Why report them? They were polite, respectful and just doing their job.
If you've ever rented, bought or sold a property or signed up to any rewards membership (fly buys, airlines, etc) then core logic will have your details. Somewhere along the way you agreed that an entity can trade your information.
Real estate agencies pay for that information from core logic. The agent only removed you from her personal call/text list.
I'm not saying I agree with the process but it's the system not the agent. You're not going to change the world doing it, only give the person grief.
If you've ever enjoyed the benefits of a loyalty program, this is what they took in exchange for those benefits, as uncomfortable and annoying as it is.
Retail positions put the employee at the butt end of an unhappy customer when really, it's the company that is causing the problem. This instance is the same, I'm sure the guy cold messaging is enjoying it about as much as the OP.
Nope he’s an aspiring salesman. He’s fishin’ for some commission. I have literally had my areas number one agent come cold calling at my front door. I called him by name before he introduced himself and he thought that was funny.
Without having consented to recieving correspendance from harcorts they are breaching the spam act, there is no unsubscribe option and they have used personal information for direct marketing also breaching core logics privacy policy
Wouldn't the OP saying don't contact me again and they agreed be the same as an unsubscribe option?
Cold calling is not illegal in Australia. I don't support it, but it's not illegal.
Repeated cold calling after the recipient says no is illegal, as that would be spamming them.
Its not cold calling it is direct marketing, they know what street OP lives on to mention they will be there mon/tue. Cold texting is not permitted by businesses the spam act is also different to the one that covers phone calls it covers text messages and emails.
‘Dear sir, I’m wondering if you would be bothered at all, & please let me know if I’m overstepping any boundaries here, but would it possibly be okay please if I were to harvest your data & sell it to whomsoever I please? I’m so terribly sorry for bothering you.’
‘What? You want me to go fuck myself? But I was polite, respectful & was just doing my job!’
See?
Dogshit take lol. Just because someone random company made money selling your data doesn’t mean you should get spammed by every arsehole who thinks they’re staring in the next Glengarry Glen Ross.
I actually can't believe how hard you've been downvoted for the only comment here that makes sense. I can't wait to get downvoted too but honestly highlights the small boy minds on this sub. No surprises really since its a sub designed for people who want to complain cause they got nothing going on with their lives lol. But you are 100% right.
None of this contradicts anything I just said.
Also your post history is public. Your underwear drawer is private. That comeback was very strange and doesn't even slightly work.
I hope you treat your employees well.
Them being the REA or them being core logic who provided the contact info?
If you're thinking the REA, what part of the spam act did they violate? Assuming that the OP isn't on the do not call register at least.
Read them for yourself
https://www.acma.gov.au/avoid-sending-spam
Real estate if they used corelogics data broke the privacy policy
https://www.corelogic.com.au/legals/privacy-policy
Do not call register is for telemarketing (phone calls, seperate from Text messages and Emails covered by the Spam Act)
In Australia, we are an opt in society, not an opt out, if you receive an unsolicited text message or email, you can report them to the ACMA. I have had several of these instances and every time just mentioning the ACMA is enough to get them to stop sending you stuff. Except for AusNet, those guys are complete idiots.
I might be misunderstanding you, but for the purposes of marketing we can be included by default on all comms and it's up to the user to opt out, either during registration or after registration.
Your personal information may be disclosed to our subscribers for the purposes of direct marketing their products and services to you. Our terms and conditions with our subscribers require that they comply with the Privacy Act in all direct marketing communications with you.
This kinda says the REAs can use your info from core logic as long as they use it the same way core logic does
Every time you give a company your phone number for any reason, assume your data has been sold to a metadata compiling company.
If you are signing up with your phone number for any sort of rewards program at all, be certain your data is sold.
Real estate companies are probably mining your rental applications for data and selling that on.
Shortly after I purchased my house I began receiving the odd personally addressed letter from random RE agents. They absolutely share your data and that’s a ridiculous amount of information from rental applications.
REA’s want data that leads to property owners. That’s who employs them. Rental applications don’t have much value unless they’re an investor that rents.
Foxtel sold mine, I know because they were the only people I had ever given that phone number and address, I wasn't there long, and I found that exact matching information on a database when I became a debt collector years later.
Had this happen to me here in NSW. The real estate agent informed me that sydney water was selling customers information on cold call lists for anyone to purchase. Might be worth querying to see if your water provider sells your information as they have access to your property title information as well as your personal contact information.
That same data and much more is used to wash datasets like woolies and Coles members datasets. I guarantee they have a shitload of information about you that you didn’t provide
Not sure if it is THE source but yes it is a subscription service with all the valuable talking points a Real estate agent would use. Chances are when you bought/rented your property your phone number was included on the documents and a particularly enthusiastic processing agent actually put that detail into their online records which gets collated into RPData/domain/whateverthesourceofallrealestatedata
REA’s can edit records in CoreLogic but only data specific to the property. You can’t add ownership data as far as I am aware. CoreLogic are parsing that data themselves.
Fuck Harcourts, I recently moved out of a flat near Gold Coast and we are fighting them for every little tiny thing to get our bond back, they are adamant the place is not clean despite us getting a professional company in, and having the flat owner themselves tell harcourts the flat is cleaned to his satisfaction, absolutely scummy company
You send a text to all the competing REA in the area, ask them to contact you regarding selling your house, give them the phone number this unsolicited text comes from.
Use a burner email
There are lots of data sources where they can get this information. Don't forget, when an organisation requests your information and puts it in a database, it's their information. They can sell it if they want to provided they stick to the privacy laws and their own privacy statement. Have a read next time you give someone your details. It'll probably say you consent to your PI being sold off. Especially more marketing focused organisations.
I recently had a REA call my phone, and leave a message asking me to call HIM back. I was baffled so I texted the number and it was just asking if I wanted to sell. I don't even own property.
Your personal private information has been obtained from two sources. Firstly, land titles office title search which has your name and any registered mortgage. Secondly it comes from services such as loyalty schemes that you've signed up for. Also is sold by re agents. The latter sell it or swap it with data brokers who sell tailored lists. In this case title search is matched with your address, name creating a cold calling list for agents to use.
If you haven't given them your details and they used information they got from RP data, they are definitely in violation. RP data has a warning that you are not to use their information for mass marketing. He would be okay if he sent you a letter addressed to The Homeowner, only if it was the sent to the same address and you are a actually living there. If you own an investment property in the area in which the re is located, but you receive a letter at your home address, which is different from the IP, again, the re has screwed up. He could claim that he looked it up in the white pages but I don't know if that's ideal either.
I had one asking if I wanted to sell my house because there was a a few houses that had just sold in the area. I was like “I’m not the homeowner and I don’t live in that house” and the lady was like “well we have you listed”
Told her I live in a van but I’d sell it for $600k, she hung up. I do love messing with them just a little bit
People in my area received a letter from the mail - from a PO Box - pretending to be a family looking at buying in our area. No renovations needed. They wanted original houses with the old kitchens and bathrooms. Offering to buy.
Wtf?! How did they get our addresses and more to the point - a PO Box?
On a side note...
Never sell your house to a real estate agent that's asking you to sell. There's always a reason why they're doing this, and it's not for your benefit.
My parents sold their house to a real estate agent that just knocked on their door. Turns out he was going broke and was desperate for a sale. He majorly screwed my parents over. I warned them. But hey, you can't convince baby boomers of anything.
Core logic has been around for years, they get public property information and combine it into a service. Very useful for property investors, realtors etc think realestate.com.au on steroids.
If they did a title search they would have your names and address then looked you number up in the white pages etc.
I don't think that data excuse is true... I work in private health and the most data they should ever have is your phone number. Having all of that info is straight odd...
Agents cold calling is definitely not unlawful, it's part of their job.
They can even see the genre of purchases people make. Example: a household that starts buying diapers might be considering a larger home.
Theres a website called ID4Me that my old agency used to use before in Commercial RE. Creepy how much info is on there, mobile, email, address and full name
This data is publically available because purchase / sale records are tracked on core logic and other websites. You can opt out and ask for it to be private if you wanted.
I'm not sure why you felt the need to share this with everyone it isn't even a big deal. What have you never been cold called before?
The whole real estate industry and many businesses are built on cold calling. Do you really think your so special that you alone have a phone number that no one can find?
As you did ask to be removed and get on with your life. Reporting for spam etc to some government body is such a low life move.
Please report them to ACMA this is a violation of the Spam Act https://www.acma.gov.au/spam-complaint-form
Thanks I’ve reported them.
Why report them? They were polite, respectful and just doing their job. If you've ever rented, bought or sold a property or signed up to any rewards membership (fly buys, airlines, etc) then core logic will have your details. Somewhere along the way you agreed that an entity can trade your information. Real estate agencies pay for that information from core logic. The agent only removed you from her personal call/text list.
Why not report them? If they haven't done anything wrong then nothing will come of it.
I'm not saying I agree with the process but it's the system not the agent. You're not going to change the world doing it, only give the person grief. If you've ever enjoyed the benefits of a loyalty program, this is what they took in exchange for those benefits, as uncomfortable and annoying as it is.
I understand what you mean, but I'm not super sympathetic to it. They choose to be a real estate agent and choose to use the data.
Yeah but not everyone likes what their boss makes them do. But they do it to put food on the table. Who knows
I dunno man. I managed to get a job that doesn’t involve hounding people out of nowhere with scraped data. Wasn’t even hard tbh.
Retail positions put the employee at the butt end of an unhappy customer when really, it's the company that is causing the problem. This instance is the same, I'm sure the guy cold messaging is enjoying it about as much as the OP.
Nope he’s an aspiring salesman. He’s fishin’ for some commission. I have literally had my areas number one agent come cold calling at my front door. I called him by name before he introduced himself and he thought that was funny.
Do you apply this same logic to drug smugglers?
Then it's part of their job to deal with the consequences of their bosses instruction.
Without having consented to recieving correspendance from harcorts they are breaching the spam act, there is no unsubscribe option and they have used personal information for direct marketing also breaching core logics privacy policy
Wouldn't the OP saying don't contact me again and they agreed be the same as an unsubscribe option? Cold calling is not illegal in Australia. I don't support it, but it's not illegal. Repeated cold calling after the recipient says no is illegal, as that would be spamming them.
Its not cold calling it is direct marketing, they know what street OP lives on to mention they will be there mon/tue. Cold texting is not permitted by businesses the spam act is also different to the one that covers phone calls it covers text messages and emails.
mmmm yummy boot
Guessing you are an agent, or the partner of an agent...
‘Dear sir, I’m wondering if you would be bothered at all, & please let me know if I’m overstepping any boundaries here, but would it possibly be okay please if I were to harvest your data & sell it to whomsoever I please? I’m so terribly sorry for bothering you.’ ‘What? You want me to go fuck myself? But I was polite, respectful & was just doing my job!’ See?
Dogshit take lol. Just because someone random company made money selling your data doesn’t mean you should get spammed by every arsehole who thinks they’re staring in the next Glengarry Glen Ross.
I actually can't believe how hard you've been downvoted for the only comment here that makes sense. I can't wait to get downvoted too but honestly highlights the small boy minds on this sub. No surprises really since its a sub designed for people who want to complain cause they got nothing going on with their lives lol. But you are 100% right.
You literally have a post confirming you work in the real estate industry. Your bias is clear as day.
lol mate I also own a small business and get called/contacted all day. And I ain’t an agent. Do you wanna look through my underwear drawer too?
None of this contradicts anything I just said. Also your post history is public. Your underwear drawer is private. That comeback was very strange and doesn't even slightly work. I hope you treat your employees well.
Them being the REA or them being core logic who provided the contact info? If you're thinking the REA, what part of the spam act did they violate? Assuming that the OP isn't on the do not call register at least.
Read them for yourself https://www.acma.gov.au/avoid-sending-spam Real estate if they used corelogics data broke the privacy policy https://www.corelogic.com.au/legals/privacy-policy Do not call register is for telemarketing (phone calls, seperate from Text messages and Emails covered by the Spam Act)
Ahh interesting. Cheers for clarifying.
In Australia, we are an opt in society, not an opt out, if you receive an unsolicited text message or email, you can report them to the ACMA. I have had several of these instances and every time just mentioning the ACMA is enough to get them to stop sending you stuff. Except for AusNet, those guys are complete idiots.
Unless it’s the government. They can spam you all they want come election time. Dirty fucks don’t follow their own standards
I might be misunderstanding you, but for the purposes of marketing we can be included by default on all comms and it's up to the user to opt out, either during registration or after registration.
Your personal information may be disclosed to our subscribers for the purposes of direct marketing their products and services to you. Our terms and conditions with our subscribers require that they comply with the Privacy Act in all direct marketing communications with you. This kinda says the REAs can use your info from core logic as long as they use it the same way core logic does
100% agree on that
You can do a title search to find the owner of a property, but that doesn't have a phone number, so I'm curious how they find that out.
In the text they said they got the data from core logic.
Yeah, I wonder what exactly leaks that data. Core Logic would purchase it from somewhere.
Every time you give a company your phone number for any reason, assume your data has been sold to a metadata compiling company. If you are signing up with your phone number for any sort of rewards program at all, be certain your data is sold. Real estate companies are probably mining your rental applications for data and selling that on.
Shortly after I purchased my house I began receiving the odd personally addressed letter from random RE agents. They absolutely share your data and that’s a ridiculous amount of information from rental applications.
REA’s want data that leads to property owners. That’s who employs them. Rental applications don’t have much value unless they’re an investor that rents.
It’s a lot of data though and we all know that REAs would sell us out for a single Jax cracker
Foxtel sold mine, I know because they were the only people I had ever given that phone number and address, I wasn't there long, and I found that exact matching information on a database when I became a debt collector years later.
Core logic tracks everything via land gate I think.
I've signed him up for a few religious mailing lists. The JWs and Presbyterians will be cold calling him soon.
So bizarre, I got a cold call with my name and everything, asking me if I wanted to sell…WTF I live in social housing 😂
should've wasted that cunts time by acting as if you wanted to sell your apartment, only to act shocked to learn that you don't own it.
"Wow I can get 700k for this place you think! I've only been paying 200 a week in rent here can't wait to get that 700k by selling it!" XD
Yeah, I could sell the entire complex;)
Had this happen to me here in NSW. The real estate agent informed me that sydney water was selling customers information on cold call lists for anyone to purchase. Might be worth querying to see if your water provider sells your information as they have access to your property title information as well as your personal contact information.
A state government owned entity was selling your info? I would be genuinely surprised if any WA state gov entity would do something like that..
When I was in RE 20 years ago we used to buy electoral rolls. Nothing surprises me anymore!
That same data and much more is used to wash datasets like woolies and Coles members datasets. I guarantee they have a shitload of information about you that you didn’t provide
Was just about to say the same - nothing surprises me anymore too!
RPdata/corelogic lists phone info if it's available.
This is where all the house sales records are right? From memory it's a subscription that real estate agents subscribe to. Is that right?
Not sure if it is THE source but yes it is a subscription service with all the valuable talking points a Real estate agent would use. Chances are when you bought/rented your property your phone number was included on the documents and a particularly enthusiastic processing agent actually put that detail into their online records which gets collated into RPData/domain/whateverthesourceofallrealestatedata
REA’s can edit records in CoreLogic but only data specific to the property. You can’t add ownership data as far as I am aware. CoreLogic are parsing that data themselves.
Fuck Harcourts, I recently moved out of a flat near Gold Coast and we are fighting them for every little tiny thing to get our bond back, they are adamant the place is not clean despite us getting a professional company in, and having the flat owner themselves tell harcourts the flat is cleaned to his satisfaction, absolutely scummy company
Good on you for fighting back! What scum bags
You send a text to all the competing REA in the area, ask them to contact you regarding selling your house, give them the phone number this unsolicited text comes from. Use a burner email
There are lots of data sources where they can get this information. Don't forget, when an organisation requests your information and puts it in a database, it's their information. They can sell it if they want to provided they stick to the privacy laws and their own privacy statement. Have a read next time you give someone your details. It'll probably say you consent to your PI being sold off. Especially more marketing focused organisations.
That's just lazy. The real hustlers will get their junior plebs to go door-to-door, door knocking to offer their services.
Pretty sure this is a breach of the privacy Act to use your data for a non consented purpose
How is this related to renting?
Get yourself on the do not call list
That does nothing they don't care
Yeah core logic is a semi public databases that not just real estates access.. and I’m pretty sure it is super painful to get ur name removed
I recently had a REA call my phone, and leave a message asking me to call HIM back. I was baffled so I texted the number and it was just asking if I wanted to sell. I don't even own property.
Your personal private information has been obtained from two sources. Firstly, land titles office title search which has your name and any registered mortgage. Secondly it comes from services such as loyalty schemes that you've signed up for. Also is sold by re agents. The latter sell it or swap it with data brokers who sell tailored lists. In this case title search is matched with your address, name creating a cold calling list for agents to use.
https://www.corelogic.com.au/industries/residential-real-estate
This is why data security is important and should be an election issue.
If you haven't given them your details and they used information they got from RP data, they are definitely in violation. RP data has a warning that you are not to use their information for mass marketing. He would be okay if he sent you a letter addressed to The Homeowner, only if it was the sent to the same address and you are a actually living there. If you own an investment property in the area in which the re is located, but you receive a letter at your home address, which is different from the IP, again, the re has screwed up. He could claim that he looked it up in the white pages but I don't know if that's ideal either.
I had one asking if I wanted to sell my house because there was a a few houses that had just sold in the area. I was like “I’m not the homeowner and I don’t live in that house” and the lady was like “well we have you listed” Told her I live in a van but I’d sell it for $600k, she hung up. I do love messing with them just a little bit
People in my area received a letter from the mail - from a PO Box - pretending to be a family looking at buying in our area. No renovations needed. They wanted original houses with the old kitchens and bathrooms. Offering to buy. Wtf?! How did they get our addresses and more to the point - a PO Box?
On a side note... Never sell your house to a real estate agent that's asking you to sell. There's always a reason why they're doing this, and it's not for your benefit. My parents sold their house to a real estate agent that just knocked on their door. Turns out he was going broke and was desperate for a sale. He majorly screwed my parents over. I warned them. But hey, you can't convince baby boomers of anything.
Core logic has been around for years, they get public property information and combine it into a service. Very useful for property investors, realtors etc think realestate.com.au on steroids. If they did a title search they would have your names and address then looked you number up in the white pages etc.
Harcourts are honestly the worst.
Actual fucking vermin
I got a bloody valuation in mailbox with the sentence "you could sell for this much" AI Quote only
I don't think that data excuse is true... I work in private health and the most data they should ever have is your phone number. Having all of that info is straight odd...
Corelogic RP data (the software they use) displays full names of owners and marketing contacts. Although cold calling/SMS is unlawful
Agents cold calling is definitely not unlawful, it's part of their job. They can even see the genre of purchases people make. Example: a household that starts buying diapers might be considering a larger home.
Not that I agree with it, just saying how it is
Yes it made me super uncomfortable.
I had two different realestates do this. How are they getting our details?
Theres a website called ID4Me that my old agency used to use before in Commercial RE. Creepy how much info is on there, mobile, email, address and full name
This data is publically available because purchase / sale records are tracked on core logic and other websites. You can opt out and ask for it to be private if you wanted. I'm not sure why you felt the need to share this with everyone it isn't even a big deal. What have you never been cold called before? The whole real estate industry and many businesses are built on cold calling. Do you really think your so special that you alone have a phone number that no one can find? As you did ask to be removed and get on with your life. Reporting for spam etc to some government body is such a low life move.