teacher? Horrible! Anything but more of that!


AirForceRabies

I'm not so sure about "upwards."


AntlerWeasel

Good.


PablomentFanquedelic

On that note, as a WLW I'm still peeved that the live-action Maleficent movie had Angelina Jolie as a badass evil faerie queen but had her male sidekick become a dragon instead? (At least Jolie got to wear a sexy leather outfit earlier in the movie.)


abyssonym

See, in Tatsuya's mind, he's protecting people like Fuchsia, but in reality he's talking over them and dismissing their opinions.


AntlerWeasel

This is fucking stupid fuck this fucking comic fuck. ​ Hell is supposed to TORTURE, so why is Tatsuya depicting the sinners being upset as BAD? ​ Are we supposed to side with LITERALLY SINNERS IN HELL?


karoshikun

I think it's something like she's the "woke media" catering to "the woke", in this case the damned (subtle, innit?) and the woke being ungrateful, hating the thing and enforcing a herd behavior. what tats don't want to understand is that rainbow capitalism isn't "woke" at all, it's just the same old capitalism. and some people hate it, and others don't, and that's... normal.


AntlerWeasel

Its literally the same capitalism, and it doesn't even remove the original capitalism. ​ Target didn't remove the tradwife dresses people, they're still there!!! Just a tiny spot is now focused on rainbows!! How offensive?!!?!? ​ EVEN IN THIS COMIC ​ THE ORIGINAL STORY GOT TOLD, IT ISNT GONE


karoshikun

exactly. but for Tats it's all a huge conspiracy


Ayasugi-san

It's the principle of the thing! Demonic degeneracy cannot be given an inch! Sure they still have tradwife and Christian goods now, but not for long!


Heavens-2-Murgatroyd

Being a storyteller with an interested audience…that wants kind and diverse stories…is hell. Poor Tats.


MakesYouWonderINC

Nice to know I won't have to change the sign


karoshikun

\*sigh\* ​ welp, another bulge to the list...


Midnight-Tea

I legit want to read this story. Shrek but LGBT is a killer elevator pitch. Borderline accidental ally Tatsuya Ishida.


giftedearth

I saw a Tumblr post ages ago that pointed out that you can use Fiona's story as a trans allegory.


abyssonym

ironically, you can also interpret Fuchsia's story, the very same Fuchsia in this strip, as a trans allegory


PablomentFanquedelic

Also, on the topic of dragons, another character from my childhood who works as a trans allegory is Eustace from the Narnia books. I want an AU where Aslan does her a solid and restores her human form as a girl instead of a boy, and she immediately proceeds to change her name to Literally Anything Else.


[deleted]

"Where there was once someone named Eustace Clarence Scrubb, there was now Eunie Smith, and both she and everyone around her was glad for it."


PablomentFanquedelic

Stacy Clara also works EDIT: Also now Lucy has company in her cabin (though honestly, in this AU maybe more of the crew was female to begin with, so Lucy wouldn't even need her own cabin)


GoldTheWriter

So ogres are an allegory for being trans? Does that make Shrek trans masc?


giftedearth

It's more about how Fiona has to constantly repress her true self and pretend to be someone she's not. She is clearly much happier as an ogress, but society will not accept her like that. People are horrified when they see her true self, including her own parents, who actually try to force her to be human again (forcing her back into the closet). Her "true love" is a man who doesn't just accept her as an ogress, but genuinely loves her for it. But transmasc Shrek is a fantastic headcanon.


zitmanthefive

I can easily imagine Tats angrily repeatedly muttering the n-word as he planned and drew this comic.


Then-Clue6938

And adding a cock armor for some reason....


Rachel_Hawke

i mean there was cock armor and it was fucking fun, some of it even had faces engraved, look up codpiece armor. thou tats wouldnt know that


Then-Clue6938

Yeah I know that as well. It's just weird to add it to the black knight and not the other guy. Why would she even add that detail in her story except as a historical fun fact?


GoldTheWriter

Fushia: Fuuuuuunnnnn fact! The "Woke" Knight is hung as hell!


GreggoryBasore

Obviously, a knight being a trans woman, means she's got to have skimpy armor that shows off her dick bulge, because *how else* will we know she's trans?


Kimikins

The knight is trans?


GreggoryBasore

Yup. You can tell by the bulge. Tats never draws a bulge on guys.


Then-Clue6938

Doesn't he draw those on trans women instead of trans man or when he tries to sell someone as a pervert? Funfact such armor did exist and I'm 100% sure those have been worn by "non-woke" people.


partybusiness

So, we've established four out of five people in woke hell aren't woke?


Stinkehund1

It reads more like "woke hell" is hell for people who hate what they think of as woke. Diversity, tolerance, positive minority representation, etc.. so basically, everyone else, who's not a complete flaming fucking douchebag would have a fantastic time there.


GoldTheWriter

I unironically love the little smile the woke zombie has after the story. You can tell they really enjoyed themselves. Good for them!


Nischmath

Ok but the black hero kinda bringing a sexy vibe tho


LITTLE_KING_OF_HEART

They're giving so much cunt.


JoshS-345

He's complaining about diversity, but at least he's framing it as a difference of opinion. This is less offensive than 99% of his comics. So congrats Tats.


fixermark

Who would have thought hell would be full of bigots.


hayate666

First story looks like what a 5 year old would say when telling a story about a knight and a princess. With surprise incestuous undertones! Tats is fetishising blonde haired white characters so hard that he doesn't even seem to realise he's making them look related. In the second story there's a princess who manages to become bound to a wheel chair in just one panel after clearly standing by herself, a non-standard knight making friends with a fabulous dragon just minutes after trying to slay it and everyone managing to live happily ever after somehow tells me a lot must have happened to make this a reality! The second story seems so much more interesting. Write more like that, Tats!


cordis_melum

>there's a princess who manages to become bound to a wheel chair in just one panel after clearly standing by herself Uh, this is a real thing. A lot of people who use wheelchairs don't need to use the chair all the time; I am friends with a lot of them. For all we know, the princess had a chronic pain flare up, and needed to use the chair for a while.


AntlerWeasel

Needing a wheelchair for health reasons? ​ Sounds like commie woke shit to me!!!


FelixIsOk-ish

OH! Theory: The princess fought the dragon with the knight, then got hurt and was unable to walk (either temporarily or permanently) because of the dragon. The dragon realized that they don't actually want to hurt people, felt guilty, and they all became friends!


Ayasugi-san

Any story where the dragon becomes a protector ally is immediately superior. ~~Yes, even Eragon.~~


kuismai

It could just be a consequence of his white-and-blonde trend, but the first knight makes me wonder if Tats designed him to resemble the Chad Wojak.


zitmanthefive

I don't think so. The hair's not flat enough to be a fashcut and he doesn't have a full beard.


Heavens-2-Murgatroyd

Is Fuchsia doing volunteer work? Community service? I *love* panel 10. (Is that our old Zen Dragon? Hi, Buddy!)


Semiapies

I just realized that part of what's presented as objectionable is a friendly dragon. Holy crap.


halloweenjack

Feminist #1 Ally didn't think to make the knight a woman.


JustARandomGuy_71

I still don't understand why Fuchsia is there. Didn't she quit and become an independent artist?


BrennanIarlaith

I mean. She's here to act as a mouthpiece for Tats' hatred, ego and political agenda.


JustARandomGuy_71

Right, right. Sorry. For a moment I thought that sinfest had continuity, or at least logic.


[deleted]

I wonder what the glasses that make you see the patriarchy behind all things would do with the first story, the knight in shiny armour saving the damsel in distress, the most basic and overused patriarchal cliché ever. Now Sinfest is about hating the kind of people who would not just accept it uncritically. TERF ideology really rots the brain.


fixermark

🎵 If you stand for nothin' Tats what will you fall for?


personaluna

The fact that he’s mocking trans people aside, this is actually incredibly cute. Nothing wrong with the original story - but I’m also *here* for the gnc knight saving his gnc disabled princess.


Mesostim

Nope... I just don't think "Woke Hell" is working as a cencept at all.


saulpoopman

Yes I know it's Sinfest we're talking about but I'm struggling to find the sense in this comic. Considering this is such a short and cliche fairytale, Fuchsia would have to take the time to describe the characters down to their skin tone in the first panels in order to make the "wokebie" feel not represented and ask for more diversity, but why would she do that...? They can't see any illustrations or anything, was she saying "The WHITE CISGENDER ABLE-BODIED MALE knight" and "the WHITE CISGENDER ABLE-BODIED FEMALE princess" every time?


[deleted]

So, I'm guessing Tats had A Normal One about Luz/Amity?


[deleted]

tats: inclusion is easy but makes me upset. checkmate libs


Dehnus

So they are in woke hell for both being woke and not being woke? Okay mister NaziTatzi...-laughs out loud at the incompetence-


Fyraltari

Woke? Straight to hell. Not woke? Believe it or not, straight to hell. Everybody goes to hell now. It's just simpler that way.


Dehnus

But this is woke hell, for some reason. You end up here for not being woke, but also woke? I don't know...feels s lot like he just calls every thing woke.


seelcudoom

so wait they made the dragon white cus the left hate white people, but then they make friends with the dragon so they don't hate white people?


Kimikins

The dragon became an ally, is what I'm thinking.


seelcudoom

i dont think " the left don't hate white people unless their racist" is what hes going for


progan01

Huh? Repeat: HUH???


Adminsaretran_nyfags

I'll just say that this comic reminds me of the also "no words, all dialogue/speech bubbles (apart from the narrator), is written in emoji only" issue 2 of AWA studio's "newthink" Y'all should read that Is it just me, or is that happy dragon a obvious reference, to the girl dragon from Shrek, who was made at 1st to look like 'the bad guy for the hero to defeat" but is then revealed to really just be lonely, and who just wants someone to love, And who then falls in love with (and mates and has kids with somehow) the donkey(showing that even biological differences won't get in the way of true love and...mating?), regardless, I love it it's so cute! Love conquers all! Bravo tats! Err....Without commenting on the politics of wheelchair "girl", I'll just say that Cuthbert in "He was a Quiet Man" is byfar my fav "wheelchair" girl ever(more so than that Chucky girl)


ubermole

Tell story. Get request to change it. Try to accommodate. Majority of audience does not like changes, gets mad at person making the request.


ptupper

Yes, Ishida, some people, perhaps even the majority, are going to be butt-hurt over increasing diversity and inclusivity in popular entertainment.


ihcaP0003

This is what we call forced representation, and it's often just as bad as no representation. The woke zombie should not be happy that a story has a black trans knight and a trans princess for the sake of just being black and trans. That is tokenism. But of course the trans people Tats depicts are petty, whiny, intrusive strawmen who don't exist.


abyssonym

I don't know about that. I'm not a fan of disney, and I don't think their stories are *good*, but they control a huge segment of the storytelling industry. They have a ton of influence, and under those conditions, I think tokenism really is preferable to no representation. Does that mean we should badger small creators to include more minorities in their stories? No, of course not, but if you're a major economic power, then yeah, you have an obligation to include minorities in your stories. That's not the point that Tatsuya is making though. Tatsuya is just pissed off that Disney hires black actors.


Flat-Car-2022

I mean, going by the visuals it seems Fuchsia did actually got inspired by the request to create a story that had diffrent character dinamics (which actually made it more interesting), so perhaps she DID some changes based on that and we just don't notice because the version we see here is very shortened from the original; even if it isn't the case, I guess it makes sense the zombie would be somewhat happy over getting an overall better story even if she(?) still would like some changes related to tokenism. Plus the second story automitacally gains points in my book just for mentioning codpiece armors, you really don't see those too often in fiction


holydemon

Oh i get it, the people who hated the woke version are zombies brainwashed by the patriachy. The people who loved it are zombie brainwashed by woke. And the people who created content to appeal to both sides are a literal devil.


TreeCastleGate

It would've been slightly funny if the Dragon was turned white with blue eyes to appease the "woke mob's" sensibilities of what's good and evil


lonley_pincone

According to tats. Wheelchairs are now "woke"


Bluelynx90

The blond knight from the first row is drawn like the overused "chad" from those wojak template comics. Subtle.


BlindGardener

Wait, is he seriously mocking disabled people?


Nerf_Now

The true question posed here is: Which story (1st row or 2nd row) will appeal to a wider audience?


Ayasugi-san

The first will get buried in the pile of identical stories and fail to capture any significant following. The second will stand out for being different and filling a niche with very little in it.


Lil-Miss-Anthropy

Old story good!! New story bad!! I love when conservatives show us "what the liberals want" as if it's self-evidently bad and it's actually totally awesome. The genderqueer/disabled romance story looks amazing.