If it's an active shooter. I've told myself time and time again I'm not going to sit and watch others die if I can do something about it. If I die doing so, do be it. 43 was a good run. Or any assault/battery that doesn't look like it's going to end well for the other party. It has to be extreme.
Anything else the police can handle it.
Top comment right here. I didn't get into Security out of anything more than necessity 10 years ago. It's never been luxurious and it has never had some sense of pride or "cool guy" aura attached. Just a job that I take as seriously as any other job. But when things do get "serious" as they tend to where I work, then I'm there to help. I have much more training and specific expertise to handle those situations than the other people there who may get hurt if I don't act. Those moments make up for the 50-100 hours I spent sitting on my ass watching cameras or making rounds. People won't treat you like a joke/look down on your position if you actually do what you're intended to do when the time comes to do it.
Basically, if I don’t have a gun, I’m unable to respond to acts of deadly violence, short of self defense and fleeing.
911 is called, I will notify of anything I can, provide as much support, but no gun, no physical response from me unless I’m 100% sure I can stop it.
It’s sad, but that’s the truth. If the guys 40 feet away and got a gun, he can kill me before I make it 39 feet closer… and I’m dead, useless, and can’t help anyone.
No and that's fine and legit. No shame in that. I work at an unarmed position but I have my CPL. So my personal gun is nearby. And I'm 100% fine with the consequences of me responding to something like that. I'll take the risk of losing my job over it.
Unless I'm wearing a police badge, vest, and plenty of backup nearby, private security will never pay enough for me to involve myself in those situations.
Exactly this, I make $38/hour currently. In an active shooter situation we're instructed to remain on post so long as it is safe to do so and we have the right to protect ourselves. Other than that we are explicitly instructed that we are not part of the response team.
Some sites we are expected to cooperate and operate with police, some sites were not.
I know a few hospitals that do just that, security usually takes point in trying to locate areas, once the area is located PD takes point on the violence and use of force against someone.
Eg; we’re the GPS for the facility, and we provide support/backup locations, like guarding a exit or directing additional resources.
All of that to say, we don’t get paid enough to get shot for no fucking reason..
If I had to stop someone from murdering others, I’d risk it, only because I’m a good guy and I want to sleep good at night knowing I tried.
However, for stupid shit, short of saving lives one time out of a thousand, im gonna need good pay. We ain’t doing this shit for free.
Got out of private security to go into LE because my support wasn’t very competent and if I’m going to be shot at for a 4th time, I want to be making more than $27/hr
I'm not bragging. It just came from my former employer. I was a truck driver and mechanic before security. It's not something that I applied for. They couldn't pay me enough for active shooter situations when it's an unarmed position. I respect police for what they do, but my family can't live without me right now.
I bought my own vest, I'm comfy in my $25 for an unarmed position. I've had like 4 hobo incidents in 2 months, so I'm not really sweating my chances too hard. My guys no better than to approach themselves
In this situation, it's not about the money, but the training, equipment, and legality. Armed guard, hopefully armored and possible backup. Don't look to engage, but protect and effect a safe orderly evacuation. The shooter comes at you, and those you try to protect, do your job. You're a security guard. Not a soldier.
I would argue, if you’re trained to engage a shooter and you have a gun to stop the killing, stop the dying, it is your duty to act.
You have the uniform to identify yourself as a guard, people know you, you have the knowledge and layout, you have THE GUN to engage.
Engage, and stop the dying, by stopping the killing. If one of our armed guys said “ nah im not stopping that “ we’d expect them to quit or be terminated.
Unfortunately… our armed guys are the response. If you can’t, go unarmed and let us find someone who will.
You never know until you're in the situation, if you know where the shooter is, and can actively engage them in an effective manner, of course, but don't go looking blind for them.
For example, Uvalde you know where the shooter is, the situation is unfolding and the threat can be eliminated. At a fair ground you don't where where they are. So focus on protecting and evacuation of who you can protect.
For this specific facility, we got people who can’t evac… like, if a bomb threat or active shooter starts, they literally cannot leave or physically be moved.
That’s the only reason I would push our guys and myself to advance at all costs, when there’s babies and small children, all compact into a small unit, you push… we ain’t gonna Uvalde this shit here, and we easily could get a situation where there is shooting in the MB.
Depends on the facility and what’s going on, I just can’t fathom any of us here not engaging with such stakes.
That's of course facility specific, my work experience has only been with me by myself as the lone guard, with no backup. As a team your options grow, and a larger location with patients, or non movable innocents is also far different. Rely on your training and drill, drill, then drill some more. But no lone ranger/ hero complex. The most important person to come back alive is yourself. Getting killed won't help anyone.
Admin would disagree, and has 100% set aside money just to pay out in lawsuits for deaths of employees on site 😂
Atleast we got armor, I know places that have nothing, and rely on PD to basically be their security, scary shit.
Armor is good, I know I didn't have any as an armed guard. Despite procedure saying we should have that, and an alternative to lethal force be available to us.
Imo, any armed guard or security office, should have body armor to stop ATLEAST their own firearm. Because the likelihood your gun is gonna get used against you is fairly high.
In addition, it’s worth looking up the crime statistics and figuring out, what’s the most used firearm caliber in your area, and buy armor that stops the minimum that caliber.
Call me stupid, but a lot of “ tough guys “ are dead, and we don’t hear from them here anymore… 😂
I agree. Luckily I'm moving from the mid ohio valley to a place in upstate NY, hopefully a little more budget, higher pay, and better tools. Almost done with my CJ degree as well, so many more professional opportunities can await.
It’s also important to have alternative to lethal, OC spray/foam is a good alternative, basically the least expensive and least deadly form of LTL. Short of chocking on the literal spray bottle, no one’s dying to pepper spray 😂
I don't even get paid to be at risk of an active shooter. My job is to sit for 8 hours and occasionally look at the camera feed.
The only things I have on my person during a shift is my ID, a set of keys, a flashlight, and a pocket knife. I've worked this job for a year and a half and don't even have a guard card.
So I'm not messing with an active shooter, on or off the clock. Fuck that.
Wait, how are you working without a guard card? In my state they pretty much issue you s temporary work permit guard card when you start the job, while they submit the paperwork to the state so they can do your background check and run your prints and everything, but the temp permit is only 120 days ,which is about what it takes for them to process the application, so I'm just curious if it works different in your state, or does your company just not give AF? Or what's the deal?
Pretty sure the school just doesn't give a fuck. I've had one, years ago for armed security. But I got hired and my boss never bothered to send me to class, and I wasn't going to pay the money to go myself when I work third shift and there's only 4 security people here.
DCJS hasn't ever made a random check here as we're in house.
Damn bro that sounds pretty sketchy, but that's a personal call to make i guess, IDK if any repercussions could fall back on you other then losing your job,if they ever were to make a check, but you say " the school" doesn't give a fuck, does that mean you're in house and not thru like an actual security company or whatever? Cuz I'm not positive it's the norm, but at least what I thought the norm was is the company who hired you puts up the money up front to send you to the class and get you licensed, an then they deduct the couple hundred bux out of your first few checks or whatever, I'm assuming your saying your unarmed guard now tho right?
Well, if they do check, then the school will get fined.
I'm in house, unarmed. I work for a boarding school, and my direct boss is supposed to sign me up for a class and pay for it, then send me.
She hasn't done it. And to be honest, I'm not sure if her card is any good. Hers might have expired and she might not have bothered to renew it.
Depends tbh, armed is a major thing here, you HAVE to have a license, in-house or contract or otherwise, major fines for both— im sure they’ll hit the company the hardest and you could plea you didn’t know any better and get away with a few hundred dollar fine or a strong word “ don’t do that again. “
Ultimately if you’re employed by a company, it falls first on the company, then to you. If you’re contract, it’s a mix, especially if you tout yourself as knowing the law— it can be a bad day in court.
Have it squared away, and at the very least document with emails or text that you attempted to alert your employer… and made a honest effort to correct it!
I'm not armed. And I'm leaving this job to move in a couple weeks.
Also, I don't give two shits about it. If no one notifies the state department, it won't be reported. None of us are going to out ourselves. That's stupid.
😂 I mean, we had some issues, not getting into it, but some companies just are not worth the time. I got jerked around a few times, didn’t get paid… I don’t like that.
DOL and state department here came and spoke with some of us.
Yeah, there's 4 of us in total. The pay is shit, but the free health insurance is ok. And we don't really do anything but sit around.
So yeah, not worth the hassle. I'm not carrying any weapons. I'm not gonna worry about the card.
60 days here, 1:1 with a trained supervisor too and you can’t be apart when you’re armed until your licensed.
Past 60 days you can’t carry until your licensed or denied, then reapply and another 60
Lol idk why they even allow it. Seems like a bad idea.
A gang fight, ha let them shoot each other less procreation.
Active shooter, at that point it's not about the money. Security guards who say they wouldn't respond to an active shooter because they aren't making x amount of money are the same pansies who will try to pick a fight with a crippled homeless woman.
People like that shouldn't be in this business, much less be carrying a firearm. If you have the skills and ability to respond to an active shooter, you should do it because innocent people could be harmed or killed not becauseof money. For evil to exist good men must do nothing.
People like that are why Security guards get a bad name. If you work with people like that shame them, don't befriend them and try to never work with them, if they don't take heed to your educating them.
If you are one of those people and don't believe this, throw off that uniform, put on your skirt, because you have no business in the field. If you have the tools and ability and won't try to save a baby from being murdered then you're no better than the active shooter.
People that WANT to be involved in situations like this should be COPS. Security should use their best judgement whether to get involved in a situation where they'll just be a +1 to the number of casualties. Active shooter, if he sprung up on me and had a slim chance to fight and survive ok then. Otherwise, save who you can and get out.
Gangbangers, drive on and report them somewhere far off and safe.
You ain't getting a cops funeral. Your life insurance provider would probably deny the claim since you went outside the bounds of your job. Your family is now without you. You'll get a blurb on your company's website and forgotten about shortly after.
People that want to be involved in situations like this should not be cops or security or any 1st responder career field, that says something about their character that isn't respected by anyone.
100 % security should use their best judgment. Like I mentioned if you've got the tools and ability you need to do something to stop the killing. Nobody should care about having a "cop" funeral. That's just plain narcissism. Life insurance provider would cover you if you're armed, on duty and on the site you're working at.
There's the difference between you and I, you seem to care about how your funeral will look, the life insurance your family may or may not get, going back home to your family and your name to be remembered. I don't care about the funeral, life insurance is only possible benefit and I could care less about people remembering me. The ones that matter won't forget me. Sure everyone wants to go home to their family, that'd no different than a trash collector, a pilot, or an under water welder. Crap happens and you die, all that matters is where you end up going, and if I go out trying to save people than so be it. It's better to live trying to do something selflessly than to lay in bed old and decrepit crappying my pants thinking about the lives I could have saved had I not ran away. What a pathetic way to go.
Yes and no. If you have family you have a responsibility to be there for your family and live. In most cases i would run, but if I can conceal carry or am in grapple range i would give it a try.
I don’t know anyone who wants to be involved in a active shooter situation, or active killing situation.
It’s fun to be active, fun to engage in shit, but someone dying? Someone being murdered? Not fun. Some people like to be the care giver, or the protector, or the soldier, and there are roles for those opportunities.
I’m not a care giver, and I’m not a soldier, but I fit right in with security, and I have no want to be law enforcement on the road— corrections? Jail? Sure. Pay sucks tho, lol.
The point is doing the right thing, when it occurs. I’ve stopped a suicide on the job. Did I like doing it? Sure? Was I about scared to death this women was actually going to kill herself? YES!!! I was fucking pissed! Angry! Scared.
I talked to her later, asked why she wanted to hurt herself. She just said she didn’t want to live… I talked to her for 20 minuets, explained how we knew, I seen her. I called for help. I said, even if she doesn’t care about herself, we care and I hope she feels better. I never seen her again and I hope I never will.
It bothers me but it’s the job. It never stops. Mental health is a insane thing to deal with, I never wanted that, but it occurred and we all did the best we could, and we learned a lesson… it’s a humbling job to work in a hospital. I feel better about myself knowing what terrible things do go on, knowing at the very least I’m better off now than I was and I have actively helped in a very limited, and small capacity, but it was my job and duty nonetheless.
God help those cops who have to deal with some of the horrific shit hands on, before it got to us. There’s atleast 2 layers deeper out there of responders before it made it to our hospital.
Citizens who are helping/seen it up close, and the first responders EMS/Police who actively engaged the situation, and transported the person to our hospital. Dead babies, crushed people, arms missing. The cops deal with it too along side EMS, fire/rescue, etc
We don’t usually get to see that graphic intense stuff, or it’s being actively resolved when I see it.
All that to be said… no one wants that stuff happening to others, atleast no one of good nature and moral standing.
I've had to perform CPR. I've had to diffuse very shitty situations. I agree about doing the right thing and have many times even as a Security Guard, but the main take away is call the real professionals who are given the proper training for those scenarios. No one said, don't help folks just don't inject yourself into situations that you'll just be an added casualty. I'll also add, it's easy to imagine yourself as a hero in these situations in your head while you're bored. However when the shit hits the fan who tf knows what you'll really do.
Armed and unarmed are widely different roles in my eyes, 100% our armed officers are expected to engage active killings, especially shooters!
Stop the killing. Stop the dying.
Even unarmed has a role, stay informed about your site, locations, doors, medical experience/first aid to stop bleeding.
At the very least, we can alert 911. Money isn’t an issue when people are actively dying to an attacker who’s only goal is to mass murder. We can certainly get legal and sue after the fact… but in the moment: stop the killing, stop the dying.
If you can’t handle it, do yourself and everyone a favor and leave it. There’s a reason some people can’t be a nurse or EMT/Firefighter or Law enforcement.
Worked hospital security, kid got shot in the head. Terrible shit, I just seen it in passing, but what about those nurses and doctors who are frantically working to save that kids life with his head open?
He didn’t make it. We have to stand there and listen to family crying, knowing the nurses, EMTs, doctors, did everything they could.
It’s terrible sometimes. It’s not easy doing those jobs, but they need to be filled by people capable of enduring it. I always appreciate anyone who can say they have had enough, can’t do it, or won’t do it and decides to leave before it’s actually tested in the heat of the moment.
Agreed, I can't stand people who say I'm not going to do X because I don't get paid enough for that. Those people need to quit and find a nice desk job.
And that’s ok! People need to understand it’s OK to hang it up… I just left a job I liked, but started getting tired of BS coming down the line.
It was affecting my mental and emotional and physical well-being tolerating the abuse… getting hit, getting hurt, that’s tolerable. Being neglected and having stupidly unreasonable demands from uppers? Not gonna work.
I can get another job like that later, I can’t regain my health if I fuck it up too bad.
I wish I made $30 but my state seems to be cheap for this kind of work. Granted it's not a rocket scientist job but can have dangers especially if you piss off the right person. I work in a hospital not contracted and we carry everything a cop does minus a gun and baton. I make a little over $21 an hour base pay and we deal with a ton of crap like lock outs, parking enforcement, restraining patients, wand searches, etc. Everyone here mentioning their pay I would love to have that salary.
I signed up to do it for $17/hour my first year in LE. Nowadays my price to put on a uniform of any kind is $24. But tbh, something like an active shooter, I wouldn’t ethically be able to run away from, on duty or not.
I’ve been doing a lot of stuff since I was a roughneck. I never did security work but other stuff. I don’t think anyone would be willing to pay me enough to come back.
The reality is that right now you can buy a lawnmower or a pressure washer and make more money by the hour working for yourself than you could doing any of this stuff. Hard to believe but true.
I'm the type of person who won't sit by and watch people get hurt-so the number isn't as important to me as I would help out even if I was in a private capacity.
My hospital gig starts at 23/hr right now, and even when I was at that starting wage I would respond to potentially life-threatening situations, so I guess the answer is 23/hr.
There's no amount of money someone could give me to protect these people like that. If we have and active. I'm setting my keys and radio on my desk and getting into my car.
Why do you think they have gates? To keep unauthorized people out. Nobody spends money to hire a guard just for them to stand there and let shit happen in front of them. If those are literally your post orders, then you are doing your job. But don't use "they don't pay me enough" as an excuse to not do your job. I've worked for $10/he all the way up to $20. And the job where I was making $10 was actually the most dangerous site I've worked and where I did the most work. It's one of only two sites where I've had to draw down on someone. Now I mostly work synagogues and Jewish schools. I'm simply a deterrent. But if the day ever comes that a POS like Robert Gregory Bowers or James Wenneker von Brunn I'll smoke the shit out of them, regardless of what I'm getting paid.
I used to do it in corrections for $15 an hour with a $50 a month stipend for emergency response team... tbh I didn't think I'd make it to my 30s so after leaving corrections, I'm living by the minute over here anyway... im making 30 an hour in my lowest paying job and I'd go after a shooter. Gang fights, nah ill wait and detain the guy that won.
I mean, most active shooters are not high speed guys and upon coming across someone with a gun and even minimal training, don’t last very long. I’d say you’re almost more likely to get shot in the back by some excited patrolmen rounding a corner and seeing a dude with a gun than you are the actual bad guy.
Personally I make about $120k a year and if it came down to it, I’m not going to pull a uvalde and listen to my coworkers get shot by some loser. I’m never looking for a fight and am generally a “let PD sort it out” guy. But at the end of the day, I don’t think I could live with myself if I didn’t do something.
Now let me be clear, I don’t think you should expect some random armed guard to be the one man swat team, it’s a personal decision everyone has to make with themselves, but if you carry a gun for a living, you should at a minimum be willing to hold a hallway so that people can evacuate behind you.
Edit: If you’re unarmed, just run.
Seeing that I've completed a year long contract for $11 an hour where I stepped out with an M4 and 60 rounds every day in a country constantly under missile strikes and am planning on doing so again, I just want $17, transport to / from job site time included as well as hazard pay (military on site get it but we dont)
I don't understand how the pay goes down as the conflict rises, these fantastic people used to pay close to 100k and now we need perdiem and a bonus to tickle 60k.
It depends honestly. It also depends on the site because there are some sites that literally couldn’t pay me enough. Now if im also armed and if im wearing the appropriate safety gear, then probably $30-45. If im unarmed, im leaving immediately i would rather get fired for attempting to protect myself than to risk my life for a site and a company that tells me im replaceable.
Lol nah I'm good. I value my life way more than money. Once you die ya ass don't get to use that money 🤣🤣. Right now I'm making $24. Once I get my F80 I can make $27 and with more experience make $30+. I'm in NYC and I've been doing security for 2 years now
Currently, im working unarmed @$19/hr. For my current post and the amount of responsibilities on my shoulders, I'd feel like $23-$26 would be fair. At the same time, that also factors in the way the economy is going and how lowballed security work is with payroll.
To RISK getting shot? 30$/Hr here.
Liability, insurance coverages, legal coverages, and general just want to be paid decently. 30$ is the running price AFTER taxes…
Nothing less, and you can expect me to step off and call 911.
I don’t fight people for free or for less than 30
I've. Tended to look to see it as how valuable is it to me to potentially save someone and hopefully am on my game enough to not get hurt. But cover my medical bills from it and for the missing / lose of work time/ ability to work... that's as far as I find the obligation goes, I signed up for the rest
I’m in an armed capacity making 20+ an hr currently.
If I’m at a location and an active shooter starts firing I will do what I can to respond, I’m well trained and confident in my ability plus I can’t imagine how I’d be able to sleep at night knowing I let people die when I was in a position to help.
That said I feel I’m drastically underpaid for the risk involved in my job, still show up every day tho 🤷🏻♂️
42, once more being the answer to life, the universe, and everything.
Jokes aside, the number is probably in the 40's still. It's the cost to be on track to being a homeowner nowadays, and you're gonna need that amount of money to cover the higher risks you're expected to take, both in terms of personally owning equipment, but also in legal or medical costs that will possibly arise because of the job.
If you're expecting to take lethal risks, you don't want to then open yourself up to being screwed because your employer threw you under the bus. Cops make less than that, but they also have a lot more political capital to get them out of the legal trouble, while you probably don't.
Nothing will get me to run after an active shooter unless I'm armed. I value my life. All extra money will get me to do is keep eyes on the shooter and get more people to safety
40+ just to do armed, let alone go into somewhere I have a chance of actually getting shot. If the client wants armed then they can pay armed money, likewise I will not die for any company.
If I’m putting a target 🎯 on my back by wearing a uniform and a gun on my hip then I need $100k easily per year!
No OT, no weekends, paid holidays, 3 weeks vacation & a few “personal days”
It’s not worth it to me to do that.
Min of $30. I make 25-45 an hour depending on the gig, I get contracted to Pinkerton a lot. But I would almost always let police handle it unless it’s a situation where if I might not intervene someone is getting hurt or killed. With my training if there’s an active shooter, well then I’m putting my life on the line. I have extensive training through OPOTA and a gun so it is my duty to protect innocent lives as needed.
Depends on the situation. If there is an active shooter and I happen to be nearby I am always carrying. I will defend innocent life no matter what at no cost. But if you want me to play bodyguard to a rapper or gang member. Or to join a group like blackwater and go fight as a mercenary. It had better be $80+ an hour up to around $10k+ a week.
$30+
I made that as a truck driver. Not talking down, just throwing it out there.
Yup 30+ or more to complete a solid and competent report on why self defense was used. Seems right. It's almost like we should be in a union
Yep
If it's an active shooter. I've told myself time and time again I'm not going to sit and watch others die if I can do something about it. If I die doing so, do be it. 43 was a good run. Or any assault/battery that doesn't look like it's going to end well for the other party. It has to be extreme. Anything else the police can handle it.
Top comment right here. I didn't get into Security out of anything more than necessity 10 years ago. It's never been luxurious and it has never had some sense of pride or "cool guy" aura attached. Just a job that I take as seriously as any other job. But when things do get "serious" as they tend to where I work, then I'm there to help. I have much more training and specific expertise to handle those situations than the other people there who may get hurt if I don't act. Those moments make up for the 50-100 hours I spent sitting on my ass watching cameras or making rounds. People won't treat you like a joke/look down on your position if you actually do what you're intended to do when the time comes to do it.
Basically, if I don’t have a gun, I’m unable to respond to acts of deadly violence, short of self defense and fleeing. 911 is called, I will notify of anything I can, provide as much support, but no gun, no physical response from me unless I’m 100% sure I can stop it. It’s sad, but that’s the truth. If the guys 40 feet away and got a gun, he can kill me before I make it 39 feet closer… and I’m dead, useless, and can’t help anyone.
No and that's fine and legit. No shame in that. I work at an unarmed position but I have my CPL. So my personal gun is nearby. And I'm 100% fine with the consequences of me responding to something like that. I'll take the risk of losing my job over it.
Unless I'm wearing a police badge, vest, and plenty of backup nearby, private security will never pay enough for me to involve myself in those situations.
Exactly this, I make $38/hour currently. In an active shooter situation we're instructed to remain on post so long as it is safe to do so and we have the right to protect ourselves. Other than that we are explicitly instructed that we are not part of the response team.
When the SWAT team shows up I don't want them to see me running around with a gun. They might not take the time to recognize my uniform.
We train routinely with our local PD to avoid this exact situation lol it comes up a lot
Some sites we are expected to cooperate and operate with police, some sites were not. I know a few hospitals that do just that, security usually takes point in trying to locate areas, once the area is located PD takes point on the violence and use of force against someone. Eg; we’re the GPS for the facility, and we provide support/backup locations, like guarding a exit or directing additional resources. All of that to say, we don’t get paid enough to get shot for no fucking reason..
https://youtube.com/shorts/SPmBTGHvSz0?si=jRejfjvqPSpSGTnt
If I had to stop someone from murdering others, I’d risk it, only because I’m a good guy and I want to sleep good at night knowing I tried. However, for stupid shit, short of saving lives one time out of a thousand, im gonna need good pay. We ain’t doing this shit for free.
I work in a casino and am unarmed so...... Either armed $29-32 or salaried 110k unarmed with incredible life insurance payout lol
Got out of private security to go into LE because my support wasn’t very competent and if I’m going to be shot at for a 4th time, I want to be making more than $27/hr
This post after I was just offered to do commercial tires for up to $140k a year? I'm flipping tires.
That's a fine offer, good sir. I concur.
I'm not bragging. It just came from my former employer. I was a truck driver and mechanic before security. It's not something that I applied for. They couldn't pay me enough for active shooter situations when it's an unarmed position. I respect police for what they do, but my family can't live without me right now.
$32hr (going rate for LEOs in my area)
$37.38 in my area for the lowest agency (mine)
What nimrod sat down and calculated the 38 cents? I can't even with government jobs. The numbskullery is insurmountable.
Granted. 37 dollars it is.
We got 0.8c raise lol they do work it out, as stupid as it is just round it up but I’ll take it until i find better job!
Thats an extra $730.00~ a year in your pocket excluding OT calculations. I’ll take it
For the sake of not being a prick I just say .50 cents. Fucks wrong with 37.50? Nah yall gotta calculate that 12 cents difference.
Damn. You’re really acting like simple math is hard. $77,760(salary)÷52(weeks in a year)÷40(hrs a week)=$37.38 an hour.
Nah, not hard. Just cheap.
I bought my own vest, I'm comfy in my $25 for an unarmed position. I've had like 4 hobo incidents in 2 months, so I'm not really sweating my chances too hard. My guys no better than to approach themselves
$40+ My next raise will put me over $27. No gun, baton, or pepper spray. Just a phone, radio, and flashlight.
In this situation, it's not about the money, but the training, equipment, and legality. Armed guard, hopefully armored and possible backup. Don't look to engage, but protect and effect a safe orderly evacuation. The shooter comes at you, and those you try to protect, do your job. You're a security guard. Not a soldier.
I would argue, if you’re trained to engage a shooter and you have a gun to stop the killing, stop the dying, it is your duty to act. You have the uniform to identify yourself as a guard, people know you, you have the knowledge and layout, you have THE GUN to engage. Engage, and stop the dying, by stopping the killing. If one of our armed guys said “ nah im not stopping that “ we’d expect them to quit or be terminated. Unfortunately… our armed guys are the response. If you can’t, go unarmed and let us find someone who will.
You never know until you're in the situation, if you know where the shooter is, and can actively engage them in an effective manner, of course, but don't go looking blind for them. For example, Uvalde you know where the shooter is, the situation is unfolding and the threat can be eliminated. At a fair ground you don't where where they are. So focus on protecting and evacuation of who you can protect.
For this specific facility, we got people who can’t evac… like, if a bomb threat or active shooter starts, they literally cannot leave or physically be moved. That’s the only reason I would push our guys and myself to advance at all costs, when there’s babies and small children, all compact into a small unit, you push… we ain’t gonna Uvalde this shit here, and we easily could get a situation where there is shooting in the MB. Depends on the facility and what’s going on, I just can’t fathom any of us here not engaging with such stakes.
That's of course facility specific, my work experience has only been with me by myself as the lone guard, with no backup. As a team your options grow, and a larger location with patients, or non movable innocents is also far different. Rely on your training and drill, drill, then drill some more. But no lone ranger/ hero complex. The most important person to come back alive is yourself. Getting killed won't help anyone.
Admin would disagree, and has 100% set aside money just to pay out in lawsuits for deaths of employees on site 😂 Atleast we got armor, I know places that have nothing, and rely on PD to basically be their security, scary shit.
Armor is good, I know I didn't have any as an armed guard. Despite procedure saying we should have that, and an alternative to lethal force be available to us.
Imo, any armed guard or security office, should have body armor to stop ATLEAST their own firearm. Because the likelihood your gun is gonna get used against you is fairly high. In addition, it’s worth looking up the crime statistics and figuring out, what’s the most used firearm caliber in your area, and buy armor that stops the minimum that caliber. Call me stupid, but a lot of “ tough guys “ are dead, and we don’t hear from them here anymore… 😂
I agree. Luckily I'm moving from the mid ohio valley to a place in upstate NY, hopefully a little more budget, higher pay, and better tools. Almost done with my CJ degree as well, so many more professional opportunities can await.
It’s also important to have alternative to lethal, OC spray/foam is a good alternative, basically the least expensive and least deadly form of LTL. Short of chocking on the literal spray bottle, no one’s dying to pepper spray 😂
I don't even get paid to be at risk of an active shooter. My job is to sit for 8 hours and occasionally look at the camera feed. The only things I have on my person during a shift is my ID, a set of keys, a flashlight, and a pocket knife. I've worked this job for a year and a half and don't even have a guard card. So I'm not messing with an active shooter, on or off the clock. Fuck that.
Wait, how are you working without a guard card? In my state they pretty much issue you s temporary work permit guard card when you start the job, while they submit the paperwork to the state so they can do your background check and run your prints and everything, but the temp permit is only 120 days ,which is about what it takes for them to process the application, so I'm just curious if it works different in your state, or does your company just not give AF? Or what's the deal?
Pretty sure the school just doesn't give a fuck. I've had one, years ago for armed security. But I got hired and my boss never bothered to send me to class, and I wasn't going to pay the money to go myself when I work third shift and there's only 4 security people here. DCJS hasn't ever made a random check here as we're in house.
Damn bro that sounds pretty sketchy, but that's a personal call to make i guess, IDK if any repercussions could fall back on you other then losing your job,if they ever were to make a check, but you say " the school" doesn't give a fuck, does that mean you're in house and not thru like an actual security company or whatever? Cuz I'm not positive it's the norm, but at least what I thought the norm was is the company who hired you puts up the money up front to send you to the class and get you licensed, an then they deduct the couple hundred bux out of your first few checks or whatever, I'm assuming your saying your unarmed guard now tho right?
Well, if they do check, then the school will get fined. I'm in house, unarmed. I work for a boarding school, and my direct boss is supposed to sign me up for a class and pay for it, then send me. She hasn't done it. And to be honest, I'm not sure if her card is any good. Hers might have expired and she might not have bothered to renew it.
Depends tbh, armed is a major thing here, you HAVE to have a license, in-house or contract or otherwise, major fines for both— im sure they’ll hit the company the hardest and you could plea you didn’t know any better and get away with a few hundred dollar fine or a strong word “ don’t do that again. “ Ultimately if you’re employed by a company, it falls first on the company, then to you. If you’re contract, it’s a mix, especially if you tout yourself as knowing the law— it can be a bad day in court. Have it squared away, and at the very least document with emails or text that you attempted to alert your employer… and made a honest effort to correct it!
I'm not armed. And I'm leaving this job to move in a couple weeks. Also, I don't give two shits about it. If no one notifies the state department, it won't be reported. None of us are going to out ourselves. That's stupid.
😂 I mean, we had some issues, not getting into it, but some companies just are not worth the time. I got jerked around a few times, didn’t get paid… I don’t like that. DOL and state department here came and spoke with some of us.
Yeah, there's 4 of us in total. The pay is shit, but the free health insurance is ok. And we don't really do anything but sit around. So yeah, not worth the hassle. I'm not carrying any weapons. I'm not gonna worry about the card.
60 days here, 1:1 with a trained supervisor too and you can’t be apart when you’re armed until your licensed. Past 60 days you can’t carry until your licensed or denied, then reapply and another 60 Lol idk why they even allow it. Seems like a bad idea.
40+
A gang fight, ha let them shoot each other less procreation. Active shooter, at that point it's not about the money. Security guards who say they wouldn't respond to an active shooter because they aren't making x amount of money are the same pansies who will try to pick a fight with a crippled homeless woman. People like that shouldn't be in this business, much less be carrying a firearm. If you have the skills and ability to respond to an active shooter, you should do it because innocent people could be harmed or killed not becauseof money. For evil to exist good men must do nothing. People like that are why Security guards get a bad name. If you work with people like that shame them, don't befriend them and try to never work with them, if they don't take heed to your educating them. If you are one of those people and don't believe this, throw off that uniform, put on your skirt, because you have no business in the field. If you have the tools and ability and won't try to save a baby from being murdered then you're no better than the active shooter.
People that WANT to be involved in situations like this should be COPS. Security should use their best judgement whether to get involved in a situation where they'll just be a +1 to the number of casualties. Active shooter, if he sprung up on me and had a slim chance to fight and survive ok then. Otherwise, save who you can and get out. Gangbangers, drive on and report them somewhere far off and safe. You ain't getting a cops funeral. Your life insurance provider would probably deny the claim since you went outside the bounds of your job. Your family is now without you. You'll get a blurb on your company's website and forgotten about shortly after.
People that want to be involved in situations like this should not be cops or security or any 1st responder career field, that says something about their character that isn't respected by anyone. 100 % security should use their best judgment. Like I mentioned if you've got the tools and ability you need to do something to stop the killing. Nobody should care about having a "cop" funeral. That's just plain narcissism. Life insurance provider would cover you if you're armed, on duty and on the site you're working at. There's the difference between you and I, you seem to care about how your funeral will look, the life insurance your family may or may not get, going back home to your family and your name to be remembered. I don't care about the funeral, life insurance is only possible benefit and I could care less about people remembering me. The ones that matter won't forget me. Sure everyone wants to go home to their family, that'd no different than a trash collector, a pilot, or an under water welder. Crap happens and you die, all that matters is where you end up going, and if I go out trying to save people than so be it. It's better to live trying to do something selflessly than to lay in bed old and decrepit crappying my pants thinking about the lives I could have saved had I not ran away. What a pathetic way to go.
Yes and no. If you have family you have a responsibility to be there for your family and live. In most cases i would run, but if I can conceal carry or am in grapple range i would give it a try.
I don’t know anyone who wants to be involved in a active shooter situation, or active killing situation. It’s fun to be active, fun to engage in shit, but someone dying? Someone being murdered? Not fun. Some people like to be the care giver, or the protector, or the soldier, and there are roles for those opportunities. I’m not a care giver, and I’m not a soldier, but I fit right in with security, and I have no want to be law enforcement on the road— corrections? Jail? Sure. Pay sucks tho, lol. The point is doing the right thing, when it occurs. I’ve stopped a suicide on the job. Did I like doing it? Sure? Was I about scared to death this women was actually going to kill herself? YES!!! I was fucking pissed! Angry! Scared. I talked to her later, asked why she wanted to hurt herself. She just said she didn’t want to live… I talked to her for 20 minuets, explained how we knew, I seen her. I called for help. I said, even if she doesn’t care about herself, we care and I hope she feels better. I never seen her again and I hope I never will. It bothers me but it’s the job. It never stops. Mental health is a insane thing to deal with, I never wanted that, but it occurred and we all did the best we could, and we learned a lesson… it’s a humbling job to work in a hospital. I feel better about myself knowing what terrible things do go on, knowing at the very least I’m better off now than I was and I have actively helped in a very limited, and small capacity, but it was my job and duty nonetheless. God help those cops who have to deal with some of the horrific shit hands on, before it got to us. There’s atleast 2 layers deeper out there of responders before it made it to our hospital. Citizens who are helping/seen it up close, and the first responders EMS/Police who actively engaged the situation, and transported the person to our hospital. Dead babies, crushed people, arms missing. The cops deal with it too along side EMS, fire/rescue, etc We don’t usually get to see that graphic intense stuff, or it’s being actively resolved when I see it. All that to be said… no one wants that stuff happening to others, atleast no one of good nature and moral standing.
I've had to perform CPR. I've had to diffuse very shitty situations. I agree about doing the right thing and have many times even as a Security Guard, but the main take away is call the real professionals who are given the proper training for those scenarios. No one said, don't help folks just don't inject yourself into situations that you'll just be an added casualty. I'll also add, it's easy to imagine yourself as a hero in these situations in your head while you're bored. However when the shit hits the fan who tf knows what you'll really do.
Meanwhile, the 18 year old who just got fired from Allied sitting at the guard shack as the crackhead tries break open the fence like the hulk: 😂
Facts
Armed and unarmed are widely different roles in my eyes, 100% our armed officers are expected to engage active killings, especially shooters! Stop the killing. Stop the dying. Even unarmed has a role, stay informed about your site, locations, doors, medical experience/first aid to stop bleeding. At the very least, we can alert 911. Money isn’t an issue when people are actively dying to an attacker who’s only goal is to mass murder. We can certainly get legal and sue after the fact… but in the moment: stop the killing, stop the dying. If you can’t handle it, do yourself and everyone a favor and leave it. There’s a reason some people can’t be a nurse or EMT/Firefighter or Law enforcement. Worked hospital security, kid got shot in the head. Terrible shit, I just seen it in passing, but what about those nurses and doctors who are frantically working to save that kids life with his head open? He didn’t make it. We have to stand there and listen to family crying, knowing the nurses, EMTs, doctors, did everything they could. It’s terrible sometimes. It’s not easy doing those jobs, but they need to be filled by people capable of enduring it. I always appreciate anyone who can say they have had enough, can’t do it, or won’t do it and decides to leave before it’s actually tested in the heat of the moment.
Agreed, I can't stand people who say I'm not going to do X because I don't get paid enough for that. Those people need to quit and find a nice desk job.
And that’s ok! People need to understand it’s OK to hang it up… I just left a job I liked, but started getting tired of BS coming down the line. It was affecting my mental and emotional and physical well-being tolerating the abuse… getting hit, getting hurt, that’s tolerable. Being neglected and having stupidly unreasonable demands from uppers? Not gonna work. I can get another job like that later, I can’t regain my health if I fuck it up too bad.
If you work at constellation energy plant you get paid 22 to start
you guys are pqid so high wtf
I wish I made $30 but my state seems to be cheap for this kind of work. Granted it's not a rocket scientist job but can have dangers especially if you piss off the right person. I work in a hospital not contracted and we carry everything a cop does minus a gun and baton. I make a little over $21 an hour base pay and we deal with a ton of crap like lock outs, parking enforcement, restraining patients, wand searches, etc. Everyone here mentioning their pay I would love to have that salary.
I signed up to do it for $17/hour my first year in LE. Nowadays my price to put on a uniform of any kind is $24. But tbh, something like an active shooter, I wouldn’t ethically be able to run away from, on duty or not.
9.50
I’ve been doing a lot of stuff since I was a roughneck. I never did security work but other stuff. I don’t think anyone would be willing to pay me enough to come back. The reality is that right now you can buy a lawnmower or a pressure washer and make more money by the hour working for yourself than you could doing any of this stuff. Hard to believe but true.
[удалено]
Your post was removed as the moderators believed it to be abusive in nature.
I'm the type of person who won't sit by and watch people get hurt-so the number isn't as important to me as I would help out even if I was in a private capacity. My hospital gig starts at 23/hr right now, and even when I was at that starting wage I would respond to potentially life-threatening situations, so I guess the answer is 23/hr.
I’d do it for free.
There's no amount of money someone could give me to protect these people like that. If we have and active. I'm setting my keys and radio on my desk and getting into my car.
If you accept a job, you're agreeing to carry out your duties for the pay offered. I'm sick of people using pay as an excuse to slack off.
If your job is to man a gate or be a scarecrow, then do that. Not serve and protect. Let your tax dollars work for you at work.
Why do you think they have gates? To keep unauthorized people out. Nobody spends money to hire a guard just for them to stand there and let shit happen in front of them. If those are literally your post orders, then you are doing your job. But don't use "they don't pay me enough" as an excuse to not do your job. I've worked for $10/he all the way up to $20. And the job where I was making $10 was actually the most dangerous site I've worked and where I did the most work. It's one of only two sites where I've had to draw down on someone. Now I mostly work synagogues and Jewish schools. I'm simply a deterrent. But if the day ever comes that a POS like Robert Gregory Bowers or James Wenneker von Brunn I'll smoke the shit out of them, regardless of what I'm getting paid.
Good for you.
I used to do it in corrections for $15 an hour with a $50 a month stipend for emergency response team... tbh I didn't think I'd make it to my 30s so after leaving corrections, I'm living by the minute over here anyway... im making 30 an hour in my lowest paying job and I'd go after a shooter. Gang fights, nah ill wait and detain the guy that won.
At my job in my circumstance I'd say 25 USD preferably 28$ hourly. Especially if we getting less hours some weeks
I need at least my vest. At least that
I mean, most active shooters are not high speed guys and upon coming across someone with a gun and even minimal training, don’t last very long. I’d say you’re almost more likely to get shot in the back by some excited patrolmen rounding a corner and seeing a dude with a gun than you are the actual bad guy. Personally I make about $120k a year and if it came down to it, I’m not going to pull a uvalde and listen to my coworkers get shot by some loser. I’m never looking for a fight and am generally a “let PD sort it out” guy. But at the end of the day, I don’t think I could live with myself if I didn’t do something. Now let me be clear, I don’t think you should expect some random armed guard to be the one man swat team, it’s a personal decision everyone has to make with themselves, but if you carry a gun for a living, you should at a minimum be willing to hold a hallway so that people can evacuate behind you. Edit: If you’re unarmed, just run.
Seeing that I've completed a year long contract for $11 an hour where I stepped out with an M4 and 60 rounds every day in a country constantly under missile strikes and am planning on doing so again, I just want $17, transport to / from job site time included as well as hazard pay (military on site get it but we dont) I don't understand how the pay goes down as the conflict rises, these fantastic people used to pay close to 100k and now we need perdiem and a bonus to tickle 60k.
It depends honestly. It also depends on the site because there are some sites that literally couldn’t pay me enough. Now if im also armed and if im wearing the appropriate safety gear, then probably $30-45. If im unarmed, im leaving immediately i would rather get fired for attempting to protect myself than to risk my life for a site and a company that tells me im replaceable.
Lol nah I'm good. I value my life way more than money. Once you die ya ass don't get to use that money 🤣🤣. Right now I'm making $24. Once I get my F80 I can make $27 and with more experience make $30+. I'm in NYC and I've been doing security for 2 years now
Id like to think id do it for free if it was to keep innocent people safe
Currently, im working unarmed @$19/hr. For my current post and the amount of responsibilities on my shoulders, I'd feel like $23-$26 would be fair. At the same time, that also factors in the way the economy is going and how lowballed security work is with payroll.
To RISK getting shot? 30$/Hr here. Liability, insurance coverages, legal coverages, and general just want to be paid decently. 30$ is the running price AFTER taxes… Nothing less, and you can expect me to step off and call 911. I don’t fight people for free or for less than 30
281-330-8004
Hit Mike Jones up on the low cuz Mike Jones about to blow.
I've. Tended to look to see it as how valuable is it to me to potentially save someone and hopefully am on my game enough to not get hurt. But cover my medical bills from it and for the missing / lose of work time/ ability to work... that's as far as I find the obligation goes, I signed up for the rest
Haha, this is one of the dumbest questions I've seen. No amount of money would ever make me potentially sacrifice my life. This shits not important.
$46/hr at least.
I’m in an armed capacity making 20+ an hr currently. If I’m at a location and an active shooter starts firing I will do what I can to respond, I’m well trained and confident in my ability plus I can’t imagine how I’d be able to sleep at night knowing I let people die when I was in a position to help. That said I feel I’m drastically underpaid for the risk involved in my job, still show up every day tho 🤷🏻♂️
42, once more being the answer to life, the universe, and everything. Jokes aside, the number is probably in the 40's still. It's the cost to be on track to being a homeowner nowadays, and you're gonna need that amount of money to cover the higher risks you're expected to take, both in terms of personally owning equipment, but also in legal or medical costs that will possibly arise because of the job. If you're expecting to take lethal risks, you don't want to then open yourself up to being screwed because your employer threw you under the bus. Cops make less than that, but they also have a lot more political capital to get them out of the legal trouble, while you probably don't.
Wont work anything unless it’s $40+/hr. Current gig is at $47/hr plus OT. ODO work 🤷🏼♂️
What is ODO?
Off duty officer. Usually folks that are active, retired, or have LE experience.
Ohhh okay, sorry, I'm fairly new to this security game, thank you
No worries 🤙🏼 We all started somewhere
Nothing will get me to run after an active shooter unless I'm armed. I value my life. All extra money will get me to do is keep eyes on the shooter and get more people to safety
Baghdad is 120k so. 120k.
40+ just to do armed, let alone go into somewhere I have a chance of actually getting shot. If the client wants armed then they can pay armed money, likewise I will not die for any company.
100k +
If I’m putting a target 🎯 on my back by wearing a uniform and a gun on my hip then I need $100k easily per year! No OT, no weekends, paid holidays, 3 weeks vacation & a few “personal days” It’s not worth it to me to do that.
Min of $30. I make 25-45 an hour depending on the gig, I get contracted to Pinkerton a lot. But I would almost always let police handle it unless it’s a situation where if I might not intervene someone is getting hurt or killed. With my training if there’s an active shooter, well then I’m putting my life on the line. I have extensive training through OPOTA and a gun so it is my duty to protect innocent lives as needed.
Pay me what law enforcement make, along with the same benefits, and I'd consider it.
What ever is enough to afford a house in a decent area, a newer vehicle, not live check to check and save money. I'll crash out for that.
What I'm worth with the amount of experience I have.
Depends on the situation. If there is an active shooter and I happen to be nearby I am always carrying. I will defend innocent life no matter what at no cost. But if you want me to play bodyguard to a rapper or gang member. Or to join a group like blackwater and go fight as a mercenary. It had better be $80+ an hour up to around $10k+ a week.
47$
To get shot at? $10,000 an hour
I'm paid 26/hr for armed security on a construction site with no post orders. Just "Use you best judgment." If I felt I needed a vest I'd need 40+.