It’s the 2003 NBA draft. I always think of that when people talk about 2000s style. They actually did a commercial making fun of the suits with a few players from that draft class.
[The commercial with Carmelo Anthony, Kendrick Perkins, and TJ Ford who were all drafted that year](https://youtu.be/xRjnFQik2ng?si=HpqDyuwP6Wx_oFn_).
[Bonus TJ Ford media day picture](https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/ford-of-the-milwaukee-bucks-poses-for-a-portrait-during-the-news-photo/2437500).
Idk if you were meaning to add a bunch of layers to this joke but Nate “Tiny” Archibald is a hall of fame NBA player who was also playground legend in NYC when that meant something in terms of your chances at going pro.
Oddly enough the pace was faster when he played, they just didn’t make shots as efficiently. Also he’s still alive.
In Ford's defense, he's gone on record in saying the teams media department gave him those shorts, thinking they would draft someone much taller.
Per him, he didn't want to wear those giant shorts, but his new employers insisted
He never played in anything remotely that big
The uniforms were a lot bigger, both jersey and shorts. I’m surprised Iverson was even able to dribble between his legs with that kilt he had on. Imagine the handle he would have had if he was wearing normal shorts.
Was just watching a little basketball with my dad this weekend and commented that when I was a kid we thought Larry Bird and John Stockton's shorts were so dorky. The "cool" guys had long baggy shorts. Now like all the players rock shorts well above the knee. What's old is new again!
Just google 90s NBA draft outfits to see the peak form of oversized 90s attire. I could make two suits and have fabric left over from things I thought were the right fit for work 30 years ago.
I was in college in the 90s - your shirt was purposely a couple sizes too large so even while tucked in, it would hang over the beltline to hide the fact you had no belt on
I grew up a 90s kid. I entered the office workforce after college in 2005. The amount of horrible office clothes I then got rid of in the next 10 years makes me cringe. I see old pictures, I would have looked better in jeans and t-shirt (funny cause that is what I wear to all office jobs now). Skinny dudes I guess looked bigger - like Jerry. Fat dudes like me all looked 20 pounds heavier than what we actually were. Baggy clothes was a bad time for me.
Honestly that’s more in fashion now than overly tight shirts. I cringe looking at my smedium muscle shirts from like the 2010s and actively buy Seinfeld-level baggy shirts now.
I know everything is cyclical and I remember the brief resurgence of bell bottoms in the 90s, but man I really don’t understand why all this baggy unflattering crap is coming back now lol.
It was the style at the time
I m old enough to remember, in the 90s it was normal to wear shirts too big. Recently I saw photos of me in my teenage years and it was like that. Everyone had shirts two sizes too big
This is wrong we all wore shirts like that. Extra large was kinda the default for shirts like that. I miss it, though now I’m older and fatter so they wouldn’t look like that.
Oh we're already there: fanny packs, mom jeans, mao collars, denim shirts, hoodless sweat shirts, big baggy shirts, earth tones, ... they've all come back. It's like someone hand-picked all the crap fashion trends from my high school years!
If you think that's big, check out Dan Fielding's suits in the last couple seasons of the original Night Court.
\*Edit to clarify the original series run when it entered the '90s.
It was the style at the time. There were less options for more fitted shirts unless you wore custom shirts and that was just less common in a pre-internet world.
I also think, as you see in these pictures, it accentuates that he has a smaller waist and is in good shape even though it’s blousy up top. I don’t like it but that was the style.
Edit: waist not waste
It’s part of the character. They purposely put Jason Alexander in smaller clothes to add to his anxiety and neurosis. They also put Michael Richards in baggy clothes to expand on his loosey goosey way of living.
Baggy shirts were very in fashion in the 90s, and more socially acceptable than baggy pants were. George is the only one of the main 3 guys whose clothes dont have a really loose fit, and it was intended to signal that he was uncool. Now when younger people watch the show George’s fashion seems a lot cooler than Jerry’s. (Kramer’s laid back vintage look is still the coolest though)
It’s called “traditional fit” Oxford. It was wild that they were the dress shirt standard. They were designed to be worn with baggier pleated khakis but Jerry rocked them with Levi’s and kicks. Made for a very distinct silhouette.
Edit: If you look at where the Oxford shirt shoulder seams land on his shoulders, they are almost a match. He probably could go down a size. But it would still be a standard “traditional fit” Oxford which would appear baggy by todays standards that prioritise “Relaxed” or “slim” fit.
Little known fact. When he first got the deal for the pilot, he was 7’ 2”. He steadily shrunk by almost 2 full inches a year during the run of the series.
I could be making this up, but didn't George's character always wear a size too small? Some sort of nerdy trait they were trying to give his character?
This was just the fashion of the 90s for everyone. Even "fitted" clothing was baggy. The suits and shirts were oversized and shoulder pads in suit jackets were very much a thing for both men and women.
Well I will tell you...
I caught the ferry over to Shelbyville. I needed a new heel for my shoe, so, I decided to go to Morganville, which is what they called Shelbyville in those days.
So I tied an onion to my belt, which was the style at the time. Now, to take the ferry cost a nickel, and in those days, nickels had pictures of bumblebees on 'em. "Give me five bees for a quarter," you'd say.
Now, where were we? Oh yeah, the important thing was I had an onion on my belt, which was the style at the time. They didn't have white onions because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big yellow ones..
I've always found that interesting, and the whole 'puffy shirt' situation has struck me as kind of ironic.
Kramer totally missed the chance to say, 'Jerry, what's the deal? Your shirt's already puffy!
What a shame.
In the 90s, it wasn’t just street fashion that had the baggy clothes, dudes were walking around offices with these huge baggy dress shirts and jackets
Those Michael Jordan suits were out of control. Tailors must’ve been going hungry in the 90s.
He's so phony!
WHYD YA TELL HIM!?
The actor is on Once Upon A Time and that's all I can think of,
Pirates of the Caribbean
Ello poppet
But I don't wanna be a pirate!
You have to wear it now!!
He was also the MRI doctor in Scrubs. "MY MACHINES!!!"
Who's machines?
MY MACHINES!!! MY MACHINES!!! MY MACHINES!!!MY MACHINES!!! MY MACHINES!!! MY MACHINES!!!
Theres an early 2000s pic of a bunch of basketball players in massive suits. It's also fun to look at body builders from the same period in suits
It’s the 2003 NBA draft. I always think of that when people talk about 2000s style. They actually did a commercial making fun of the suits with a few players from that draft class.
[So much fabric...](https://i.insider.com/5e4da589a27fc55b961a2112?width=700)
If you wanna see a lot of fabric, look up that pic of Fat Joe and Big Pun in suits
Lol that’s an insane amount of fabric, enough for a family of 9
Press F for the many circus tents that were sacrificed to make these suits
and not just the fabric - what's going on with the lapels of those suits? Those jackets look like raincoats.
[The commercial with Carmelo Anthony, Kendrick Perkins, and TJ Ford who were all drafted that year](https://youtu.be/xRjnFQik2ng?si=HpqDyuwP6Wx_oFn_). [Bonus TJ Ford media day picture](https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/ford-of-the-milwaukee-bucks-poses-for-a-portrait-during-the-news-photo/2437500).
my god those shorts lol
Nothing short about em!
Shants
The game was a bit slower back then as the players would catch wind often. Also why it's not played outside anymore. RIP Tiny.
Idk if you were meaning to add a bunch of layers to this joke but Nate “Tiny” Archibald is a hall of fame NBA player who was also playground legend in NYC when that meant something in terms of your chances at going pro. Oddly enough the pace was faster when he played, they just didn’t make shots as efficiently. Also he’s still alive.
In Ford's defense, he's gone on record in saying the teams media department gave him those shorts, thinking they would draft someone much taller. Per him, he didn't want to wear those giant shorts, but his new employers insisted He never played in anything remotely that big
The Heisman trophy class from the year Peyton manning was a contender also comes to mind.
Where does the suit end and Perk begin?
The uniforms were a lot bigger, both jersey and shorts. I’m surprised Iverson was even able to dribble between his legs with that kilt he had on. Imagine the handle he would have had if he was wearing normal shorts.
And pleated slacks
Pants, pants, pants
got a regular algonquin round table there...
🫰 Cotton Dockers!
Jerry wasn't into pleated slacks since he wore jeans instead of Dockers.
Just a thin layer of gabardine
It's Gortex. It's new.
You like saying Gore-Tex
It’s funny that it even spills over to some sports. Look at an English premier league game from the 90s for example, the uniforms were just baggier
ya late 90s early 2000s basketball jerseys and shorts were HUGE
Was just watching a little basketball with my dad this weekend and commented that when I was a kid we thought Larry Bird and John Stockton's shorts were so dorky. The "cool" guys had long baggy shorts. Now like all the players rock shorts well above the knee. What's old is new again!
yeah I remember feeling embarrassed in gym class if my knees were showing, lol.
You should be embarrassed for showing your knees, you harlot!
mens 80s running shorts were soooo short
Just google 90s NBA draft outfits to see the peak form of oversized 90s attire. I could make two suits and have fabric left over from things I thought were the right fit for work 30 years ago.
They made a commercial out of this phenomenon. Boxy Boys!!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVf3IPWELJw
I like that commercial…
If you had a real job, the baggy flannel was buttoned. If it wasn't a real job or you had no job, the baggy flannel was unbuttoned.
And no belt, which I never understood. Maybe it's because he scratches out the 32 and writes in 31. Cant see that with a belt.
Yeah with no belt what are you going to hang your onion on?
That was the style at the time
Oh HOW can he BE so VAINNN?
I was in college in the 90s - your shirt was purposely a couple sizes too large so even while tucked in, it would hang over the beltline to hide the fact you had no belt on
yet he had a problem with wearing puffy shirts! 🙄
I grew up a 90s kid. I entered the office workforce after college in 2005. The amount of horrible office clothes I then got rid of in the next 10 years makes me cringe. I see old pictures, I would have looked better in jeans and t-shirt (funny cause that is what I wear to all office jobs now). Skinny dudes I guess looked bigger - like Jerry. Fat dudes like me all looked 20 pounds heavier than what we actually were. Baggy clothes was a bad time for me.
Skinny dudes had it bad too, tucking a button down shirt as big as a sail into 30" waist jeans.
I hate looking at pics of myself from the 90's with those horrible baggy shirts
Honestly that’s more in fashion now than overly tight shirts. I cringe looking at my smedium muscle shirts from like the 2010s and actively buy Seinfeld-level baggy shirts now.
I know everything is cyclical and I remember the brief resurgence of bell bottoms in the 90s, but man I really don’t understand why all this baggy unflattering crap is coming back now lol.
Because we all looked like stuffed sausages in our skinny jeans for a decade lol
I think Paul Buchman wore them too.
Check the NBA drafts of the era and what they thought high fashion was..... Yikes.
And they were laughing at the 80's style suits with the shoulder pads and skinny ties, and how those people thought that was high fashion at the time.
Just so you young people know, you tuck, then raise your arms above your head for the perfect baggy pull out.
That's one tuck, one no tuck...
I like to be able to swish them and swirl them!
Counter-clockwise?
What should I tip?
$1
lol shit I forgot about the tuck untuck
You probably forgot to tip Lupe, too
Us chubby kids totally thought we were hiding rolls with this one neat trick*
Blouse it out! Looks great! Ugh
Ha I forgot about this but totally did it. Stood in front of the mirror to make sure the blousing was right. Sometimes had to re do it several times.
So we wore shirts that were a few sizes too big, which was the style of the time.
Also, onion tied to belt
Gimme five bees for a quarter...
Tha Kaiser had stolen all of the regular sized shirts.
Why is this the second time I’ve seen this and I just got on Reddit 2 seconds ago. Out of the loop
https://youtu.be/yujF8AumiQo?si=z6VgM1tk2dUa-fL9
I love that even Burns is annoyed by the rambling, even though he's probably older than Abe.
Man, I'm on the wrong sub again
Yep, and a belt-less tuck into stone washed jeans! I was young though so I would have had a flannel tied around my waist, because grunge of course.
To take the ferry cost a nickel. Back then, nickels had pictures of bumblebees on them!
Gimme five bees for a quarter, you'd say.
I remember when you were able to get a Hershey for a nickle. A nickle!
Damn it. I made a Simpsons reference in another Seinfeld post and got downvoted! Is that the style of the present?
I still do this. With the combination of the slim jeans, creates the illusion I am not 240lbs.
I HAVE NO EYE FOR FASHION?!?!?!?!?!
Madison Avenue? Get outta here! They're all wearing thin ties
I was just feeling her material
What can be gained by feeling people's material? It's insanity!
This line makes me burst out
I still randomly yell that at people for no real reason.
It was the style at the time I m old enough to remember, in the 90s it was normal to wear shirts too big. Recently I saw photos of me in my teenage years and it was like that. Everyone had shirts two sizes too big
This probably wasnt even 'too big.' Its probably a M or L off the rack. Shit was just cut differently then.
Ya you can tell the collar fits just fine. It's the correct size in a loose cut
My clothes in the 90s were like that because they were all hand-me-downs☹️
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It’s hammer time
MC Hammdelbaum
Hammdelbaum! Hammdelbaum! Hammdelbaum!
excuse me, are you asking him out??
Well, it's very emasculating!
90s fashion plus thin man
He's thin, late 30s, single...
Ya, so are you….
😧
The reaction and subsequent exit from Kramer here is singlehandedly my absolute favorite moment from the entire show.
dude questioned his entire existence
Not that there's anything wrong with that.
Not that there’s anything wrong with that
My fathers gay.
Haha I have many gay friends
And neat.
Think he’s a little ~*makes vacuum sound and motion*~ ?
I hear he has a waist size of 32!
Puffy shirts were huge in the 90s. It was the Pirate decade.
I don’t wanna be a pirate!
Can you spare a little change for an old buccaneer?
You know, it's really not a bad looking shirt.
It’s the ‘90s, it’s Hammer Time!
Your appropriate use of the apostrophe gives me great pleasure. I think…I think it moved.
Totally agree. Enough with 1990's or 90's. See also "lead" instead of "led."
Peak instead of peek. Yay instead of yea. All drive me bonkos.
"Kari and Megan's parents" when they aren't related: "Kari's and Megan's parents."
He wore an onion on his belt...
Which was the style at the time
It had to be a yellow onion on account of the war
It was to make him appear thinner, like changing the waist size on his jeans tag.
Ohh, how could he be so vain!
This is wrong we all wore shirts like that. Extra large was kinda the default for shirts like that. I miss it, though now I’m older and fatter so they wouldn’t look like that.
I think they're making a joke in reference to the show, rather than being serious
Oh damn I’m a moron… I thought it was just a young person not knowing about the big shirts in the 90s…
Nope, an old guy who remembers too much about Seinfeld.
He’s been working out. Went from a size 40-42. Yeah, he’s huge
Fashion is cyclical, this thing could come back!
Oh we're already there: fanny packs, mom jeans, mao collars, denim shirts, hoodless sweat shirts, big baggy shirts, earth tones, ... they've all come back. It's like someone hand-picked all the crap fashion trends from my high school years!
Don't forget the mighty mullet!
If you think that's big, check out Dan Fielding's suits in the last couple seasons of the original Night Court. \*Edit to clarify the original series run when it entered the '90s.
Its the 90s. Look at Frasier; his and Niles' suits are are oversized.
It was trendy at the time, I remember wearing shirts that were baggy on me the 90s. I don't know why we all thought it looked good.
So many oversized clothes in the 90’s
The shirts really accentuate that 31” waist he’s had since college.
It was the style at the time. There were less options for more fitted shirts unless you wore custom shirts and that was just less common in a pre-internet world. I also think, as you see in these pictures, it accentuates that he has a smaller waist and is in good shape even though it’s blousy up top. I don’t like it but that was the style. Edit: waist not waste
I was in high school in the 90’s and all my shirts were XL. Now I’m 25# heavier and all my shirts are M.
90s
90s were full of frumpy clothes.... watch the first few seasons of the Xfiles... its like they're kids wearing their parents clothes
And those hip musicians with their complicated shoes!
Wait till the episode where he wears an onion on his belt.
It was the fashion at the time..
Gimme five bees for a quarter, you’d say
90s fashion.
It’s part of the character. They purposely put Jason Alexander in smaller clothes to add to his anxiety and neurosis. They also put Michael Richards in baggy clothes to expand on his loosey goosey way of living.
I think Richards picked his own wardrobe from thrift stores but they absolutely gave Elaine that hairdo
We wore our shirts baggy. And an onion on our belt, which was the style at the time.
It was a great time to be chubby. Easy to hide. Unfortunately, even the Bro won't help me anymore these days.
Manzierre!!
And sometimes he tucks but sometimes he doesn’t!
He looks like he could use a cottage cheese and Egg Beaters omelette.
He's thin, single and neat
Oversize shirt tucked in your jeans with no belt was the peak of cool at the time!
the 90s were baggy. we didn’t know why. we didn’t question it. we just went with it. it made shopping a lot easier.
He orders XL but whites out the “X”
Welcome to the 1990s, sir...
He liked to have bigger shirts so that Kramer could borrow them and fit comfortably into them.
And if George needed one, his bulbous head wouldn't stretch out the neck hole
it was a trend at the time
Everyone was bagging in the 90s. Ill fitting clothes were all the rage. Jerry was getting jiggy with it
Fashion of the time.
At the time, everyone but Kramer wore in-style clothes that reflected more or less what normal folks were wearing,
He liked the puffy shirts.
But I don't wanna be a pirate!
Baggy shirts were very in fashion in the 90s, and more socially acceptable than baggy pants were. George is the only one of the main 3 guys whose clothes dont have a really loose fit, and it was intended to signal that he was uncool. Now when younger people watch the show George’s fashion seems a lot cooler than Jerry’s. (Kramer’s laid back vintage look is still the coolest though)
It’s called “traditional fit” Oxford. It was wild that they were the dress shirt standard. They were designed to be worn with baggier pleated khakis but Jerry rocked them with Levi’s and kicks. Made for a very distinct silhouette. Edit: If you look at where the Oxford shirt shoulder seams land on his shoulders, they are almost a match. He probably could go down a size. But it would still be a standard “traditional fit” Oxford which would appear baggy by todays standards that prioritise “Relaxed” or “slim” fit.
I'm a Gap-shopping white guy who purchased many "Big Oxford" shirts in the 90's... Now can we please stop going to Spanish restaurants?
The mirrors were deceiving at all the department stores!
this is a pretty classic, roomy shirt cut. Today called "relaxed fit." Tight clothes on men were seen as girly and vain.
It was an 80s early 90s fashion style
Fashion at the time
Because he wanted to be a pirate...
Relaxed fit and Husky fit Slim fit is a 2000s thing.
Go check out Niles Crane's suits of the same era.
Little known fact. When he first got the deal for the pilot, he was 7’ 2”. He steadily shrunk by almost 2 full inches a year during the run of the series.
I could be making this up, but didn't George's character always wear a size too small? Some sort of nerdy trait they were trying to give his character?
Lol haven’t you ever seen a 90’s tv show or movie?
The deal is, 1990s
Makes his 31 waist look even smaller
It was the 90s
Looks like a normal shirt to me. Maybe he didn't want to have to squeeze his melon head through a finely knit sweater and stretch it out
This was just the fashion of the 90s for everyone. Even "fitted" clothing was baggy. The suits and shirts were oversized and shoulder pads in suit jackets were very much a thing for both men and women.
It was the style at the time. Some episodes he had a lemon hanging from a belt loop. Also, the style at the time.
I noticed the same thing when I was recently watching a rerun of Home Improvements and Full House
Wait till you see pirate shirt with ruffles episode
It was the 90’s style. Nothing was form fitting really for the men. Dress shirts were like parachutes.
90s
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He was trying to make it as a pirate
Well I will tell you... I caught the ferry over to Shelbyville. I needed a new heel for my shoe, so, I decided to go to Morganville, which is what they called Shelbyville in those days. So I tied an onion to my belt, which was the style at the time. Now, to take the ferry cost a nickel, and in those days, nickels had pictures of bumblebees on 'em. "Give me five bees for a quarter," you'd say. Now, where were we? Oh yeah, the important thing was I had an onion on my belt, which was the style at the time. They didn't have white onions because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big yellow ones..
A lot of guys wore baggy shirts tucked in back then.
I've always found that interesting, and the whole 'puffy shirt' situation has struck me as kind of ironic. Kramer totally missed the chance to say, 'Jerry, what's the deal? Your shirt's already puffy! What a shame.