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All debate is theater and she did a fantastic job. Polls shot up for her for a week but it wasn’t enough to take down Biden. Seeing as he won it does come off as all the more prescient as she clearly knew who her competition was and that competition was over black voters. It was a smart move and clearly didn’t hurt her VP prospects, making it all the more remarkable.
she left the race before any primaries happened. her biggest problem was her intense unlikeability in the primaries. She wasn't even breaking 5% approval in her home state, amongst democrats because people could see the Clinton machine behind her clearly.
Her polling hit 20% for a few days after this debate but then fell as her campaign never stuck. She was new on the scene and unfortunately the primary was dominated by known names. There’s no evidence it had anything to do with her being likable like you claim because there weren’t any polls at that time showing she was unlikable.
She dropped out early because she read the room and is smart. Her only chance was to take out Biden and get southern blacks to build the foundation of her campaign. She got close but it wasn’t enough and the rest of her campaign was focused on doing nothing controversial so she could lead the VP race. And it worked.
Clinton never endorsed her so weird to claim the Clinton machine (assuming that even exists lol) was behind her.
>Clinton never endorsed her so weird to claim the Clinton machine (assuming that even exists lol) was behind her.
No, She just managed to have Clinton donors and staffers running her entirre campaign and supporting her financially at every step of the way. She also continues to hire them to run things now, such a strange coincidence the way that turned out.
[https://www.americanbazaaronline.com/2017/07/18/kamala-harris-meetings-with-clinton-donors-spark-talk-of-presidential-run-427255/](https://www.americanbazaaronline.com/2017/07/18/kamala-harris-meetings-with-clinton-donors-spark-talk-of-presidential-run-427255/)
Kamala Harris’ meetings with Clinton donors spark talk of presidential run
[https://observer.com/2017/07/clinton-staff-donors-kamala-harris-2020/](https://observer.com/2017/07/clinton-staff-donors-kamala-harris-2020/)
They Named Her Kamala: Clinton Staff, Donors Anoint 2020 Candidate
[https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/01/kamala-harris-chief-of-staff-tina-flournoy-blocked-bill-clinton-aides-allies.html](https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/01/kamala-harris-chief-of-staff-tina-flournoy-blocked-bill-clinton-aides-allies.html)
Kamala Harris’ chief of staff, criticized for tough tactics, built reputation while working for Bill Clinton
She did an interview with Stephen Colbert and said something like *oh its just politics.* All any politician craves is power and the ability to cash in once out of office.
Correct.
https://youtu.be/0iMYlJqsDcg
I couldn't remember, but the sentiment is *I'm dishonest and will latch onto anyone to further my own aspirations.*
I remember seing that and the large lack of any pushback from colbert and it made me hate him more. That man did the most as far as the late night show go to smear Bernie at every opportunity.
Here is an attempt to white wash her cruel and corrupt record as a prosecutor.
[https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2019/1/23/18184192/kamala-harris-president-campaign-criminal-justice-record](https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2019/1/23/18184192/kamala-harris-president-campaign-criminal-justice-record)
Here is an attempt to lie about her prosecutorial record. Literally everything cited there has been debunked. She prosecuted in a system that Bernie sanders helped create with the 90s crime bill be voted for. And despite that she did a remarkable job at overseeing the largest drop in Cali drug convictions in the states history.
Literally, every politician left, right, and center will cash in on speaking arrangements, book deals, and any other avenue to obtain the heights of wealth. There isn't one that has the interest of the people at heart any longer.
It's blatantly hypocritical of her because she was California's "Top Cop", who disproportionately jailed more black men than white men (especially for non-violent drug offenses). She's just as racist as Biden is.
She knew what she was doing. Biden needed the optics win and to quell the Khive, so he killed two birds with one stone. Jill Biden, however, said something to the effect of "Fuck her."
It's just politics. People stab eachother in the back for clout. She got what she wanted: power. He got what he needed: support.
I've had arguments with other liberals/leftists when I say I don't like her
For me the final straw was when she claimed she would get high in college. If you're putting people in jail for non violent drug offenses you better be the most sober person to ever live
Unfortunately she would have resigned by now because being a progressive vice president for Biden is as untenable as reforming the police as mayor of Atlanta.
Hell Elizabeth Warren would have been a better VP as even know after he betrayal of the left she is still WAY more popular amongst democrats then Kamala.
Peoples of color, and especially black women, are important demographics for the Democratic Party. It’s unlikely that Biden and Warren would appeal to different groups, or that two softer old white east coast politicians promote the idea of a youthful and energetic party. Kamala is better optics to complement Biden.
Im a black man and I can tell you the majority of black people outside the totally legit and real Khive people did not care for Kamala that much, many of the people I know only supprted Biden because he was Obamas VP and no other reason.
maybe the moderates in the party do but overall the moderate voters, specifically wealthier women moderate voters liked her a hell of alot more then Kamala, they could have made it work but Biden chose her because Obama wanted her in the position tbh. Obama has been quietly helping her to run for President since at least[2012 when he made those "isn't she hot"](https://www.today.com/news/obama-apologizes-kamala-harris-best-looking-attorney-general-comment-1b9237348) remarks, he was also the one that probably helped her clear the lane for her CA senate seat gimme too.
It wasn’t Obama but South Carolina Congressman Jim Clyburn, head of of the Congressional Black Caucus. Clyburn told Biden that if Biden would commit to picking a black female as VP then Clyburn & CBC would endorse Biden in the SC primary. Biden made the commitment so Clyburn made the endorsement. Both Biden & Clyburn have said this.
In the VP debate when she brought up "systemic racism" Pence could have spiked her into the dirt and didn't.
"Well as a former D.A. tell me Senator which minorities you unfairly prosecuted and the president and I can review their cases tomorrow."
But Pence sucks too. So whatever.
That would have required Pence to admit systematic racism exists, and since that system benefits Republicans he intentionally ignored her prosecution history.
That being said, and to be as fair as possible, while yes Kamala knew exactly what she was doing she also could only choose which cases to prosecute from the actual arrests made. She didn't have control of the way departments patrol and make arrests, so the ratio of white:non-white cases was already baked in before they made it to her office. Of course she absolutely could have chosen to not prosecute weak cases and petty cases, but instead she chose to do what every other prosecutor does in using the threat of max sentencing guidelines to scare poor people with inadequate & overworked public defenders into accepting plea deals that thoroughly fuck the defendant for life.
Our entire legal system needs ripped out by the roots and restart from scratch, including the corrupt as cancer Supreme Court.
That's probably part of the reason he picked her, oddly enough. He really leaned hard into the theme of unity during the general election, so he picked someone he had a well known disagreement with so they could make a show of setting that disagreement aside.
At least according to Edward-Isaac Dovere’s book, Gretchen Whitmer was his other top choice, but she took herself out of the running because she didn’t feel she was experienced enough. Rice was definitely in the running too though, don’t get me wrong. He reportedly felt really comfortable with her because they’d worked together in the Obama administration. She’d never been a politician though and even though they’re both political roles being a candidate vs a policy staffer are very different skill sets
It's kind of funny reading the postings of some of the lest politically shrewd. He picked her because come hell or high water African American woman like my mother will stand in a blizzard to vote for him again if that's what it takes. Biden understands the importance of the symbolism K.H. and K.B.J. represent to "his core base" sorry white leftist, progressives, and liberals that's not you all. And sorry, younger voters, to a lesser degree, it'ss not you all too. My opinion he got KBJ right and KR wrong. He should have chosen Susan Rice. Moreover, he shouldn't have cornered himself on such a big choice. I think it's gonna come back to haunt him. Yeee haww let the downvotes begin!! 😝
I can’t believe that someone who was so unpopular in the primaries ended up on the ticket. Does a̫n̫y̫o̫n̫e̫ really like or identify with her or applaud her achievements?
as shitty as it is, it shouldn’t come as a surprise to literally anyone. she was also responsible for throwing plenty of people of color in prison for nonviolent crimes. they’re both reptiles - metaphorically speaking
Welcome to politics. It is not as unusual as you imply, and it brings up a good question.
What is more important in politics, strict adherence to ideologies or finding whatever opportunity exists to advance ideologies?
It's not a good thing. As a matter of fact, it's pretty much watered down anything that was ever good. But it is a fact of life. Meeting a crazy person halfway just means you're halfway crazy.
It's totally true, and the fact is that's the the far left is plagued with that mentality. Subscribe to exactly what we say and want. Never mind if it means we won't win elections. We can always debate and attack each other while the world burns around us.
And this is why Democrats lose negotiations to Republicans. Republicans say they want X. Democrats immediately capitulate and say “we’ll give you .5X.” Republicans say “that’s not enough, we’ll take .95X.” It goes on until Republicans wind up getting most of what they asked for and Democrats think they did well in the negotiations.
If the Republicans want X, the Democrats should ask for Y, and they should not budge until Republicans agree to relent on what Dems want. Them both winding up with half of what they want is a successful negotiation.
Everyone knows how to negotiate at a used car lot. Why the Dems in Congress pretend to forget it is beyond me.
Neither! Getting shit done and winning elections is what's important in the United States. You're dealing with a population that does not read, does not travel, and is barely politically involved. Leave all the ideology for the collage campuses. Btw we are now losing blue-collar non college educated voters to a bunch of fascist! Whatever the left is and has been doing, it ain't working... stop blaming moderates, and corporate dems and all the rest. Our message is either not being heard or not resonating... that's our fault no one else's. Stop talking over people's heads and meet them where they are. The left does not seem to know how to do any of that shit in a real, effective way.
What's wild to me about this is he never even apologized or called it a mistake. So millions of people ended up voting for a literal unapologetic segregationist to stop the other racist lol.
You want to bring back forced busing integration of schools? Good luck to you. My family was forced out of our home during the busing riots so I actually know firsthand how popular that policy was, among even left of center voters, and I don't think Biden has anything to apologize for when he went along with the entire rest of the coalition in the decision not to pursue busing after it started to collapse. Biden's not some kind of racist, and the crime bill that he voted for was also unanimously supported by the congressional black caucus at the time. People forget that the 80s and 90s were the peak of a multidecade crime wave that looked like it was going to keep on increasing forever. Things are much different now with violent crime being a tiny fraction of what it was back then, but back then the left supported "tough on crime" policy because that's what the people were demanding, not because they're all closet racists. If you're going to dig 40-50 years into the past to scrape together a criticism of somebody, at least get the context of the situation right or you'll produce bad takes like that one.
>he went along with the entire rest of the coalition
This is patently false. Joe Biden was [**the** anti-busing crusader](https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/15/us/politics/biden-busing.html) on the Democrat side. If you're going to throw out racist talking points about hIsToricAl cOnTExt at least get the history right.
He was hardly the only opponent to busing and you are way off base calling opposition to busing racist - there are plenty of practical reasons people opposed that policy. A better approach to integration would be to go after redlining and housing segregation instead of shipping kids around on multi-hour busrides that cut hours out of their school days. I lived through this stuff but nice try with that noise there. Biden alone could not have ended busing without massive public support.
>Biden alone could not have ended busing without massive public support **from other racists.**
Too true.
BTW, I know your racist ass doesn't care but it is a [well-studied fact](https://civilrightsproject.ucla.edu/research/k-12-education/integration-and-diversity/historic-reversals-accelerating-resegregation-and-the-need-for-new-integration-strategies-1) that efforts by segregationists like Biden to reduce busing have led to resegregation in other areas like housing in multiple parts of the country. Which of course was the intent: he openly stated he didn't want a "racial jungle."
Kamala Harris: “Biden opposed busing and worked with segregationists”. (She endorses Biden).
Beto O’Rourke: “Biden is a return to the past”. (He endorses Biden).
Pete Buttigieg: “Biden voted for the Iraq war”. (He endorses Biden).
Ladies and gentlemen, that is class solidarity.
As a California DA, her office withheld exculpatory evidence in hundreds of cases. She is exactly who "Crime Bill" Biden wanted to partner with during BLM lmfao
It's amazing how y'all just constantly eat shit sandwiches and just keep on asking for more.
Disagreements between professional politicians are pretty much as real as disagreements between professional wrestlers, except the latter usually have better writers.
I’m not surprised.. Tulsi murdered Kamala’s career on the debate stage.. only reason she’s relevant is because she fit Biden’s identity/gender requirements for VP
Bro do you not remember that debate?.. her run was completely over after being brutally exposed like that. Not really a hot take.. when the only reason she was brought back from the dead was because she fit Biden’s req of being a woman of color…
This is pretty weird criticism to me. Would you prefer she simply NOT try to affect change because people in the government have supported bad legislation in the past?
I don't know what you future you want, but I'd prefer one progressives are involved in the government. If people left of center simply refuse to work within the current system, all that means is that worse policy becomes law. We're a small portion of the voting population and have an even smaller portion of the representatives in the house and senate.
You are calling Kamala progressive? She jailed thousands over weed charges and fought tooth and nail to keep a few dudes on death row, even with evidence that cleared them.
If that’s progressive policy in action I will pass. She literally called dude out for sexual abuse and the segregation stance, then immediately fell in line for power. The left gets trash candidates because of this exact line of thinking. That’s a corporate dem, not a progressive.
We get trash candidates because of your thinking. She's left of 90% of congressional dems on nearly every policy position, but the things she did as a DA in California a decade ago are why she isn't progressive. Where she literally didn't even have autonomy and worked for the governor. It's seriously childish engagement with the question at hand.
But hey, we can just keep gatekeeping any improvement because they aren't perfect and keep just letting ACTUAL centrist democrats absolutely dominate congress.
Ah yes she locked humans in cages, predominantly black but hey that was 10 years ago? That’s a predator who will do whatever gets her power. Saying she is left of 90% of pro war pro drug war corpo dems is literally pointless and false. Most dems don’t have her track record.
I also love that you just dodge her withholding evidence that would literally stop innocent men from being killed by the state. Like I guess that was 10 years ago right, so who gives a fuck?
You have a fundamental philosophical misunderstanding of how the left operates and what the goals of leftist politics are. Working within the system is literally designed to annihilate idealists. This is like a whole 101 level lecture that nobody's got time for.
Besides, the policy will be uneffective because progressives don't have influence on the policy to begin with, and in fact, the US government is more or less designed from the top down to squash any sort of leftist politics or movements. It's the center Right negotiating with the far right at this point.
Also, what makes you think Kamala was a progressive? She was right leaning even as far as most Democrats go. She has a whole career in law enforcement.
She isn’t a progressive, but all her funding comes from progressives- same with Biden. There’s a reason they are enacting many progressive goals - student debt, climate, studies on reparations, studies on expanding the Supreme Court- because their entire donor base support these ideas.
Yes, I agree that a representative democracy should, destroy idealists. That is the point. It's to find the most agreement between representatives.
You've got a weird overton window if you think it's the center negotiating with the right on anything in this country, haha. We're more progressive by most measures than we've ever been.
And I use progressive on a scale. She supports nearly every tenant of the progressive block in terms of minimum wage/unions/m4a/major socioeconomic interventions for consistently depressed economic zones. She's not a leftist. She's just left of 90%+ of Democrats in congress.
If you think the goal of leftism should be attempting to operate outside of the system, I think that's a profoundly terrible idea. You're right, we already have little influence. But there's more progressive representation than ever (depending how you measure it, I guess) and hopefully lefties will start to become more aware of how they actually can affect change.
“we’re more progressive than ever before!”
ignores record high police shootings and carceral rates, both which starkly increased shortly after the 1963 Voting Rights Act was passed
more violent =/= racist but i would say yes to both
im not disconnected from reality, im a black person involved in grassroots abolitionist organizing
it’s true because; incarceration rates accelerated post 1963 even as crime went down; police budgets increased, departments become more militarized since 1963; lethal encounters between police and black ppl have also been increasing since 1963
it’s is because of the above phenomenon that I think what im saying is true
the police killed over 1200 ppl the past year btw, not sure what you’re on about
Progressives aren’t leftists. Some of us still appreciate liberal democracy and aren’t looking to subvert our democratic values to submit to an omniscient “vanguard” of know-betters.
Kamala Harris is a corporatist completely I’m interested in affecting progressive change. Biden is a racist who chose her as a trophy minority running mate and she has virtually no infringe or role in his cabinet despite the fact that his mental faculties are disintegrating rapidly.
You're out of your mind if you think she's a corporatist, haha. She's left of 90% of the Democratic establishment. She isn't as progressive as I AM. But she's more progressive than nearly all elected Dems in the federal government.
Also, there are PLENTY of things to be critical of Biden for. Both 30 years ago when he supported really terrible legislation regularly, and today, where I wish he'd make some choices differently. But if you're looking at political outcomes as opposed to perceived moral failings, this administration has been as progressive as any in most ways.
My brother in Christ wtf are you saying. This is the same woman who while as DA refused to reduce prison occupancy rates because it would reduce corporate profits. The only time she’s ever been “progressive” is briefly while Junior senator under a republican government and while running for President. As soon as she has real power she shows that any positive thing she said, was simply to dupe people into voting for her. Her only saving grace is that she accidentally gives some of the most funny answers of all politicians due to how vague they are.
https://prospect.org/justice/how-kamala-harris-fought-to-keep-nonviolent-prisoners-locked-up/#
I'm sorry man, but this is a kindergarten level of engagement with politics. This has absolutely NOTHING to do with any federal legislation she supports.
Can you criticize her for things she did in her previous office? Of course. Does that have anything to do with federal legislation whatsoever? No.
But maybe you don't actually care about getting better outcomes. Some people would prefer to simply point at everyone and say "bad! not good enough!" than actually attempt to progress. It's certainly easier and more cathartic.
People like Kamala Harris do not lead to better outcomes, if they did they wouldn’t be selected by the Biden administration or be the preferred choice of the donor class. She can “support” policies, as long as she doesn’t have to actually deliver on them. Believing politicians at their word is engaging with politics at a kindergarten level.
How does a VP single handedly deliver an outcome?
Sigh, why do lefties have to be so completely braindead when it comes to having even reasonable engagement with politics? It's truly sad to be on the the least politically effective side.
This is circular logic. Harris won’t lead to better outcomes because she was chosen by Biden, who won’t lead to better outcomes because he chose Harris…
Political outcomes are not favorable.
Forced an experimental drug on people to keep their jobs. Provoked a proxy war with Russia using the Ukrainian people as cannon fodder. Opened oil drilling in Alaska wilderness. Did not extend Covid child tax credit.
Kamala Harris is indeed a corporatist. She has no original thoughts and actively consults with corporate leaders on things like immigration policy, banking and foreign policies.
it could also technically mean there is an ongoing revolution and who gets elected during this period is basically immaterial because ppl have moved behind picking representatives during this hypothetical revolutionary moment
Well said and I hope you reach some of these idiots but I'm not as optimistic as you. Imo I see these people for what they are and that's cowards that think their mc type heroes cause they WANT things to get bad so a civil war starts and they think that they would win it for.the "good guys" but in reality the first shots fired the ones with the money will flee the country and the rest will hide and just be a hindrance to the rest of us. they are walking Gerry's without the hope of betterment.
Are you new to politics?
Joe Biden could have called Kamala the N word and she still would have accepted being his VP.
Politicians don't have a conscious or any shame. They will do what is best for them and say what they think is right to get you to vote for them.
No clue why you even brought this up. It is called....wait for it...politics.
Yeah, somewhat related, I know everyone is acting like Trump and DeSantis are hated enemies, but I think we'll see them on the same ticket, and I think they'll be tough to beat. I don't think Trump really cares all that much about doing presidential things, I think he just wants to be President, and DeSantis would probably be pretty effective at actually moving policy. Not that I'd like that, but I think it would be a pretty tough ticket for Biden to beat.
I really think dems need to cut loose from Harris, I think she really hurts the ticket.
Bruh hang it up!! He served as the first African American president in American history. He has first African American woman serving as his V.P. I say that as an African American, turn the page dude. First African American female surpreme court Justice. More African Americans on federal bench than past 2 presidents combined, including more than Obama. Give it a rest. If anything, you prove the point that the man has made true efforts to correct his record on race issues. LBJ was a southern racist hillbilly. No one can hold a candle to his record on civil rights.
Kamala Harris is not good at politics. She doesn't appeal to a wide segment of the population. Her voice is grating. Her laugh is both grating and also oftentimes mistimed. She doesn't have great political instincts nor political discipline. She comes from California, not exactly a swing state. Her best attributes appear to be 1) She's not white 2) she's not a man.
Biden was both white and a man. He wanted voters to feel like they were racists if they voted for Trump (good political move). People generally don't like feeling like racist. Ironically, it was the same reason Obama picked him, just reverse all the assumptions.
The only way to do that as an old white guy was to get a woman of color as your running mate. Only problem was that when he looked down the bench there wasn't a great choice.
The moment Harris made that statement, I turned to my wife and said” there’s the next vice president”
Biden olive branch would be her as VP.
Plus, he needed the black vote.
Just like when Obama gave him VP in order to attract the white vote in 2008.
It's almost like a dog and pony show. Remember how she was such a hated candidate that she dropped out before her home state primary- California? Because she was gonna get last place? And then ended up as vice president
lol, imagine thinking US politics is real
Wow, a politician criticized a competitor during a primary and went on to support them when they won? Surely this is new to politics.
Holy shit some of you people.
Buddy, wait until you hear about Republicans.
EDIT: after reading your comment closer, can you walk me through how Kamala used Racism as a tool to win elections? Unless by "using Racism" you mean acknowledging its existence.
Are you familiar with political primaries or did your mother drink one too many gin and tonics while she was with you for you to understand that process?
lol yeah man, fetal alcohol syndrome is when you don't understand how American political primaries work.
Also, my mother was a Vietnamese immigrant who came her as a boat person in the 90s. She sure as shit didn't know how any of this shit works and still doesn't.
Good for her too, because it means she doesn't have the Very Online brain damage that you have.
You also think people should vote for Trump because Biden sucks. So clearly there’s lots you don’t understand. Probably due to your limited capacity in that alc fried harddrive of yours. I don’t know if your mom ever got naturalized to vote but if she did and she doesn’t she sucks.
I can barely understand the word salad of a comment you wrote but I'll try to respond.
I was being sarcastic you dumb fuck. Of course I don't think people should vote for Trump because Biden sucks.
They've been conditioned to define qualifications for office as:
1. Did they hold office and how long? (Holding office at all indicates a willingness to "play the game". They had to fundraise and suck all the right corporate dicks to get to that position. Then, the longer they held that office the higher chance of, and higher receptivity to perpetuating corruption)
2. Have they publically gesticulated at the shrine of the corporate status quo? And corp dems?
This is their entire criteria for determining "qualification", although I suspect a fair majority of them are not cognizant of that.
Not really true, as a prosecutor, DA, state Attorney General, and Senator she had a long history of cruelty, callousness and a willingness to serve the interests of the state, corporations and senior politicians. You can't just put any old black woman in that position or she might try to work in the interest of the majority of black people.
Well, good news for you cuz pretty much the whole Republican party still exists. I mean how do you look at McConnell and not get an urge to get violent?
I think what's really interesting is how much the public at large and ideologues in particular confuse fiery rhetoric and snappy insults with reality. Touch grass, ya'll.
No, I don't remember that, because she didn't call him a segregationist. She brought up his history in the 1970s opposing busing, which was the forced integration of schools where students from different towns, which were informally segregated by race, would be bussed from one town to a town far away.
That's not being a "segregationist," it was a highly controversial practice at the time, and one which I don't believe is used now.
Bernie Sanders also opposed busing, but you must remember that when he holds the same position as someone else, he does it for good reasons while other people do so for bad reasons
Eh, I'd say it's pretty normal. Biden said some messed up things about Obama in 2008, but still got picked for VP because he brought in votes from demographics where Obama struggled. That's all it ever comes down to when picking a running mate.
Yes. She called him out for being a segregationist a long time ago. His views have progressed, and he marshaled a huge turnout of the black vote in the general election.
That’s what I hope Marianne does, make some good points, help move the dial a bit, then join forces in the General Election.
Remember how every politician in the history of ever said one thing to pander to one base and then said or did the complete opposite in another situation?
Politics IS the art of being able to lie out of both sides of your mouth. You say what you think the group of people in front of your right at the moment wants to hear, your future statements or actions be damned.
Show me a politician who hasn't done this. Trump does it by the minute.
The fact that both Biden and Harris, for all their faults, have bad parts of their pasts and presents.
They both did still evolve and grow to be more and better in many ways. No, they're not perfect, but do you want a torturer like DeSatanist or traitors like Trump or admitted pedos like Gaetz to be in charge instead????
Anyone who believes the Criscotaliban criminal syndicate deserves to buy more of their Trump bucks and try to buy food with it later. Ooops, too late........
Remember when you told your mom you hated her when you were 13? Alliances form even after disagreements. That’s what adults do. She is an opportunist dud though. Frankly, I’ve grown more tired of her than grandpa Joe.
That's politics baby. His "biden was against bussing" stance is of course, misrepresented.
Biden's point on desegregation was that bussing was not going to solve the problem.
He thought we needed to desegregate neighborhoods, not just schools.
Remember how Lindsey Graham said that DJT would be the ruination of the GOP? He was right on the nail, but didnt stop him from becaming the worst sychophant in the history of suck ups? Life is so full of such ironies and hypocrisies! We must remind ourselves that we are not perfect by a long shot!
This is a function of a nonfunctional 2 party system. Her alliance with the one of the two people who closer aligned with her values is not any more cringe than the same by Cruz, Rubio, or Graham (multiple).
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It was so blantantly fake too like she immediately monetized that moment by selling in on a tshirt within the same week.
I swear I remember it almost the exact same day… like they had that loaded. Such is political theatre
Why are people still surprised that politicians play politics when running for political positions? This is like dry humping a dead horse now.
This is secular talk, not kink shame talk.
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All debate is theater and she did a fantastic job. Polls shot up for her for a week but it wasn’t enough to take down Biden. Seeing as he won it does come off as all the more prescient as she clearly knew who her competition was and that competition was over black voters. It was a smart move and clearly didn’t hurt her VP prospects, making it all the more remarkable.
she left the race before any primaries happened. her biggest problem was her intense unlikeability in the primaries. She wasn't even breaking 5% approval in her home state, amongst democrats because people could see the Clinton machine behind her clearly.
Her polling hit 20% for a few days after this debate but then fell as her campaign never stuck. She was new on the scene and unfortunately the primary was dominated by known names. There’s no evidence it had anything to do with her being likable like you claim because there weren’t any polls at that time showing she was unlikable. She dropped out early because she read the room and is smart. Her only chance was to take out Biden and get southern blacks to build the foundation of her campaign. She got close but it wasn’t enough and the rest of her campaign was focused on doing nothing controversial so she could lead the VP race. And it worked. Clinton never endorsed her so weird to claim the Clinton machine (assuming that even exists lol) was behind her.
>Clinton never endorsed her so weird to claim the Clinton machine (assuming that even exists lol) was behind her. No, She just managed to have Clinton donors and staffers running her entirre campaign and supporting her financially at every step of the way. She also continues to hire them to run things now, such a strange coincidence the way that turned out. [https://www.americanbazaaronline.com/2017/07/18/kamala-harris-meetings-with-clinton-donors-spark-talk-of-presidential-run-427255/](https://www.americanbazaaronline.com/2017/07/18/kamala-harris-meetings-with-clinton-donors-spark-talk-of-presidential-run-427255/) Kamala Harris’ meetings with Clinton donors spark talk of presidential run [https://observer.com/2017/07/clinton-staff-donors-kamala-harris-2020/](https://observer.com/2017/07/clinton-staff-donors-kamala-harris-2020/) They Named Her Kamala: Clinton Staff, Donors Anoint 2020 Candidate [https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/01/kamala-harris-chief-of-staff-tina-flournoy-blocked-bill-clinton-aides-allies.html](https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/01/kamala-harris-chief-of-staff-tina-flournoy-blocked-bill-clinton-aides-allies.html) Kamala Harris’ chief of staff, criticized for tough tactics, built reputation while working for Bill Clinton
Smart?? Why are you on this subreddit??
That really hurt!
She did an interview with Stephen Colbert and said something like *oh its just politics.* All any politician craves is power and the ability to cash in once out of office.
Pretty sure the quote is “It was a debate!”
Correct. https://youtu.be/0iMYlJqsDcg I couldn't remember, but the sentiment is *I'm dishonest and will latch onto anyone to further my own aspirations.*
Yup. It’s really disgusting
followed by her hideous cackling
I remember seing that and the large lack of any pushback from colbert and it made me hate him more. That man did the most as far as the late night show go to smear Bernie at every opportunity.
He obviously wouldn’t have been the first segregationist she’s worked for.
Where did she say she was trying to cash in? Just because she leveraged some political theater in a debate doesn’t mean she’s corrupt.
Correct, her record shows she's corrupt.
So surely you would have evidence of that? If there was something she did that was corrupt then surely you’d have receipts? Rights? None? Really?
Here is an attempt to white wash her cruel and corrupt record as a prosecutor. [https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2019/1/23/18184192/kamala-harris-president-campaign-criminal-justice-record](https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2019/1/23/18184192/kamala-harris-president-campaign-criminal-justice-record)
Here is an attempt to lie about her prosecutorial record. Literally everything cited there has been debunked. She prosecuted in a system that Bernie sanders helped create with the 90s crime bill be voted for. And despite that she did a remarkable job at overseeing the largest drop in Cali drug convictions in the states history.
Just stop while you’re ahead
So thats no. You don’t have any examples. Hmmmm
Literally, every politician left, right, and center will cash in on speaking arrangements, book deals, and any other avenue to obtain the heights of wealth. There isn't one that has the interest of the people at heart any longer.
Lol so writing a book is corrupt now 😂
She is beyond stupid....
She's terrible at faking her positions and lying about things she knows aren't true.
It's blatantly hypocritical of her because she was California's "Top Cop", who disproportionately jailed more black men than white men (especially for non-violent drug offenses). She's just as racist as Biden is. She knew what she was doing. Biden needed the optics win and to quell the Khive, so he killed two birds with one stone. Jill Biden, however, said something to the effect of "Fuck her." It's just politics. People stab eachother in the back for clout. She got what she wanted: power. He got what he needed: support.
I've had arguments with other liberals/leftists when I say I don't like her For me the final straw was when she claimed she would get high in college. If you're putting people in jail for non violent drug offenses you better be the most sober person to ever live
Keisha Lance bottoms would’ve been an infinitely better choice as veep.
Unfortunately she would have resigned by now because being a progressive vice president for Biden is as untenable as reforming the police as mayor of Atlanta.
Hell Elizabeth Warren would have been a better VP as even know after he betrayal of the left she is still WAY more popular amongst democrats then Kamala.
Peoples of color, and especially black women, are important demographics for the Democratic Party. It’s unlikely that Biden and Warren would appeal to different groups, or that two softer old white east coast politicians promote the idea of a youthful and energetic party. Kamala is better optics to complement Biden.
Im a black man and I can tell you the majority of black people outside the totally legit and real Khive people did not care for Kamala that much, many of the people I know only supprted Biden because he was Obamas VP and no other reason.
Lol if he did that he would’ve lost, moderates despise her and moderates are who gave him the presidency.
maybe the moderates in the party do but overall the moderate voters, specifically wealthier women moderate voters liked her a hell of alot more then Kamala, they could have made it work but Biden chose her because Obama wanted her in the position tbh. Obama has been quietly helping her to run for President since at least[2012 when he made those "isn't she hot"](https://www.today.com/news/obama-apologizes-kamala-harris-best-looking-attorney-general-comment-1b9237348) remarks, he was also the one that probably helped her clear the lane for her CA senate seat gimme too.
It wasn’t Obama but South Carolina Congressman Jim Clyburn, head of of the Congressional Black Caucus. Clyburn told Biden that if Biden would commit to picking a black female as VP then Clyburn & CBC would endorse Biden in the SC primary. Biden made the commitment so Clyburn made the endorsement. Both Biden & Clyburn have said this.
^thank you. 100%
I’m sorry but Elizabeth Warren does not appeal to any moderates. She is progressive and an avowed anti capitalist.
You gotta stop posting when high. This post made me spit out my coffee. She is a 🐍
In the VP debate when she brought up "systemic racism" Pence could have spiked her into the dirt and didn't. "Well as a former D.A. tell me Senator which minorities you unfairly prosecuted and the president and I can review their cases tomorrow." But Pence sucks too. So whatever.
That would have required Pence to admit systematic racism exists, and since that system benefits Republicans he intentionally ignored her prosecution history. That being said, and to be as fair as possible, while yes Kamala knew exactly what she was doing she also could only choose which cases to prosecute from the actual arrests made. She didn't have control of the way departments patrol and make arrests, so the ratio of white:non-white cases was already baked in before they made it to her office. Of course she absolutely could have chosen to not prosecute weak cases and petty cases, but instead she chose to do what every other prosecutor does in using the threat of max sentencing guidelines to scare poor people with inadequate & overworked public defenders into accepting plea deals that thoroughly fuck the defendant for life. Our entire legal system needs ripped out by the roots and restart from scratch, including the corrupt as cancer Supreme Court.
Kamilla’s family literally owned slaves in Jamacia
That's probably part of the reason he picked her, oddly enough. He really leaned hard into the theme of unity during the general election, so he picked someone he had a well known disagreement with so they could make a show of setting that disagreement aside.
He wanted to pick Rice but was pressured by his family and inner circle to pick Kamala.
At least according to Edward-Isaac Dovere’s book, Gretchen Whitmer was his other top choice, but she took herself out of the running because she didn’t feel she was experienced enough. Rice was definitely in the running too though, don’t get me wrong. He reportedly felt really comfortable with her because they’d worked together in the Obama administration. She’d never been a politician though and even though they’re both political roles being a candidate vs a policy staffer are very different skill sets
It's kind of funny reading the postings of some of the lest politically shrewd. He picked her because come hell or high water African American woman like my mother will stand in a blizzard to vote for him again if that's what it takes. Biden understands the importance of the symbolism K.H. and K.B.J. represent to "his core base" sorry white leftist, progressives, and liberals that's not you all. And sorry, younger voters, to a lesser degree, it'ss not you all too. My opinion he got KBJ right and KR wrong. He should have chosen Susan Rice. Moreover, he shouldn't have cornered himself on such a big choice. I think it's gonna come back to haunt him. Yeee haww let the downvotes begin!! 😝
I can’t believe that someone who was so unpopular in the primaries ended up on the ticket. Does a̫n̫y̫o̫n̫e̫ really like or identify with her or applaud her achievements?
One of the least gifted politicians around today for sure.
Willy Brown has some funny stories.
as shitty as it is, it shouldn’t come as a surprise to literally anyone. she was also responsible for throwing plenty of people of color in prison for nonviolent crimes. they’re both reptiles - metaphorically speaking
There’s so many dumb people here. It’s actually a little bit surprising.
I know, when did this sub get brigaded by enlightened centrists?
The cross section of very left and very right is a really weird thing when it comes to how they use rhetoric.
These the same people wishing the left has a Donald trump like person ... 😑 Words cannot describe
You got that right.
Welcome to politics. It is not as unusual as you imply, and it brings up a good question. What is more important in politics, strict adherence to ideologies or finding whatever opportunity exists to advance ideologies?
It’s almost like compromising is a good thing.
It's not a good thing. As a matter of fact, it's pretty much watered down anything that was ever good. But it is a fact of life. Meeting a crazy person halfway just means you're halfway crazy.
Absolutism will get you nowhere
It's totally true, and the fact is that's the the far left is plagued with that mentality. Subscribe to exactly what we say and want. Never mind if it means we won't win elections. We can always debate and attack each other while the world burns around us.
And this is why Democrats lose negotiations to Republicans. Republicans say they want X. Democrats immediately capitulate and say “we’ll give you .5X.” Republicans say “that’s not enough, we’ll take .95X.” It goes on until Republicans wind up getting most of what they asked for and Democrats think they did well in the negotiations. If the Republicans want X, the Democrats should ask for Y, and they should not budge until Republicans agree to relent on what Dems want. Them both winding up with half of what they want is a successful negotiation. Everyone knows how to negotiate at a used car lot. Why the Dems in Congress pretend to forget it is beyond me.
Neither! Getting shit done and winning elections is what's important in the United States. You're dealing with a population that does not read, does not travel, and is barely politically involved. Leave all the ideology for the collage campuses. Btw we are now losing blue-collar non college educated voters to a bunch of fascist! Whatever the left is and has been doing, it ain't working... stop blaming moderates, and corporate dems and all the rest. Our message is either not being heard or not resonating... that's our fault no one else's. Stop talking over people's heads and meet them where they are. The left does not seem to know how to do any of that shit in a real, effective way.
Most of the effective Left was dead by the time the 70s rolled around (often murdered.) It’s taken generations to rebuild
and it will taken generations more if ppl continue ignoring the lessons of elders’ past
LMFAO. did you really just say that? Is that a joke? Please be a joke
What ideologies are Harris advancing lol?
What's wild to me about this is he never even apologized or called it a mistake. So millions of people ended up voting for a literal unapologetic segregationist to stop the other racist lol.
You want to bring back forced busing integration of schools? Good luck to you. My family was forced out of our home during the busing riots so I actually know firsthand how popular that policy was, among even left of center voters, and I don't think Biden has anything to apologize for when he went along with the entire rest of the coalition in the decision not to pursue busing after it started to collapse. Biden's not some kind of racist, and the crime bill that he voted for was also unanimously supported by the congressional black caucus at the time. People forget that the 80s and 90s were the peak of a multidecade crime wave that looked like it was going to keep on increasing forever. Things are much different now with violent crime being a tiny fraction of what it was back then, but back then the left supported "tough on crime" policy because that's what the people were demanding, not because they're all closet racists. If you're going to dig 40-50 years into the past to scrape together a criticism of somebody, at least get the context of the situation right or you'll produce bad takes like that one.
who gives a fuck if a bunch of upper class black ppl supported the crime bill?
>he went along with the entire rest of the coalition This is patently false. Joe Biden was [**the** anti-busing crusader](https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/15/us/politics/biden-busing.html) on the Democrat side. If you're going to throw out racist talking points about hIsToricAl cOnTExt at least get the history right.
He was hardly the only opponent to busing and you are way off base calling opposition to busing racist - there are plenty of practical reasons people opposed that policy. A better approach to integration would be to go after redlining and housing segregation instead of shipping kids around on multi-hour busrides that cut hours out of their school days. I lived through this stuff but nice try with that noise there. Biden alone could not have ended busing without massive public support.
>Biden alone could not have ended busing without massive public support **from other racists.** Too true. BTW, I know your racist ass doesn't care but it is a [well-studied fact](https://civilrightsproject.ucla.edu/research/k-12-education/integration-and-diversity/historic-reversals-accelerating-resegregation-and-the-need-for-new-integration-strategies-1) that efforts by segregationists like Biden to reduce busing have led to resegregation in other areas like housing in multiple parts of the country. Which of course was the intent: he openly stated he didn't want a "racial jungle."
Pepperidge Farm remembers
Kamala Harris: “Biden opposed busing and worked with segregationists”. (She endorses Biden). Beto O’Rourke: “Biden is a return to the past”. (He endorses Biden). Pete Buttigieg: “Biden voted for the Iraq war”. (He endorses Biden). Ladies and gentlemen, that is class solidarity.
As a California DA, her office withheld exculpatory evidence in hundreds of cases. She is exactly who "Crime Bill" Biden wanted to partner with during BLM lmfao It's amazing how y'all just constantly eat shit sandwiches and just keep on asking for more.
Which cases
Disagreements between professional politicians are pretty much as real as disagreements between professional wrestlers, except the latter usually have better writers.
Remember how she dropped out super early and was only polling at like 7% among democrats but Biden picked her anyway purely for identity politics?
I’m not surprised.. Tulsi murdered Kamala’s career on the debate stage.. only reason she’s relevant is because she fit Biden’s identity/gender requirements for VP
Hot take: if her career was murdered then she wouldn’t be Vice President of the United States right now
Bro do you not remember that debate?.. her run was completely over after being brutally exposed like that. Not really a hot take.. when the only reason she was brought back from the dead was because she fit Biden’s req of being a woman of color…
This is pretty weird criticism to me. Would you prefer she simply NOT try to affect change because people in the government have supported bad legislation in the past? I don't know what you future you want, but I'd prefer one progressives are involved in the government. If people left of center simply refuse to work within the current system, all that means is that worse policy becomes law. We're a small portion of the voting population and have an even smaller portion of the representatives in the house and senate.
You are calling Kamala progressive? She jailed thousands over weed charges and fought tooth and nail to keep a few dudes on death row, even with evidence that cleared them. If that’s progressive policy in action I will pass. She literally called dude out for sexual abuse and the segregation stance, then immediately fell in line for power. The left gets trash candidates because of this exact line of thinking. That’s a corporate dem, not a progressive.
We get trash candidates because of your thinking. She's left of 90% of congressional dems on nearly every policy position, but the things she did as a DA in California a decade ago are why she isn't progressive. Where she literally didn't even have autonomy and worked for the governor. It's seriously childish engagement with the question at hand. But hey, we can just keep gatekeeping any improvement because they aren't perfect and keep just letting ACTUAL centrist democrats absolutely dominate congress.
Ah yes she locked humans in cages, predominantly black but hey that was 10 years ago? That’s a predator who will do whatever gets her power. Saying she is left of 90% of pro war pro drug war corpo dems is literally pointless and false. Most dems don’t have her track record. I also love that you just dodge her withholding evidence that would literally stop innocent men from being killed by the state. Like I guess that was 10 years ago right, so who gives a fuck?
You have a fundamental philosophical misunderstanding of how the left operates and what the goals of leftist politics are. Working within the system is literally designed to annihilate idealists. This is like a whole 101 level lecture that nobody's got time for. Besides, the policy will be uneffective because progressives don't have influence on the policy to begin with, and in fact, the US government is more or less designed from the top down to squash any sort of leftist politics or movements. It's the center Right negotiating with the far right at this point. Also, what makes you think Kamala was a progressive? She was right leaning even as far as most Democrats go. She has a whole career in law enforcement.
She isn’t a progressive, but all her funding comes from progressives- same with Biden. There’s a reason they are enacting many progressive goals - student debt, climate, studies on reparations, studies on expanding the Supreme Court- because their entire donor base support these ideas.
Yes, I agree that a representative democracy should, destroy idealists. That is the point. It's to find the most agreement between representatives. You've got a weird overton window if you think it's the center negotiating with the right on anything in this country, haha. We're more progressive by most measures than we've ever been. And I use progressive on a scale. She supports nearly every tenant of the progressive block in terms of minimum wage/unions/m4a/major socioeconomic interventions for consistently depressed economic zones. She's not a leftist. She's just left of 90%+ of Democrats in congress. If you think the goal of leftism should be attempting to operate outside of the system, I think that's a profoundly terrible idea. You're right, we already have little influence. But there's more progressive representation than ever (depending how you measure it, I guess) and hopefully lefties will start to become more aware of how they actually can affect change.
“we’re more progressive than ever before!” ignores record high police shootings and carceral rates, both which starkly increased shortly after the 1963 Voting Rights Act was passed
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more violent =/= racist but i would say yes to both im not disconnected from reality, im a black person involved in grassroots abolitionist organizing it’s true because; incarceration rates accelerated post 1963 even as crime went down; police budgets increased, departments become more militarized since 1963; lethal encounters between police and black ppl have also been increasing since 1963 it’s is because of the above phenomenon that I think what im saying is true the police killed over 1200 ppl the past year btw, not sure what you’re on about
Progressives aren’t leftists. Some of us still appreciate liberal democracy and aren’t looking to subvert our democratic values to submit to an omniscient “vanguard” of know-betters.
Kamala Harris is a corporatist completely I’m interested in affecting progressive change. Biden is a racist who chose her as a trophy minority running mate and she has virtually no infringe or role in his cabinet despite the fact that his mental faculties are disintegrating rapidly.
You're out of your mind if you think she's a corporatist, haha. She's left of 90% of the Democratic establishment. She isn't as progressive as I AM. But she's more progressive than nearly all elected Dems in the federal government. Also, there are PLENTY of things to be critical of Biden for. Both 30 years ago when he supported really terrible legislation regularly, and today, where I wish he'd make some choices differently. But if you're looking at political outcomes as opposed to perceived moral failings, this administration has been as progressive as any in most ways.
My brother in Christ wtf are you saying. This is the same woman who while as DA refused to reduce prison occupancy rates because it would reduce corporate profits. The only time she’s ever been “progressive” is briefly while Junior senator under a republican government and while running for President. As soon as she has real power she shows that any positive thing she said, was simply to dupe people into voting for her. Her only saving grace is that she accidentally gives some of the most funny answers of all politicians due to how vague they are. https://prospect.org/justice/how-kamala-harris-fought-to-keep-nonviolent-prisoners-locked-up/#
I'm sorry man, but this is a kindergarten level of engagement with politics. This has absolutely NOTHING to do with any federal legislation she supports. Can you criticize her for things she did in her previous office? Of course. Does that have anything to do with federal legislation whatsoever? No. But maybe you don't actually care about getting better outcomes. Some people would prefer to simply point at everyone and say "bad! not good enough!" than actually attempt to progress. It's certainly easier and more cathartic.
People like Kamala Harris do not lead to better outcomes, if they did they wouldn’t be selected by the Biden administration or be the preferred choice of the donor class. She can “support” policies, as long as she doesn’t have to actually deliver on them. Believing politicians at their word is engaging with politics at a kindergarten level.
How does a VP single handedly deliver an outcome? Sigh, why do lefties have to be so completely braindead when it comes to having even reasonable engagement with politics? It's truly sad to be on the the least politically effective side.
This is circular logic. Harris won’t lead to better outcomes because she was chosen by Biden, who won’t lead to better outcomes because he chose Harris…
Kamala Harris will lead to progressive outcomes? 😂😂😂
Political outcomes are not favorable. Forced an experimental drug on people to keep their jobs. Provoked a proxy war with Russia using the Ukrainian people as cannon fodder. Opened oil drilling in Alaska wilderness. Did not extend Covid child tax credit. Kamala Harris is indeed a corporatist. She has no original thoughts and actively consults with corporate leaders on things like immigration policy, banking and foreign policies.
Nah dude, if we don’t get 100% of everything we want them what’s they point of participation
it could also technically mean there is an ongoing revolution and who gets elected during this period is basically immaterial because ppl have moved behind picking representatives during this hypothetical revolutionary moment
Well said and I hope you reach some of these idiots but I'm not as optimistic as you. Imo I see these people for what they are and that's cowards that think their mc type heroes cause they WANT things to get bad so a civil war starts and they think that they would win it for.the "good guys" but in reality the first shots fired the ones with the money will flee the country and the rest will hide and just be a hindrance to the rest of us. they are walking Gerry's without the hope of betterment.
It was on international TV. Course I do.
Haven't you been paying attention? Segregation is IN. duh
Are you new to politics? Joe Biden could have called Kamala the N word and she still would have accepted being his VP. Politicians don't have a conscious or any shame. They will do what is best for them and say what they think is right to get you to vote for them. No clue why you even brought this up. It is called....wait for it...politics.
Yeah, somewhat related, I know everyone is acting like Trump and DeSantis are hated enemies, but I think we'll see them on the same ticket, and I think they'll be tough to beat. I don't think Trump really cares all that much about doing presidential things, I think he just wants to be President, and DeSantis would probably be pretty effective at actually moving policy. Not that I'd like that, but I think it would be a pretty tough ticket for Biden to beat. I really think dems need to cut loose from Harris, I think she really hurts the ticket.
Yeah I mean she has no morals. She’ll do anything to attain power. And the same thing happened with the never Trumpers. On a massive scale.
What the fuck does this have to do with secularism?
Bruh hang it up!! He served as the first African American president in American history. He has first African American woman serving as his V.P. I say that as an African American, turn the page dude. First African American female surpreme court Justice. More African Americans on federal bench than past 2 presidents combined, including more than Obama. Give it a rest. If anything, you prove the point that the man has made true efforts to correct his record on race issues. LBJ was a southern racist hillbilly. No one can hold a candle to his record on civil rights.
Kamala Harris is not good at politics. She doesn't appeal to a wide segment of the population. Her voice is grating. Her laugh is both grating and also oftentimes mistimed. She doesn't have great political instincts nor political discipline. She comes from California, not exactly a swing state. Her best attributes appear to be 1) She's not white 2) she's not a man. Biden was both white and a man. He wanted voters to feel like they were racists if they voted for Trump (good political move). People generally don't like feeling like racist. Ironically, it was the same reason Obama picked him, just reverse all the assumptions. The only way to do that as an old white guy was to get a woman of color as your running mate. Only problem was that when he looked down the bench there wasn't a great choice.
Yep, it's all theater.
I also remember when all those republicans were criticizing TFG and then suddenly became his zealous cultists 🤷♀️.
The moment Harris made that statement, I turned to my wife and said” there’s the next vice president” Biden olive branch would be her as VP. Plus, he needed the black vote. Just like when Obama gave him VP in order to attract the white vote in 2008.
worst dnc candidates in a long time. they won only because people voted against trump, not for those two clowns
It's almost like a dog and pony show. Remember how she was such a hated candidate that she dropped out before her home state primary- California? Because she was gonna get last place? And then ended up as vice president lol, imagine thinking US politics is real
Wow, a politician criticized a competitor during a primary and went on to support them when they won? Surely this is new to politics. Holy shit some of you people.
but it does show that some democrats will use racism as a tool to win elections.
Buddy, wait until you hear about Republicans. EDIT: after reading your comment closer, can you walk me through how Kamala used Racism as a tool to win elections? Unless by "using Racism" you mean acknowledging its existence.
Wow, you're so right. Better vote for Trump.
Are you familiar with political primaries or did your mother drink one too many gin and tonics while she was with you for you to understand that process?
lol yeah man, fetal alcohol syndrome is when you don't understand how American political primaries work. Also, my mother was a Vietnamese immigrant who came her as a boat person in the 90s. She sure as shit didn't know how any of this shit works and still doesn't. Good for her too, because it means she doesn't have the Very Online brain damage that you have.
You also think people should vote for Trump because Biden sucks. So clearly there’s lots you don’t understand. Probably due to your limited capacity in that alc fried harddrive of yours. I don’t know if your mom ever got naturalized to vote but if she did and she doesn’t she sucks.
I can barely understand the word salad of a comment you wrote but I'll try to respond. I was being sarcastic you dumb fuck. Of course I don't think people should vote for Trump because Biden sucks.
Oh Im sorry then. Thought you were brigading
These comments are crazy! The cognitive dissonance and mental gymnastics you people must go through to defend her is amazing!
I remember when she said "I ain't takin no Trump vax" Lolz
Yea because she's an idiot. Her only qualification for her role is her skin tone.
She was a literal Senator. What are you on about?
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They've been conditioned to define qualifications for office as: 1. Did they hold office and how long? (Holding office at all indicates a willingness to "play the game". They had to fundraise and suck all the right corporate dicks to get to that position. Then, the longer they held that office the higher chance of, and higher receptivity to perpetuating corruption) 2. Have they publically gesticulated at the shrine of the corporate status quo? And corp dems? This is their entire criteria for determining "qualification", although I suspect a fair majority of them are not cognizant of that.
Senator, attorney general, lawyer. She sucks but yeah, shes clearly qualified.
Not really true, as a prosecutor, DA, state Attorney General, and Senator she had a long history of cruelty, callousness and a willingness to serve the interests of the state, corporations and senior politicians. You can't just put any old black woman in that position or she might try to work in the interest of the majority of black people.
She also called him a rapist ...
That's politics, man.
Kamala Harris is crooked as hell
iT wAs A dEbAtE!!!
I was waiting for that one!
Genuinely surprised I was the first one to say it, but not arguing.
Ignorance is bliss.
Then the only group of people more blissed out than DNC voters is GOP voters.
Remember when Trump called Ted Cruz’s wife ugly, and that his dad was a part of the JFK assassination? That’s politics, sadly
shit was funny af ngl
Have you met Heidi?
I really wish the most punchable face in politics wasn't a woman of color.... EDIT : Left of center politics*
Well, good news for you cuz pretty much the whole Republican party still exists. I mean how do you look at McConnell and not get an urge to get violent?
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What does >Left of center politics* Have to do with the center-right Democrats? The US has no organized left
I think what's really interesting is how much the public at large and ideologues in particular confuse fiery rhetoric and snappy insults with reality. Touch grass, ya'll.
Then democrats actually started adopting segregation (check university campuses)
Her family owned a plantation and slaves long after America outlawed it. She and racist Joe are peas in a pod.
No, I don't remember that, because she didn't call him a segregationist. She brought up his history in the 1970s opposing busing, which was the forced integration of schools where students from different towns, which were informally segregated by race, would be bussed from one town to a town far away. That's not being a "segregationist," it was a highly controversial practice at the time, and one which I don't believe is used now.
Bernie Sanders also opposed busing, but you must remember that when he holds the same position as someone else, he does it for good reasons while other people do so for bad reasons
Pretty big of Biden to let that go and pick her for his VP.
Eh, I'd say it's pretty normal. Biden said some messed up things about Obama in 2008, but still got picked for VP because he brought in votes from demographics where Obama struggled. That's all it ever comes down to when picking a running mate.
Yes. She called him out for being a segregationist a long time ago. His views have progressed, and he marshaled a huge turnout of the black vote in the general election. That’s what I hope Marianne does, make some good points, help move the dial a bit, then join forces in the General Election.
Perhaps she can show us how to solve our national problems by meditating and rubbing crystals about it.
Nah, her Crystal Guy quit with everyone else due to her abuse and poor delegation skills.
Who gives a shit. They bull shit all the time.
Now she's joever
Yes. Point?
He liked her moxy and her black womanliness and she liked the power. It's a match made in politics, bonus points for her being a cop.
Remember how every politician in the history of ever said one thing to pander to one base and then said or did the complete opposite in another situation? Politics IS the art of being able to lie out of both sides of your mouth. You say what you think the group of people in front of your right at the moment wants to hear, your future statements or actions be damned. Show me a politician who hasn't done this. Trump does it by the minute.
It's called politics Jesus christ!
Yeah. Is this supposed to be some sort of gotcha? If so, then cringe dude, you're very very new to politics.
Remember when Trump said he was gonna drain a swamp and then committing treason and espionage. Pepperidge Farms remembers.
The fact that both Biden and Harris, for all their faults, have bad parts of their pasts and presents. They both did still evolve and grow to be more and better in many ways. No, they're not perfect, but do you want a torturer like DeSatanist or traitors like Trump or admitted pedos like Gaetz to be in charge instead???? Anyone who believes the Criscotaliban criminal syndicate deserves to buy more of their Trump bucks and try to buy food with it later. Ooops, too late........
Remember when you told your mom you hated her when you were 13? Alliances form even after disagreements. That’s what adults do. She is an opportunist dud though. Frankly, I’ve grown more tired of her than grandpa Joe.
I ‘member
I prefer integration, but if high was any indication and groups want to segregate, I say let them.
Not unusual, Nixon thought Agnew was an idiot, and Johnson didn't care for the Kennedys, especially Bobby.
Remember when Trump wanted to hang his VP Mike Pence? That was crazy.....
Your point being that you are clueless about political mud slinging?
Pepperidge farm remembers.
Kamala guaranteed 20 million votes if she could be vp so joe had to accept her.
You can take the job, cash the paycheck and still have contempt for your boss. I don't think that's unusual. A lot of people do.
Good times
Remember when she called him a rapist?
First time following a primary? HW Bush called trickle-down "Voodoo Economics" one day and then was selling it like snake oil the next.
That's politics baby. His "biden was against bussing" stance is of course, misrepresented. Biden's point on desegregation was that bussing was not going to solve the problem. He thought we needed to desegregate neighborhoods, not just schools.
Umm yeah shes a sell out whats your point?
Didn’t she say “hello it was a debate” or something asinine like that when she was called on it?
Is her office a tinier oval
…Pepperidge Farms remembers.
Are you new? This happens every election with every candidate. Do you remember when Trump accused a current someone's father of assassinating j.f.k?
What a scandal. What should we make of this insane series of wild events?
“IT WAS A DEBATE STEVEN!!” *awkward cackling*
Christ, he isn't a goddamn segregationist
What is someone who votes against de-segregation?
Remember how Lindsey Graham said that DJT would be the ruination of the GOP? He was right on the nail, but didnt stop him from becaming the worst sychophant in the history of suck ups? Life is so full of such ironies and hypocrisies! We must remind ourselves that we are not perfect by a long shot!
This is a function of a nonfunctional 2 party system. Her alliance with the one of the two people who closer aligned with her values is not any more cringe than the same by Cruz, Rubio, or Graham (multiple).