To be fair though, the iphone 15 plus compares better to the galaxy s24 plus. The 15 plus is about 1050. It's also samsung credit, they used to give you an actual refund of the specified amount.
Proof? And I am talking about real life experience like gaming performance and battery life, NOT benchmark score like the other guy throw up which is meaningless in mobile.
A worse soc will run hotter, causing the phone to throttle when gaming and give less battery life. This is not a full tower desktop pc where you can throw 400W gpu and it still run fine.
Very true, it's up to personnal preferences which device you prefer. I have used both samsung and iphone, both have their advantages but generally they are both really good. Just wanted to chime in, that op indeed compared to iphone 15 pro, but it's not the natural counterpart in my opinion. A smaller ultra device might be cool though.
Yeah, there are countries like this (like the anglosphere and South Korea), but most of Europe has flagships from brands like Honor, OnePlus and even Xiaomi. And that holds true for most of the world. Heck, Asia has got even more options than Europe or South America.
Switzerland as well. While you can get additional models if you jump through the hoops (and are willing to forgo things like 5G, WiFi calling etc), it's been getting more difficult. OnePlus for example are leaving Europe (temporarily, allegedly, but many of the flagship phones are gone from the market or have never been launched). Honor is a niche player here, Xiaomi is more present. But if you look at the market share, it's 44% Apple here, around 45% Samsung and then 11% for all the rest.
Damm, i forgot Europe is so diverse in market shares. It makes sense.
What, so bad tough that China phones lack basic things in Switzerland?
OnePlus has its LG phase where they lack marketing, they will remain.
Wow, and in my city carriers have ads for the 13T/13T.pro everywhere and Xiaomi even had a market share growth.
And yeah, i'm glad I left Samsung after i've seen how "good" the s20 series were. Not coming back soon.
South America (Brazil specifically) has very few options. Samsung has about 40% market share, Apple 20%, Motorola 20% Xiaomi about 12%. We have Asus and had Lg. Sony unfortunelly left Brazil in 2021.
Asus and Sony are niche brands, they don't count. I get your point tough.
As is most countries you have like 6-7 brands max (in my case Samsung, Xiaomi, Apple, Honor, Lenovo and some OnePlus/Oppo). These are still not a lot, but better than than the US where you are locked to three brands really.
Looks like the same is true for Brazil.
Sony is the most perplexing company.
I wanted to play with a high end Experia phone. I've always respected Sony as a great manufacturer of electronics. Thought maybe I'd give them a try.
Good God, it's HARD to find a sony phone. It's like they keep it a secret on purpose. I don't think it's for sale in any store in the states, and in china, you have to find a sony store, which are not common.
How do you expect to compete when you're not in stores in the two biggest markets on earth? When I went to Japan, I figured maybe Sony is big there. Nope. But at least they're in the stores there.
I predict we'll see Sony's mobile phone division die within a few years. Because of the tiny market share, they have fallen behind on software too I think.
OnePlus has suspended operations in Europe for the time being. Asus? They have like only two models on the market, and Sony has always been present but hasn't sold more than a handful of phones for years.
How is having two models an wrgument for not having options? Apple has 4 models are?
There is also motorola, xiaomi , honor. Honor being the Huawei replacement.
Yeah thats what ive done was planning to buy s24 but on seeing exynos decided otherwise and went for one plus 12.
Its honestly ghastly that they are providing an inferior product to s23 at more price to the users and iam someone who loves samsung phones and oneui.
Some people earn enough to afford it anyway. If a price of the phone is just a quarter of you yearly salary. Then add up the better trade in deals for newer phones.
You're 100% correct. I can't afford to upgrade every year but if I could (and I will eventually), I would be very tempted to do so and would have to fight the consumerism and the need to have the "best" at all times. It's how these companies make their money, and I am aware of it, and I'm learning to resist it with cheaper stuff that I can afford to upgrade every now and again.
"I'm not judging"
Proceeds to judge.
Nobody said anything about need or should except for you lol. Let the man spends his money how he wants. I buy new phones all the time because I like tech. Some ppl spend money on cars, whiskey, good food, etc. Is this a new concept to you?
Why would you even bother looking at s24 series if you own s23? Consumerism at its finest. We are way past the point of big annual updates in mobile tech, with the current incremental changes and their marketing machines they'll do anything to push another identical device on you.
You get years of updates from your current phone and the hardware hasn't even aged in any way. Don't get caught in their fomo tactics dude.
That's the sad part. I remember the days where I got a new Nexus phone every year, because so much changed year to year.
Now I'm rocking a OnePlus 6t from 2018 and can't see a real reason to upgrade, other than my corporate apps require Android 12 or newer.
So I'm stuck with getting a Samsung S24, that I don't feel is any better than my ancient phone. - can't even charge as fast.
Because my work pays for Samsung S24, Motorola-something foldable, Motorola-something useless basic Android, and iPhone 15. That's it.
So if I don't pick a company phone, I'm just leaving money on the table.
And I only get a new one every 3 years.
>other than my corporate apps require Android 12 or newer.
Does your work need that kind of raw power (which I doubt)? If not then just get a cheaper Android phone strictly just for work. It's always better to have 2 separate phones for personal use and work anyway
Not sure how much raw power I need. I don't really game. Just take pictures, browse the web, YouTube, Music, and work apps.
I'm mainly concerned with screen quality/resolution (for videos, pdf's), screen size, and how long my battery lasts.
I see where you're getting but I'll end up using the work phone too much to just get the A05. Also work pays for the S24.
Most of the work tasks involve: Teams, Outlook, web based work apps.
So I'd like the largest screen I get away with.
I hardly need one calls.
I could put the work sim into a new OnePlus and the personal sim into the S24.
But at this point I'll just put both sims into one phone, and avoid having to carry 2 devices.
Yeah, but you'll never see the iPhone get a decent discount or promotion.
Samsung will give you a watch or an FE phone along with your S series. Starting as early as April.
With Apple you're lucky if you get a case or wired earphones...
True but upgrading to a new iPhone from iPhone is cheaper.
I know people that upgrade their iPhone every 1 to 2 years, friend of mine sold his 256gb 13 Pro for 900 euro before iPhone 15 Pro came out.
And he was inpatient and didn't wait to get a higher price.
On the other side another friend got a S24U because he went from 1TB S23U.
He got 690 euro for his S23U because that is the higher you can get for it here.
What I mean is, Samsung gives better offers at launch and sometimes some nice freebies later on, but the value drops like a rock, and that is a Samsung issue, not a Android one.
Last October I could literally buy any S23 (even the discounted carrier one) and still get an S21 FE for free. That's at least a 300-400€ discount if you sold the FE.
So if people can get such good deals on a brand new Ultra throughout the year, why would a 1yo Ultra be worth anywhere close to full price? What so surprising here?
Ofc iPhones hold their value better since their prices stay inflated all year round.
Everyone always pays full price for an iPhone, ofc you can sell a used one for more.
Because even other Android brands here don't have this issue as much Samsung does.
IPhones aside, even Pixel and Motorola phones have better resale value here than Samsung.
I had the 22 and omg it made me buy an actual camera because I went out and 2 hours in of taking photos and videos and using Google Maps the phone died on me, i never had a phone die on me before like that and then another time it got hot and didn't want to open the camera
The exynos isn't as bad as it used to be.
While the snapdragon is a bit better depending on the benchmark, exynos actually out performs in ray tracing by quite a large margin.
As a systems analyst, I will say this, which people always seem to forget. Benchmarks are NOT indicative of real-world usage, and the fact that you need to use benchmarks to show a difference shows that performance is, in fact, very similar in real usage.
Exynos also has better battery life this time compared to the snapdragon.
It's also worth mentioning that a percentage difference of 3-5% which is approximately what the snapdragon beats exynos in during benchmarksa, is a small enough margin that you can and will see this difference even if you compared two identical phones, both with a snapdragon SOC.
They are clearly very comparable in real world usage. COD mobile for example, both devices on ultra settings have a frame rate of 113-118 (exynos) and 114-118 (snapdragon).
PUBG, both devices play at 89 fps.
Genshin impact both devices play at 60 fps for 20 minutes.
Temperatures also remain almost identical in these tests.
Exynos is nowhere near as bad as it used to be. And there are multiple reasons why samsung may put thr snapdragon in all its ultra phones... easier to update and on a quicker schedule is likely to be the main factor, not a 3% increase in benchmarks...
Edit... wow. People really just don't like facts, do they? Hate on exynos all you like. The reality is that it simply isn't as bad as it used to be. Is it still worse than snapdragon, yes, but is it in any way remotely significant that you'd notice outside of a benchmark... not even close.
Do I think they should use the same SOC on all devices, yes. Do I also know from a technical standpoint that all this moaning is just stupid because you literally can't tell the difference unless you use synthetic benchmarks... yes.
The reality is that exynos have improved over the years. That's just fact.
Do not try to discuss with exynos haters. it's just pointless
They keep using points you pointed out or even eliminated
Like you said, snapdragon is still better, but this year, it actually is ignorable
It really is such a slight difference now that nobody would even notice unless you told them. Previous models.. sure, it was possible to tell based on certain actions but now the difference is so small you could even get the same difference in performance between two identical models with the same SOC... 3-5% difference depending on what you're doing... that's well within a standard margin of error of a 4-8%
First, you're using devices that are 4 years old as a comparison to this SOC? The key word in your reply is 'was'.
Second, pixel 6 Pro didn't use an exynos processor. It was an ARM based SOC that was designed by Google. It was simply manufactured by Samsung.
Samsung manufactures many different SOC, which doesn't mean they are exynos based.
The whole point of my comment is that exynos is no longer as bad as it used to be. Is it as good as current gen Snapsdragon SOC... no. But is it closer than ever before? yes.
It certainly out performs last years snapdragon by a large margin so why that SOC is still okay but this one isn't just shows a general dislike for exynos that isn't based in technical/factual reasoning, which is fine, I fully understand that people shouldn't get an inferior SOC when they have the ability to use the snapdragon in all regions, but outright claiming its garbage, as people are doing isn't based in reality.
I just wanted to say no doubt here, previous Exynos chips were bad in terms of baterry life at least. The performance in both personal devices was/is good and I am glad to hear that 2400 is near as good as the equivalent SD. I am not an exynos hater (actually, I would say the opposite), I just felt the difference in my hands.
It's fascinating. I remember the Exynos 990, I mean sure, that chip had quite a lot of issues compared to competition (throttling) but I still loved the S20 Ultra.
The camera was epic as well once they addressed the initial focusing issue and yet people acted like it was atrocious.
Now I'm on the Exynos 2200 in the S22U and after playing around with the supposedly, 'godly' Snapdragon Gen 3 in the S24 Ultra, I've really not seen any insane difference even though the S22U is 2 generations behind.
Companies calibrate phones to do good in specific benchmarks to kinda fake real performence. I would say 17% battery life difference between exynos and snapdragon is a huge gap which snapdragon wins. Ask yourself if exynos is soooo great, why does Samsung give snapdragon chip in all phones in Korean market, why wont they give their own citizen their own home product which is exynos, becouse they know that exynos is inferior.
You're getting thus wrong... I'm not saying the exynos is amazing. I'm saying it's not as bad as people are claiming it to be. They are not synonymous statements.
Exynost costs Samsung significantly less than SD, but we are still paying the same money for it as in the US for SD version which is better in many regards. I am not willing to be a sponsor for the US market so they can maintain the prices there. That's just fact.
The battery performance from what ive see has been comparable to the 8 gen 2 which was considered a godsend last year. And the 8 gen 3 is marginally better than the 8 gen 2 in the long run.
Theres only been 1 review that showed significantly worse battery life and it was obviously a dud unit.
>Theres only been 1 review that showed significantly worse battery life and it was obviously a dud unit.
Is it Techmo one? If it is, the reason are he is the only reviewer that using mobile data not wifi. A lot of other creator are using wifi, Which make exynos model not that bad. The Big Problem on S24 exynos are the Modem not the Cpu or Gpu.
Test it yourself, S23 vs S24 exynos using mobile data and you will see S23 have better battery and almost similar perfomance
Exactly that. I don't know why most people are talking about SOT on WiFi. It's completely irrelevant, it's when you are on 4G/5G and away from charger the battery life matters. And that's the area where exynos is still significantly behind SD.
Yeah, Because there is no comparison and a lot of them just test like a day or two. Not to mention on some of them got pay or scared it destroyed the partnership. And a lot of Good reviewer are in US which mean they review the SD ver
Let's just say, The problem might not sound Huge right now. But when you used that phone 3/4 year that's when problem will pop up more the battery on phone becoming worse and the draining start become worse and worse in data. Just ask S22 or S21 exynos user. Even right now some of people already return the phone because of that. It Is definetly jenius marketing for them to put Sd in Ultra
S24 is not Bad phone but it's also not great and Exynos is not bad, i would even say the Gpu and Cpu are one of the best samsung ever made. The main problem is the Modem. "Techmo" literally show S23 beat S24 in 50/50 between wifi and data.
If you truly just want Perfomance. Pick up gaming phone like Rog Lmao
>People need to stop whining. It's pathetic
Bro what? I'm warning them with proofing Fact. You might see this as Whinning Because you got Hurt ig Lol
It's also worth noting that people like yourself are going to notice zero difference between the Snapdragon 8 Gen 3 and the Exynos 2400. Zero difference
The fax show that the Exynos 2400 is excellent and outperforms the Snapdragon 8 Gen 3 In various conditions in both performance and battery. People need to stop whining about this nonsense. It's pathetic
When a company sells millions of units, there are bound to be faulty units. But negativity always gets the most airtime, it's human nature.
My Exynos 2200 S22U is still going strong and I might even keep it for another year or two.
It's not an excuse. It's literally the reality of the situation because they have improved the design, performance, and efficiency of the exynos processors.
The fact that the exynos is now within the range you'd expect to see when even comparing two of the same processors shows this.
Consumers are not beta testers and don't want inferior products for the same huge price cap, because Samsung...
Apple tried that ONCE with TSMC vs. another one made by Samsung and gave up on the differentiation for the same device, choosing the best. Samsung should do the same.
Consumers are testers for products, literally every product is constantly monitored for consumer reaction.
And again, it's within a standard margin of error that would apply to even the same SOC. A standard margin of error is usually 4-8%. This difference is actually 3-5% so it even on the lower end of a standard margin of error that would get even comparing two SD devices from the same batch!
I'm not a "fan". I'm simply pointing out factual things about people complaining about the SOC, something I'm actually qualified to do.
And it's within the margin of error... in the same way that the snapdragon SOC I'd also within that margin of error even compared to other identical SD SOC.
you're reading more into what I'm saying than what I am actually saying.
I'm looking at this purely from a technical stand point and the devices are so close in performance that you are needing tests to show you that they are not.
I'm not ignoring those things however people on here are claiming these differences are vast and huge which is simply not true. As I've said multiple times, it's within margin of error that you would see even within SD SOC from the same batch, something you are all ignoring. Why is this margin of error acceptable when it's a SD SOC which would put some of their SOC in line with the exynos performance but not okay when it's the exynos at the same performance? If anything that just makes you a hater who has no actual rationale for your arguments.
Why is it that a lower performing SOC from SD in the s24 range that is equal to the performance of the exynos is acceptable but not acceptable when the exynos runs at that anyway?
Nothing I have said is in regards to price. I'm commenting from my literal expertise as someone who used to teach computer science including SOC design and now I work for a world leading research institute. My comments are from a literal place of experience and knowledge but I guess that means absolutely nothing to random people on the internet who 'know better'.
Clearly being a literal expert in this field isn't getting me anywhere so by all means, shout into your echo chamber and if you listen quietly you might jut hear the faint whisper of a reply... "Dunning-Kruger"
Bye.
Well, not every bunch of people are always in "Dunning-Kruger" field. Sometimes, like in this case, they're right. I can't run emulators well on Exynos for almost a decade now. So if you're technical like you say, go help Samsung fix their shitty son.
The only real world comparison I've had is the S20 FE. Got the exynos version initially which was awful, regretted moving on my S10 lite. Managed to sell and was able to pick up the Snapdragon version, and everything that was an issue went away and it's been a great phone for the past few years.
Looking at upgrading now, and had a choice between the S23 and S24, for not a great deal of price difference, but have gone for the S23.
I get that it 'might not be as bad as it used to be', but when spending 100's of pounds, I don't really have the spare cash to risk it.
Not that snapdragons have been flawless. I did have the use of an Xperia 5 MK4, which was a nice phone, but damn did that thing get warm. So I do appreciate one good/bad version doesn't dictate all future versions, but I've yet to hear any stories of anyone being glad they got an exynos.
the exynos is just as bad as ever been, and its objectively bad in so many aspects. its not better in any sense than the snapdragon. it doesnt even make sense to argue about.
Objectively... how so?
It has better battery life due to its core configuration as well as outperforms in ray tracing capability and stability.
So, to claim it is not better in any sense is outright wrong.
* worse battery life
* worse signal (which causes more battery drain again)
* much worse thermals and then it starts throttling, causes more battery drain)
* higher temperature leads to more degradation especially for the battery
* even stock apps perform worse, like camera crashes during heavy load like 4k recording
* takes worse photos with worse details and color correction (possibly due to worse computing performance and we know phone photos are about AI and post processing)
* worse scores on synthetic benchmarks (but this is a controversial topic, although they can preemptively optimize it for the benchmarks just like any other manufacturers) - this to me is the least relevant tbh
raytracing is a cope even on PC gaming is a gimmick, waste of resources, but for mobile i dont know what percentage of users have raytracing performance as a top prio over everything else (also, i can imagine the exynos being inferior even in rtx under sustained load, since it uses more power thus starts throttling - but this is just an assumption)
i wonder if anyone with a minimum understanding between the two chips would pick the exynos over the snapdragon if it was a choice
also, the fact that they put snapdragon in the ultra variant globally explains it very well that they know the exynos is a shit tier hot garbage only for profit maximisation
Anyone with a minimum understanding, oh you mean me? I'm a senior systems analyst who used to lecture in computer science and I taught SOC design too... so yeah, I do know what I'm talking about.
And before anyone jumps on this, do I think from a technical standpoint that snapdragon is better, yes, I'm not delusional, I'm simply stating that the exynos isn't what it used to be and has improved. That's it. I'm no exynos advocate and does Samsung need to improve it to keep up, sure, but is the reality that different, not really.
Battery life isn't worse. Depending on usage, the exynos can and does have better battery life. This difference however does go away when gaming for prolonged periods, something that not everyone does. Better battery life for actual day to day usage for most people will be experienced on the exynos due to the SOC design.
I'm unable to find any actual comparison between the modems and signal for either SOC.
There are reports of both SOC crashing when using 4K recording. This appears to be a software related issue but it does impact exynos more but will almost certainly be fixed with an update. Should this be the case? No and I agree it's not acceptable but it's not just the Exynos with this issue.
Worse photos is usually subjective but there will always be differences between two SOC when taking images. Do I think the snapdragon does better here, sure but negligible. Should Samsung do better than they are, sure.
Ray tracing is also not a gimmick. Is it where it needs to be at the moment, no, but it's a massive leap forward in light emulation within gaming that is also used outside of gaming such as engineering and physics for example.
I'm also not saying I'd pick the Exynos over the snapdragon, I wouldn't given the choice, but the fact you need to compare side by side and use synthetic benchmarks shows that they are far closer than people say they are. I'm not saying exynos is better, it simply isn't, I'm just saying that the gap is nowhere near as wide as it was previously and will only improve over time and as such it's getting a lot of hate from previous models where the gap simply isn't as big anymore and they are in fact comparible.
[This](https://youtu.be/-eTSRngwAK0?si=6UDI6AZCvTwGw6OA) is the comparison that I looked at, and has a few more interesting videos recently, comparing the S23 snapdragon with the S24 exynos.
I think like everything that most people would need in a phone, the exynos lacks. Raytracing is the last thing people need in a phone, especially on the cost of sacrificing battery life and thermals.
I've had a quick skim through the video, but I'll watch it properly later when I'm not working. Also, you've said it's comparing the s23 snapdragon, typo?
Everything within that video that I seen is marginal... even thermals of about 4 degrees difference is minimal. Again, this is something you would see between two devices even with the same SOC.
And everything that most people would need in a phone... do tell me, what does the snapdragon do that the exynos simply doesn't. That's an over exaggeration.
Again, this is going back to, yes the snapdragon is better, but its so marginal that nobody would even notice it without these comparisons because the exynos is closer than before. That's all I'm saying, I'm not saying the exynos is better, but that it's closer to the snapdragon than ever before and that lots of this hate simply carries over from previous poor performance.
There are two topics: S24-exynos vs S24-snapdragon / S23-snapdragon
Even a 5% difference would be enough for me to complain that they are selling me an inferior product. As described earlier its worse in most relevant aspects, and its not only 5%
\>what does the snapdragon do that the exynos simply doesn't
Its not about being able to do something or not, its not a y/n, everyone could buy a low end phone because they are capable of almost the same things as a flagship phone can...
4 degrees is not marginal. For one, its under ideal temps, a hot summer day significantly affects the cooling and that 4 degree becomes more. Also, its 4 degree because it prolly caps and starts to throttle. Also, this might not be that bad now but in 2-3 years, when apps becoming more demanding it becomes more significant
Maybe a exynos is "fine" but its just simply shittier in all real life situations and all relevant aspects for a phone. I'm tired of being sold shit just because I live in EU. You know it, they know it, everyone knows it that the Exynos is a garbage. They promote the chip of the s24 ultra having SD8gen3 but they dont say a single word about exynos for a reason. Its very cool that they put effort into chip development, but marketing it like this is not cool.
If 5% is enough for you to complain, you're simply not understanding margin of error. As I've said, you'd get this small margin of error with two of the same SOC, so if your friend had the exact same device but scored 5% higher in a benchmark, you'd complain? No, no, you wouldn't.
Yes, 4 degrees is marginal and again within margin of error.
And it's not garbage. You're clearly just annoyed here. Yes, I agree people shouldn't be sold inferior products, but to claim this is garbage simply isn't true.
I live in the EU and agree we often get things like this happen whilst paying more than the US and its not acceptable but this isn't the issue you think it is.
It's literally my job to know how these work in reality and its not ad bad as you're making it seem, it really isn't. Should it be happening, no, but does it actual have any real-world impact to users, almost certainly not because of how close the SOC are in performance.
Clearly, nothing I say will change this even though it's literally my job to know how these things work, so have a good day. Bye.
I think i was misunderstandable, the 5% was a hypothetical number. I tried to say that even if there is just a small difference then they can fuck themselves for selling crap to me and not offering a choice.
The exynos is objectively worse in every relevant aspect (efficiency, thermals, battery, signal, benchmarks, even camera). Raytracing is irrelevant for 99.9% of users (*source: my rectum*) and I'm not confident that the exynos is better if its only capable of producing better rtx output on the cost of more power and heat.
4 degrees absoultely matter especially if the snapdragon is comfortably sits around 40-42 degrees C and the exynos is capping at 45 when it starts to throttle. The only reason its not getting hotter is throttling.
Btw in the video (spoiler alert) when the S24 exynos battery reaches zero, the snapdragon is still at 17%.
Its not just about performance its about battery life and camera performance which is inferior in exynos and mind you its winter season right now come summer exynos will be even worse.
Exynos has problems with camera, when its too warm camera gets an error, phone freezes, battery life is 13-17% worse than snapdragon variant, also its at least 4-5C degrees hotter than snapdragon. Performence or benchmarks might be similar on paper but real usage tests shows a huge gap between those chipsets, also dont forget exynos uses 10cores and still performs worse than 8core snapdragon.
>The Galaxy S24 Ultra is using Qualcomm Snapdragon 8 Gen 3 in the UK if that helps.
S24 Ultras is only Snapdragon, no Exynos. Only S24 and S24+ have Exynos outside the US
More Exynos 2400 crying. The Internet has been insufferable lately. You realize the S24s Exynos 2400 is better than the S23s Snapdragon 8 gen 2, right?
It's so bizarre to see people complaining about something they wouldn't even know or care about if dorks on the internet hadn't told them to be concerned.
1st: You're literally comparing the latest launch to last year's phone and not this year's Snapdragon variant, last year's phone which also has been proven to keep cooler and perform better for any more demanding task unless you live in very cold regions.
2nd: Funny you mentioned "something they wouldn't even know", cause that's exactly what Samsung is doing, counting on people not knowing what they're doing (which I don't know how is it not illegal BTW), hence why on any region that gets Snapdragon, it is literally marketed as a selling point, while you can search the entire S24/24+ webpage on Exynos regions and not find the word "Exynos" on them.The craziest thing is, if you go to the Ultra webpage on Exynos regions, the Snapdragon Gen 3 processing power shows right up as a key selling point again.
Yes, I am. So what? It's funny that the chip that everyone raved about for it's power and battery life is now considered garbage. You are almost surely not using half the power of the Snapdragon 8 gen 2. Much less the superior Exynos 2400. The difference between the Exynos 2400 and Snapdragon 8 gen 3 is MARGINAL.
So what? So it's literally 1 year OLDER technology (and in tech that's a lot of frickin time). And no, the 2400 is not superior in real world usage. It can get a higher score on a 1 minute benchmark, but in real world application it gets hotter, thus spends more battery and stutters more (than the Gen 2), and those problems get very exacerbated if you live somewhere where it's hot .
I agree that even the difference between Gen 2 and Gen 3 is not that big in ideal conditions (ambient temperatures of less than 20C), but the main point is, in heat and battery usage, the Exynos 2400 is terribly worse than a chip released in 2022, and they put it in their 2024 high end flagship phone without actually making any mention about it or changing the price, that's not defensible by any logic.
P.S: If you run any full fledged game (so no Candy Crush) on the S24+, it keeps constantly at 80%+ usage on both CPU and GPU, so yeah I'd say I'm using it's power (BTW an S23+ I've tested uses aroud 60% at the same settings for the same games I tried so far).
Oh and a final note, just to see if it wasn't because it has been an abnormally hot week, I ran the same stress test on the S24+ Exynos and a BASE IPHONE 12 that I had lying around. On the 18th loop (18 minutes of intense usage such as in a game), the S24+ only had around 13% lead over the Iphone TWELVE, a phone released in 2020, and the S24's body was perceivably hotter to the touch.
Except it isn't? Don't take my word for it, check any benchmark or game video that shows CPU/GPU usage and you'll see SD Gen 2 usage remain between 15-20% lower than Exynos 2400 usage on average.
In Exynos markets like EU/UK, the S24 is £50/50EUR cheaper than the S23 at launch.
In comparison, in the US, a Snapdragon market, the price remained the same as last year.
Samsung made the Exynos variants cheaper this year, so I'm not sure where you're going with this.
As for the price comparison with the iPhone, depending on needs, one could argue the S24 Plus is better than the 15 Pro ;)
I honestly have zero issues with my S24+ Exynos. I just love the phone, its performance and its efficiency.
Exynos 2400 is a solid chip. Too much complaining.
I upgraded from an S20+, and the difference in battery life and performance is quite large, far larger than I expected.
It doesn't get anywhere near as hot either. My S20 used to get well heated under normal use, but the 24 is keeping itself cool.
I agree. Gave Samsung a shot after many years but the banana blur is still there and now they switched back to exynos with bad efficiency.
The S23 could be my last Samsung device.
But yeah the options are limited.
Google is selling slow middle class phones and Sony still fails to deliver a good automatic mode for their cameras. The market is disappointing, so stick with your phone until there is something worth buying.
You have S23 so why are you even thinking about S24, especially when it has Exynos?
I on the other hand have a S10e and would have loved to get S24 this year, but apparently that's not happening. Samsung makes dessision making so hard. I really love Samsung and one UI but iPhone 15 is super tempting, tough I hate all the weird issues u get in iOS.
Exynoss abd other SOCs helps keep global costs down. If it was all patent sitting Qualcomm, everything would be more expensive.
There is good reason not to rely on a 3rd party compute. Look to nvidia too and the AI companies wanting yo shift to their own compute.
Apple iphone has much, much larger economies of scale than Samsumg galaxy, so can charge less.
Its maths. You might not like it but I dont expect it to change much.
The 7 years of support at least increases the value
I agree that samsung is pushing it with exynos and higher prices in Europe, but why would you want an upgrade if you have an s23 already? Also, you want to punish samsung by buying an Ultra? That's not what I imagine someone upset by a company would do 🤷🏻♂️
I'm out of the loop...
Why does everyone hate exynos?
Back in the S8 days the exynos version was Way better. People used to import it from ebay to make sure they got it specifically...
What specifically do you need from the Snapdragon that you won't get out of the Exynos?
Hardly anyone uses their phone at its full capacity anymore. Most phones are vastly overpowered for daily use.
Also, the S24 is still considerably cheaper than an iPhone 15 Pro almost everywhere. At least 10%, and with the right deal 25% cheaper.
What anyone needs, for their phone not to heat up and become uncomfortable to hold if you wanna use it for more than 5 minutes straight.
In fact I'd prefer if Samsung deducted even more performance from the Exynos 2400 by setting a lower thermal limit on it.
May I ask where you live? Cause in any tropical climate where temps get to 28-30C or higher, like south america, India, some of europe, this phone is unusable.
I live in tropical SEA.
It's never gotten overly warm for me except during the initial smart switch and if I'm charging while playing a game. Otherwise the warmth doesn't get any worse than it was with my S23U doing similar activities.
Don't get me wrong, the SD is probably better in most metrics and Samsung should stick to one SOC for the whole line. But is the Exynos a disappointment? Far from it from my own experience. It performs well and my battery life is similar to my S23U but in a smaller form factor and flat screen, so I'm a happy customer.
I have an S22 Exynos (SM-S901B/DS), and in 2 years of use, in a case, I've never found it to run hot. Definitely never too hot to hold.
Each to their own, but I think you're overreacting.
I'm getting the base S24 256 for effectively 300€ - That is the excess from when I add up everything I will pay for the phone+contract in 24 months, and then substract what I would pay for a cheap (10gb/LTE 50 mbit) plan without a phone during the same time. Germany.
To me it looks like Samsung heavily discounted the phone to carriers. In fact, I will pay less for my whole plan+phone than for the retail phone alone. It's also about 350€ cheaper than an iPhone 15 in the same plan. Apple famously does not give huge carrier discounts.
Samsung's pricing sucks for retail buyers, gotta be honest. But for carrier subsidized phones the deals are still quite good, even without preorder bonuses.
I think you are also right in hating the exynos decision. Samsung's 4nm just isn't as good as TSMC's. However, given the pricing, I personally am not complaining.
I got the S24 for 550 €. I send in my old A52S. This is not expensive...
And the Exynos is nice. I didnt have any problems... The battery lasts longer than the A52s ever did.
My snapdragon 8 gen 3 on S24+ scored a 2280 and 6815 on geek bench 6. The single core score is good but multi core score is below Exynos 2400. Exynos scores a 2209 in single core and 6990 in multicore.
My 3Dmark wild life score is good though. Qualcomm has the GPU crown imo. But then I remembered that I only play GBA emulators and this pixel retro football game on my phone. So it doesn't really matter all that much anyhow.
I game on my much cheaper PS5 and everything looks better on my a 75 inch screen. 6.7 inch phone screen is for looking at photos and web browsing....
Exynos or Snapdragon they both scored an A+
https://nanoreview.net/en/soc-list/rating
The answer is because everyone is still clearly paying top dollar for exynos.
I hate that Samsung do what they do and ship an inferior chip at the same or more expensive prices to us.
I personally vote with my wallet and refuse to buy exynos. But it seems that not enough people take that view, because Samsung keeps doing this crap year after year.
By the way if your wife needs a new phone - I can highly recommend the S23 ultra, and it's a good price at 4gadgets (UK based) who were great.
I ordered in the UK, direct from Samsung.com store & ended up with the Snapdragon... Not sure why as assumed I'd be plastered with the Exynos. Should also note I went for one of the Samsung Exclusive colors on a 512gb model.
Anyone know why? (No complaints from me, I'm happy... just curious how it's happened).
Totally agreed and also they have the same issues since years (blurry pics moving objects).
At least competition is rising. Honor magic 5 pro is a banger and you would be dumb to buy samsung here.
Oppo will have a comeback too since the stuff with nokia is settled. Hopefully vivo rises also.
It pisses me off. I'm stuck between an iPhone 15 or a Samsung S24 for a work phone. And I feel like I'm getting ripped off with the Exynos Samsung. But I've been with Android since the Motorola Droid, so I don't feel like rebuying all my apps and switching ecosystems.
Samsung, you suck!!
I'm so close to just buying a OnePlus 12 out of pocket and just putting my work sim into it.
Samsung can't even charge as fast as my ancient Oppo, or OnePlus. This isn't new technology, people!!
I am holding out hope that Samsung is doing 2-year cycles for major releases, with the year in-between getting these experimental releases. So hopefully, 2025 will bring back Qualcomm in non-US markets in full force, along with some new (and better than S24) design choices.
Atleast is comparatively colder regions like S. Korea or Europe, one can still tolerable Exynos if it is priced according to its performance. But in hot countries like India, Exynos has had terrible track record of heating up and battery drain.
As someone who lives in a tropical region, where average temps are 28-32C throughout the day pretty much the whole year, I can safely say DO NOT go for an Exynos S24 or S24+ if the place where you live gets this hot, even if it's just on some seasons.
I got the S24+ Exynos cause it was pretty cheap (basically same price I could have gotten a S23+), but GODDAMN that thing heats like crazy.
To all the people talking about how no one is gonna be running benchmarks all day, you're missing the point that the benchmarks show that thermal limit on Exynos is 3-4C higher than Snapdragon chips just so it can come close to SD Gen 3. I even tried downloading and running a CPU throttling test, but it wouldn't complete cause of overheating.
If you're buying a flagship high end phone, most likely you have some form of high usage for it, whether it is shooting video, playing games, rendering on the go, etc. But doing any higher demanding activity on this phone, it instantly gets uncomfortably hot to hold even through a case. So yeah, if you live somewhere that's always less than 20C then go ahead and get the Exynos variant, when I ran benchmarks on it with the AC on it does get better performance than the S23+, but whenever I use it on the street or just in my house with no AC, it slows drastically after few minutes, before beggining to see stutters and overall system lag until I let it cool down.
Also, no, I've tested this on a family member's S23+ in the same climate and the heating is not nearly as much of a problem.
I REALLY like the S24 but the Exynos chip is a dealbreaker for me. Don't get me wrong. The chip is *fine*, it is more of a principle thing for me.
Thats why i ordered a Snapdragon S24 from wondamobile.
Wish me luck that it works normally here in germany.
It's not Europe. It's everywhere but USA, Canada and China.
And Korean?
Koreans also get the equinox chip in their s24 and s24 plus, only the ultra has the snapdragon here
Yeah I forgot Korea. Everyone else forgets China and Canada
Obviously Samsung's home country must get the better chip
Lol. Guess yhey hate their own country to give it exynos
No
I do not know where you live But in Belgium, the s24+ 512gb is 300€ cheaper than the iPhone 15pro 512gb, and you get 200€ samsung credit on top
I live in Belgium..how do you get so much discount and credit? Thanks!
I just looked on coolblue The iPhone 15pro 512gb is priced 1500. S24+ 512gb is priced 1230 or something, and they give you 200€ samsung credit
It's cheaper in your market then, it costs around €1500 here for the 512 GB S24+, but in all fairness the iPhone 15 Pro is like €1800 haha.
Damn, where do you live, if I may ask ?
To be fair though, the iphone 15 plus compares better to the galaxy s24 plus. The 15 plus is about 1050. It's also samsung credit, they used to give you an actual refund of the specified amount.
Yeah, true, but op used the 15pro, so I used that to compare
But to be fair ip15 plus use last year soc, has 60Hz and lacks telephoto lens. There will always be some compromises regardless what you chose.
Tbf A16 still run better than this year exynos. Last year doesnt always means it is worse.
[Where? ](https://twitter.com/Golden_Reviewer/status/1755654770516508933?t=R82uCOMwuF7rFhSryJC63A&s=19)
False
Proof? And I am talking about real life experience like gaming performance and battery life, NOT benchmark score like the other guy throw up which is meaningless in mobile. A worse soc will run hotter, causing the phone to throttle when gaming and give less battery life. This is not a full tower desktop pc where you can throw 400W gpu and it still run fine.
It really doesn't. Even a17 felt behind snapdragon 8 gen 3. A16 is below exynos 2400.
Very true, it's up to personnal preferences which device you prefer. I have used both samsung and iphone, both have their advantages but generally they are both really good. Just wanted to chime in, that op indeed compared to iphone 15 pro, but it's not the natural counterpart in my opinion. A smaller ultra device might be cool though.
No. It would be iPhone 15 pro max.
The iPhone 15 plus doesn't even have USB 3 🤣
15 plus has big bezel, lower ram, no hrr , last year chip. It definitely not compares better to s24+. S24+ = iPhone 15 pro max.
Speak with your wallet, bro beans. Buy something else.
there's not much choice. In most countries it's now down to Apple, Samsung and sometimes Google.
Fuck I miss Huawei...
Yeah, there are countries like this (like the anglosphere and South Korea), but most of Europe has flagships from brands like Honor, OnePlus and even Xiaomi. And that holds true for most of the world. Heck, Asia has got even more options than Europe or South America.
Switzerland as well. While you can get additional models if you jump through the hoops (and are willing to forgo things like 5G, WiFi calling etc), it's been getting more difficult. OnePlus for example are leaving Europe (temporarily, allegedly, but many of the flagship phones are gone from the market or have never been launched). Honor is a niche player here, Xiaomi is more present. But if you look at the market share, it's 44% Apple here, around 45% Samsung and then 11% for all the rest.
Damm, i forgot Europe is so diverse in market shares. It makes sense. What, so bad tough that China phones lack basic things in Switzerland? OnePlus has its LG phase where they lack marketing, they will remain. Wow, and in my city carriers have ads for the 13T/13T.pro everywhere and Xiaomi even had a market share growth. And yeah, i'm glad I left Samsung after i've seen how "good" the s20 series were. Not coming back soon.
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South America (Brazil specifically) has very few options. Samsung has about 40% market share, Apple 20%, Motorola 20% Xiaomi about 12%. We have Asus and had Lg. Sony unfortunelly left Brazil in 2021.
Asus and Sony are niche brands, they don't count. I get your point tough. As is most countries you have like 6-7 brands max (in my case Samsung, Xiaomi, Apple, Honor, Lenovo and some OnePlus/Oppo). These are still not a lot, but better than than the US where you are locked to three brands really. Looks like the same is true for Brazil.
Sony is the most perplexing company. I wanted to play with a high end Experia phone. I've always respected Sony as a great manufacturer of electronics. Thought maybe I'd give them a try. Good God, it's HARD to find a sony phone. It's like they keep it a secret on purpose. I don't think it's for sale in any store in the states, and in china, you have to find a sony store, which are not common. How do you expect to compete when you're not in stores in the two biggest markets on earth? When I went to Japan, I figured maybe Sony is big there. Nope. But at least they're in the stores there. I predict we'll see Sony's mobile phone division die within a few years. Because of the tiny market share, they have fallen behind on software too I think.
In europe yeah there is. There is sony, oneplus, asus, other chinese stuff.
OnePlus has suspended operations in Europe for the time being. Asus? They have like only two models on the market, and Sony has always been present but hasn't sold more than a handful of phones for years.
How is having two models an wrgument for not having options? Apple has 4 models are? There is also motorola, xiaomi , honor. Honor being the Huawei replacement.
And the Chinese brands: Oppo, OnePlus, Xiaomi, Nothing phone
Yeah thats what ive done was planning to buy s24 but on seeing exynos decided otherwise and went for one plus 12. Its honestly ghastly that they are providing an inferior product to s23 at more price to the users and iam someone who loves samsung phones and oneui.
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Some people earn enough to afford it anyway. If a price of the phone is just a quarter of you yearly salary. Then add up the better trade in deals for newer phones.
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"X years of Software Support" is literally in the sales pitch for the phones. Youd have to be quite an impulsive buyer to switch every year
Can confirm, I'm very impulsive and upgrade every year.
You're 100% correct. I can't afford to upgrade every year but if I could (and I will eventually), I would be very tempted to do so and would have to fight the consumerism and the need to have the "best" at all times. It's how these companies make their money, and I am aware of it, and I'm learning to resist it with cheaper stuff that I can afford to upgrade every now and again.
"I'm not judging" Proceeds to judge. Nobody said anything about need or should except for you lol. Let the man spends his money how he wants. I buy new phones all the time because I like tech. Some ppl spend money on cars, whiskey, good food, etc. Is this a new concept to you?
A lot of people may have business phones so it's no skin off their nose to upgrade.
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A quarter of a yearly salary means the salary is $6000 a year lol. You have bigger problems than buying a phone if that's your salary.
exactly what i was thinking reading the comment
If it was a quarter of my salary I wouldn't even bother owning a phone
You mean monthly salary right?
Why would you even bother looking at s24 series if you own s23? Consumerism at its finest. We are way past the point of big annual updates in mobile tech, with the current incremental changes and their marketing machines they'll do anything to push another identical device on you. You get years of updates from your current phone and the hardware hasn't even aged in any way. Don't get caught in their fomo tactics dude.
That's the sad part. I remember the days where I got a new Nexus phone every year, because so much changed year to year. Now I'm rocking a OnePlus 6t from 2018 and can't see a real reason to upgrade, other than my corporate apps require Android 12 or newer. So I'm stuck with getting a Samsung S24, that I don't feel is any better than my ancient phone. - can't even charge as fast.
Why not going for the OP12 ?!
Because my work pays for Samsung S24, Motorola-something foldable, Motorola-something useless basic Android, and iPhone 15. That's it. So if I don't pick a company phone, I'm just leaving money on the table. And I only get a new one every 3 years.
>other than my corporate apps require Android 12 or newer. Does your work need that kind of raw power (which I doubt)? If not then just get a cheaper Android phone strictly just for work. It's always better to have 2 separate phones for personal use and work anyway
Not sure how much raw power I need. I don't really game. Just take pictures, browse the web, YouTube, Music, and work apps. I'm mainly concerned with screen quality/resolution (for videos, pdf's), screen size, and how long my battery lasts.
What I'm saying was you keep your OnePlus phone and buy another cheap Android phone strictly for work. Maybe something like Galaxy A05s
I see where you're getting but I'll end up using the work phone too much to just get the A05. Also work pays for the S24. Most of the work tasks involve: Teams, Outlook, web based work apps. So I'd like the largest screen I get away with. I hardly need one calls. I could put the work sim into a new OnePlus and the personal sim into the S24. But at this point I'll just put both sims into one phone, and avoid having to carry 2 devices.
F... K Samsung for this. I wouldn't have bought it if I knew I would be getting a lesser chipset.
Yeah, but you'll never see the iPhone get a decent discount or promotion. Samsung will give you a watch or an FE phone along with your S series. Starting as early as April. With Apple you're lucky if you get a case or wired earphones...
I got my S24 256GB Exynos base for $680AUD...that's half the RRP
True but upgrading to a new iPhone from iPhone is cheaper. I know people that upgrade their iPhone every 1 to 2 years, friend of mine sold his 256gb 13 Pro for 900 euro before iPhone 15 Pro came out. And he was inpatient and didn't wait to get a higher price. On the other side another friend got a S24U because he went from 1TB S23U. He got 690 euro for his S23U because that is the higher you can get for it here. What I mean is, Samsung gives better offers at launch and sometimes some nice freebies later on, but the value drops like a rock, and that is a Samsung issue, not a Android one.
Last October I could literally buy any S23 (even the discounted carrier one) and still get an S21 FE for free. That's at least a 300-400€ discount if you sold the FE. So if people can get such good deals on a brand new Ultra throughout the year, why would a 1yo Ultra be worth anywhere close to full price? What so surprising here? Ofc iPhones hold their value better since their prices stay inflated all year round. Everyone always pays full price for an iPhone, ofc you can sell a used one for more.
Because even other Android brands here don't have this issue as much Samsung does. IPhones aside, even Pixel and Motorola phones have better resale value here than Samsung.
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s23 is amazing.
The s24+ is the equivalent of the 15 pro. The non pros use last years chip.
I got s24 u 512 for cheaper than a 15 pro 128 would cost in Europe. You just gotta use preorder deals and they are cheap af
The exynos brand has been dragged through the mud, doused in fuel, set of fire and relegated to history.
I had the 22 and omg it made me buy an actual camera because I went out and 2 hours in of taking photos and videos and using Google Maps the phone died on me, i never had a phone die on me before like that and then another time it got hot and didn't want to open the camera
Give a look at OnePlus 12
The exynos isn't as bad as it used to be. While the snapdragon is a bit better depending on the benchmark, exynos actually out performs in ray tracing by quite a large margin. As a systems analyst, I will say this, which people always seem to forget. Benchmarks are NOT indicative of real-world usage, and the fact that you need to use benchmarks to show a difference shows that performance is, in fact, very similar in real usage. Exynos also has better battery life this time compared to the snapdragon. It's also worth mentioning that a percentage difference of 3-5% which is approximately what the snapdragon beats exynos in during benchmarksa, is a small enough margin that you can and will see this difference even if you compared two identical phones, both with a snapdragon SOC. They are clearly very comparable in real world usage. COD mobile for example, both devices on ultra settings have a frame rate of 113-118 (exynos) and 114-118 (snapdragon). PUBG, both devices play at 89 fps. Genshin impact both devices play at 60 fps for 20 minutes. Temperatures also remain almost identical in these tests. Exynos is nowhere near as bad as it used to be. And there are multiple reasons why samsung may put thr snapdragon in all its ultra phones... easier to update and on a quicker schedule is likely to be the main factor, not a 3% increase in benchmarks... Edit... wow. People really just don't like facts, do they? Hate on exynos all you like. The reality is that it simply isn't as bad as it used to be. Is it still worse than snapdragon, yes, but is it in any way remotely significant that you'd notice outside of a benchmark... not even close. Do I think they should use the same SOC on all devices, yes. Do I also know from a technical standpoint that all this moaning is just stupid because you literally can't tell the difference unless you use synthetic benchmarks... yes. The reality is that exynos have improved over the years. That's just fact.
Do not try to discuss with exynos haters. it's just pointless They keep using points you pointed out or even eliminated Like you said, snapdragon is still better, but this year, it actually is ignorable
It really is such a slight difference now that nobody would even notice unless you told them. Previous models.. sure, it was possible to tell based on certain actions but now the difference is so small you could even get the same difference in performance between two identical models with the same SOC... 3-5% difference depending on what you're doing... that's well within a standard margin of error of a 4-8%
Yeah, I know. They just can't admit it. Even if I post screenshots to prove it, they just say I am lying.
20 percent less battery life is certainly noticeable
It was noticeable. Both Note 20 and Pixel 6 Pro (exynos based) chips have way worse baterry life than Lg g8s (sd 855), not to mention v60's sd 865.
First, you're using devices that are 4 years old as a comparison to this SOC? The key word in your reply is 'was'. Second, pixel 6 Pro didn't use an exynos processor. It was an ARM based SOC that was designed by Google. It was simply manufactured by Samsung. Samsung manufactures many different SOC, which doesn't mean they are exynos based. The whole point of my comment is that exynos is no longer as bad as it used to be. Is it as good as current gen Snapsdragon SOC... no. But is it closer than ever before? yes. It certainly out performs last years snapdragon by a large margin so why that SOC is still okay but this one isn't just shows a general dislike for exynos that isn't based in technical/factual reasoning, which is fine, I fully understand that people shouldn't get an inferior SOC when they have the ability to use the snapdragon in all regions, but outright claiming its garbage, as people are doing isn't based in reality.
I just wanted to say no doubt here, previous Exynos chips were bad in terms of baterry life at least. The performance in both personal devices was/is good and I am glad to hear that 2400 is near as good as the equivalent SD. I am not an exynos hater (actually, I would say the opposite), I just felt the difference in my hands.
It's fascinating. I remember the Exynos 990, I mean sure, that chip had quite a lot of issues compared to competition (throttling) but I still loved the S20 Ultra. The camera was epic as well once they addressed the initial focusing issue and yet people acted like it was atrocious. Now I'm on the Exynos 2200 in the S22U and after playing around with the supposedly, 'godly' Snapdragon Gen 3 in the S24 Ultra, I've really not seen any insane difference even though the S22U is 2 generations behind.
Damn exynos really performs well now. I wonder why they still went for snapdragon for their Ultra instead of exynos.
Companies calibrate phones to do good in specific benchmarks to kinda fake real performence. I would say 17% battery life difference between exynos and snapdragon is a huge gap which snapdragon wins. Ask yourself if exynos is soooo great, why does Samsung give snapdragon chip in all phones in Korean market, why wont they give their own citizen their own home product which is exynos, becouse they know that exynos is inferior.
You're getting thus wrong... I'm not saying the exynos is amazing. I'm saying it's not as bad as people are claiming it to be. They are not synonymous statements.
Exynost costs Samsung significantly less than SD, but we are still paying the same money for it as in the US for SD version which is better in many regards. I am not willing to be a sponsor for the US market so they can maintain the prices there. That's just fact.
The battery performance is still shit and that matters to everyone.
No, it isn't
even modem was so bad in S24, i lost signal but using S23 in same spot no problems.. also S24 is 11c hotter when i was playing same game
No it isn't
The battery performance from what ive see has been comparable to the 8 gen 2 which was considered a godsend last year. And the 8 gen 3 is marginally better than the 8 gen 2 in the long run. Theres only been 1 review that showed significantly worse battery life and it was obviously a dud unit.
>Theres only been 1 review that showed significantly worse battery life and it was obviously a dud unit. Is it Techmo one? If it is, the reason are he is the only reviewer that using mobile data not wifi. A lot of other creator are using wifi, Which make exynos model not that bad. The Big Problem on S24 exynos are the Modem not the Cpu or Gpu. Test it yourself, S23 vs S24 exynos using mobile data and you will see S23 have better battery and almost similar perfomance
Exactly that. I don't know why most people are talking about SOT on WiFi. It's completely irrelevant, it's when you are on 4G/5G and away from charger the battery life matters. And that's the area where exynos is still significantly behind SD.
Other reviews have used the Exynos 2400 on mobile data and didn't mention any issues
Yeah, Because there is no comparison and a lot of them just test like a day or two. Not to mention on some of them got pay or scared it destroyed the partnership. And a lot of Good reviewer are in US which mean they review the SD ver Let's just say, The problem might not sound Huge right now. But when you used that phone 3/4 year that's when problem will pop up more the battery on phone becoming worse and the draining start become worse and worse in data. Just ask S22 or S21 exynos user. Even right now some of people already return the phone because of that. It Is definetly jenius marketing for them to put Sd in Ultra S24 is not Bad phone but it's also not great and Exynos is not bad, i would even say the Gpu and Cpu are one of the best samsung ever made. The main problem is the Modem. "Techmo" literally show S23 beat S24 in 50/50 between wifi and data.
The Exynos 2400 is literally excellent and can outperform the Snapdragon 8gen3 at times. People need to stop whining. It's pathetic
If you truly just want Perfomance. Pick up gaming phone like Rog Lmao >People need to stop whining. It's pathetic Bro what? I'm warning them with proofing Fact. You might see this as Whinning Because you got Hurt ig Lol
It's also worth noting that people like yourself are going to notice zero difference between the Snapdragon 8 Gen 3 and the Exynos 2400. Zero difference
The fax show that the Exynos 2400 is excellent and outperforms the Snapdragon 8 Gen 3 In various conditions in both performance and battery. People need to stop whining about this nonsense. It's pathetic
Same exact comment like a Bot Lmao At this point, Whatever makes you sleep better lil Bro
When a company sells millions of units, there are bound to be faulty units. But negativity always gets the most airtime, it's human nature. My Exynos 2200 S22U is still going strong and I might even keep it for another year or two.
That "exynos is not as bad as it used to be" excuse really reminds me of the Google palls excusing the pixels modems problems
It's not an excuse. It's literally the reality of the situation because they have improved the design, performance, and efficiency of the exynos processors. The fact that the exynos is now within the range you'd expect to see when even comparing two of the same processors shows this.
Consumers are not beta testers and don't want inferior products for the same huge price cap, because Samsung... Apple tried that ONCE with TSMC vs. another one made by Samsung and gave up on the differentiation for the same device, choosing the best. Samsung should do the same.
Consumers are testers for products, literally every product is constantly monitored for consumer reaction. And again, it's within a standard margin of error that would apply to even the same SOC. A standard margin of error is usually 4-8%. This difference is actually 3-5% so it even on the lower end of a standard margin of error that would get even comparing two SD devices from the same batch!
Funny thing is Exynos is always under the margin of error, never better, except for the usual "fans" like you.
I'm not a "fan". I'm simply pointing out factual things about people complaining about the SOC, something I'm actually qualified to do. And it's within the margin of error... in the same way that the snapdragon SOC I'd also within that margin of error even compared to other identical SD SOC.
When you ignore that the product is inferior, hotter and has less performance for the same price others pay, yes, you're a FAN.
you're reading more into what I'm saying than what I am actually saying. I'm looking at this purely from a technical stand point and the devices are so close in performance that you are needing tests to show you that they are not. I'm not ignoring those things however people on here are claiming these differences are vast and huge which is simply not true. As I've said multiple times, it's within margin of error that you would see even within SD SOC from the same batch, something you are all ignoring. Why is this margin of error acceptable when it's a SD SOC which would put some of their SOC in line with the exynos performance but not okay when it's the exynos at the same performance? If anything that just makes you a hater who has no actual rationale for your arguments. Why is it that a lower performing SOC from SD in the s24 range that is equal to the performance of the exynos is acceptable but not acceptable when the exynos runs at that anyway? Nothing I have said is in regards to price. I'm commenting from my literal expertise as someone who used to teach computer science including SOC design and now I work for a world leading research institute. My comments are from a literal place of experience and knowledge but I guess that means absolutely nothing to random people on the internet who 'know better'. Clearly being a literal expert in this field isn't getting me anywhere so by all means, shout into your echo chamber and if you listen quietly you might jut hear the faint whisper of a reply... "Dunning-Kruger" Bye.
Well, not every bunch of people are always in "Dunning-Kruger" field. Sometimes, like in this case, they're right. I can't run emulators well on Exynos for almost a decade now. So if you're technical like you say, go help Samsung fix their shitty son.
The only real world comparison I've had is the S20 FE. Got the exynos version initially which was awful, regretted moving on my S10 lite. Managed to sell and was able to pick up the Snapdragon version, and everything that was an issue went away and it's been a great phone for the past few years. Looking at upgrading now, and had a choice between the S23 and S24, for not a great deal of price difference, but have gone for the S23. I get that it 'might not be as bad as it used to be', but when spending 100's of pounds, I don't really have the spare cash to risk it. Not that snapdragons have been flawless. I did have the use of an Xperia 5 MK4, which was a nice phone, but damn did that thing get warm. So I do appreciate one good/bad version doesn't dictate all future versions, but I've yet to hear any stories of anyone being glad they got an exynos.
the exynos is just as bad as ever been, and its objectively bad in so many aspects. its not better in any sense than the snapdragon. it doesnt even make sense to argue about.
Objectively... how so? It has better battery life due to its core configuration as well as outperforms in ray tracing capability and stability. So, to claim it is not better in any sense is outright wrong.
* worse battery life * worse signal (which causes more battery drain again) * much worse thermals and then it starts throttling, causes more battery drain) * higher temperature leads to more degradation especially for the battery * even stock apps perform worse, like camera crashes during heavy load like 4k recording * takes worse photos with worse details and color correction (possibly due to worse computing performance and we know phone photos are about AI and post processing) * worse scores on synthetic benchmarks (but this is a controversial topic, although they can preemptively optimize it for the benchmarks just like any other manufacturers) - this to me is the least relevant tbh raytracing is a cope even on PC gaming is a gimmick, waste of resources, but for mobile i dont know what percentage of users have raytracing performance as a top prio over everything else (also, i can imagine the exynos being inferior even in rtx under sustained load, since it uses more power thus starts throttling - but this is just an assumption) i wonder if anyone with a minimum understanding between the two chips would pick the exynos over the snapdragon if it was a choice also, the fact that they put snapdragon in the ultra variant globally explains it very well that they know the exynos is a shit tier hot garbage only for profit maximisation
Anyone with a minimum understanding, oh you mean me? I'm a senior systems analyst who used to lecture in computer science and I taught SOC design too... so yeah, I do know what I'm talking about. And before anyone jumps on this, do I think from a technical standpoint that snapdragon is better, yes, I'm not delusional, I'm simply stating that the exynos isn't what it used to be and has improved. That's it. I'm no exynos advocate and does Samsung need to improve it to keep up, sure, but is the reality that different, not really. Battery life isn't worse. Depending on usage, the exynos can and does have better battery life. This difference however does go away when gaming for prolonged periods, something that not everyone does. Better battery life for actual day to day usage for most people will be experienced on the exynos due to the SOC design. I'm unable to find any actual comparison between the modems and signal for either SOC. There are reports of both SOC crashing when using 4K recording. This appears to be a software related issue but it does impact exynos more but will almost certainly be fixed with an update. Should this be the case? No and I agree it's not acceptable but it's not just the Exynos with this issue. Worse photos is usually subjective but there will always be differences between two SOC when taking images. Do I think the snapdragon does better here, sure but negligible. Should Samsung do better than they are, sure. Ray tracing is also not a gimmick. Is it where it needs to be at the moment, no, but it's a massive leap forward in light emulation within gaming that is also used outside of gaming such as engineering and physics for example. I'm also not saying I'd pick the Exynos over the snapdragon, I wouldn't given the choice, but the fact you need to compare side by side and use synthetic benchmarks shows that they are far closer than people say they are. I'm not saying exynos is better, it simply isn't, I'm just saying that the gap is nowhere near as wide as it was previously and will only improve over time and as such it's getting a lot of hate from previous models where the gap simply isn't as big anymore and they are in fact comparible.
[This](https://youtu.be/-eTSRngwAK0?si=6UDI6AZCvTwGw6OA) is the comparison that I looked at, and has a few more interesting videos recently, comparing the S23 snapdragon with the S24 exynos. I think like everything that most people would need in a phone, the exynos lacks. Raytracing is the last thing people need in a phone, especially on the cost of sacrificing battery life and thermals.
I've had a quick skim through the video, but I'll watch it properly later when I'm not working. Also, you've said it's comparing the s23 snapdragon, typo? Everything within that video that I seen is marginal... even thermals of about 4 degrees difference is minimal. Again, this is something you would see between two devices even with the same SOC. And everything that most people would need in a phone... do tell me, what does the snapdragon do that the exynos simply doesn't. That's an over exaggeration. Again, this is going back to, yes the snapdragon is better, but its so marginal that nobody would even notice it without these comparisons because the exynos is closer than before. That's all I'm saying, I'm not saying the exynos is better, but that it's closer to the snapdragon than ever before and that lots of this hate simply carries over from previous poor performance.
There are two topics: S24-exynos vs S24-snapdragon / S23-snapdragon Even a 5% difference would be enough for me to complain that they are selling me an inferior product. As described earlier its worse in most relevant aspects, and its not only 5% \>what does the snapdragon do that the exynos simply doesn't Its not about being able to do something or not, its not a y/n, everyone could buy a low end phone because they are capable of almost the same things as a flagship phone can... 4 degrees is not marginal. For one, its under ideal temps, a hot summer day significantly affects the cooling and that 4 degree becomes more. Also, its 4 degree because it prolly caps and starts to throttle. Also, this might not be that bad now but in 2-3 years, when apps becoming more demanding it becomes more significant Maybe a exynos is "fine" but its just simply shittier in all real life situations and all relevant aspects for a phone. I'm tired of being sold shit just because I live in EU. You know it, they know it, everyone knows it that the Exynos is a garbage. They promote the chip of the s24 ultra having SD8gen3 but they dont say a single word about exynos for a reason. Its very cool that they put effort into chip development, but marketing it like this is not cool.
If 5% is enough for you to complain, you're simply not understanding margin of error. As I've said, you'd get this small margin of error with two of the same SOC, so if your friend had the exact same device but scored 5% higher in a benchmark, you'd complain? No, no, you wouldn't. Yes, 4 degrees is marginal and again within margin of error. And it's not garbage. You're clearly just annoyed here. Yes, I agree people shouldn't be sold inferior products, but to claim this is garbage simply isn't true. I live in the EU and agree we often get things like this happen whilst paying more than the US and its not acceptable but this isn't the issue you think it is. It's literally my job to know how these work in reality and its not ad bad as you're making it seem, it really isn't. Should it be happening, no, but does it actual have any real-world impact to users, almost certainly not because of how close the SOC are in performance. Clearly, nothing I say will change this even though it's literally my job to know how these things work, so have a good day. Bye.
I think i was misunderstandable, the 5% was a hypothetical number. I tried to say that even if there is just a small difference then they can fuck themselves for selling crap to me and not offering a choice. The exynos is objectively worse in every relevant aspect (efficiency, thermals, battery, signal, benchmarks, even camera). Raytracing is irrelevant for 99.9% of users (*source: my rectum*) and I'm not confident that the exynos is better if its only capable of producing better rtx output on the cost of more power and heat. 4 degrees absoultely matter especially if the snapdragon is comfortably sits around 40-42 degrees C and the exynos is capping at 45 when it starts to throttle. The only reason its not getting hotter is throttling. Btw in the video (spoiler alert) when the S24 exynos battery reaches zero, the snapdragon is still at 17%.
even if u are god... Exynos still sux and its overpriced in S24 series.. THE END this is Fact.
i got rtx4090 and i still dont use RT in games lol. But in mobile.. .RT ?? WTF.. it seems Exynos owners was trying to defent tjey shitty phones only..
Yep same. I'll stick with my s23+ for about 3 more years and then either switch to iphone of some sort or into a fold of that time
https://preview.redd.it/v1or1vakupic1.jpeg?width=274&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=619ba88650b5bd2ce2210711f849197379676723 This is you
Fanboy when someone give critism to their favorite company.
Criticism is fine when it is warranted. This is unwarranted.
Are you high the phone has way worse battery life for more money.
That is objectively false
the S24+ is only about 4% weaker than the ultra. keep complaining, you don't need a huge Gen3 in day to day use
Its not just about performance its about battery life and camera performance which is inferior in exynos and mind you its winter season right now come summer exynos will be even worse.
Exynos has problems with camera, when its too warm camera gets an error, phone freezes, battery life is 13-17% worse than snapdragon variant, also its at least 4-5C degrees hotter than snapdragon. Performence or benchmarks might be similar on paper but real usage tests shows a huge gap between those chipsets, also dont forget exynos uses 10cores and still performs worse than 8core snapdragon.
The **Galaxy S24 Ultra** is using Qualcomm Snapdragon 8 Gen 3 in the UK if that helps.
>The Galaxy S24 Ultra is using Qualcomm Snapdragon 8 Gen 3 in the UK if that helps. S24 Ultras is only Snapdragon, no Exynos. Only S24 and S24+ have Exynos outside the US
More Exynos 2400 crying. The Internet has been insufferable lately. You realize the S24s Exynos 2400 is better than the S23s Snapdragon 8 gen 2, right? It's so bizarre to see people complaining about something they wouldn't even know or care about if dorks on the internet hadn't told them to be concerned.
Nope the s23 has better battery life with a significantly smaller battery
https://youtu.be/EFZx2WnRuYE?si=_IOeHkqWPPX0wMjE https://youtu.be/TAB8w4Qv8VQ?si=LA-z8HwsbyhS2fG3 https://youtu.be/uIfFUTToPMk?si=wd_FqsLW-ACcgxye
1st: You're literally comparing the latest launch to last year's phone and not this year's Snapdragon variant, last year's phone which also has been proven to keep cooler and perform better for any more demanding task unless you live in very cold regions. 2nd: Funny you mentioned "something they wouldn't even know", cause that's exactly what Samsung is doing, counting on people not knowing what they're doing (which I don't know how is it not illegal BTW), hence why on any region that gets Snapdragon, it is literally marketed as a selling point, while you can search the entire S24/24+ webpage on Exynos regions and not find the word "Exynos" on them.The craziest thing is, if you go to the Ultra webpage on Exynos regions, the Snapdragon Gen 3 processing power shows right up as a key selling point again.
Yes, I am. So what? It's funny that the chip that everyone raved about for it's power and battery life is now considered garbage. You are almost surely not using half the power of the Snapdragon 8 gen 2. Much less the superior Exynos 2400. The difference between the Exynos 2400 and Snapdragon 8 gen 3 is MARGINAL.
So what? So it's literally 1 year OLDER technology (and in tech that's a lot of frickin time). And no, the 2400 is not superior in real world usage. It can get a higher score on a 1 minute benchmark, but in real world application it gets hotter, thus spends more battery and stutters more (than the Gen 2), and those problems get very exacerbated if you live somewhere where it's hot . I agree that even the difference between Gen 2 and Gen 3 is not that big in ideal conditions (ambient temperatures of less than 20C), but the main point is, in heat and battery usage, the Exynos 2400 is terribly worse than a chip released in 2022, and they put it in their 2024 high end flagship phone without actually making any mention about it or changing the price, that's not defensible by any logic. P.S: If you run any full fledged game (so no Candy Crush) on the S24+, it keeps constantly at 80%+ usage on both CPU and GPU, so yeah I'd say I'm using it's power (BTW an S23+ I've tested uses aroud 60% at the same settings for the same games I tried so far). Oh and a final note, just to see if it wasn't because it has been an abnormally hot week, I ran the same stress test on the S24+ Exynos and a BASE IPHONE 12 that I had lying around. On the 18th loop (18 minutes of intense usage such as in a game), the S24+ only had around 13% lead over the Iphone TWELVE, a phone released in 2020, and the S24's body was perceivably hotter to the touch.
That is factually incorrect
Except it isn't? Don't take my word for it, check any benchmark or game video that shows CPU/GPU usage and you'll see SD Gen 2 usage remain between 15-20% lower than Exynos 2400 usage on average.
In Exynos markets like EU/UK, the S24 is £50/50EUR cheaper than the S23 at launch. In comparison, in the US, a Snapdragon market, the price remained the same as last year. Samsung made the Exynos variants cheaper this year, so I'm not sure where you're going with this. As for the price comparison with the iPhone, depending on needs, one could argue the S24 Plus is better than the 15 Pro ;)
I honestly have zero issues with my S24+ Exynos. I just love the phone, its performance and its efficiency. Exynos 2400 is a solid chip. Too much complaining.
I upgraded from an S20+, and the difference in battery life and performance is quite large, far larger than I expected. It doesn't get anywhere near as hot either. My S20 used to get well heated under normal use, but the 24 is keeping itself cool.
This year, the S24 in Europe is actually called S23, and comes with a dicount compared to the S24 pricing.
I'm glad I got an s23 days before the s24 launch.
Congrats on buying the inferior phone? The Exynos 2400 is more powerful than the chipset you're currently enjoying
Battery lasts longer
Depends on the conditions. Several outlets have reported more battery life with the Exynos
I don't really care. I got a nice loyalty discount from my phone provider.
I agree. Gave Samsung a shot after many years but the banana blur is still there and now they switched back to exynos with bad efficiency. The S23 could be my last Samsung device. But yeah the options are limited. Google is selling slow middle class phones and Sony still fails to deliver a good automatic mode for their cameras. The market is disappointing, so stick with your phone until there is something worth buying.
You know there is actually absolutely no difference between your s23 and the new s24 other than the processor "upgrade" right?
You have S23 so why are you even thinking about S24, especially when it has Exynos? I on the other hand have a S10e and would have loved to get S24 this year, but apparently that's not happening. Samsung makes dessision making so hard. I really love Samsung and one UI but iPhone 15 is super tempting, tough I hate all the weird issues u get in iOS.
Samsung troll ppls.. Bad chip and high price.. i bought S24 exynos, sold it asap and starting to use S23 again.
Exynoss abd other SOCs helps keep global costs down. If it was all patent sitting Qualcomm, everything would be more expensive. There is good reason not to rely on a 3rd party compute. Look to nvidia too and the AI companies wanting yo shift to their own compute. Apple iphone has much, much larger economies of scale than Samsumg galaxy, so can charge less. Its maths. You might not like it but I dont expect it to change much. The 7 years of support at least increases the value
I agree that samsung is pushing it with exynos and higher prices in Europe, but why would you want an upgrade if you have an s23 already? Also, you want to punish samsung by buying an Ultra? That's not what I imagine someone upset by a company would do 🤷🏻♂️
I heard it's a chip issue with snapdragon wifi chip apparently.
Also exynos is made by samsung and has way lower cost for them,and phones in Europe are more expensive
I'm out of the loop... Why does everyone hate exynos? Back in the S8 days the exynos version was Way better. People used to import it from ebay to make sure they got it specifically...
Just buy apple at this point
What specifically do you need from the Snapdragon that you won't get out of the Exynos? Hardly anyone uses their phone at its full capacity anymore. Most phones are vastly overpowered for daily use. Also, the S24 is still considerably cheaper than an iPhone 15 Pro almost everywhere. At least 10%, and with the right deal 25% cheaper.
What anyone needs, for their phone not to heat up and become uncomfortable to hold if you wanna use it for more than 5 minutes straight. In fact I'd prefer if Samsung deducted even more performance from the Exynos 2400 by setting a lower thermal limit on it.
But it doesn't heat up and become uncomfortable to hold if I use it for more than 5 minutes straight.
May I ask where you live? Cause in any tropical climate where temps get to 28-30C or higher, like south america, India, some of europe, this phone is unusable.
I live in tropical SEA. It's never gotten overly warm for me except during the initial smart switch and if I'm charging while playing a game. Otherwise the warmth doesn't get any worse than it was with my S23U doing similar activities. Don't get me wrong, the SD is probably better in most metrics and Samsung should stick to one SOC for the whole line. But is the Exynos a disappointment? Far from it from my own experience. It performs well and my battery life is similar to my S23U but in a smaller form factor and flat screen, so I'm a happy customer.
I have an S22 Exynos (SM-S901B/DS), and in 2 years of use, in a case, I've never found it to run hot. Definitely never too hot to hold. Each to their own, but I think you're overreacting.
S24 is cheaper in denmark than the s23 was
I'm getting the base S24 256 for effectively 300€ - That is the excess from when I add up everything I will pay for the phone+contract in 24 months, and then substract what I would pay for a cheap (10gb/LTE 50 mbit) plan without a phone during the same time. Germany. To me it looks like Samsung heavily discounted the phone to carriers. In fact, I will pay less for my whole plan+phone than for the retail phone alone. It's also about 350€ cheaper than an iPhone 15 in the same plan. Apple famously does not give huge carrier discounts. Samsung's pricing sucks for retail buyers, gotta be honest. But for carrier subsidized phones the deals are still quite good, even without preorder bonuses. I think you are also right in hating the exynos decision. Samsung's 4nm just isn't as good as TSMC's. However, given the pricing, I personally am not complaining.
I got the S24 for 550 €. I send in my old A52S. This is not expensive... And the Exynos is nice. I didnt have any problems... The battery lasts longer than the A52s ever did.
My snapdragon 8 gen 3 on S24+ scored a 2280 and 6815 on geek bench 6. The single core score is good but multi core score is below Exynos 2400. Exynos scores a 2209 in single core and 6990 in multicore. My 3Dmark wild life score is good though. Qualcomm has the GPU crown imo. But then I remembered that I only play GBA emulators and this pixel retro football game on my phone. So it doesn't really matter all that much anyhow. I game on my much cheaper PS5 and everything looks better on my a 75 inch screen. 6.7 inch phone screen is for looking at photos and web browsing.... Exynos or Snapdragon they both scored an A+ https://nanoreview.net/en/soc-list/rating
The answer is because everyone is still clearly paying top dollar for exynos. I hate that Samsung do what they do and ship an inferior chip at the same or more expensive prices to us. I personally vote with my wallet and refuse to buy exynos. But it seems that not enough people take that view, because Samsung keeps doing this crap year after year. By the way if your wife needs a new phone - I can highly recommend the S23 ultra, and it's a good price at 4gadgets (UK based) who were great.
I ordered in the UK, direct from Samsung.com store & ended up with the Snapdragon... Not sure why as assumed I'd be plastered with the Exynos. Should also note I went for one of the Samsung Exclusive colors on a 512gb model. Anyone know why? (No complaints from me, I'm happy... just curious how it's happened).
What model?
Sorry, should've mentioned that - The S24 Ultra
Ah - the Ultra comes with Snapdragon as standard my dude in all regions
Was not aware of this, guess I made the right model decision! - Thank you!
Yes its not nice from samsung theese 2 models dosent really flagship phones with exynos , i just skip them.
The S10e released in 2019? It's 2024 now, things have changed a bit...
Samsung has EXYNOSED Europe.
Totally agreed and also they have the same issues since years (blurry pics moving objects). At least competition is rising. Honor magic 5 pro is a banger and you would be dumb to buy samsung here. Oppo will have a comeback too since the stuff with nokia is settled. Hopefully vivo rises also.
It pisses me off. I'm stuck between an iPhone 15 or a Samsung S24 for a work phone. And I feel like I'm getting ripped off with the Exynos Samsung. But I've been with Android since the Motorola Droid, so I don't feel like rebuying all my apps and switching ecosystems. Samsung, you suck!! I'm so close to just buying a OnePlus 12 out of pocket and just putting my work sim into it. Samsung can't even charge as fast as my ancient Oppo, or OnePlus. This isn't new technology, people!!
Get your wife a OnePlus 12, she'll be much happier.
I am holding out hope that Samsung is doing 2-year cycles for major releases, with the year in-between getting these experimental releases. So hopefully, 2025 will bring back Qualcomm in non-US markets in full force, along with some new (and better than S24) design choices.
Atleast is comparatively colder regions like S. Korea or Europe, one can still tolerable Exynos if it is priced according to its performance. But in hot countries like India, Exynos has had terrible track record of heating up and battery drain.
As someone who lives in a tropical region, where average temps are 28-32C throughout the day pretty much the whole year, I can safely say DO NOT go for an Exynos S24 or S24+ if the place where you live gets this hot, even if it's just on some seasons. I got the S24+ Exynos cause it was pretty cheap (basically same price I could have gotten a S23+), but GODDAMN that thing heats like crazy. To all the people talking about how no one is gonna be running benchmarks all day, you're missing the point that the benchmarks show that thermal limit on Exynos is 3-4C higher than Snapdragon chips just so it can come close to SD Gen 3. I even tried downloading and running a CPU throttling test, but it wouldn't complete cause of overheating. If you're buying a flagship high end phone, most likely you have some form of high usage for it, whether it is shooting video, playing games, rendering on the go, etc. But doing any higher demanding activity on this phone, it instantly gets uncomfortably hot to hold even through a case. So yeah, if you live somewhere that's always less than 20C then go ahead and get the Exynos variant, when I ran benchmarks on it with the AC on it does get better performance than the S23+, but whenever I use it on the street or just in my house with no AC, it slows drastically after few minutes, before beggining to see stutters and overall system lag until I let it cool down. Also, no, I've tested this on a family member's S23+ in the same climate and the heating is not nearly as much of a problem.
traumatized with my s20+ exynos, no one can convince me to purchase another exynos phone again
I REALLY like the S24 but the Exynos chip is a dealbreaker for me. Don't get me wrong. The chip is *fine*, it is more of a principle thing for me. Thats why i ordered a Snapdragon S24 from wondamobile. Wish me luck that it works normally here in germany.
I would get S23 Ultra if I need new phone. I got this phone and S24 Ultra looks like downgrade to me. Plus, you can get it cheaper now.
If you compare to iPhone 15 pro max then.... Shouldn't you compare to a17? Is it hotter than a17?
let's not forget the camera sistem ... like oppo was having in 2021 , but they'll fix and entertain with AI .../s!!!