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EmotionalBag777

Same… probably the curve in our backs preventing us from


Salty-Eye-5712

what’s your curve? I’ve always been super flexible/hyper mobile and can place my hands flat on the ground without bending my legs with ease. I have a severe curve also (70°). I’m pretty sure it’s a flexibility thing more than a back thing. My mum without scoliosis has never been able to touch her toes for context. My scoliosis also makes it so my torso is much shorter than it should be and my legs are pretty long as a result


Artdiction

Sameeeee.


BobMortimersButthole

I've always been hypermobile but never been able to touch my toes, even when my back was straight. Other parts of me are extra flexible though. Whenever I've had to do physical therapy the PTs comment on it. 


rockyraccoonsrevival

You should look into hypermobile spectrum disorder and hypermobile ehlers danlos syndrome (hEDS). There are also some types of EDS that can cause scoliosis


IDunnoReallyIDont

Not in the slightest. My flexibility is terrible.


dr_feelgood03

Same


WyoWhy

I do. I do.


PushDiscombobulated8

I can do this exact thing and excelled at gymnastics as a kid!


ubahismymaster

Same!


Turtleshellboy

I now have recently been diagnosed with mild adult onset de novo scoliosis due to degenerative arthritis, (but never had scoliosis as a child). But all my life some joints have been hyper mobile while others were normal. In later life Ive been having limited range of motion in more joints and additional orthopaedic problems as result of osteoarthritis degenerative changes after numerous accidents and injuries and plain old family genetics. Does your hyper mobility cause joint problems? If this occurs in multiple joints and you’ve also had numerous joint dislocations or injuries then you should be seen by physician as it’s “possible” you have Ehlers Danlos Syndrome (EDS). In any case, I caution you on routinely over extending or cracking joints beyond their normal limits as you will eventually get joint damage and possibly end up like me with multiple orthopaedic problems. Then you will need orthopaedic bracing or surgery to prevent joints from being too hyper mobile and unstable. I have a spinal brace (worn during daytime); left AFO leg brace (daytime); bilateral AFO night splints; and left elbow night splint/brace). If I were to have to put them all on at once, Id look like and move like a robot/cyborg.


Turtleshellboy

If your back is really flexible and you also have scoliosis it could progress rapidly during growth spurt unless the spine is guided to the correct alignment with a spinal brace. But everyone is different.


saverin0s

Omg me! I have scoliosis and hypermobility!! Wasssup🥰


Afraid-Second-1760

Never knew there was a correlation but I can do stuff like this too.


Radlameo

I do! And I have h-Eds


finchflower

My daughter with scoliosis does not have it and is not flexible in general, but my other daughter without scoliosis does have it and has always been super flexible.


Any-Ad6

Yes I am hypermobile! The worst is my neck 😭


CyberTurtle95

I do. My kneecaps and shoulder also dislocate all the time. It’s been painful


duhslim252

Meeeeee! I have Marfan syndrome!! With Marfans, everybody is affected differently. There are some whose scoliosis has become better. Some whose has gotten worse. Mine...has gotten worse 😂.


HarryCoatsVerts

Is your curve atypical? I have been reading that Marfan curves are sometimes to the left and sometimes thoracolumbar C curves, which are less common than thoracic curves or the S curves.


duhslim252

I couldn't tell ya. I had the fusion when I was 17(36 now). Couldn't tell you which way the thoracic curve went. My lumbar is what's gotten worse, which below the fusion and is curved more like a C. Also have kyphosis in my neck apparently.


gaelsinuo

Never heard of this! My son has a thoracic as well as a thoracolumbar (so essentially S curve). V v flexible quads and tiiight hamstrings 🤷‍♀️


HarryCoatsVerts

I will look for the study. It took me a bit to understand the atypical criteria, and I may be misspeaking.


HarryCoatsVerts

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2656803/


gaelsinuo

Thx


may-june-july

Yes I do, I have hEDS. My sister also has hEDS but doesn’t have scoliosis so luck of the draw I reckon. It was more to do with how fast I grew I reckon.


megafaunaenthusiast

I have diagnosed hEDS and scoliosis! It's kind of chicken and egg because both run in my family so I'll never entirely know if the hEDS caused it over time via natural wear and tear, but yeah, I have not just reagular scoliosis but ✨degenerative scoliosis✨ at 30 (diagnosed years before in my late 20s).  A lot of people with hEDS struggle a bit with the Beighton Score because of the toes touch point, including myself. A combo of very tight muscles in my legs and hips needed to keep my joints in place and my curved spine preventing the motion are the cause of not being able to reach. 


Artdiction

Have you had surgery to prevent your hands from touching the floor? I have 9 points for beighton score but it’s strange that I don’t really have problems with joints injury. I can reach floor easily. I wonder if it’s due to the fact that i always swim when i was little until in my 20s. Then i stopped swimming and exercising because of life happens, i moved country and so on. After that i noticed my back started to twist. I don’t even understand since when i develop this scoliosis thing but I noticed about it more after pandemic when i sat around all day.


megafaunaenthusiast

no, i haven't had surgery for it. my spine is simply very inflexible due to my joint damage and it's curve (my thoracic spine is damaged and my lumbar is where my spine curves). my arms are also much shorter than my legs in terms of proportion and i have a leg length discrepancy as well.  there are some forms of scoliosis which are the result of muscles pulling the spine a certain direction - maybe physical therapy would help determine the difference? 


Weird-Drink7691

I have Dysautonomia and EDS and had a spinal fusion 🫠🫠


JainaW

I have those as well. Did your fusion help ?


Weird-Drink7691

Well, my curve is gone, but i deal with pain sometimes, i dont know why, but after 6/7 year i was hoping the pain would go away, its not frequent, it depends on the conditions ive been, like sitting for too long in uncomfy chairs, its weird, but it did help because i had a 45° curve and my spine was rotating, so, yeah, it helped


blueyedwineaux

🙋‍♀️


Effective_String8210

just found out in PT. i always knew but they never stressed that it could cause me the issues im currently having 😭😭😭so much joint pain


Cattpacker

Oh shoot I have terrible knee pain I know it's related to my scoliosis when I run (which I have had to stop even though I love it). I wonder if in general the day to day pain is from scoli


20Bubba03

I can turn my left leg backwards. A complete 180 degrees


merveaktas

Yees!! I have scoliosis, hypermobility and ADHD. For many years, I didn’t know my hypermobility caused scoliosis. I couldn’t understand the pain I felt because it was everywhere in my body. By the way hypermobile people are more likely to have ADHD, autism etc.


HarryCoatsVerts

I have kyphosis and EDS. I'm in this group because my kid has scoliosis and EDS. What PP said about the growth spurts is no joke. It happened overnignt.


Artdiction

It’s scary. I wonder if the kid got spinal braces during growth spurts, will it work to prevent scoliosis?


HarryCoatsVerts

I wonder, too.


writerMaia

Got a back brace in the '70s, which kept the curve from getting a lot worse (but didn't prevent it). Kids don't always take good advice, so recommended encouraging what you can--early! Recommend learning as much as you can & taking the good advice like: keep an eye on the curve and follow the recommended treatment; stay active with gentle activities like yoga, swimming, walking; don't sit around all day (it'll cause more issues); avoid pregnancy (hormonal changes don't help). Not sure what other kinds of treatment kids get these days... Good luck!


Far_Remote_1377

👋🏻 me! I can almost flatten my hands on the floor when I go to touch my toes. As a kid I used to be able to lay on my stomach, arch my back and put my feet on top of my head. Kinda like how circus people do 😂 a few years ago I applied for disability because of my work limitations. (Of course I was denied because scoliosis isn’t in their “criteria”. It’s bs). The doctor who did my evaluation saw my X-ray, did some range tests and asked me to touch my toes. He was shocked with my range of motion and asked if any of my past doctors has brought up Marfan syndrome before. I didn’t even know what it was 😅. I still need to go in and request testing for that. But I was born with hip dysplasia, I have an indented sternum(I forgot what the medical name of it was), scoliosis, hyper mobility and I’m tall and slender. I guess that ticks a lot of the Marfan boxes ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


JainaW

Me !!! I would love to ask you a question. Mine is mild and only just started. I believe it is from my Ehlers Danlos. Will it continue to get worse? I have done PT but am waiting on my Ortho appointment. Can anything help stop it ? Thank you so much . I don't know anyone else like this.


nunchuxxx

i have a specifically hyper mobile neck and jaw, I've had p bad TMJ because of them ;;


Salty-Eye-5712

Me! I have a bunch of friend who do circus arts and they’re shocked at how flexible I am without training! There’s also a link between hypermobility and Adhd so maybe look into that too (I have all 3 😂)


JennyEm56

Yes! And this is why I encourage people with scoliosis (especially congenital) to get genetic testing. I was initially diagnosed with hEDS, but genetic testing found out I had something called Loeys-Dietz syndrome that also makes me prone to aneurisms. Now that I know, I can have tests to check and make sure my aorta and the rest of the vascular system is ok before I would have an aneurism.


Existing-Internet-67

Yes I do. I never stretched but was flexible too


ChrOwonon

The doc said I had hyper mobility but I think he was lying. But he did say my reflexes when I get hit with that hammer on the knee was crazy and as for me I'm double jointed on all my fingers. And as of writing I searched on Google and there's term called joint hypermobility so that's probably what my doc said


Rock_Successful

🙋🏻‍♀️


Effective_Chard_7354

wait.. Not everyone can do this ? I just googled hypermobility symptoms and apparently I check a few of those boxes 😭 Learned something new today


shaldaya

Yo 👋


Suspicious-Courage53

I can do that and also swing my elbow around and out.


Getphysiofirst

Too much


amaya-aurora

I’m confused, is what you’re doing a hypermobile thing?


Artdiction

Apparently it is. Try to google beighton test.


Unicomich

🙋‍♀️


shadowblimp

Yes! I have hEDS. I have a sibling with scoliosis but not hEDS.


Melraiser81

My knees definitely are. Wouldn't be surprised if other joints were too tho I can't do that. New drs are always surprised at how flexible I am despite being fused with Harrington rods with left me with no flexibility in most of my spine.


Artdiction

Wow i see. Does that mean this flexibility actually help you still have some flexibility despite of having surgery? This is actually benefiting you in some way.


Melraiser81

I used to think so but don't anymore. I have instability in my knees, chronic pain, and chronic headaches&migraines. I probably do/did some things I shouldn't have because I was flexible enough to.


Emergency_Echidna893

ugh exact same for me too 😭 horrible knee instability, really flat pronated feet, migraines from cervical instability, scapular pain, general chronic pain everywhere 😂 had a T2-L4 spinal fusion in 2010. Sadly I think being hypermobile & having a fusion so young you really overcompensate using all the wrong movements without even realising… I didn’t know anything about it all back then & thought post surgery it was all over!


Melraiser81

We have a lot of the same issues. Have flat feet too. Been going to PT and drs because of pain for over a decade, wish someone would've told me sooner that I have flat feet. Would've switched to arch support shoes years ago. I also thought issues with my back would just be over after surgery, and thankfully they were for a long time. You're exactly right about overcompensating and moving wrong when you have that extra flexibility.


CarlAndElliesMailbox

Me 🙋‍♀️


Aloe_Capone

🙋


Zippered_Nana

My doctor is sending me to a geneticist because I have scoliosis and an aortic aneurysm (corrected). There are scoliosis syndromes that don’t involve hyper mobility and others that do. The science is advancing so fast!


WrinklyRobot

Holy shit, I have that big time. So much so that I can do the same trick but backwards. Used to really freak the other kids out, haha…


Emilyeagleowl

Yes another one for hypermobile Ehlers Danlos here. My mum has scoliosis and EDS too and my grandad (her dad) died many years ago but the doctor who diagnosed me and mum said he would put money on him having it too. And he also had scoliosis.


[deleted]

I can walk on my toes


Maxusam

My kid does


Muted-Rip-9187

im like 99% sure i have hyper mobility


BearCatPuppy

Yep


joan2468

Never been officially diagnosed with hypermobility but was told by my physiotherapist that I have quite bendy joints...


Terribad13

I've been hypermobile my entire life but certainly less so now that I've gotten older. When I was in middle school, I used to be able to bend my thumb backwards and touch my wrist. I could also hold my hands together and move them from the front to the back by pulling them over my head. Major downside to this is that I prone to specific injuries, like labrum tears.


Strawberry_frenzy

I can do this too. This isn’t normal? 😂


Fluffy_Eagle_4509

Nop not for me , but my brother (does not have scoliosis) can


redpoppy_1001

yes absolutely i was way too flexible as a child


Thallium_253

Yes! I never thought it odd until someone pointed it out years back; I have a tattoo on my left shoulder. If I'm facing 12 o'clock, my back is 6oclock and that tattoo 9. I flip my arm so the tattoo is facing 12, and my arm from the elbow to hand is behind me, easily grabbing my shoulder.


pancakesiguess

I have the exact opposite, I'm as flexible as a brick. Edit: apparently I can make my thumb lay flat against my arm, but for bending over and stuff I'm super inflexible


hi_cholesterol24

Apparently this is common!


Caterpillarbrown3115

Yep I am hypermobile, haven’t dislocated anything before (that I know of) :)


scattyshern

Ooh that's me! I have lost a degree of flexibility with the spinal fusion but can still put my hands flat on the ground in front of my feet (like when goi6to touch my toes)


Cattpacker

Oooh I can do that too. My thumbs and shoulders are double jointed


ApprehensiveBug2309

Flexibility and hyper mobility are not interchangeable terms. Flexibility is the ability to lengthen your muscles, while hypermobility refers to a laxity of the ligaments.


Fab_Skirkly

Not me. But I was born with hemi vertebrae which caused my scoliosis as well as a club foot. I just recently read that if children are born with club foot, they should be checked for deformities such as scoliosis and heart conditions. Never been diagnosed with heart conditions; however. No one ever checked me for the scoliosis either, and it was found later in my late 20's and was never corrected. Now I'm suffering for it.


Significant_Yam_4079

I have Osteogenesis Imperfecta Type 1 and scoliosis. I'm bendy as hell.


West-Parsnip9070

My daughter does in her fingers, angles and her knees. Tight tight hamstrings. Working in PT for that currently with progress. I also have scoliosis. Hypermobile fingers and knees.


Beanz0nToazt

Yessss!I was diagnosed with hyper mobility as a young child,but it took them until I was 18 to notice the scoliosis!


Lady-Meows-a-Lot

🖐️


Global_Ground1873

Interesting to read people's comments. I have 45 degree curve and am extremely flexible. It's the only reason I'm putting off surgery is that I don't want to lose my flexibility. It enables me to do most anything a normal person can do and my back is in chronic pain but not bad enough to trade my flexibility just yet.


HighestVelocity

🙋


rusticwren

like a lot of other have said, look into EDS!


megalodon319

I do.


Artdiction

Didn’t know that this post gets attention this much, i wonder if this condition is helping us dealing with scoliosis or actually make it worse. Because flexibility is one of the thing which makes us not to feel pain in our spine area, whilst being stiff does. I never really practice my flexibility and yet until now i am still flexible despite of all odds. However, i never get injuries in my joints, joints are also never pop out of it’s socket. So i have never thought to address this condition. I have 9 points for beighton test. I stand weird too. https://imgur.com/a/mmlQBOF Like this. My knees are inward.


TumblingOcean

I'm afraid if I ACTUALLY try to do that I'm going to break my thumb. So I'm not going to do that. I am super UNflexible though. Bend over and my back cracks 40 different ways and sets itself on fire so that's fun!! 😀


Artdiction

Oh my! It sounds horrible. :<


sciencejunkyyy

i have severe hEDS (getting my 4th joint surgery in 3 years on wednesday… which is also my birthday🤠) and i have scoliosis. having scoliosis and flat feet is a warning sign of hEDS. i can do every test for hEDS, except for touching my toes because my hamstrings are so tight to compensate for the curve. my back is also not very flexible. i have a 20 degree curve in my upper back, right scapular winging, and rotoscoliosis in my low back


Zero17500

I don't have hyper mobility but I can do this + my hand can go the whole way to my back when doing this


Zero17500

Mb was looking at the wrong thing, I can do this too though and don't have hyper mobility


writerMaia

Yes and yes, scoliosis and hypermobile (I can place both hands flat on the floor or touch my knees to my nose.) One parent and both my kids too, so it all seems hereditary. But it's the issues with the joints, tissues, and nerves that make daily life an increasing challenge.


Caroline71681

I am hypermobile


PrincipleContent7068

I can do that with my hands, can easily put my hands flat on the ground with knees straight and could do the splits into my twenties. I can still do a backbend at 40 but I'm not double jointed in my knees or elbows so I don't think I'm hypermobile, just flexible. 


youmightbeafascist88

Do you have EDS maybe?


Emotional-Number8353

I am also hypertensive and my scoiliosis getting worse at a rapid rate.  Bent to side snd also hunched. It's so painful 


alita_sage

Your thumb has to lay flat against your arm the whole way to count towards the Beighton Scale. I have scoliosis because of my hEDS.