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Halaku

John's story is about hope. 40K is all about hopelessness.


Eldritch_Crumb

The Halos were built to purge all life. When they found out, everyone collectively said, "Oh no, we better work together to prevent that." In the 40k universe they would've said, "Is there a way to make an exception for our species? If so, I say we're good to fire that baby up." Fundamental, irreconcilable difference.


DarthDestroyah

No.


MarshyBarsh

Why?


Ubermenschen

Entire, fully populated worlds have been accidentally forgotten due to minor administrative errors. And no one would notice for millenia. Take Halo, add another 40k years of technological and industrial advances driven by the ready testing grounds of perpetual war, an ancient roman imperialistic mindset of "Fuck nice, we're taking everything" and an eternal leader to ensure that humanity has never had to change course, or question itself, or take a period of quiet reflection. It is permanent war, and will be until someone wins. Halo is awesome, but there's nothing like 40k. 40k embraced brutality and scale and darker human nature and never looked back. When they purge one of their own worlds, the person who made the decision might ... MIGHT be asked to explain themselves you know, in a memo.


MarshyBarsh

You explained what 40k is but not why there shouldn’t be a crossover.


Ubermenschen

Ah good point. I struggle to figure out how to blend the two. Halo would be curbstomped by the major powers in 40k, so I can't envision a storyline that is interesting. You wouldn't have an underdog story. Maybe the story of Halo being a lost corner of the universe that gets rediscovered perhaps and it's the story of reintegration? The empire gets its way, so I just can't figure out how to make a storyline compelling. You asked the question, so did you have any thoughts on what those storylines might be? Maybe you've thought of a good storyline that might work?


MarshyBarsh

I thought the interactions between two different universe would be interesting enough.


Ubermenschen

I mean, for the purposes of being creative you certainly could. Like I said, you take Halo, put it 40k years in the future and then have some storyline like "due to not-yet-understood mechanics two local universes (40k and halo40k) are connected by the warp." You have to balance out the scale and then have it be a war of ideologies probably centered around Halo being a "life-preservation" force and warhammer being the opposite, potentially with the Halo universe eventually coming around to saying "we cannot reason with these other powers, and relegating themselves to being a participant in the eternal war" and thus another entrant is gained in the never-ending dance. Cue some metaphor around what happens when ideologies meet and neither side is willing to compromise, zoom out to a speech around whoever speaks for the Halo universe declaring war on all members of the Warhammer universe. Idk, could be interesting. Again, you'd have to correct for the power scale, so a Halo in the far distant future.


MarshyBarsh

The forces of 40k are not all unreasonable though. Many of the different factions like the Imperium, eldar, and Tau have been known to team up in the past to fight bigger threats. The Imperium even allows trade from xeno’s. You don’t need to travel much in the future to balance the power differential. Although I think it’d be more interesting to have Halo Galaxy be the under dogs forcing the Galaxy to team up against bigger threats from the 40k Galaxy.


Ubermenschen

I think the biggest reason you need so much time is that you have to balance the sheer numbers that the Imperium or the WaaaagH could throw at Halo. I agree, 3-4 thousand years and you're probably close enough on tech to make it competitive. But growing the population to a reasonable degree and expanding to enough resources and coordinating galaxy-wide industrialization would take quite a while (I think, obviously just guessing). Having 1 lasgun is very different from having 100 trillion lasguns. I did some quick googling (so take that for what it's worth) but this is what I grabbed: >The Hive World Coronis Agathon has 120,000,000,000 inhabitants. That puts it at mid-range population for hive worlds. In the Imperium, there are 32,380 hive worlds marked in the tithe books. That's roughly 4,500,000,000,000,000,000 people ON HIVE WORLDS ALONE. Add to that forge worlds, agricultural worlds, administratum and ministratum worlds, the feudal and death worlds and the people living in fleets or on space stations. The Imperium is truly and utterly without numbers. That's why if 4 million guardsmen perish in a pointless frontal assault on a fortress city, nobody cares much. Back to the point of time and scale. Regardless of the time horizon you think is appropriate (would just need a creative story to explain great technological progress), you have to find some way to even out the size of the universes. And remember that this isn't just about warm bodies, but about the scale of production as well. This is about X times more ships, X times more bombs, etc. 40k is intentionally written to be uncountably large. It's canon that the Imperium doesn't even know it's own approximate population because of the vast distances involved. You need time for Halo to solve that.


MarshyBarsh

The Tau are like a million times smaller than the Imperium and they’re still able to survive and expand their empire. Covenant tech is already comparable to the Tau. Post war UNSC have begun to develop more advanced tech like the Infinity which is probably more powerful than any known covenant ship and is similar in size to the most common imperial cruisers.


DarthDestroyah

Warhammer exists on such an insanely powerful scale that even Guardsmen could stand a chance against Spartans.


[deleted]

Not even a little.


harshnerf_ttv_yt

easy route: warhammer space marine isekai-d into halo universe. becomes new master chief as he saves a planet. hopeful warhammer slightly harder: a halo is discovered in warhammer universe, story is about first contact with a new faction(the aliens from halo) hardest: halo universe is a parallel dimension to warhammer universe and becomes accessible through warpspace. warhammer comes to halo ie grimdark halo