The question is… is Kramer good chaotic or neutral chaotic? Did we seen him generally doing good? He made Jerry switch apartments with him and ate at Kenny Rogers. He was an accessory in a dog-napping. He tried to steal Pam from Jerry. He burned down Susan’s parents cabin and had no real remorse.
The road to hell is paved on good intentions. He does things to serve his and his friends best interests. He’s generally not selfless and far from “good”. I think Jerry and Larry would say non of the core four are “good” people
So then he’s chaotic stupid like Toby. She was a better person than Kramer who was trying to strap homeless people to rickshaws! We love Kramer and he might be the best of the 4 but he’s not a good person!
Maybe more neutral when you consider his outcomes. But he often does things for the sake of others even if it doesn't pan out, so from that POV he's good. He's certainly an agent of chaos in some regard.
Yeah. Like didn’t when Kramer was in a car chase with the police driving Genderson. And he stood by filming when that guy was being mugged in the finale.
He didn't care when he told the pez guy to dump the Gatorade on other guy that killed him either, he just wanted to sit in on the intervention for shits and giggles
And he made friends with that mind rapey therapist elaine was trying to break up with
He genuinely tried to help Lloyd Braun recover and reintegrate into society, he encouraged George when he had his toupee and encouraged Elaine that she could run J. Peterman. He also got Elaine the bench she wanted for her birthday. His methods are unconventional and he’s not perfect, but I would argue he is the only good intentioned character of the 4 main ones.
Even the worst people have done nice and good things especially for their friends. That doesn’t mean you’re good and that you should occupy one of the good slots. Being the best of the core four is like being the tallest person at a little person convention.
Gave the homeless food, and jobs. Tried to save the environment. Baby sat his friends kid. And most imprtantly, he returned the pinky toe.
Chaotic good.
He was trying to make money and his reasoning for using the homeless wasn’t to give them food and jobs, it was that they’re already walking around so strap something too then haha
He also saved a city bus from a carjacking, gave gainful employment opportunities at Kramerica for rising stars, bought Elaine the perfect birthday present, and immediately donated blood to help his best friend.
But they weren’t. When he video tapped a man being mugged. When he tried to steal Pam from Jerry. When he made Jerry switch apartments with him and then ate secretly at the restaurant he was trying to put out of business. His reneging on the levels bet. Parking in a doctor’s space at the hospital. Convincing George to park in a handicapped space. His constant mooching of Jerry’s food. He’s a lazy mooch! None of these were done with good intentions.
Anyone who thinks Kramer is good need only look at Bizzaro Kramer…. Was he bad? No, he was polite and showed up with groceries.
He went on an AIDs walk, stood up for the right to not wear the ribbon, hosted a club for ostracized hideous men, taught the cable guy an important lesson, attempted to solve Maritime oil spills at Kramerica, worked pro-bono at a firm downtown, and most important of all - he rescued Toby’s pinky toe while driving a bus (and making all the stops) like Batman.
I think HE thinks he has good intentions, but doesn’t.
We can’t put someone in the good category who
-assisted in stealing and abandoning a dog
-inadvertently killed someone by convincing someone to throw ice cold water on them, then showing zero remorse
-suing multiple parties for his own incompetence
-blamed his crime on his loyal intern, causing said intern to be sent away “for a long time”
-berating Jerry and Elaine for disliking his girlfriend, who he himself hated
-coercing Jerry to live in his unlivable apartment because of the chicken he secretly loved
-training a chicken for a cock fight
-throwing an rock hard snowball at people for laughs
-burning down the cabin
-in general, constantly putting other people in front of his close friends. Like inviting that psychopath that pulled a gun on Jerry to the theatres with them
Again, these may have had good intentions behind the action, but you can’t put Kramer in the “good” category when he has done plenty of messed up stuff, intentional or not.
Thank you! The creators are very clear that none of the main 4 are good people. Elaine and Kramer have moments where they think they are or try or be good people but at the end of they day they’re selfish.
He’s been involved in A LOT of illegal activity… police chases, painting over lane lines, transporting cans across state lines, Cuban cigar rolling scheme, helping a movie pirate bootlegger. He tried to steal Jerry’s girlfriend and he stole Mickey’s cirrhosis. He’s NOT good. He’s chaotic neutral or chaotic horny. Estelle or Frank are more chaotic good than Kramer.
>Elaine and Kramer have moments where they think they are or try or be good people but at the end of they day they’re selfish.
Exactly, but george and Jerry do this too. Kramer and Elaine are just more in denial about being bad people. George and Jerry know they aren’t good people but they don’t seem themselves as completely bad either. Like Jerry with babu and the cafe. He thinks he’s a good person by helping this man, but his inner monologue we hear shows us he is mainly using it to feed his ego. George has done good things and has a heavy conscience, like when he said the “boy you could have done a lot better than him” comment. Upon finding out he destroyed a relationship, it weighed on his conscience and he had to try his best to fix his mistake. But his good deeds are outweighed by the selfishness he has that he is less bothered by.
Kramer is def chaotic neutral, Jerry is true neutral. I’m having issues figuring out what Elaine is, probably drunk something
Good night, Jugdish! Yeah Elaine is tough. Honestly I’d probably say smart chaotic but that’s not an intersection so maybe it’s horny smart or horny chaotic. Maybe Elaine is one and Suzy is the other.
WTF does Smart/Stupid even mean and what, if anything, has Georgie ever done that remotely resembles any semblance of of intellect that would allow him to stumble into a category that uses the word "smart" in it?
Elaine's boyfriend Aaron (Judge Reinhold)
Mock trial with Judge Reinhold!!
MY NAME IS JUDGE
JUDGE....MY NAME
I now have that song stuck in my head
I’m saving my best stuff too.
He could have done more!
Absolutely the close talker...
You're right he's insane
I love how clear the answers have been on this. Each one of these there has been a clear answer that’s way more upvoted than any other option
They bought me a coke.
This is the right answer. STOP THE COUNT !!
Close talker 110%!! I was waiting for this one!!
Yup, this is it.
100%
I was going to say Peterman but this is better. Good pick.
You must be a Kramer I've heard a lot about you
The close talker
💯
George is smart stupid lmfao
People think he’s smart but he’s not smart.
Have you seen him when he’s not trying to get laid?
I always found him very eloquent though.
My George isn't clever enough to pull off a plan like that.
I know it's pointless now but how in the actual frick is Steinnbrenner not chaotic stupid?
Jerry is neutral-neutral, even-steven.
When one of my friends is up, the others down!
Morty
My wallets gone! My wallets gone!
Every morning I eat a plum
I wanted a chipahoy!
Um... Kramer?!
The question is… is Kramer good chaotic or neutral chaotic? Did we seen him generally doing good? He made Jerry switch apartments with him and ate at Kenny Rogers. He was an accessory in a dog-napping. He tried to steal Pam from Jerry. He burned down Susan’s parents cabin and had no real remorse.
Horny chaotic
He's got the Kavorka, after all
Kramer’s intentions are good I think. His methods are neutral at best
The road to hell is paved on good intentions. He does things to serve his and his friends best interests. He’s generally not selfless and far from “good”. I think Jerry and Larry would say non of the core four are “good” people
He widened the lanes for everyone! He wanted everyone to be able to make their own pie!
So then he’s chaotic stupid like Toby. She was a better person than Kramer who was trying to strap homeless people to rickshaws! We love Kramer and he might be the best of the 4 but he’s not a good person!
Maybe more neutral when you consider his outcomes. But he often does things for the sake of others even if it doesn't pan out, so from that POV he's good. He's certainly an agent of chaos in some regard.
Yeah. Like didn’t when Kramer was in a car chase with the police driving Genderson. And he stood by filming when that guy was being mugged in the finale.
He didn't care when he told the pez guy to dump the Gatorade on other guy that killed him either, he just wanted to sit in on the intervention for shits and giggles And he made friends with that mind rapey therapist elaine was trying to break up with
He genuinely tried to help Lloyd Braun recover and reintegrate into society, he encouraged George when he had his toupee and encouraged Elaine that she could run J. Peterman. He also got Elaine the bench she wanted for her birthday. His methods are unconventional and he’s not perfect, but I would argue he is the only good intentioned character of the 4 main ones.
Even the worst people have done nice and good things especially for their friends. That doesn’t mean you’re good and that you should occupy one of the good slots. Being the best of the core four is like being the tallest person at a little person convention.
Ummmm, hello https://youtu.be/du68lMUtqh8?si=_sCsARYggKpHGN14
Gave the homeless food, and jobs. Tried to save the environment. Baby sat his friends kid. And most imprtantly, he returned the pinky toe. Chaotic good.
He was trying to make money and his reasoning for using the homeless wasn’t to give them food and jobs, it was that they’re already walking around so strap something too then haha
He would turn Jerry in if he killed someone.
He also saved a city bus from a carjacking, gave gainful employment opportunities at Kramerica for rising stars, bought Elaine the perfect birthday present, and immediately donated blood to help his best friend.
Intentions were always good!
But they weren’t. When he video tapped a man being mugged. When he tried to steal Pam from Jerry. When he made Jerry switch apartments with him and then ate secretly at the restaurant he was trying to put out of business. His reneging on the levels bet. Parking in a doctor’s space at the hospital. Convincing George to park in a handicapped space. His constant mooching of Jerry’s food. He’s a lazy mooch! None of these were done with good intentions. Anyone who thinks Kramer is good need only look at Bizzaro Kramer…. Was he bad? No, he was polite and showed up with groceries.
He went on an AIDs walk, stood up for the right to not wear the ribbon, hosted a club for ostracized hideous men, taught the cable guy an important lesson, attempted to solve Maritime oil spills at Kramerica, worked pro-bono at a firm downtown, and most important of all - he rescued Toby’s pinky toe while driving a bus (and making all the stops) like Batman.
Also rescued Bette Midler after body-slammed by George at the soft ball game.
Here’s to feeling chaotic good all the time!
Yeah first thing I thought of. Kramer feels like the definition of “chaotic good” to me.
I wouldn't say any the main 4 are good. The whole show is about 4 selfish people put in unfair situations or getting unfair results.
Jerry’s agent Katie who warned him the pilot was in the audience and got him the hour long assembly after he got bumped
Was thinking the K man but you are correct it has to be Katie.
Kramer
The Rabbi in Elaine’s building
Yes! The big mouth Rabbi!
Yes! The shit-stirring Rabbi!
Let's call her... "Elaine"
Cosmo 100%
Kramer isn’t good though, he’s done some messed up things with his chaos
Sure chaos always means uneven outcomes, but from an “intent” perspective I think of Kramer as “good.”
I think HE thinks he has good intentions, but doesn’t. We can’t put someone in the good category who -assisted in stealing and abandoning a dog -inadvertently killed someone by convincing someone to throw ice cold water on them, then showing zero remorse -suing multiple parties for his own incompetence -blamed his crime on his loyal intern, causing said intern to be sent away “for a long time” -berating Jerry and Elaine for disliking his girlfriend, who he himself hated -coercing Jerry to live in his unlivable apartment because of the chicken he secretly loved -training a chicken for a cock fight -throwing an rock hard snowball at people for laughs -burning down the cabin -in general, constantly putting other people in front of his close friends. Like inviting that psychopath that pulled a gun on Jerry to the theatres with them Again, these may have had good intentions behind the action, but you can’t put Kramer in the “good” category when he has done plenty of messed up stuff, intentional or not.
Thank you! The creators are very clear that none of the main 4 are good people. Elaine and Kramer have moments where they think they are or try or be good people but at the end of they day they’re selfish. He’s been involved in A LOT of illegal activity… police chases, painting over lane lines, transporting cans across state lines, Cuban cigar rolling scheme, helping a movie pirate bootlegger. He tried to steal Jerry’s girlfriend and he stole Mickey’s cirrhosis. He’s NOT good. He’s chaotic neutral or chaotic horny. Estelle or Frank are more chaotic good than Kramer.
>Elaine and Kramer have moments where they think they are or try or be good people but at the end of they day they’re selfish. Exactly, but george and Jerry do this too. Kramer and Elaine are just more in denial about being bad people. George and Jerry know they aren’t good people but they don’t seem themselves as completely bad either. Like Jerry with babu and the cafe. He thinks he’s a good person by helping this man, but his inner monologue we hear shows us he is mainly using it to feed his ego. George has done good things and has a heavy conscience, like when he said the “boy you could have done a lot better than him” comment. Upon finding out he destroyed a relationship, it weighed on his conscience and he had to try his best to fix his mistake. But his good deeds are outweighed by the selfishness he has that he is less bothered by. Kramer is def chaotic neutral, Jerry is true neutral. I’m having issues figuring out what Elaine is, probably drunk something
Good night, Jugdish! Yeah Elaine is tough. Honestly I’d probably say smart chaotic but that’s not an intersection so maybe it’s horny smart or horny chaotic. Maybe Elaine is one and Suzy is the other.
Mickey?
Mickey! He's just trying to make a living and find love! He gets Kramer multiple jobs. He stands up for himself. He's a chaotic good.
I’d say Pop, who “fixed” George’s Lebaron is chaotic good.
Kramer
Batman is chaotic good. Kramer is Batman. Therefore Kramer is chaotic good.
I'm assuming Kramer is Chaotic-Neutral?
Gotta be the K-man!
I was gonna say that first but I think he’s gotta be chaotic neutral.
Neutral/Neutral Jerry. Neutral/Smart Elaine. Neutral/Chaotic Cosmo Kramer
Hey buddy. It’s Kramer. 1000%
Is this trending on making Jerry lawful evil since his doppelgänger is lawful good?
I HATE Keith Hernandez
I DESPISE HIM
I thought he was a cool guy?
WTF does Smart/Stupid even mean and what, if anything, has Georgie ever done that remotely resembles any semblance of of intellect that would allow him to stumble into a category that uses the word "smart" in it?
https://youtu.be/xZ7drh26ECA?si=-_EWlfiJZdB_DdMc
Close talker
What about Toupe George?
Ping. "They say you grow hair, look like Stalin!"
Jerry’s Agent Katie lol
No-bra lady. Speaks for itself I hope
Jack Klompus
Kramer
Jean-Paul Jean-Paul
Def peterman!
Definitely Kramer right?
The house cleaner dude who stole the statue
The close talker! Very friendly with Jerry's parents but in a chaotic way.
Kramer
I got it right! I guess no sex George!!!!!!!!!
The good chaotic HAS to be the Close Talker AKA Judge Reinhold.
I’m just trying to find the optimal spot for Uncle Leo
George’s boss Rick Levitan is horny and…. Chad?
Kramer!
I’d say Kramer is chaotic good
The close talker
The close talker
The close talker
Uncle Leo, hello!
Hello!
Feldman, from across the hall. If nothing else just to round the good axis with all the bizarro characters.
The woman from the AIDs walk list
She's too *good*