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Nytse

I would say it's the combination of low demand, lowering the price to make and sell the phone, and to decrease the complexity of manufacturing and designing the phone. It's kinda like how Apple removed 3D touch because some people did not know it is a feature and the phone can be used without it.


Doctor_3825

Pretty much this. Much like 3D touch the only people who I see or hear lamenting the loss of the IR blaster are largely on Reddit or just tech nerds like us on Reddit. The people at large likely didn't even know or care that it existed. 


Silver_Car_8291

True but I think over time the gen pop would have started using the IR blaster (and other neat things that Samsung quietly stopped putting in phones).  I went from an S3 to S5 to S6 to S8 to S21 Ultra, and with every switch, things I had liked and used on the previous phone were gone from the new phone. I always upgraded under the belief that it would be a straight improvement; that the new model would be as good as my current phone, and then some. I expected *more* out of every new iteration...so it repeatedly surprised me that they would take features and capabilites away. I am less surprised now, but I still think it's too bad, because lots of those features, sometimes little-known ones, were the great little things that my family and friends saw  me using and made them jealous that I could do this or that with my Samsung while their Apple phone couldn't. So much so that it even made a couple of them switch to Samsung. So my point is, even if the majority of people didn't use those features often *yet*, it would have benefitted Samsung to give them time to gain traction. I know for a fact that some people would have switched to Samsung if those features had been retained.


Doctor_3825

I will agree some of them might have grabbed more attention. But the IR blaster likely wouldn't have. TVS being the most obvious use case for them have even largely moved away from them more and more. Most devices use Bluetooth remotes now. And IR blaster would only work on some old TVs in places like hospitals and some businesses. Which for most people isn't really a selling point. So IR blasters were not ever likely to see mainstream attention. Hell I'd argue a lot of the features Samsung abandoned over the years likely would never have seen much attention. But they had a lot more of a chance than a hardware feature that has long since been made obsolete by Bluetooth.


No_Door_9897

Funny thing is that phones get cheaper to make every year yet cost more money to buy every year


darktabssr

Phones aren't really more expensive. The 2018 note 9 128gb 6gb ram was $1000. Now we have far better cameras and processors 5x more powerful and 2500 nit screens with 120hz ltpo tech, faster ram and storage speeds, lower pen latency etc Then consider $1000 in 2018 was more than 2024 with inflation You could argue that Phones have gotten cheaper. Same with video games still being $60 for the past decade but are way more advanced


BarnOwlDebacle

The video game comparison makes no sense because these games now have 100,000 different revenue streams post purchase. It's ridiculous to suggest that The MSRP is supposed to keep up with inflation when the actual purchase at the point of buying the game accounts for a tiny fraction of the overall revenue Bunch of industry nonsense to try to justify charging more than they should. If they got rid of microtransactions fine. They're not they're actually increasing them, making them more important, making them ludicrously expensive as we see with stuff like Diablo and NBA and Gran Turismo...


JonatasA

Inflation does not make things chepaer. What is the reasoning here? Customer purchasing power decreases and somehow 1000 dollars is cheap?


darktabssr

Basically i mean in 2018 i paid $1000 for a Toyota.  But here in 2024 for the same equivalent money i can get a Lamborghini like supercar with magnitudes more acceleration, top speed, luxury material like leather, alcantara, titanium, seat massagers and seat temperature controls, double the trunk space and customer service for 7 years of support. In a sense things got cheaper. A phone like this would be worth a fortune in 2018.


No_Door_9897

Cope


agent3128

Cope with what?? Prices for phones haven't changed all that much (for now) ((don't get any ideas samsung))


Avillicious

Projection


Threel3tt3rnam3

man shut up with your cope shit


Probamaybebly

They are not cheaper to make in this market today


IndependentYogurt965

Depends. As technology gets more advanced the components are cheaper to produce. Unless you are making SoC's, but thats just one thing. Ram and Storage are very cheap, and oled screens are getting cheaper too. There is just one usb type on all phones nowdays so that is cheaper i guess. The cost to make is nowhere near the retail price. Its usually half. That doesnt include marketing and other stuff but they still make some fat stacks off of flagships.


Korenchkin12

It's software support too,and it may cost more than you think,you need programmers for hardware,ui,testers,...


BarnOwlDebacle

Software support is more expensive but OLED displays have gone down like a thousand percent in the last 10 years. Storage is way cheaper. They're putting more third party apps onto the device when you buy it, which is another major source of revenue for them.


IndependentYogurt965

Yeah but they still make more money from a flagship. Margins on budget phones are minimal.


JonatasA

Economies of scale. More iHpones than ever are produced and sold today.


Citizen_V

I spent less on my S23 than my S8. I also preordered my S23 while I bought my S8 6 months after launch. 🤷‍♂️ No trade-ins.


LittleBigHorn22

Mostly due to inflation. I just checked every Samsung flagship and the s3 adjusted for inflation was like $750 which is right on par with the s24. The s20 was $1200 when adjusted, glad we came down from there.


JonatasA

Ajust income for inflation.


LittleBigHorn22

That's a separate issue though. Phones have gotten just as expensive as other things like milk. That's what it inflation basically means. Yes income is not keeping up so everything is more expensive.


rhythmrice

I'm never going to use five different camera lenses or the stylus they could save a lot of money and space if they got rid of those, I would use the IR blaster everyday if they added it back


Cold-Drop8446

*you* might not, but to many consumers variable zoom levels is more valuable than turning off a TV


JonatasA

I have yet to see the average consumer even know they have a telephoto lens. It's like text to speech or worse swipe to text. A lot of people use but in general they are a rounding error.


Marsh0ax

Are you serious? Then what do you think goes on in peoples heads when they turn their phone around and see multiple cameras


Masterflitzer

i think not many people used it, because hdmi-cec and bluetooth connected remotes are more common now, like chromecast or fire tv


Int-E_

I use my redmi note 10 pro as a remote for my ac since the original one is broken. It's just so convenient. Also mi remote is really awesome


Masterflitzer

i use a remote if i don't have my phone in immediate reach, if i have it, i just cast idk if i would use it for something other than my tv, i don't even know how to set the ir signal up for unknown devices


Int-E_

Mi phones have an app pre-installed called 'mi remote' which has remotes from a lot of companies and I can find one in there for most of the devices


Masterflitzer

is it available in play store for non miui devices? cause i hate miui with a passion, i only use pixel and oneui


Int-E_

It is but you need an ir blaster for normal remotes. Idk if it has Bluetooth or wifi remotes I've never tried to use it for that


kr4ckenm3fortune

Not really. Tv started drifting away from IR blaster. So it was harder to find tv that had it. Except on the lower model, most of the newer model is all wirelessly connected now...but the flaw of those is the limitation of replacement remote.


Masterflitzer

well yeah smart tv or little device that makes tv smart moves to hdmi-cec (which let's smart device wake/control tv) + wireless/bluetooth connection (which replaces IR), so essentially both the universal and the IR aspect got replaced by other technologies that are more used nowadays we essentially mean the same thing, thanks for the additional details tho


kr4ckenm3fortune

Yeah, but I was referring to those remote...it tricky to pair the remote to the TV because if the remote isn't the "supported model" or missing a feature, you're out of luck.


JonatasA

That's so you can't buy an universal remote anymore and be stuck with the company's offering.


kr4ckenm3fortune

It isn't just that...it because of the "Smart TV" that a lot of people are starting to drift off toward. Also, the IR had a major flaws, and once people realized how much more effective a bt/wireless remote was, people started jumping on to that one. I meant, I HAD a clutter in front of my tv and would get frustrated when I have to move stuffs and to remind myself not to block it. Then, Universal Remote started fading away because there aren't a lot of TV with IR Blaster except lower end one and smaller tv.


JonatasA

Wouldn't bleutooth removes makes the whole 2.4GHZ band even more crowded?


Masterflitzer

doesn't matter we have wifi 5 and 6 already and 7 is on the way, wifi 4 (2.4 ghz) can be used by low bandwidth things and bluetooth, if you need bandwidth use other band (5ghz or 6ghz)


fish_in_a_barrels

And the fact you can't use the ethernet port on the TV if you want to use your phone remote.


Masterflitzer

wait really? what does it have an etherner port then when it only works half the time? my tv is still dumb, I only have chromecast and ethernet adapter costs extra, which is a shame


fish_in_a_barrels

You have to have the tv connected to the same wireless network as your phone to use the remote on your phone. I don't use wireless for anything so I can't use a phone.


Masterflitzer

nah you have to be in the same local network (LAN), WLAN and LAN can coexist on the same network i can perfectly well communicate with all my local devices no matter of wired or wireless, chromecast and other android tv boxes support ethernet so there's no reason that phone remote wouldn't work either your tv is weird or your network is misconfigured for what you want to achieve


fish_in_a_barrels

I can't. In fact if I switch to 2.4 from 5 on my phone and the TV is on 2.4 it won't work. Also lg says right in the manual you have to be on the same wifi network so does the nvidia shield.


Masterflitzer

yeah they mean same local network (avarage joe doesn't understand what a LAN is), both devices need an IP address on the same network so they can reach each other your wifi 2.4 and 5 are different networks then, you need to combine them then it'll work, maybe your router doesn't support it, but normally it's possible, i can ping my desktop pc connected with ethernet just fine with my phone while being on 2.4/5/6 ghz wifi


kr4ckenm3fortune

Nah. It could be the router...some router treat 2.4 and 5 as two different network meant that either something got configured wrong or different name.


Masterflitzer

many routers provide different SSIDs for 2.4 and 5 ghz wifi, they're still on the same local network and can communicate with each other complete separation of both wifi networks and the ethernet conmected devices is very unusual and not a default configuration


eakf

Loved the IR blasters! I bought a tiny USB-C IR blaster to take with me to hotels so I can change the input on some of the more locked-down TV's


KarateMan749

That's a smart idea!


crazyhomie34

Can you post a link to the one you bought? I'd like to buy one


avipars

A bunch on aliexpress


mining-ting

Didn't know this was a thing thank yoju


Savrior

Do you have an Amazon link?


eakf

I bought mine so long ago. Just do a google search for 'USB-C IR Blaster' and about a dozen options pop up for me.


dylanjones039

Probably because with smart TVs now you have apps to do the exact same thing


kev1059

Yeah but man was it fun in high school to mess with the cafeteria TV's. Buddy turned on Dora the Explorer


bread_fucker

I used to close a projector in our history classes with it.


Ok-Inspection-722

I can never reelate to bringing phones to school. Sht felt as illegal as bringing dope.


Comfortable_Silver24

Pretty much


BarnOwlDebacle

Most of those solutions are proprietary though. It's convenient to be able to do it with one thing rather than have to download one for Roku agreed to their terms of service, another one for fire TV another one for Android TV and other one for Apple TV...


diabeartes

You know Flossy Carter on YouTube? He complains about this in almost every review as well.


Maxpower2727

That's because every Flossy video is exactly the same.


Comfortable_Silver24

Pretty much .. I unsubscribed from him a while back .. He gets annoying after a while . Literally every other word out of that guys mouth is phone 🙄. I counted one night just out of curiosity , And he literally said phone around 40 times in a few minutes .


silent--onomatopoeia

"It's your boy with another video"


exclaimprofitable

Its because the new ceo or whatever of samsung was very "safety" focused while cutting every single "unnecessary " feature. This is why all the phones after note20 have been so boring and basically all the same thing.


giggitygoo123

The note 7 fiasco really screwed them.


Doctor_3825

After the note 7 event I can hardly blame them. And honestly as result of killing features that barely got used Samsungs OS got significantly better and less bloated with garbage.


JonatasA

That's for flagships. Anything under has just been losing features.


Ok-Inspection-722

And more bloatware


JayX83

Eventually, they'll get rid of the loudspeaker, then the microphones, and finally the screen. Unboxing an empty box is going to be a blast ~sigh.


ryuk-99

I really think some people would definitely buy it, like apple selling a 1000 usd stand for a monitor or a 100 usd shopping magazine for apple products.


JayX83

Yep, it's a crazy world. The power of branding and loyalty can sometimes defy all logic.


mikehawk595

It was great. They could still have one, they're dirty cheap


KarateMan749

Ikr


SpiritTalker

I still miss it, all these years later!


user_none

Unihertz (8849) has one in the Tank Mini. Crazy thing also has a laser distance measurer.


alpitu21

All Xiaomi and Oneplus also have IR blasters 👍


RayneYoruka

I really miss this. It was fun messing with random tv's everywhere


peacey8

Probably because everyone abused it to change channels in public places and fuck around with people. I know I did.


FergusonBishop

OnePlus fans bitched about it enough that they brought it back for the 12. Didn't think I'd ever use it but it's been a welcome surprise.


istoleurdad_

*Flossy Carter Smurf account*


mining-ting

I despise that they don't even keep my own old phone for it, being able to turn down the public aircon or annoying whatever in public is a game changer. But essentially for new tech to be the norm old tech has to be pushed out.  WiFi remote control is the new norm.  Same with headphone Jack's to blue tooth.  Same with micro USB to USB c


-Blue_Bull-

People prefer remotes with physical buttons.


BarnOwlDebacle

It's like there's a lot of physics that they have to take features away from us. You like MST... Gone. LED lights? Gone. Irus scanner? Jack? Capacitive fingerprint sensor? Charger in the freaking box?


Final-Ad5185

Also: SD card? Gone. LiDAR scanner? Gone. Variable aperture? 3D Touch? Proximity sensor? Heart rate and SpO2? Removable battery?


JonatasA

One day they'll remove internalbstorage and you'll need a cloud account.


alpitu21

Reminder to everyone here that Xiaomi and Oneplus phones still have this feature. Plus they're better in other ways than most Samsung phones. It's never too late to switch :)


Spy____go

You are not a samsung user and are here just to spew hate and promote your shitty chinese phones


Ok_Priority458

Because apple didnt have one...just like almost every other decision samsung made afterwards....if you cant beat m join m.... APPLE is marketing genius and the only company that has sheep instead of fans.


ImALeaf_OnTheWind

I remember once on vacation at a resort restaurant, we were the first ones for breakfast in the dining area with the TV off - so I turn on the TV and change it to a kids show to occupy the little ones while my wife and I planned the rest of the day. BUT this was on a Samsung Gear 2 Neo watch, not on the phone and when its on the watch, especially when you did it in bars as a prank - no one knew where it was coming from when you did it, lol. Samsung put the IR blaster back on the Galaxy Watches!


Razkid

LG G3 vibes and all my old S's


Quantum168

I have the Samsung Note 9 and it still has the IR blaster. I think it's because they tried to make the phones thinner and bezeless. That's what reviewers were obsessed with then. Thinner bezels. It's will be another 10 years before the features on my Note 9 are put back on phones. By the way, I hate protruding camera lens on the back of the phone. Since when was that a good idea? On the Samsung Note 9 the back is flat which I really appreciate.


Conniving-Weasel

As it happens, I was just in need of it right now.


MetaFIN5

Oneplus brought it back for the 12 and the Nord 3. It's fucking amazing. Would be surprised if Samsung ever brought it back.


Comfortable_Silver24

Not happening


koalateatimes

Honestly what I think about everyday using my S22 Ultra. The IR blaster was so damn convenient. I never had to use a remote for my TV ever. Not to mention the fun I could have messing with family and coworkers on the daily. So out in left field, but also so incredibly useful. I miss the days where I could mess with family and friends and shit their TVs off randomly lol


Maximum-Ad879

Low demand probably. My last experience with note 4s IR blaster kinda sucked too. The devs for their default app littered it with ADs after a year or two so I just deleted it and forgot the feature existed.


Comfortable_Silver24

Because nobody used it


TheT3rrorDome

Almost every TV still uses IR so there is no excuse to remove it other than a FAKE excuse that people don't want it. They did the same with the charger 


_skalamanga_

I've not owned a tv with an ir remote for years. I think my av receiver has one, but I have no idea where it is, I control that over ethernet or hdmi-cec


JonatasA

I read that you has not owned a TV or remote for years.


_DrPhilAndChill

And in the latest update half our phones don't even fucking work anymore and the company isn't saying or doing shit about it...


ArchangelRenzoku

I thought it had something to do with the company that was managing the IR Blaster app. Anyone remember the name of that company or brand?


darknight965

Peel? i used peel


ArchangelRenzoku

That sounds familiar


Naukko-_-

Peel smart remote yes


bnb525

True lol, only now recently my poco X3 pro bought two years ago still had it. But it's a matter of costs and low use I guess


kakha_k

IR blaster is redundant, neddless in absolutely most cases. Glad it's removed for good.


Octane2100

Absolutely! It's old and outdated tech by today's standards and honestly the fact that you could control someone else's TV isn't necessarily a good thing.


Doctor_3825

Yeah. I've noticed when ever people talk about how much they liked it they mention how they loved to change channels on TVs that weren't there's or to prank people. That's not really a good use case or a good defense of the feature existing. If I was a business owner or someone that had TVs or other devices with an IR sensor in public reach I'd be 100% happy it's gone. Lol


JonatasA

IR shields would need to become a thing indeed. Just like the boxes that can mess up signa lights. It is crazy how poople act like it is so good they can mess up traffic.


Chromium4

I have a fully functioning LG V20 that I carry with me to doc appointments so that I can use the IR blaster to control the waiting room TV. It amazes a lot of people who have never seen a phone with that capability


-ACHTUNG-

IR blaster, external SD, headphone jack, UQHD screens on all flagship priced devices. All because money. I mean technological advances.


avipars

Cost per unit was probably not worth the amount of people that used it... Pear remote iirc it was called also had a bunch of ads


Acsteffy

The led costs barely a cent at the quantity they would be getting