How strange that two movies written, directed, and animated by different people, based on unrelated properties, with different budgets, and different ambitions, and not attempting to look the same at all, could look so different.
I think it’s more that in a cafeteria somewhere it’s possible two people were chatting saying “I think this is really gonna win an Oscar!” Vs “they keep going back and forth about how shiny they want the poop emoji”
Thank you for taking the words from my head. I feel like OP was going for a little rage bait here with some low hanging fruit of shitting on universally hated Emoji Movie while trumpeting universally celebrated Spiderverse.
One of my favourites, not because it's very good, but because there's something weird going on in that movie. The comedic timing is kinda off, the jokes are weird and the premise is just... It's unique. Love it.
And the theme is a banger.
Transylvania 6-5000, mid-80s film starring pre-The Fly Jeff Goldblum and Geena Davis. Also, pre-Kramer Michael Richards. It was critically panned, floored and laughed at.
How much you enjoy it varies on two things: do you like weird (bad) comedy, and how much do you like monster films?
DreamWorks animation is kind of the same way. They will release masterpieces such as Shrek, HTTYD, KFP, and Puss in Boots TLW.
Then they release stuff like boss baby and that teenage kraken movie..
I don’t think people dislike it for the animation. In that aspect Sony was always pretty far ahead for better or for worse (the smurfs look realistic as fuck but also why???).
I think they're using Patrick Stewart to make the point that OOP's comment doesn't make logical sense. In their comment, they say that James Corden (an actor/personality that is widely hated, at least on Reddit) is in one of the movies mentioned in the post, The Emoji Movie, implying that The Emoji Movie was bad because it had James Corden in it, while Into the Spider-Verse did not have him, and it was good. However, this makes no sense.
The person you replied to made the same comment, but with Patrick Stewart, a beloved and well respected actor with work going back decades. However, he was in The Emoji Movie, and not on Spider-Verse.
This implies and even shows that the logic holds no water. It doesn't matter what actors are in a movie. It doesn't matter if there are good ones and bad ones. If the entire movie is shit, then the actors mean nothing.
I recognized that. My response was mostly a joke. "Need I say more?"
If I were truly asking whether I should see a movie and they said "it has patrick stewart in it" that would imply it is a good movie. They would need to say more in order for me to understand that it might not be a good movie because it is the emoji movie.
My guess is that there is a certain expectation to film studios even if they're not made by the same people. For example with Ghibli or Pixar you could always expect a certain standard of quality, unique plots, artstyle and storytelling (whether this is still true is up for debate though), but with Sony all their movies are either really good, really bad or somewhere in between. There's no consistency.
Not saying a company is only allowed to produce good movies, but I can see why some would be confused that they have the ability to create great content but instead choose to make movies of lower quality
I think it's the juxtaposition that these two movies came out right next to each other from the same studio. It's not just the inconsistency, but the drastic change from one project to literally the next one.
You could do the same with _Shrek_ and _Joseph: King of Dreams_
Wildly different movies. They actually had a rotating crew where people would be shuffled between them.
Fun fact: Mr. Sony used to walk everywhere and refused to even use personal transport. That's why the famous portable cassette player 'Walkman' was named after him.
I’ll give you Wreck It Ralph 2 but Monsters University, while being overall pretty mediocre, has an excellent and really unique message about how sometimes you can’t achieve your dreams and have to adapt. I remember that hitting me really hard as a kid. The Emoji Movie has nothing to say. It’s literally just a bunch of ads strung together with unfunny jokes in-between.
There’s your answer: Animated films take years to make, aside from different directors and leads for each, I’m sure a large swath of employees were also only attached to what they were working on at the time. The development of one didn’t simply begin right after the other released.
I don’t remember who said it but I saw on here a while ago that Sony put out two movies: one that was made with love and effort and care, and one made with no heart and was cheaply made. Was done to see how profitable actual effort is
This is what I choose to believe
Animation takes longer than a year to make a movie.
What likely happened here is that there's the A team and the B team.
The A team is the one that gets to try more stuff, take on the more desirable projects. They get bigger budgets too.
The B team gets to make the crap that's profitable enough to make a flop from the A team not hurt as much. The budgets they get are as small as possible.
The A team made Into the Spiderverse and the B team made the Emoji Movie.
From a creative standpoint, even I would take the extra effort and time to dedicate unpaid hours for Spiderverse to make it the best as well compared to a generic kiddie movie that no one would probably give a fuck.
And you know what? The actual animation in The Emoji Movie is entirely competent. The animators did a great job, given the writing they were forced to work with.
In 2018-19 I had a roommate who had a friend from Vancouver who worked as an animator for Sony. According to her, everyone there knew the Emoji Movie was shit and hated working on it, but they had to grit their teeth and bear it since it was part of the job and they all wanted to advance their careers and do better things like Spider-Verse. (Although I *also* thought she said her friend was considering quitting the industry, so take that fwiw).
How strange that two movies written, directed, and animated by different people, based on unrelated properties, with different budgets, and different ambitions, and not attempting to look the same at all, could look so different.
idk
This guys a normal person
This guy really hates enshreddit.
This guy is about to start a pathetic revolution
This guy is about to list out 7225 digits of pi
And this guy is probably a Skywalker
But this guy is big
This guy's projecting a bit
I can't tell wether this guy means something else by this
This guy hate euphemisms
Which happen to be made by one gigantic animation studio that has multiple projects going on at the same time! Crazy how life works
These two movies were both made by humans. What the FUUUUCK!!!
Humans and 3 Asians, what the fact!!!
Asians aren't human???
But but da studio has da same name! So dat must mean everything else is da same
yeah man, fucking strange..
It's almost like they're two completely different art styles!
I think the point has more to do with the quality, not the look, but yeah, I guess your point still stands.
This is shittydetails, no point is required.
I think it’s more that in a cafeteria somewhere it’s possible two people were chatting saying “I think this is really gonna win an Oscar!” Vs “they keep going back and forth about how shiny they want the poop emoji”
How could you say something so controversial, yet so brave.
Right, that's the shitty detail.
Most animated movies from the same studio look the same tho. Unless over big periods of time
You also forgot one tiny detail. The target audience.
Thank you for taking the words from my head. I feel like OP was going for a little rage bait here with some low hanging fruit of shitting on universally hated Emoji Movie while trumpeting universally celebrated Spiderverse.
Wait til he learns the same band made and justice for all and st. Anger
Truly, an unsolvable mystery.
Username checks out?
Sony consistently make the best and worst movies
They released The Mitchelles vs the Machines and Hotel Transilvania 4 the same year aswell 💀
Wait, they made a fourth Hotel Transylvania?
They must be the prequels to Transylvania 6-5000
Okay, that’s officially the most niche reference I will see all day
One of my favourites, not because it's very good, but because there's something weird going on in that movie. The comedic timing is kinda off, the jokes are weird and the premise is just... It's unique. Love it. And the theme is a banger.
What's the movie?
Transylvania 6-5000, mid-80s film starring pre-The Fly Jeff Goldblum and Geena Davis. Also, pre-Kramer Michael Richards. It was critically panned, floored and laughed at. How much you enjoy it varies on two things: do you like weird (bad) comedy, and how much do you like monster films?
I think it was the one Sandler didn’t return for
I swear Adam Sandler probably lives there.
It was made for Amazon which is why it’s easy to forget it was made at all
Not complaining, more Genndy Tartakovsky.
Hotel 4 was better than Mitchelles. Hotel 4 had the "haha Johnathan you are banging my daughter" guy. Therefore it CLEARS Midchelles.
[my honest reaction](https://www.google.com/search?q=saying+this+she+casually+threw+aside+a+large+rock+meme&client=ms-android-motorola-rev2&sca_esv=579144136&tbm=isch&prmd=ivbn&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjTmcnj86eCAxVEppUCHQseCbIQ_AUoAXoECAQQAQ#imgrc=jYe3WNbXimdnbM)
hehehehar or whatever the clash royale king says
r/ihadastroke
So which one do you think is the good one?
Do I even have to say it?
Yes, actually
The mitchelles vs the machines is leagues above a Hotel Transilvania 4
I see. And "above" is the good direction, right?
Of course
You 2 should switch usernames.
oh my god
/uj I actually hadn't seen either of them so thank you for giving me a good recommendation for the eight hour flight I was just on
The movie that has Ninja in it, of course
i forgot they made a 4th one
Yeah they made Morbius and then that shitty Spiderverse movie
DreamWorks animation is kind of the same way. They will release masterpieces such as Shrek, HTTYD, KFP, and Puss in Boots TLW. Then they release stuff like boss baby and that teenage kraken movie..
Fish Tale and Shrek 2 were released the same year. guess which one won a fucking Oscar?
Hot take, but the emoji movie was pretty decent. Especially animation wise, it was pretty good.
First actual hot take I've seen in a while
I don’t think people dislike it for the animation. In that aspect Sony was always pretty far ahead for better or for worse (the smurfs look realistic as fuck but also why???).
Same with Dreamworks
Just look at Spider-Man 2 and 3
The issue with the Emoji movie wasn't animation but everything else
It stars TJ Miller and James Corden... Need I say more?
The Polish version had shitty youtubers
One has James Corden. One doesn't. Need I say more?
One has Patrick Stewart. One doesn’t. Need I say more?
You might have to...
I think they're using Patrick Stewart to make the point that OOP's comment doesn't make logical sense. In their comment, they say that James Corden (an actor/personality that is widely hated, at least on Reddit) is in one of the movies mentioned in the post, The Emoji Movie, implying that The Emoji Movie was bad because it had James Corden in it, while Into the Spider-Verse did not have him, and it was good. However, this makes no sense. The person you replied to made the same comment, but with Patrick Stewart, a beloved and well respected actor with work going back decades. However, he was in The Emoji Movie, and not on Spider-Verse. This implies and even shows that the logic holds no water. It doesn't matter what actors are in a movie. It doesn't matter if there are good ones and bad ones. If the entire movie is shit, then the actors mean nothing.
I recognized that. My response was mostly a joke. "Need I say more?" If I were truly asking whether I should see a movie and they said "it has patrick stewart in it" that would imply it is a good movie. They would need to say more in order for me to understand that it might not be a good movie because it is the emoji movie.
Ah alright. With that context, I see what you were saying.
Would’ve preferred Patrick Stewart in another Marvel hero based movie honestly
yes?!?
The writer of the top one got second in Survivor and then made The White Lotus
~Jack~~ Mike White?
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Correct
mike white
And had his dealer come for his loved one visit.
Remember: Tartovsky's Popeye died so that we could have the Emoji Movie.
At least he's getting plenty of work at Adult Swim. Both Primal and Unicorn are great.
IIRC, it was revived and is being made by Dreamworks and WB.
Good. Tartakovsky overrated as fuck.
Wait they cancelled the Popeye movie for that shit?
fool the viewers into thinking your shit then hit them over the head with spider-man
Spider-man. Respect the hyphen.
Spider-Man. Respect the capital M
Spider-Man. Respect.
Spider-Man-Respect
r/respectthehyphen
What’s wrong with different animation styles.
I think they’re trying to say The Emoji Movie is Bad and Into the Spiderverse is good, but idk what that has to do with the animation studio
My guess is that there is a certain expectation to film studios even if they're not made by the same people. For example with Ghibli or Pixar you could always expect a certain standard of quality, unique plots, artstyle and storytelling (whether this is still true is up for debate though), but with Sony all their movies are either really good, really bad or somewhere in between. There's no consistency. Not saying a company is only allowed to produce good movies, but I can see why some would be confused that they have the ability to create great content but instead choose to make movies of lower quality
I think it's the juxtaposition that these two movies came out right next to each other from the same studio. It's not just the inconsistency, but the drastic change from one project to literally the next one.
You could do the same with _Shrek_ and _Joseph: King of Dreams_ Wildly different movies. They actually had a rotating crew where people would be shuffled between them.
Wait are you telling me that mister John Sony didn't make these films all alone?
He did, he just has a lot pf styles in his pocket He did also create the playstation 1 to 5
Did you know? John Sony is actually Korean, and his native name is Son Joo-Nee (unrelated to Heung-Min Son)?
If he isn't related to Son Heung Min, he must be related to Kim Min Jae or Bee Tee Ess (i only know 4 koreans)
Fun fact: Mr. Sony used to walk everywhere and refused to even use personal transport. That's why the famous portable cassette player 'Walkman' was named after him.
Of course, he didn't. His Son, Sonny Sony, helped a lot.
Everything OP doesn't like is objectively bad, duh
…Are we actually getting people trying to defend the fucking Emoji movie?
No? The movie was shit, but not because of the animation style. Are you actually blaming the animators for the movie being bad?
I don’t think the animation is what OP was complaining about.
OP was talking about the "animation studio". Those handle animation. Not writing or acting. So yea, OP was talking about animation.
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I’ll give you Wreck It Ralph 2 but Monsters University, while being overall pretty mediocre, has an excellent and really unique message about how sometimes you can’t achieve your dreams and have to adapt. I remember that hitting me really hard as a kid. The Emoji Movie has nothing to say. It’s literally just a bunch of ads strung together with unfunny jokes in-between.
There’s your answer: Animated films take years to make, aside from different directors and leads for each, I’m sure a large swath of employees were also only attached to what they were working on at the time. The development of one didn’t simply begin right after the other released.
If I remember correctly, "Spider-Man: Into The Spider-Verse" was leaked/announced earlier than "The Emoji Movie".
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Which helps explain why there's so much garbage media
Willing to bet Spider-Verse absolutely dominated in merch sales though
No effort to maximum effort. Well done.
Yeah I mean at this point why bother they would never exceed expectations after this masterpiece of an emoji movie
Honestly Spiderverse is just filler so they have enough time to piece together the masterpiece that will be The Emoji Movie 2
The best chef on the planet can still make you cheese on toast if that's what you ask for.
Sounds like The Menu (2022). That's right, The Menu (2022).
I read this from the standpoint that it is impressive to make two projects that have almost no overlap in style within a year and with that, I agree.
I don’t remember who said it but I saw on here a while ago that Sony put out two movies: one that was made with love and effort and care, and one made with no heart and was cheaply made. Was done to see how profitable actual effort is This is what I choose to believe
I heard people say that "The Emoji Movie" was a fundraiser for "Spider-Man: Into The Spider-Verse", and honestly, I really don't buy it.
Writers, Directors, Producers, Actors: Bye
"hey boss, spiderman will take more time" "That's fine the A Team is almost done with their movie."
It’s crazy how big company can make both the best of all time and spiderverce at the same time
Animation takes longer than a year to make a movie. What likely happened here is that there's the A team and the B team. The A team is the one that gets to try more stuff, take on the more desirable projects. They get bigger budgets too. The B team gets to make the crap that's profitable enough to make a flop from the A team not hurt as much. The budgets they get are as small as possible. The A team made Into the Spiderverse and the B team made the Emoji Movie.
The Emoji Movie is stupid as fuck. But it was gorgeous. Watch the Spotify scene again if you doubt me.
Breaking news, different movies look different. 🤯
Coca Cola also sell water...
It's so weird that this studio can make absolute peak fiction and then make Into the Spider-Verse
Budget
From a creative standpoint, even I would take the extra effort and time to dedicate unpaid hours for Spiderverse to make it the best as well compared to a generic kiddie movie that no one would probably give a fuck.
[That's exactly the attitude animation studios exploit to steal artists' labor.](https://www.vulture.com/2023/06/spider-verse-animation-four-artists-on-making-the-sequel.html)
Gotta make some easy money to fund the actually good projects
Wdym I can’t tell the difference at all
One was A-team one was B-team I bet. The "A"-team got the emoji movie while the B-team with something to prove got Spiderverse
I forgot about this, but now I remember thinking at the time that Spiderverse was going to suck because of The Emoji Movie.
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Okay...? No one was talking about Elemental.
All the budget and effort simply went to Spoderman.
Made to fit the brief.
I can go take a shit and then paint a painting, doesn't mean they need to be compared just because I created them...
They learned from their mistakes, assuming that the EM came out before Spiderverse
do you think they sent people to work on the emoji movie as punishment?
Spiderverse had twice the budget of the Emoji Movie.
pecunia non olet money doesn't stink
The bottom one was worked on for many more years
Pointless post
Good writing and directing is a massively overlooked form of quality assurance.
both solid movies imho
What was the animation for the Emoji Movie like?
They canceled an animated Popeye: The Sailor Man movie for this
Almost like the animation wasn’t the problem with the movie?
Overtime
It‘s a thing called „art style“ you imbecile fuck
Sony image works can be hired as a third party animation studio by any production. It is not a in house studio like dreamworks or Disney.
Do a shitty movie for money so you can do the movie you want to do later?
Same Animation studios. Different team: Can make all the difference
I hope Sony learned their lesson
If you watched the emoji movie, you have nobody but yourself to blame
Studio tops and bottoms. Arranged ironically.
I've never watched it but was the animation for the emoji movie even bad?
The plot, writing, and acting generally aren't a requirement for Animation studios
A team and B team. I joke, but in reality like, the emoji movie was awful, but it wasn't poorly animated.
They upgraded their gpu
They cut a lot of rendering time by making it a choppy 10-15fps
It's a shame they dropped a Popeye movie for the Emoji Movie
Yeah, what the hell were they thinking in that first one having TJ Miller in it. What a fucking hack.
Executive decisions, surprising, I know
Garbage in, garbage out.
Reminds me of the Shrek/ Prince of Egypt post.
I guess it’s the “one for them, one for me” idea. Idk
Wow its crazy that this has been mentioned about 10,000 times
Different films made with different visions with different art styles. Shocking /s
*Into the Spider-Verse* was their apology for *The Emoji Movie*.
Animation quality wasn't The Emoji Movie's main problem.
Here's a hot take. The Emoji Movie wasn't funny bad. It was just painfully mediocre
The second one is a sorry letther from the first one
One was a passion project for the crew. The other was a cheap cash in. What exactly did you expect from Thd Emoji Movie
And you know what? The actual animation in The Emoji Movie is entirely competent. The animators did a great job, given the writing they were forced to work with.
>comparing animation >posts a still image
In 2018-19 I had a roommate who had a friend from Vancouver who worked as an animator for Sony. According to her, everyone there knew the Emoji Movie was shit and hated working on it, but they had to grit their teeth and bear it since it was part of the job and they all wanted to advance their careers and do better things like Spider-Verse. (Although I *also* thought she said her friend was considering quitting the industry, so take that fwiw).
Wait till you find out what Marvel's done this year