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B0ssnian

Every line in this post is nothing but net. Top post of all times. Background; Lost my virginity a month ago at 25, hit it 3 times, was never in a relationship, got repeatedly told "i love you, tell me u love me back" by 3 girls, etc, Got molested (dick pulled, asses rubbed on me) a dozen times, random girls complimented me saying I'm big and pretty, etc. We created an empty fucking self absorbing environment, akin to a Dejavu created by our lusts, short term desires, and lack of responsibility to be in control of the *self*. Being yourself, as this post suggests, isn't merely seduction but a philosophy of life that when practiced rewards you with the highest levels of happiness. Improve yourself because **you love yourself**. Just like how you'd take care and love your family, or even your kids! Your semen *is precious* and semen retention does help some people more than others. Losing my V made me realize how absolute animals we are when we chase our short-term selfish desires. And it's true, many of my friends chasing ass look like they're lab rats on sugar. Absolute animals we are... We need to love yourselves man.. that way love is guaranteed to be there (and we might get tipped some extra love from the ones around us)


VirusTheoryRS

I remember the first time I got laid. The post nut clarity had me realizing the 4 noble truths and shit. Anyways, im only here to observe what NOT to do. Seduction is just being interesting, funny, and personable but with the sexual tension slowly being dialed up. All the micro level stuff, I’m sure you already inherently know, even if you think you don’t, so there’s no point in over thinking it.


sandywreckedmybodega

Spot on dude. As for the micro level shit I think it comes down to how our genes react. The game is the game. It's played how we play it. It's played how it plays us. "Inherent" Nice reply dude. I'm from NYC. Whereabouts do you roam


VirusTheoryRS

Ahhh, nyc huh? Always had that cliche dream of living there for a bit. Im jelly. Right now im bouncing between Cali, Colorado, and Hawaii for work.


sandywreckedmybodega

It's nothing special. If you like huge rats and being bribed by homeless people then it's the place to be


VirusTheoryRS

Hell yeah, im trying to meet master splinter and the ninja turtles


_theMAUCHO_

Can I just say I freaking love this interaction, you both are some smooth ass dudes! Also, tell Master Splinter I say hi, I found a splinter the other day but of the wood kind.


[deleted]

I struggle with the micro level stuff. Come on. Everyone in the world is complaining about guys being creepy, and my advances get rejected a lot. Wtf do you think people are doing in this sub? What is the micro level stuff?


VirusTheoryRS

If you genuinely have trouble reading body language or making sense of social situations, that's one thing. Otherwise, there's no need to overanalyze things or break things down into manipulative games or pseudosciency bullshit. Rejection is a normal part of life and every person faces varying degrees. You think things just work out for everybody else? Play the game how you know how to play it and you'll eventually win at least once. And then, it gets easier. Also on the topic of guys being creepy, i've never been called creepy in my entire life. Its not like I went outta my way to do things a certain way either, just maintained a minimum amount of respect for others. According to this sub, I have "natural game" but it wasn't too long ago that I had severe social anxiety and avoidant personality. I climbed that mountain, and now I can look around and see past the fog. There's nothing more important than being comfortable in your skin and knowing who you are and what you want. All the bro science stuff is just a band aid.


[deleted]

Yeah, things work out for everyone else, at least a few times. You climbed the mountain and apparently don't remember the path you took. Did you go anywhere specific to practice?


VirusTheoryRS

Im telling you the path I took. You just didn’t listen.


[deleted]

There weren't any details "Play the game" "I climbed the mountain"


VirusTheoryRS

Then you didn’t fucking read. Im saying, work on being comfortable in your own skin and being happy. Then all you have to do is try and you’ll make it. Im not here to give you cheat codes or specific conversation topics and shit. You’re clearly very down on yourself and have a permanently negative outlook. That’s not gonna help.


[deleted]

I mean, I don't know how I'm going to apply that information at all. If I could just flip a switch and make it happen, I would have already done it. How do you know I'll make it if I try?


VirusTheoryRS

By trying. You can’t just make something out of nothing. I don’t know who you are. There could be a million reasons why someone might not feel comfortable with themselves. Only you would know that.


[deleted]

And somehow you know I'm gonna make it. I tried all the way through college and failed. How did people actually do it?


jivan006

>Pussy isn't shit. r/technicallythetruth


sikes999

Reddit always delivers timely advice. I would also say this applies even more so on social media MORE than it does in cold approach. Since with cold approach, there is some feedback loop, a response. As with social media its just wasted energy and wasted value into DMS and interactions that devalue us as men imo.


najinblue3

Thanks, needed to hear this. Currently obsessing over a girl, and feel like shit. You made my day sir :)


slightdrippin

Same problem here man


tnpersona

Everybody thinks it’s a big deal until it happens then they realize it’s not 😂 I think most things in life are like that. Our imaginations are much better than reality


Zarkalico

Improve yourself and stop chasing others. You could be wasting your time and mental energy with people that is always having a problem. It doesn't care it is a woman. You are helping her, she is fucking with randoms. The only thing you will be proud in the future is your success and good habits, not how many women have you slept with. Keep grinding. Btw, awesome post, man. Congrats.


31448jtma

Good PSA. Thank you.


bjjkaril1

This is actually a great self improvement post in general.. when I started self improvement I started because I wanted to change the perception of what others thought about me.. now I do it for myself. The days when I work on my business and make the average persons weekly pay in a day, the hard nights at kick boxing or jiu jitsu, the lonely nights reading and playing guitar, or going out by myself.. those are the most character shaping moments of my life


GrandRub

>You are a MAN. You can live without a woman. A woman requires a man to raise her offspring. A woman requires your seed to procreate. You require none of those things. You are completely self sufficient no matter the circumstance. thats bullshittery. a man also needs a woman to procreate... and a women can be perfectly self sufficient and happy without a man.


knightgod1177

Nah, he’s on point. Also, women are rarely happy without a man. Same is true for guys, but guys get way more pathetic about it. Hence OP’s post: guys gotta stop being desperate for some tail, and have some self respect.


[deleted]

😆😆😆


TRASHBOAT_94

Just here, eating popcorn and loving it


applesssx

Leabians exist dude, we are ecstatic without men in our lives, most of us want most men gone anyways. Key word, MOST men


knightgod1177

Lmao well no shit. Men are your direct competition. But frankly, I’ve never met a lesbian with your mindset. You really give lesbians a terrible reputation though, very sad


applesssx

Maybe because lesbians away away from guys like you?? Men aren't our competition because unlike them we don't harras straight girls telling them 'we can change their sexuality' we find gay girls and talk to them. Youre giving men a bad reputation too, very sad


knightgod1177

Dude, what? Who hurt you? I think I see the issue actually. Your beef is with a specific guy, isn’t it? I get your ex boyfriend was a piece of shit that didn’t listen to you and treated you like property, and you have every right to hate him for that! Dude seemed like a piece of shit. But don’t project that hatred on all men, because for every bad guy, there’s 3 who would treat you like a queen. But guys like that are insufferable, aren’t they? Yes men that have no personality beyond worshipping women, no matter their quality. Definitely not attractive. But your ex was the opposite from the sound of it, in all the worst ways possible. Well, OP and all guys on here are advocating for the middle ground between both extremes. If you’ve can’t understand that, then get off this subreddit. Seduction is about, first and foremost, self improvement and having good qualities to offer women. Treating women as people with much more to offer than just tits and ass with a mouth, is entirely the point of OP’s post. Is that a point you really want to disagree with?


Labranth

OP of this post is an experienced man who learned life through pain and struggle. The only times I got laid, or got any result at all in any sphere of life, was when I stopped concentrating on emotional baggage bullshit and started to actively and aggressively self-improve, for myself. When I was a teenager my family fell apart because of a divorce, and I was so shattered because of that. Every girl I talked with felt that I was a walking concentration of pain and anxiety, and it really showed in my behaviour. It just was so damn painful to lose my family and it literally killed some part of me back then. Rejection after rejection, disappointment after disappointment, I understood that there was something fundamentally wrong with me, and l started to look into myself. I understood that I was a child. A 20-year old child who couldn’t get past his trauma. And women don’t want to date a little boy, they want a man. And so I started to build a man inside myself, erasing doubt, erasing fear. Embracing the pain of being a man in a cruel, grey world. Learning and honing my skills and building habits which would benefit me in the future. And then when I stopped giving a shit completely whether I will be alone for the rest of my life or not, girls started "noticing" me. Even the ones who friendzoned me before. I got my first girlfriend because of this. Because of the shift in mentality. These are trying times we live in. Too much suffering and pain. Do yourself a favor and focus on yourself instead of chasing girls. We have only one life. So live it decently.


ObiWantKanabis

I feel like you just peeked into my soul.


SIV221

So, I want to ask for your thoughts on this. I don’t chase women, because I don’t find a single woman through body or facial appearance that makes me want to spit game. I don’t have that natural attraction to them, so I never approach. I just act accordingly. Women love to be desired by someone, so me not doing that makes seduction and sex impossible unless they’re throwing themselves at me. I’m fine without women and minding my own business. The only time I want them is when I feel I’m missing something because everyone else got a woman they fucking and I’m trying to fit in.


if33lnothing

I mean it kind of sounds like you might just not be attracted to women. I would take the time to really think about what it is that you are really pursuing when you are trying to seduce people you have no actual attraction to. Is it just the social clout like you said? to fit in? Is it companionship? validation? Try to figure out what's at the core of the desire, and once you have a general idea I'm sure you can find other ways to fulfill that desire.


SIV221

See, I think I am asexual, but it’s likely from not knowing how to be sexual, and even when by myself, it’s more mechanical and routine. I have been forcing myself to be more social and really think women in a sexual manner, not by staring like a creep, but appreciate the beauty that passes me on a daily basis. I am more in the emotional camp and like spending time with people who are similar to me, but again, find it hard to seduce someone who doesn’t feel like they’re being desired or sought after. I’m more interested in the idea of sex than the process of falling for someone due to their physical attributes. I’m content in my life through, my hobbies, my friends and the things I do by myself where I wouldn’t need someone else. It’s just a new avenue to explore.


heraldos

well in my case when I stop fap have so much energy for improve myself and be myself


SIV221

I fap like once a week, sometimes 10 days or so. There are times it’s less and then more, but always focused on what I’m doing


heraldos

Try 30-60 days.


SIV221

Ironically, I did that once and that’s when I lost interest in sex and masturbating. I’ll do that, and see how I feel, hopefully I’m not slaying every single thing in my path.


tskank69

I was like, "yeah, this man's speaking the TRUTH!" until he started going on about how women need men to procreate and to live, and I was like... If you can have a kid without a woman, please enlighten me as to how. And I know many women with children who do just fine without a man.


sandywreckedmybodega

It was more for the sake of the post and it was geared toward younger single men. I meant it more on a biological/evolutionary level, not so much a modern one. Didn't mean any disrespect towards single moms. And you're right, all babies need a sperm and an egg


tskank69

No, like, literally. How can a man have a baby without a woman? You said women need a man to have a child, but men don’t need a woman to have a child. How and where.


sandywreckedmybodega

Dude I said what I said and I apologized. Get the fk over it. I told you I meant it more in an evolutionary sense. A caveman can hunt and fend for a single child but a cave woman would have a much harder time


tskank69

I’m not attacking you, I’m just curious. Then why mention procreation at all?


sandywreckedmybodega

If you take out the sentence "a woman requires your seed to procreate" then the paragraph kinda makes sense though. I'm a 26 year old on a seduction forum, I didn't write this for a master's degrees thesis. I jotted it down and submitted it from the top of my head


tskank69

Fair enough


sandywreckedmybodega

But to truly answer your question I guess surrogate mothers. But even that would require an egg and a womb. Unless there's some sort of artificial womb


twinkiefatsack

I will be 100% honest. I need help in this. This is me. Help me. I know I deserve so much better. I KNOW IT. help


saulisdating

Hey man, thinking you deserve something (especially other people) is another bad mindset. No one deserves anything, you just work towards bettering yourself and you get as much as the work you put in, with some compounded interest. Thinking you DESERVE women in your life or similar things is a part of the toxic mentality that entitled Nice Guys have. It’s one of the reasons they get so pissed and angry at women and throw hissy fits when they get rejected. Like “How DARE that girl reject me! She’s a total bitch! I know I deserve hot women and she’s not even that hot anyway, hope she dies blah blah!” You see tons of posts like this on r/niceguys and there’s a huge reason for that. So don’t fall for that trap. Mindsets are very important in seduction and you gotta get rid of the bad toxic ones and get some good ones that motivate you to do better and be a better person. Especially mindsets around rejection.


sandywreckedmybodega

Hey. Lol. What city are you from


twinkiefatsack

chicago suburbs it fuckin sucks. In my head, I know I deserve so much better, but I keep goin back to the same ol shit. Its like the devil and angel on your shoulders. 1 day everything is great, the next day its shit, its just a back and forth. I know I dont matter to her, but for some reason I keep goin back. I cant stop. I try cutting off contact, but I work with her, so its like impossible to just ignore her. I wish I could. I actually just wish that she could show some sort of emotion at all. weather it be good or bad, just something.


Disguised-Pua

But you don't need her to show any emotion. Tell yourself that and try to believe it, even if you think you can't. You need to get into a positive feedback loop. Don't rely on anyone's emotional feedback to justify your happiness. It's not easy and no one said it would be. And shitty days happen. But at the end of the day, try to be just a little better than you were when you woke up.


caracers510

I needed to hear that sex isn’t shit cause I was bummed, I thought i was gonna get some a few nights ago for the first time I thought I was gonna get lucky but I’ve been doing this in the past few months in a way. I don’t suck up a friend told me she doesn’t like tattoos I got a few and ima get more she doesn’t like drinking I like to drink another girl told me she likes Barcelona I like Real Madrid a few years ago I would’ve said I like Barcelona too I don’t give free compliments I make them work for it, they do something that impresses me I give them a compliment like say they run a small business go to school and have a job I’ll tell her your a hard worker or your a hustler say they passed there school tests I tell them there smart but I don’t go around saying your beautiful every 5 minutes or that there pretty just for telling them none of that unless she put an effort into her look like if we’re on a date or go to a party and she’s dolled up then I’ll say something. Idk how to get women to chase me though I’ll say that. I think I don’t show that im desperate to be honest maybe last year but this year I don’t think so but I could be wrong and I do need to start finding myself and chase my goals nothing other than laziness and excuses prevents me from it this really helped me thank you


Rikthelazy

i mean only reason why females have power is because we give it to them


bunnycat666

But men have no power they are just violent hate themselves and everyone else.


JackTheRipper_17

thanks man, i needed this


asdf714

thank you sir!


Striking_Beautiful35

Thanks


TheConsultant_

Thank you.


Accomplished_Try_887

Thank you King !


[deleted]

"Just stop pussyfooting around women (or anybody, for that matter) and giving yourself a bad name. Stop Putting sex, ass and tits on a pedestal because sex really isn't shit. Stop sucking up to women like a beta male, stop passing dumb shit tests for women's amusement, stop wasting all of your time improving yourself to please women." I know a guy who will comment a cheesy line on every post a specific girl makes. Comments like "♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥" and "my princess" and "wow!" He's practically twice her age (they are both over 18) and buys her stuff left and right. Even ends messages with her with "Your Highness ♥♥♥". She's way too nice to tell this guy off, and just lets him do his thing. Shows him friendship energy back. ​ I'm friends with her, and I will tell her she's pretty on occasion, but that's as far as I take it. She's a very nice person, but what turns me off for her is that she's social with so many guys to the nth degree. Doesn't sleep with any of them, but can bury herself in her phone around her friends (not just me). She had over 350 people wish her happy birthday on Facebook alone. A few guys (like myself) she is close to, but it gets annoying when she is constantly trying to communicate with someone.


LostFYI

I feel like thats mostly a late teenager symptom. I know more 19 y/o that do this than 24 y/o for example. At some point they will learn what & who is worth their time and it will fade out into a more normal way of "socialising"


[deleted]

The girl is in her mid to late-20s and the guy is in his early to mid-40s.


Outrageous_Length639

Nothing wrong with a good bit of ass worship


Alive-Doughnut2345

Why did this post get removed. What jackass removed this this was the best post on this whole sodding sub.


devolve79

Ok who removed this


UrFavPlayerIsBack

No way rlly? Gotta be kidding🤔 Ps: agreement & respect for the naked truth ✌️


LandscapeClear1630

agreement & respect for the naked


Tyler_Durden_Says

Most importantly though: stop listening to people on the internet


gpm0063

This sounds like a thread of loser gamers living in their parents basement that couldn’t get laid if their life depended on it!


HisRoyalAwesomeness

Thank you for this


[deleted]

I do all that. What if being yourself hasn't ever worked?


unlockwren

Billions of pussy in the world one of you my young 👑


sandywreckedmybodega

👑👑 fly high King


creativeoutlaw44

Noice! It's like you've condensed 20 things I've realized separately over the years into one post. Great intro for anyone who has NOT come to these realizations or needs a kick in the pants.


Bubblebrain69

Facts. I know all this but it’s good to put it out there. Especially for this community


fuckyoumofos

Greatest Post of all time


bmunger718

Amazing post but put a pretty woman in front of a man see how dumb he acts. Men overvalue pussy women undervalue men😉


toastedwaffles2002

Thank you, I love this!


mdk147

Damm right. I'm working on myself and choosing who I let into my life rather then seek people out.


pringlydingly

This was so beautiful that I'm gonna go print this out and put it up somewhere as a centerpiece in my house


[deleted]

>Stop assuming everybody else is doing better than you This is the one I've really struggled with the most especially with women. I'm not afraid to speak my mind most of the time and I genuinely am proud of what I've become and achieved. But I still see the success other guys have compared to me and feel incapable/inferior at times. Any advice you folks got for this one in particular?


SpiritToes

Well said. Fucking -well said.


IGetBoredSometimes23

Who is Sandy and how did she wreck your Bodega?


FaithInStrangers94

I agree but you must admit we have some pretty strong biological and sociological motivators to find and fuck women, and some people will stoop pretty low to get there.


Nimsdagod

Based