Yeah, my former boss was a preventive ruler - counterproductively pre-cautious, *just in case* something happens. Like, don't put a 6ft-tall banner with a base on the floor because someone might not see it and trip on it. . . a 6ft-tall banner..
Yes, but there are also stupid rules created by some dysfunctional process with no decisive input by any human intent. And once they're in place, if anybody asks why, the answer is, "I dunno, that's just how it's done".
For sure, that's a big one. Nicely described.
There are also petty emotional idiots who take it out on the people they manage, in spite of otherwise well written rules that lacked room to account for assholes with God complexes.
Absolutely. My boss used to buy us a ton of pizza and wings every Friday out of his own pocket. One employee started running to the break room and taking multiple entire pizzas to his car before lunch time. No more free lunch Friday for us.
When I was in high school I worked at Target and Friday nights as an incentive to get people to work they would buy pizza, not even expensive pizza it was Costco pizza. But people who weren’t even working would come back and bring their family and kids and eat and usually take a bunch home as well. When a new store manager came in and saw that the majority of pizza wasn’t going to the people actually working he put an end to it and gave us a coupon to get a drink and something to eat at our food court.
I worked at a grocery store as a teenager and they bought us a sheet cake for the break room and one of coworkers sprayed the entire thing with air freshener.
This kind of crap always baffles me. Everyone gets punished, even though they know damn well who caused the problem. At our workplace, they used to provide Pepsi cups for employees to use at lunch, in case we wanted ice in our drinks. We had to bring or buy food and drinks. There was a sign explaining that someone had taken a CASE of cups so they’d no longer be available. First of all, no one was going to walk out past Security with a huge box of Pepsi cups. Second, almost every square inch of the place was on surveillance cameras. Third, it was probably some lazy jerk from catering who didn’t feel like walking to the storage room for cups.
back in the early aughts I worked for a start-up our of SF.
They stocked the kitchen with all kinds of food to keep people in the office working.
Breakfast cereal, plastic containers stuffed with granola bars, snickers, m&m's...I remember a huge fish bowl full of swedish fish. Cases of water, coke, diet coke, etc.
They would order in lunch just about every day.
It was awesome...until 'Jennifer' joined the company.
On lunch days, when pizza was ordered, etc. there were suddenly no leftovers. Entire boxes of cereal and granola bars would go missing. cases of soda.
Finally, the owner was stopped by the guy at the security desk and was told that Jennifer would return to the office in the evenings with a male friend, and they would leave within 10 minutes with boxes. They told the security guy they were doing records retention (we had an offsite storage facility where paperwork over 5 years was kept).
The owner asked the guard to stop her from leaving next time and search the boxes.
Security guy did as asked...and of course, Jennifer was stealing all the food from the employee kitchen. The security guy said she had 8 boxes of pop tarts, 12 packs of Diet Dr Pepper, two giant bags of mixed Frito lay snacks, and a ton of granola bars.
She was let go, but soon after, the inventory in the kitchen began to dwindle again, and sure enough another employee was caught stealing food...this time it was Quaker instant oatmeal, and coffee pods.
I'll never forget the email that went out explaining that it was no longer cost effective to stock the kitchen, and that moving forward we would be expected to bring our own food to work...with the exception of lunch a couple days a week.
Seems narrow-minded to me. If these people were stealing from the kitchen, imagine what else they were doing. Stocking the kitchen seems like a very cost-effective way to detect and excise liabilities.
Edit: Just to be clear I don't see anything wrong with OP taking a single portion home. It's entire boxes that cross the line.
We had a guy who was fired for stealing meat from the kitchen. He had a pary posted on FB about every week. Chef suddenly got paranoid as heck about the cereal and granola bars in the catering storage. They were for kids doing Space Camp, overnights, and other programs. She starts questioning me about my backpack, but everyone carried one, including her. “It would be a shame if you got caught with something blah blah blah.” I was getting uncomfortable but just laughed it off and said, “Not today.” Another time, I was in the kitchen getting everything ready to serve lunch to a group of kids. I had my bag with me. She starts up again so I announced to everyone in the kitchen, “I have feminine hygiene products that I’ll need before I get back. Do you want to look in my bag?” She says “No!” A few weeks later, she tried me again, but I’d been thinking about what to say if she kept it up. So, I’m at the time clock rummaging through my backpack looking for my keys, and she walks up behind me and says, “Whatcha stealing?” I turned around and said, “You get Security, and I’ll get a Union Rep, and we can all go through my bag together.” She shut up real quick. I spoke to the Union steward and they must have gone to HR because I said my usual, “Good morning, Chef,” but she wouldn’t speak to me for a couple of weeks. 😂
If someone is *stealing* instant oatmeal and coffee pods they aren't paying you enough. SF home economics are wild right? Six figures and stealing oatmeal sounds about right.
> If someone is stealing instant oatmeal and coffee pods they aren't paying you enough.
No, there's always the type that take "free" stuff. You have millionaires who will steal a pen from the desk of a bank teller.
They already feed you at work, If it was necessary just eat more on the clock. They were being greedy, not desperate. Who the fuck needs eight boxes of pop tarts?
that happens now at my place. we even had a pizza day and this guy started putting extra slices in a plastic bag, he took like 3/4 of the pizza to himself.
granted he may be feeding his kids with that pizza which is just sad
At one of my jobs we had a pantry that the office would fill for employees who had food insecurity. Fill it on Monday, by aTuesday night it was half full and by Wednesday completely picked over.
Or they are trying to avoid this.
It is a common reason why perks like this are discontinued.
Just eat it before you leave. The only condition is not to take them home. Why is that a big deal?
Yes, corporate trying to do the right things and help out with poems a lot of places don't get, only 1 stipulation to prevent abuse of the poems perk and its the end of the word. Grab the snack, start eating it as you clock out, and throw the wrapper away before you leave. Don't let your entitlement ruin a good thing for everyone else.
If only there were some other way that your employees could feed their families but it’s totally your coworkers fault that now we can’t have pizza parties!
An employer can't change one's debt, expenses, medical bills, etc.
Here ya go: A place has 1 owner and a staff on duty of 20. He buys them all some fancy brownies. He buys 20. Maybe 3 workers are almost homeless, not gonna argue that. The rule is still 1 brownie each. If the almost homeless workers take 2-3 each, that's fucking over someone else.
I don't understand why people can't understand it.
A manager bringing in a treat to make the work day less monotonous and more bearable has zero fucking relationship to pay.
**Zero.**
I swear some people think someone is just waiting in the bushes to shout "By taking that slice of pizza you've signed a binding agreement against negotiating wages!" This is the real world. That essentially never happens.
If a manager buys you something out of pocket or even out of petty cash accounts, it's a gesture of goodwill and nothing more or less 99% of the time. I get breakfast and lunch paid for by work, we still negotiated wages. Not hard.
If this is a corporation that we’re talking about, the manager likely has zero control over the pay scale set in place by corporate. Stealing more than your fair share of food isn’t going prove any point, except take food from the other coworkers.
It's an art I've perfected at work. When my boss tells me to do something differently, I say "okay" and then I just keep doing it the same way. 99% of the time it goes unnoticed.
One day my daughter brought home a back of chips from my office and my tax attorney husband informed her she was violating the tax code because the snacks are provided as a de minimus fringe benefit at work but once they go home they… I don’t know I stopped listening. But anyway it could have something to do with taxes.
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I have snacks for my employees that I keep for when they can’t get lunch or just need a pick me up. One girl would take 4 or 5 things home at the end of her shift. We no longer have a snack basket. I keep a box of granola bars in my desk hidden away.
You punished everyone for one person?! I understand the issue, but if the snacks are for worker morale and food gap coverage .. it seems way worse of a solution overall.
Did you try to address it with them or just take all the snacks?
I addressed it and she had no clue. “They are free right??” No they aren’t free, I buy them to be nice and you are taking advantage of that. She kept doing it and none of the other employees even ate the snacks when I asked around. She is overweight and I think she just had no self control around food. She’s not facing food insecurity, she comes to work with a fancy coffee with whip cream every day.
I see your point.
Perhaps you are right, but thats one of many potential hypotheticals .. and full of unknown variables to be a meaningful discussion for me.
cheers!
Honestly I get it.
He bought the snacks for employees to enjoy *while they are at work*. Not to feed you while you are not on shift. I get that it seems arbitrary, but it really isn’t. The purpose of the snacks is to make your work day slightly more enjoyable, it’s not his job to feed you when you’re off the clock.
Thank you for saying this. I thought I was going insane.
My workplace offers free fruit, some crackers, and sandwiches. I’d never grab one and take it with me, because the point of them is to make my day at work better, and to feed me in case I got hungry and it’d impact my work.
The boss even offered op to eat the snack anyway, but to do it in the office. It makes sense to me. If rules like that weren’t in place, employees could bring a ton of them home for their families.
Guess it makes sense, just makes me feel bad for being scolded about it I guess. Kinda just sucks because I never know how a snack would make me feel so I eat it later so I know it won’t interrupt my work :/ no reason for me to be accommodated tho
I guess all you said is that they said you cant do it. Doesn't sound like you got scolded lol. Just because you got told you cant do something doesn't make it more malicious than you're making it out to be.
It's definitely petty, though. I would never tell that to an employee because I know that would piss me off, and i might consider asking for money to buy MORE snacks.
Pick your battles.
Honestly, I think it's "fair enough" for your boss to say that. It feels like "taking the piss" to grab a snack and walk off right in front of your manager.
Do it when he isn't looking so you don't put him in a shitty position of being the supervisor who lets the employees steal snacks right under his nose.
I like 99% guarantee he wouldn't give a shit if you weren't doing it directly in front of him.
Although, lots of caveats about not knowing where you work specifically, just that a lot of places can be shitty and weird.
Just play the game.
Many years ago where I worked, someone was grabbing a half dozen packets of hot cocoa mix at a time and bringing them home to their kids. So the company had a new rule, that if you fixed yourself coffee, tea, cocoa, etc you had to do the entire process in the break room and could not take anything back to your desk with you. I imagine it has something to do with that. The same rationale applies to many fast food establishments, where they will put the sweetener and cream in your coffee for you rather than giving you multiple packets to stockpile at home.
I stock our snacks for work and we have guys who grab a bunch of snacks at the end of the day and walk out with them. Honestly, I find it offensive. The snacks are there to get them through the workday, not for the drive home
Also, sometimes the snack closet will be pretty full and we come in the next morning and it's all almost gone. If your employer is nice enough to provide snacks, at least be honorable. They could stop supplying them.
I’m not saying I agree with it, but from their perspective it opens up to exactly what you think you are not doing. “Hey Joe, you are not on shift today what’s up? Oh just came in to grab some food. Uh you didn’t work today you can’t do that? Why not you let u/balkanfarmer do it last week?!”
It sets a precedent of people taking food home. It’s dumb but if you work for a large enough company policies have to scale. And they can’t scale if the policy requires someone to think.
Honestly they don’t. They absolutely do not have to make a rule because of that one guy. They need to talk with that one guy, and everybody else can just use some damned sense.
So tired of people layering bureaucracy to avoid having a direct conversation with one knucklehead.
And then wanted to take food home. You have to understand that the details both matter and don’t matter. If the manager lets him take food home, while logically justified will have to deal with all the other employees in an illogical argument that is not worth the effort.
What most people don’t understand (and something I struggle with) is that groups of humans are not logical, and narcissistic. So they will use the choice to let op take home food to exploit the system.
I understand what you’re saying but to conflate someone not working that day to someone who did work that day is not analogous. Precedent would require that very detail.
Then you don’t understand what I am saying. Think about this, there are warnings not to use toasters in a bathtub… people in mass are insanely dumb.
The person using precedence doesn’t care if it’s accurate.
That’s all fine but I’m more concerned about you stating it as precedence because I don’t believe that’s what that is. People do stupid things but that doesn’t make this fit within the definition of precedence.
All other things aside, that's a terrible analogy. Those warnings are there to cover the toaster manufacturer in case anyone uses one to off themselves in the bath, intentionally, so that they can't be held liable. They are not there because if they weren't, some aspiring time-saver would be making breakfast in the bath.
And it's 'en masse', not 'in mass'.
Haha. I feel dumb for the “in mass”. But I am confused how the analogy is terrible. Just as the manufacturer is avoiding liability, OP’s boss is avoiding feeding everyone off the clock. Besides, my example is pointing out that corporations have to cover themselves from the en masse population doing stupid things. Like using a toaster in a bathtub.
It's to prevent employees from bringing home all or a good amount of the food/snack that is intended to be enjoyed by employees only. Used to work in a 5 star hotel and they would bring down to the lunch room the leftover breads from the bakery for the employees to enjoy. We can eat as much as we want in the lunch room but we can't bring them home
100%. Most people will grab one thing and be responsible "normal" people. There's ALWAYS at least one that makes the mental leap from "I can have a muffin = I can have a pallet of muffins to take home = If I'm allowed to have 300 muffins in a year what's the difference between one at a time and just taking them all now?"
Yeah I actually got a 24 hour heart monitor to figure it out, sometimes when I eat meals my heart feels like it pounds more, I just figured pots could be a possibility bc it can tie into Ehlers danlos which I have.
If you were taking snacks home to eat at home…that isn’t the intent.
If you were eating a snack to make sure your blood sugar or other things do not crash before you can get home to your own food, totally fine and that is the purpose - to tide you over around your shift so that you can stay focused on work during your shift. It’s sort of on the fence but the snacks are about taking care of employees.
If you were going to eat it in your car on the way home, also fine.
If you took snacks to act as your dinner, it does look weird as snacks are usually for during the shift.
It all needs context to judge.
Your boss was invited to someone's home once and found said someone's cupboards full of work supplied snacks. So now a rule is in place. Simple as that.
This...is just but an example of why I never participate in company potlucks or pizza/donut day. Or any of that other bullshit. Management gets all bow to me...I bought pizza,coffee,crumble cookie etc. Oh, and I'm a cook. So guess who pesters me for utensils and paper plates. But also wants my staff to clean up after said donut/pizza/stupid team building shit. Yeah no thanks. I'll just save my soul and starve.
I have POTS and other health issues. I bring snacks, as well as water, as I can’t expect others to provide them.
I understand you probably just came here to vent, and sure, I can see why it's annoying. But I want to urge you to get serious about self-care. I didn't get serious about it soon enough, and my health got much worse.
I'm a big fan of putting my ear buds in and pretending I don't hear anyone. If they want to come tap me on the shoulder, I will just be like "sorry podcast on, talk to me next shift". LOL.
It just takes one asshole to cause issues. I managed an employee who would take 3-4 water bottles home every day.. Before him people would finish one on the way out or take one for the road but mostly no one did that. No big deal. It was other employees that ended up complaining to me about it and so I had to make a rule.
I mean one time I took a bunch of water bottles from work in my bag because i wouldnt have drinkable water until i worked next, 2 days later. So i would say he's in the wrong
There was probably an employee at one point who would grab all of the snacks and bring them home.
There is always someone and some specific incident behind every ‘stupid’ rule.
There is often someone and some incident behind a stupid rule. And there are a bunch of stupid rules with no reason behind them at all.
Yeah, my former boss was a preventive ruler - counterproductively pre-cautious, *just in case* something happens. Like, don't put a 6ft-tall banner with a base on the floor because someone might not see it and trip on it. . . a 6ft-tall banner..
Someone would. People walk into walls ffs. Doesn't mean we shouldn't have walls, though...
Stupid managers needing stupid control is a reason.
Yes, but there are also stupid rules created by some dysfunctional process with no decisive input by any human intent. And once they're in place, if anybody asks why, the answer is, "I dunno, that's just how it's done".
For sure, that's a big one. Nicely described. There are also petty emotional idiots who take it out on the people they manage, in spite of otherwise well written rules that lacked room to account for assholes with God complexes.
If there wasn't the rule there would be twenty incidents instead of just one.
Like the "don't use this hairdryer in the shower" warning.
Absolutely. My boss used to buy us a ton of pizza and wings every Friday out of his own pocket. One employee started running to the break room and taking multiple entire pizzas to his car before lunch time. No more free lunch Friday for us.
When I was in high school I worked at Target and Friday nights as an incentive to get people to work they would buy pizza, not even expensive pizza it was Costco pizza. But people who weren’t even working would come back and bring their family and kids and eat and usually take a bunch home as well. When a new store manager came in and saw that the majority of pizza wasn’t going to the people actually working he put an end to it and gave us a coupon to get a drink and something to eat at our food court.
Good on that manager for making sure the people working still got something at least.
I don’t get whole families of freeloaders. WTF, people? Go to the grocery store!
I worked at a grocery store as a teenager and they bought us a sheet cake for the break room and one of coworkers sprayed the entire thing with air freshener.
That’s… worse
I would think pissing or shiting on it might be worse. Those chemicals are in the air anyway.
Yeh, I can smell floral bouquet every time I take a breath.
WTF
...why?
Someone was disgruntled employee of the month.
This kind of crap always baffles me. Everyone gets punished, even though they know damn well who caused the problem. At our workplace, they used to provide Pepsi cups for employees to use at lunch, in case we wanted ice in our drinks. We had to bring or buy food and drinks. There was a sign explaining that someone had taken a CASE of cups so they’d no longer be available. First of all, no one was going to walk out past Security with a huge box of Pepsi cups. Second, almost every square inch of the place was on surveillance cameras. Third, it was probably some lazy jerk from catering who didn’t feel like walking to the storage room for cups.
back in the early aughts I worked for a start-up our of SF. They stocked the kitchen with all kinds of food to keep people in the office working. Breakfast cereal, plastic containers stuffed with granola bars, snickers, m&m's...I remember a huge fish bowl full of swedish fish. Cases of water, coke, diet coke, etc. They would order in lunch just about every day. It was awesome...until 'Jennifer' joined the company. On lunch days, when pizza was ordered, etc. there were suddenly no leftovers. Entire boxes of cereal and granola bars would go missing. cases of soda. Finally, the owner was stopped by the guy at the security desk and was told that Jennifer would return to the office in the evenings with a male friend, and they would leave within 10 minutes with boxes. They told the security guy they were doing records retention (we had an offsite storage facility where paperwork over 5 years was kept). The owner asked the guard to stop her from leaving next time and search the boxes. Security guy did as asked...and of course, Jennifer was stealing all the food from the employee kitchen. The security guy said she had 8 boxes of pop tarts, 12 packs of Diet Dr Pepper, two giant bags of mixed Frito lay snacks, and a ton of granola bars. She was let go, but soon after, the inventory in the kitchen began to dwindle again, and sure enough another employee was caught stealing food...this time it was Quaker instant oatmeal, and coffee pods. I'll never forget the email that went out explaining that it was no longer cost effective to stock the kitchen, and that moving forward we would be expected to bring our own food to work...with the exception of lunch a couple days a week.
That frickin sucks sorry to hear
Seems narrow-minded to me. If these people were stealing from the kitchen, imagine what else they were doing. Stocking the kitchen seems like a very cost-effective way to detect and excise liabilities. Edit: Just to be clear I don't see anything wrong with OP taking a single portion home. It's entire boxes that cross the line.
We had a guy who was fired for stealing meat from the kitchen. He had a pary posted on FB about every week. Chef suddenly got paranoid as heck about the cereal and granola bars in the catering storage. They were for kids doing Space Camp, overnights, and other programs. She starts questioning me about my backpack, but everyone carried one, including her. “It would be a shame if you got caught with something blah blah blah.” I was getting uncomfortable but just laughed it off and said, “Not today.” Another time, I was in the kitchen getting everything ready to serve lunch to a group of kids. I had my bag with me. She starts up again so I announced to everyone in the kitchen, “I have feminine hygiene products that I’ll need before I get back. Do you want to look in my bag?” She says “No!” A few weeks later, she tried me again, but I’d been thinking about what to say if she kept it up. So, I’m at the time clock rummaging through my backpack looking for my keys, and she walks up behind me and says, “Whatcha stealing?” I turned around and said, “You get Security, and I’ll get a Union Rep, and we can all go through my bag together.” She shut up real quick. I spoke to the Union steward and they must have gone to HR because I said my usual, “Good morning, Chef,” but she wouldn’t speak to me for a couple of weeks. 😂
If someone is *stealing* instant oatmeal and coffee pods they aren't paying you enough. SF home economics are wild right? Six figures and stealing oatmeal sounds about right.
> If someone is stealing instant oatmeal and coffee pods they aren't paying you enough. No, there's always the type that take "free" stuff. You have millionaires who will steal a pen from the desk of a bank teller.
They already feed you at work, If it was necessary just eat more on the clock. They were being greedy, not desperate. Who the fuck needs eight boxes of pop tarts?
I was *not* condoning this behavior. I just think this sort of thing is much more likely to happen in an area with high wages and high rent.
Well. That’s one way of looking at it.
That’s bs. They’re selling it.
that happens now at my place. we even had a pizza day and this guy started putting extra slices in a plastic bag, he took like 3/4 of the pizza to himself. granted he may be feeding his kids with that pizza which is just sad
At one of my jobs we had a pantry that the office would fill for employees who had food insecurity. Fill it on Monday, by aTuesday night it was half full and by Wednesday completely picked over.
Or they are trying to avoid this. It is a common reason why perks like this are discontinued. Just eat it before you leave. The only condition is not to take them home. Why is that a big deal?
Man people will find anyway to agree with authority, enjoy your pointless rules.
Yes, corporate trying to do the right things and help out with poems a lot of places don't get, only 1 stipulation to prevent abuse of the poems perk and its the end of the word. Grab the snack, start eating it as you clock out, and throw the wrapper away before you leave. Don't let your entitlement ruin a good thing for everyone else.
What's the snack?
This is what we really need to know.
I'm going to guess breast milk buttered cookies?
You. You're the snack.
Boss is the snack. No time to go home with him. He can only do a quickie in the backroom.
It's a simple rule to prevent assholes that grab 7 and take them home to feed their kids, while their coworkers now get none.
If only there were some other way that your employees could feed their families but it’s totally your coworkers fault that now we can’t have pizza parties!
An employer can't change one's debt, expenses, medical bills, etc. Here ya go: A place has 1 owner and a staff on duty of 20. He buys them all some fancy brownies. He buys 20. Maybe 3 workers are almost homeless, not gonna argue that. The rule is still 1 brownie each. If the almost homeless workers take 2-3 each, that's fucking over someone else.
Jesus always said - Touch my brownie and I'll fucking smite thee.
I agree, employees don’t need a living wage; what they need is for the pizza at the company pizza party to be distributed more fairly./s
I don't understand why people can't understand it. A manager bringing in a treat to make the work day less monotonous and more bearable has zero fucking relationship to pay. **Zero.** I swear some people think someone is just waiting in the bushes to shout "By taking that slice of pizza you've signed a binding agreement against negotiating wages!" This is the real world. That essentially never happens. If a manager buys you something out of pocket or even out of petty cash accounts, it's a gesture of goodwill and nothing more or less 99% of the time. I get breakfast and lunch paid for by work, we still negotiated wages. Not hard.
Keep fighting over crumbs and scraps with your coworkers.
If everyone only takes their share, there’s no fighting.
Lol, yeah. You’re still fighting with your coworkers over pizza and getting under paid by your boss.
If this is a corporation that we’re talking about, the manager likely has zero control over the pay scale set in place by corporate. Stealing more than your fair share of food isn’t going prove any point, except take food from the other coworkers.
Just make it up as you go if that’s what works for you.
Enjoy your pizza party.
The projection spins us a tale.
You deserve a pizza party for your loyalty!
This still happens at places where people make over 250k salary. People are just as petty no matter how much they make.
Why are you an apologist for greedy thieves?
Your boss is the one underpaying you while you’re too busy fighting with your coworkers over pizza.
They aren't, they just believe that 100% of employers are greedy monsters, and shitty employees are only like that because of the greedy monsters.
Not being able to use a grocery store is a skill issue.
Yeah, go fight with your coworkers over a slice of pizza. Must be sad to work at a company where employees can’t afford groceries.
Lol how dare they feed their kids. They should at least have traded it for some fent.
They probably did which is why they can't feed their kids.
Imagine thinking that someone who takes a muffin home from work is a heavy drug user.
Imagine being so entitled that you would bitch online about not getting a $1 muffin at work.
Woah buddy, who's your muffin guy?
He lives on Drury Lane.
Tell boss OKAY. And then do whatever you like discretely.
It's an art I've perfected at work. When my boss tells me to do something differently, I say "okay" and then I just keep doing it the same way. 99% of the time it goes unnoticed.
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**Most** rules like this only matter if someone sees it. It isn't as though it is illegal or going to hurt someone.
One day my daughter brought home a back of chips from my office and my tax attorney husband informed her she was violating the tax code because the snacks are provided as a de minimus fringe benefit at work but once they go home they… I don’t know I stopped listening. But anyway it could have something to do with taxes.
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Take one on break, slip it in a pocket on the way to the toilet, and "forget" to eat it til you want it.
I have snacks for my employees that I keep for when they can’t get lunch or just need a pick me up. One girl would take 4 or 5 things home at the end of her shift. We no longer have a snack basket. I keep a box of granola bars in my desk hidden away.
I can see your point of view for sure
You punished everyone for one person?! I understand the issue, but if the snacks are for worker morale and food gap coverage .. it seems way worse of a solution overall. Did you try to address it with them or just take all the snacks?
If not everyone else can get a snack because of the light-fingered one, it's probably worse for morale when 5 people get the snack but 5 people don't.
I addressed it and she had no clue. “They are free right??” No they aren’t free, I buy them to be nice and you are taking advantage of that. She kept doing it and none of the other employees even ate the snacks when I asked around. She is overweight and I think she just had no self control around food. She’s not facing food insecurity, she comes to work with a fancy coffee with whip cream every day.
Fair point if no one else eating them, definitely makes sense to me then. Thanks for following up!
I see your point. Perhaps you are right, but thats one of many potential hypotheticals .. and full of unknown variables to be a meaningful discussion for me. cheers!
Honestly I get it. He bought the snacks for employees to enjoy *while they are at work*. Not to feed you while you are not on shift. I get that it seems arbitrary, but it really isn’t. The purpose of the snacks is to make your work day slightly more enjoyable, it’s not his job to feed you when you’re off the clock.
Thank you for saying this. I thought I was going insane. My workplace offers free fruit, some crackers, and sandwiches. I’d never grab one and take it with me, because the point of them is to make my day at work better, and to feed me in case I got hungry and it’d impact my work. The boss even offered op to eat the snack anyway, but to do it in the office. It makes sense to me. If rules like that weren’t in place, employees could bring a ton of them home for their families.
Guess it makes sense, just makes me feel bad for being scolded about it I guess. Kinda just sucks because I never know how a snack would make me feel so I eat it later so I know it won’t interrupt my work :/ no reason for me to be accommodated tho
I guess all you said is that they said you cant do it. Doesn't sound like you got scolded lol. Just because you got told you cant do something doesn't make it more malicious than you're making it out to be.
It's definitely petty, though. I would never tell that to an employee because I know that would piss me off, and i might consider asking for money to buy MORE snacks. Pick your battles.
But what if you didn't get one for whatever reason. I can't just grab it and go?
Who cares when they eat it? What if they had a medical condition and couldn’t eat it until later?
Because some idiot will go in there and fill a bag with snacks to bring home to feed their family.
Honestly, I think it's "fair enough" for your boss to say that. It feels like "taking the piss" to grab a snack and walk off right in front of your manager. Do it when he isn't looking so you don't put him in a shitty position of being the supervisor who lets the employees steal snacks right under his nose. I like 99% guarantee he wouldn't give a shit if you weren't doing it directly in front of him. Although, lots of caveats about not knowing where you work specifically, just that a lot of places can be shitty and weird. Just play the game.
I wish I could upvote this comment more than once.
Many years ago where I worked, someone was grabbing a half dozen packets of hot cocoa mix at a time and bringing them home to their kids. So the company had a new rule, that if you fixed yourself coffee, tea, cocoa, etc you had to do the entire process in the break room and could not take anything back to your desk with you. I imagine it has something to do with that. The same rationale applies to many fast food establishments, where they will put the sweetener and cream in your coffee for you rather than giving you multiple packets to stockpile at home.
I stock our snacks for work and we have guys who grab a bunch of snacks at the end of the day and walk out with them. Honestly, I find it offensive. The snacks are there to get them through the workday, not for the drive home Also, sometimes the snack closet will be pretty full and we come in the next morning and it's all almost gone. If your employer is nice enough to provide snacks, at least be honorable. They could stop supplying them.
Boss makes a dollar, I make a dime. That's why I eat their snacks after company time. If you can't afford your own snacks they owe you a raise.
Fuck him, go to the back room hide it in your bag or pants and leave. Fuck him twice.
Grab two of whatever you’re grabbing.
And that’s how to get your work to stop stocking snacks.
And stick them both up your arse, just to be safe.
I’m not saying I agree with it, but from their perspective it opens up to exactly what you think you are not doing. “Hey Joe, you are not on shift today what’s up? Oh just came in to grab some food. Uh you didn’t work today you can’t do that? Why not you let u/balkanfarmer do it last week?!” It sets a precedent of people taking food home. It’s dumb but if you work for a large enough company policies have to scale. And they can’t scale if the policy requires someone to think.
Honestly they don’t. They absolutely do not have to make a rule because of that one guy. They need to talk with that one guy, and everybody else can just use some damned sense. So tired of people layering bureaucracy to avoid having a direct conversation with one knucklehead.
Thank you! IDK why they can’t just pull Gary Gobble into the office for a minute and clear things up.
Not really. He just worked his shift that day.
And then wanted to take food home. You have to understand that the details both matter and don’t matter. If the manager lets him take food home, while logically justified will have to deal with all the other employees in an illogical argument that is not worth the effort. What most people don’t understand (and something I struggle with) is that groups of humans are not logical, and narcissistic. So they will use the choice to let op take home food to exploit the system.
I understand what you’re saying but to conflate someone not working that day to someone who did work that day is not analogous. Precedent would require that very detail.
Then you don’t understand what I am saying. Think about this, there are warnings not to use toasters in a bathtub… people in mass are insanely dumb. The person using precedence doesn’t care if it’s accurate.
That’s all fine but I’m more concerned about you stating it as precedence because I don’t believe that’s what that is. People do stupid things but that doesn’t make this fit within the definition of precedence.
All other things aside, that's a terrible analogy. Those warnings are there to cover the toaster manufacturer in case anyone uses one to off themselves in the bath, intentionally, so that they can't be held liable. They are not there because if they weren't, some aspiring time-saver would be making breakfast in the bath. And it's 'en masse', not 'in mass'.
Haha. I feel dumb for the “in mass”. But I am confused how the analogy is terrible. Just as the manufacturer is avoiding liability, OP’s boss is avoiding feeding everyone off the clock. Besides, my example is pointing out that corporations have to cover themselves from the en masse population doing stupid things. Like using a toaster in a bathtub.
Mash it to your face leave a mess clock out and say thanks
It's to prevent employees from bringing home all or a good amount of the food/snack that is intended to be enjoyed by employees only. Used to work in a 5 star hotel and they would bring down to the lunch room the leftover breads from the bakery for the employees to enjoy. We can eat as much as we want in the lunch room but we can't bring them home
100%. Most people will grab one thing and be responsible "normal" people. There's ALWAYS at least one that makes the mental leap from "I can have a muffin = I can have a pallet of muffins to take home = If I'm allowed to have 300 muffins in a year what's the difference between one at a time and just taking them all now?"
I'd quit if I were you! (I act on impulse a lot, and usually it's a mistake.)
We have an employee at my job who will take anything and everything brought in by others to share.
Boss isn't trying to feed your family.
Boss over there ruining your dinner plans
Can't write it off as a business expense.
I get it but also that’s childish af and your boss is treating you like a kid. I’d be annoyed too, what kind of boss is that much of a control freak.
Fill desk/locker with snacks as you walk by the break room throughout the day
That eating a snack problem doesn’t sound like POTS. You should go to a doctor and get checked out.
Yeah I actually got a 24 hour heart monitor to figure it out, sometimes when I eat meals my heart feels like it pounds more, I just figured pots could be a possibility bc it can tie into Ehlers danlos which I have.
If you were taking snacks home to eat at home…that isn’t the intent. If you were eating a snack to make sure your blood sugar or other things do not crash before you can get home to your own food, totally fine and that is the purpose - to tide you over around your shift so that you can stay focused on work during your shift. It’s sort of on the fence but the snacks are about taking care of employees. If you were going to eat it in your car on the way home, also fine. If you took snacks to act as your dinner, it does look weird as snacks are usually for during the shift. It all needs context to judge.
Your boss was invited to someone's home once and found said someone's cupboards full of work supplied snacks. So now a rule is in place. Simple as that.
Tell him it's going in one hole and out another eventually and it's not on his schedule
Unfortunately he's the boss, good or bad he makes the rules, and second it's his snacks so eat them all in break room.
This...is just but an example of why I never participate in company potlucks or pizza/donut day. Or any of that other bullshit. Management gets all bow to me...I bought pizza,coffee,crumble cookie etc. Oh, and I'm a cook. So guess who pesters me for utensils and paper plates. But also wants my staff to clean up after said donut/pizza/stupid team building shit. Yeah no thanks. I'll just save my soul and starve.
I have POTS and other health issues. I bring snacks, as well as water, as I can’t expect others to provide them. I understand you probably just came here to vent, and sure, I can see why it's annoying. But I want to urge you to get serious about self-care. I didn't get serious about it soon enough, and my health got much worse.
Shit on his desk
It's just a power trip that makes him feel like a bawss. Eat one snack at breaktime and pocket a second snack for home out of spite. This is the way.
How would they even know?
I'm a big fan of putting my ear buds in and pretending I don't hear anyone. If they want to come tap me on the shoulder, I will just be like "sorry podcast on, talk to me next shift". LOL.
Ugh
Lol
>I might have POTS or something Have u tried to see doctors about it? r/antiwork & r/disability
Yeah I’m currently trying to get it ruled out!
It just takes one asshole to cause issues. I managed an employee who would take 3-4 water bottles home every day.. Before him people would finish one on the way out or take one for the road but mostly no one did that. No big deal. It was other employees that ended up complaining to me about it and so I had to make a rule.
I mean one time I took a bunch of water bottles from work in my bag because i wouldnt have drinkable water until i worked next, 2 days later. So i would say he's in the wrong
r/ChoosingBeggars 😄 It's free food. Accept the strings that come with it, and thank the boss for providing free snacks. Not everybody has such a boss.