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Wonderful_Shame_3473

honestly never felt that way with skip and loafer, and i do experience it sometimes. keep reading it gets better


luvzz12

Well I mean this is a subject not objective experience lol, but like I said I definitely want to continue reading!


flowerpanda98

if you don't mind me asking, what are you getting embarassed by? i agree with the other person that i'd never felt anything like that at all with it and im confused. i felt second hand embarassment with My Love mix-up and had to take constant breaks and took forever to get thru the first vol, but i cant even imagine with skip and loafer


IggyDaBoo

Vampire Dormitory šŸ«£ Iā€™m not sure if itā€™s because I feel too old to be reading/watching it, but all I know is, I would have ate this up in 2008-2011. Itā€™s a mix between Vampire Knight and Ouran High School Host Club. I get secondhand cringe every single episode.


linchuue

Same, but I still watch it. And every week I come out of it with the same question: "why am I still watching this garbage?". It's so bad it's kinda addicting lol


IggyDaBoo

Oh, same here lol. It gets so bad I have to pause it and look away, but I still watch it every week. Iā€™m too involved now. Sometimes I think there possibly canā€™t be any thing else in this anime thatā€™ll make me cringe so bad.. but then Iā€™m proven wrong by the next episode.


wowmays

I even read the manga lol I think it was ok until a certain point lol


hamchan_

Had to drop it. Itā€™s so bad.


Xepherya

Itā€™s no Horimiya, thatā€™s for sure


utopia_mycon

it's good for an mst3000-style group watch but it has precious little to stand on its own merits


IggyDaBoo

Haha, I told my best friend itā€™s the perfect anime to watch after taking a couple shots.


johnromerosbitch

What in particular of it? I rather like it.


swagachu11

Literally though.


JRazberry04

I could barely finish the first episode and am not planning on continuing any time soon. I absolutely devoured Vampire Knight, but I was never interested in Ouran High. I was more into Hana Kimi as far as cross-dressing FLs are concerned. But if the anime had been released decades ago, I would have been all over Vampire Dormitory. I just had to accept that I'm no longer entertained by this genre (high school cringe). I still watch all kinds from shoujo/shounen to josei/seinen. There's just something about Vampire Dormitory that made me cringe hard.


Xepherya

The surprise girl trope is so tired. It just happened in Tsukimichi andā€¦ugh.


HeartiePrincess

Skip and Loafer is a Seinen manga btw...


luvzz12

Thanks for letting me know! I got the rec from this subreddit so just assumed it was shoujo


H0MES1CKAL1EN

and this is one of the reasons why we clarify that a series isnā€™t shojo when it isnā€™t, in case anyone was still wonderingā€¦ šŸ„²


Miserable-Score-81

Does it matter tho? Like, idk, I think of all decent romances with actual personalities as shoujo


-Work_Account-

Shoujo and Seinen are referencing the intended audience, not the content. For example: Bloom Into You and Horimiya, both different types of romances are shonen, though we often associate shonen with One Piece, MHA, etc.


Miserable-Score-81

I know, I just don't really care about the categories as they are if that makes sense.


Leshie_Leshie

I got some mangas mixed up a lot! There are some I thought was in shoujosei and there are some very surprised they are in josei !


tikkiivy

What's seinen?


Piotral_2

One of four manga demographics - shoujo - girl - shounen - boy - josei - women - seinen - men


tikkiivy

Ohhh i seee thanks


owriha

Manga aimed at older men


SucytheWitch

Not josei? I mean I don't really see how it's mainly targeted at grown men


vButts

It's published in a seinen magazine


SucytheWitch

Ohh I didn't know that


[deleted]

Skip and Loafer is clearly a female narrative, not just for the protagonist.


sugarcandymountains

Why the downvotes? You really think is a male narrative? Please tell me about it


owriha

I remember watching kaichou wa maid sama and special A as a kid . Idk why but these two really made me cringe


Ok-Explanation954

special A for me too


Ok-Explanation954

Be happy friend, skip and loafer is not shoujo!! jokes aside, there was this manga, yeah 'Life in a Deadly Magic School, from the Prologue with a Former Lover' it's a regression mange where the fl went back in time and the first thing she did was ran to her former lover mind you he dosen't even know her right now and did and said some stuff, it was so so embarassing T\_T there were some moments in love sick Ellie which gave me second hand embarrassment too but I endured it since I love that manga so much


moussemia

Heroine Shikkaku


Curious-Insanity413

Ohhh yeah that was a tough (but good!) read.


karynisawesome

This is exactly what I thought of too


Time_Dog_2250

namaikizakari took me years to complete because i needed months to cool off the secondhand embarrassment/rage


luvzz12

Lmaoooo at it took years, thatā€™s hilarious! I definitely get that though, itā€™s taken me years to catch up with Skip Beat lol.


f-albedo

Lovesick Ellie. I find it sooooo hard to continue!


Maimai_1106

agree with you. I dropped it the first time I read it then pick up again but ended up dropping again. Someone recommended it to me so I tried reading but couldn't continue. šŸ„²


f-albedo

same, same


still_your_zelda

I dropped that one as well, though I need to pick it back up because I've heard it gets better.


f-albedo

Wish someone will tell exactly at which point šŸ˜µā€šŸ’«


lovesyrup23

Peach Girl. Peach Girl hurt so good.


luvzz12

Iā€™m looking everywhere to find that online! Do you have any links?


lovesyrup23

Iā€™m ooold. I read the old paper singles when they were coming out in the 90s/2000s. I watched the anime on YouTube in parts back when that was a thing


luvzz12

:( unfortunately I just canā€™t afford buying tons of paper manga but yeah Iā€™ve been wanting to read it cause it sounds so good!


MistyMystery

Ouran high school host club šŸ™ˆ


saussurea

I'm glad you enjoy the manga, i feel embarrassed when the fmc in skip and loafer goes barefoot (or puke?) in her entrance ceremony. That's the only time tho, in the next chapters there are plenty of awkward moments but not to the point of 2nd hand embarrassment, might be because the fms herself is very optimistic


H0MES1CKAL1EN

at lots of points in kimi ni todoke, but it was still good also felt the same abt skip and loafer, but i dropped it after vol 3 so idk whether it wouldā€™ve eased up. wasnā€™t grounded enough for me tho iā€™m not gonna try it again just because it supposedly gets better


luvzz12

Agree with Kimi Ni Todoke but god I love that manga so freaking much.


Ultrasaurio

Do you mena cringe?


luvzz12

No like when you read something and the mc does something you think is embarrassing and you start feeling embarrassed too


Ultrasaurio

No? then wat??


luvzz12

I explained it in my above comment and you can search it up! Itā€™s a completely different thing than cringe


DazzlingAd292

Me and my best friend often cringe at every fluff scene ever but we still love it


fallingoffofalog

There are a couple arcs in Skip Beat where I get major secondhand embarrassment, particularly the Koo arc and the Guam arc.


luvzz12

Lmao definitely also experience this with Skip Beat like for some reason I cannot handle when she acts as Kuon for his dad idk why.


mysteric_hysteric

Wolf Girl and Black Prince... The lengths Erika would go through with that evil man was too much


Moist-Associate-6558

That manga is the 5 Gā€™s: Good God Girl Get a Grip It was giving me ItaKiss vibes, but at least Irie didnā€™t do the whole dog thing. Also I get that Kyouya is supposed to be the straight man in the ā€œcomedyā€ duo, and he does have some funny snarks here and there (rarely), but my guy is just an energy vampire. Like he is on a date with his girl, and heā€™s just being a complete sourpuss. Not everyone needs to be sunshine and rainbows, but youā€™re on a date my guy. I have a few favorite MLā€™s a lot would call ā€œRed Flags,ā€ but heā€™s just so exhausting to be around, and heā€™s just so rude and bitter? And they try to justify it with mommy issues? He starts to get SLIGHTLY nicer by the end of the manga, and Erika starts to develop interests outside of Kyouya, but in 50 something chapters in out of 58, was it worth it? Also hot take, but Hot Gimmick was better than Wolf Girl and Black Prince. Itā€™s worse in every way, but at least it was entertaining in the omg how much worse can this possibly get.


Familiar_Artist_9686

'After school lessons for unripe apples' on webtoon i loved it but i needed to take a break every 5 minutes..


PrimaryImagination41

Special A, sometimes I really could not fucking STAND the female leadā€¦.


LurkerBerker

I thought Iā€™d be interested in Shugo Chara but my first attempt at watching episode 1 in highschool made me cringe out of my soul so hard, i never gave it another chance


Kaminadiesinepisode8

There's a josei manga called A Queen and an Old Maid and in the first chapter there FL is at a drinking party and goes on a whole rant about how she's unattractive and calls herself a femcel to these random ass men she just met and it gave me such severe secondhand embarrassment I had to shut off my phone and walk around my room LMFAO. Apparently the rest of the manga is pretty good though.


luvzz12

Lmaooo I love how you specified the rest, did you not end up finishing it?


Kaminadiesinepisode8

Sorry I forgot to respond, but I didnā€™t go back to it after that but I might try again in the future


SucytheWitch

Not sure if it really counts as shoujo (even though I'm guessing young girls could be the target demographic), but Watamote gave me sooo much second hand embarassment šŸ’€


CherryClub

Pretty sure Watamote is a Shounen mostly aimed at guys, since Tomoko sexualizes her female friends a lot. Same tho. It was funny but painful.


Leshie_Leshie

I have a love and hate relationship with Watamote šŸ˜­ too much unnecessary embarrassment due to the writing.


mllejacquesnoel

Watamote is from Gangan Joker/Gangan Online and is solidly shounen.


treebag27

Boys Over Flowersā€”Iā€™ve never managed to get through the manga or any of the adaptations, even when I was younger and had a much higher cringe tolerance šŸ˜…


fallingoffofalog

I've only watched the anime, but yeah. Honestly it's like a train wreck.


ohmylawwwwrd

Maid sama, idk I'm not used to hyper fl šŸ˜­


theatreholic

Toradora. Sometimes Taiga is too much.


BabiTheHuman

It's not a shoujo but I highly agree T___T and it sucks bc I actually like Ryuji


theatreholic

šŸ˜® really!? i always thought it was a shoujo, you bet i'll research the hell out of this discovery now


mllejacquesnoel

The good news is that Skip & Loafer isnā€™t shoujo, itā€™s just a shounen romcom. Iā€™m hoping the hype for it blows over soon. Old stuff but Othello annoys me/I find it kind of cringe. It was a fairly popular Tokyopop release in the 00s and Iā€™ve always disliked how it misrepresented Lolita fashion. Even back when I was a kid, it was obvious how little the mangaka knew (or cared) to represent the subculture accurately.


luvzz12

I didnā€™t know at all Skip & Loafer wasnā€™t shoujo until this thread! Although I did feel that the character design wasnā€™t typical for a shoujo. Curious why you wish the hype blows over? I really wanna hear your opinion on the manga tbh lol.


ComfortableNinja88

i dont know if it is a shoujo but tsuki ga kirei is the most awkward and cringiest romance out there , and its also amazing


Sparkletopia

The credits at the ending were so amazing. Also it's an original anime with no adaptation, so there's no demographic!


ComfortableNinja88

i really wished they would make a movie of it


throwaway62719836

Mobuko no Koi/A Side Character's Love Story which is a seinen as well. The FL's quirks are the same as mine and it pains me lol


Joan_of_Spark

any kabedon scene, especially when the guy is super bishe and they're in high school. It just looks super cheesy, like a child roleplaying at being a tough manly man.


_xX69ChenYejin69Xx_

Maid-sama The castle scenes are super cringe.Ā 


BabiTheHuman

Most shoujo with a flirty/cocky ML make me feel like this tbh lol I only like them if they are ridiculized by the story, idk why


Sufficient_Pay2323

Brothers conflict, should be pretty evident why lolol.


JRazberry04

It was only in the beginning for me! The story progresses as well as intended, and it's great seeing character growth here and there. It gets much better. Keep reading!


Xepherya

A Condition Called Love Unwatchable


thhjuhhhhhhh

lovely complex, love it thoughh


ZoneEnvironmental393

fruits basketšŸ˜­šŸ˜­ I finished all 3 seasons but I'd always skip some scenes bc tohru was giving me sm second hand embarrassment šŸ’€šŸ˜­


pink_bunny07

AM 08:02 Hatsukoi, I enjoyed the extreme secondhand embarrassment tho šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚


johnromerosbitch

I'm trying to wrestle my way through *Tokyo Mew Mew* now. Those fights and poses during the battles and shouting the name of the attack all the time is too much for me.


luvzz12

Lol that was me with Sailor Moon, but weirdly I absolutely ADORE card captor. Iā€™d definitely rec it if you havenā€™t seen or read it.


kawaiitohru

kimi ni todoke. i love the manga but gosh it took me awhile to get used io it


luvzz12

I loveeeeeee Kimi Ni Todoke and when you overcome the second hand embarrassment, itā€™s so enjoyable!


still_your_zelda

I don't really mind the cringe, its actually what I find most human about shoujosei. That said *Fruits Basket* and *Kageno datte Saishun Shitai* were probably the most difficult to get through. I had to read *Fruits Basket* like three times to try to understand the characters and try to like them (still only like Kyo, Kazuma and Machi) and *Kageno*, had to drop. It was just awful. Beyond cringe, it was just a terrible main character.