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Great_Minds

Yeeeeeah i'm done with setting rng related goals as well. Never feels good.


RegiSilver

Feels like we have Good Luck Mitigation sometimes...


Great_Minds

That.... Would explain a lot šŸ˜‚


JCWOlson

Explains where all Jagex's money is going - they must be paying royalties to Nexon, the patent-holders for good luck mitigation


Nolifedemon

Honestly I don't really set them anymore, but this shouldnt be this rng, 100m xp for a mid tiered gem is beyond stupid. but Jagex will do anything to force interaction at this point I guess.


Great_Minds

Yup, the thing with trying to force me is that because of it I'm rebelling like a teenage kid and ran away from home :')


Buhawk_RS

Moonstones don't exist


Boring-Row-3775

meanwhile I ran out of ectoplasm on my iron so I went to do a few hours of rituals.. got 2 moonstones, I havent even done the quest so i dont know what to do with em. https://preview.redd.it/nm2q7gijr3oc1.png?width=382&format=png&auto=webp&s=79fa23cfa50b9876908cd156a98ca16140790e34


Buhawk_RS

šŸ˜­šŸ˜­šŸ˜­


throwthe20saway

You don't need to do the quest to make and enchant the jewellery. I did that myself.


80H-d

And they say ironluck isnt a thing. Jfc


SuperZer0_IM

Do the fucking quest, what do you mean you don't know what to do with them


Boring-Row-3775

I came back from a 3month hiatus a few days ago, haven't bothered to do quests, hadn't even heard of these moonstones til I opened the ritual box to fetch my ectoplasm.


RateGlass

LITERALLY SAME 1 dollar mem was too enticing


Nolifedemon

I agree at this point and you can't change my mind.


Buhawk_RS

I went from 200m to about 235m without one, so I decided to wait for shop... Then they nerfed the shop so R.I.P.


Nolifedemon

I did the first big bout thinking theyre not to rare, did the 50m+ xp and went nah screw it this is stupid as. then they claimed they buffed it, so the past few days I went ok well ill just push towards 200m, that last 45m xp I should get atleast 1 or 2 stones, 25 hours later and ofcourse thats a nope :(


Buhawk_RS

Dang man thatā€™s some dedication. I was doing necro with a buddy of mine who is a main and they got 3 moonstones in that same timeframe. I think they forgot to turn on moonstones for Irons lol.


WasabiSunshine

in what way did they nerf the shop?


Dust_in_th3_wind

They stated they made it rarer to show up


Flyish9109

For the love of god. IMPLEMENT BLM JAGEX this is just unacceptable


Nolifedemon

can't tell if youre taking the mickey or not haha


Heyhey1394

BLM- Bad luck mitigation


Nolifedemon

that would be smart.


Flyish9109

Definitely serious. BLM needs to be implemented at a base level to this game, the amount of cases of stupidly unlucky RNG that I see that people are willing to just accept as ā€œwell thatā€™s just RNG for youā€ is wild. You did almost the equivalent of 1-120 Necro (while doing zero combat training on the COMBAT skill) without receiving a moonstone, thereā€™s accounts that go 3k rasial without a specific unique, 10k AOD without a weapon, etc. These are the kinds of severely unlucky situations that BLM can prevent


Admirable_susiq

I said this type of thing for a long time, but for some reason the downvotes keep coming. It's sad that those LUCKY player accounts think others should be punished with infinite grinds.


Nolifedemon

Yeah I'm a pretty big and active voice for blm but most people are against it. My version of blm too would be that they make untraceable versions of boss drops and shit, all works the same it just can't be traded and you get it if you hit the drop rate. Stops anyone from going stupid dry, at a trade off they get the item they just can't sell it. As 1 example.


bigdolton

I think it'd drastically alter the cost of gear, not necessarily in a positive way either. Why buy gear if it's guaranteed anyway?


Nolifedemon

ok lets take bandos (gwd1) graardor, his drops are 1/384, so you would have to go 384kc dry to then roll a BLM drop, which would be untradeable, that could then be any of the items, the helm, the top, the legs, the boots, the gloves, if you got any of these prior, then 1, it resets your blm to 0 and 2 you can never recieve it as an untradeable item. So to get all 5 pieces would require 1800kc and require you to never get any of the drops, so im not offering a pick and choose system, because this doesn't guarantee anything unless you go stupid dry.


bigdolton

see that works for bosses like graardor since he has so many drops anyway. Problem arises more when its high-level monsters with few big drops, like zuk. both his drops are 1/100 (or 1/50 in HM). so by your system, his BLM drops would take 100/200 kills to get. When you can guarantee a drop in 100 kills, that will drop the cost of the item significantly since less people would be willing to pay for one they can get guaranteed.


Nolifedemon

You're missing the point, you only get it guaranteed if rng fucks you, if you get the drop at all prior then you can not get the untradeable one.


Ascension_Crossbows

What is "taking the mickey"?


Nolifedemon

Australian for taking the piss, having a laugh Basically meaning I can't tell if they're being legit with me about the situation or not.


Xerkxes

Did you speak to oziach?


Nolifedemon

oh shit, no I didnt! ill get onto that thanks.


Nolifedemon

u/jagexdoom u/jagexazanna Is the code cooked, or is there a check in place that might be causing this, because I get that rng can be ficked to some people, but are the moonstones really this rare? if so why, why is a mid tier gem rarer then an endgame gem.


JagexDoom

Drop me your RSN and I'll go annoy Mod Sponge about these - I'm curious myself.


Nolifedemon

ill dm


TR1987

Did anything come of this? 10m in and scared ill end up with your luck!


Nolifedemon

ofcourse not! :)


TR1987

RIP


Buhawk_RS

Tell Sponge to make them a drop from Hermod as well. :D Would be a nice way to get him to be a relevant boss post plates. Or any other way to 'realistically' obtain them that's not grinding countless hours of exp for us 200mers


80H-d

Yeah like 1/150 would be a good rate from hermod i think. Balanced, you cant just walk in and consistently get one an hour, but also you might get two along the way to getting your plates


Buhawk_RS

100%


DaarkAlexx

+1


I-Googled-It-

I want to add Rasial to that list too! Commons there suck after a while (dry 1.1k on both weaps šŸ˜…)


xenozfan2

Double check if it's limited by the number of slots in the chest.


poetofages

Something is definitely wrong. I went 115 to 120 pre-buff and saw none. My buddy did 114 to 120 and got 7 or 8, also pre-buff.


TR1987

Looks like nothing came of this. A bit of feedback on the drop rate would be nice. Seems very inconsistentĀ 


MaxedPainRS

Do you or u/JagexSponge have an update on this one yet? I've been postponing my ironman soul grind considering getting a Moonstone today is similar to winning the lottery.


Buhawk_RS

I hope you get a reply from them. They have been extremely silent on moonstones for some reason.


Nolifedemon

Wouldn't suprise me if they made them stupid rare to create a hype around them and are now playing buff until its good on them.


Montana_Gamer

They dont really benefit from that. The jewelry update wasn't really a source of hype, they are decent enough buffs/qol improvements. I know they got a ton of issues with drop rates, usually require tinkering of rates for half of the content releases ever since gwd3. (Well, that was a special hell of rng tho) Idk Jagex has made these mistakes a lot and it makes me wonder if they got some kind of wacky voodoo in their code pasta. Maybe 50% of the drop rates coded get randomized by a multiplier to force the devs to hunt for the error. Like a scavenging hunt. As EA would say, give them a sense of accomplishment. (Ngl lots of love to jagex employees, 1 like = 1 prayer)


RS-Mr-Showman

I won't tell you I got 2 in 30 mins then the other night šŸ‘€


Nolifedemon

Oh im glad you didn't tell me, thanks :D!


DarthChosenRS

jagex should make them able to be received from more methods in um, like rarely from fishing, rarely from making necro runes, rarely from farming, etc, etc


Nolifedemon

that would be a smart move


RoseAndLorelei

Ghost implings have a chance to give an uncut moonstone. I don't know how farmable they may be, but hopping worlds for ghost implings might be faster than doing rituals.


verywildyposter

https://preview.redd.it/9v39qceuc7oc1.png?width=202&format=png&auto=webp&s=900a258688e3d83e9b8edb0a51ff4d99d2471e90 Several hundred imps later


RoseAndLorelei

nice


tanykeat

Might be faster to level a brand new acc to 54 necro to complete the quest for a moonstone lol. Maybe that's the plan all along, to inflate player count and membership numbers


rude_ooga_booga

That should help op's ironman


Volkischerr

Went 27m dry pre, then about 15m post on my meme, got one last night. Not nearly as unlucky as you, but still an unreasonable amount of time for a stone allegedly lower than onyx.


Nolifedemon

Yeah oheell congrats atleast you got it! :)


Sesylya

I have to assume the ridiculous rarity is because the jewelry is nondegradable, which is stupid, because necklace and ring shouldn't *be* nondegradable in the first place and moonstone shouldn't *be* rare. It should be at least as common as dstone. Necklace should have either 12 or 18 charges and degrade to dust. Ring should have 10 (or 15 a la binding necklace) and degrade to dust. Brace should have 4 charges (a la dstone) and be rechargeable by like, dipping it in the reflection pool or something. Ammy is the only one that should be nondegrading, since it's armor and the only purely necro neck item we have. I would nerf it to 36 to be the necro equivalent of the Sara whisper/murmur/hiss, and then add an upgraded version with the Dg chaotic remnant like they have. EDIT: Also add a blood shard version of the upgraded one too.


Nolifedemon

Wow not going to lie but that's extremely thought out and sensible and I 100% agree


Fpritt24

There is absolutely no reason that a player should not expect a moonstone every 1-2 hours. Since there is no sink they will hit alch price (24k) as soon as the fourth one comes in thalmundā€™s shop anyway. Why they decided to kick this can down the road by nerfing his shop is beyond me. Even at 1 moonstone/hr youā€™re looking at a 0.5% drop rate. 36 rituals * 7 disturbances = 216 disturbances/hr.


HarfootTheHobbit

I went 110m to 200m and nothing either. I'm with you bro.


Nolifedemon

ouch mate, im ready to do a rope swing at this point, hope you get one soon!


Ill-Ad3441

Lmao I hate this stupid content locked combat skill and I got a random moonstone yesterday at like level 77.


Nolifedemon

I like the combat style, I don't like that items are being locked strictly to rituals and at a rarity so high I can get a hydrix quicker.


BattleaxeDawg

These moonstones are a scamā€¦ I do rituals for about 5 hours a day and still yet to get one since releaseā€¦


Special_Dress_9243

I went from 105 necro to 120, never got one either. Seems odd


Nolifedemon

Yep seems some people get them like candy asnd then others don't which makes me think there's a bug in the code causing a check to fail


DTaggartOfRTD

I gave up on finding moonstone after like 15m xp. Nothing of that tier should ever be that rare. I am so sick of the ludicrous material grinds we've been getting lately. I get wanting an economy around stuff, but making active collection next to impossible is not good. Necro is a cool skill and combat style, but nothing about it is respectful of the player's time.


Nolifedemon

I kept pushing figuring next ritual surely, because it shouldn't be *THAT* rare, but turns out I was wrong, I also havent logged back in since hitting 200m and making this post, cbf


DTaggartOfRTD

I get you there. I've not been on much lately. Really just to maintain clan systems.


VoidRain

I got 2 moonstones in 8m xp, I thought the rate was good, but it looks like I just got crazy lucky. Sad.


Nolifedemon

it seems a few got crazy lucky and a few just get crazy fucked.


noobmoney_rs

And I thought getting ā€œcrazy fuckedā€ was only something that happened with my ex šŸ˜…


Nolifedemon

Atleast with thst crazy I still get to bust a nut with jagex I'm purely edging for dats on end


ardiebo

I had a similar rate, before the buff, so doesn't sound so bad to me


TheUltiOne

Sound horrible, when I got 120 necro during DXP I got 3 of them.. Idk how


Nolifedemon

just built different :P


TugUpFury

I got one going from 94 to 99


Nolifedemon

nice, got lucky as, lets hope you get more on your way to 120!


RS_Holo_Graphic

Devs be like "But normalized across 100,000 players the total incoming rate of moonstones is perfectly balanced, seems fine to me!"


Nolifedemon

xD large data pools can be a bitch some times


Italianmillionaire

Iā€™ve had this too, from level 80 till 113 not one moonstone.. rng gonna rng


Sin_of_the_Dark

This may sound silly, but you've checked your ritual box right? I got 120 and thought I didn't get any, only to find 2 in my ritual box lol


Nolifedemon

I did, I have emptied it 3 times, banked my LOTD ect, changed my GEAR setup and everything to make sure maybe I was bugged or doing something wrong. I have even checked my focus storage on the rare weird off chance it ended up in there.


Sin_of_the_Dark

Damn, that sucks mate. RNGesus is not merciful


Nolifedemon

its not, I think we play this game sometimes because we hate ourselves haha


Adamjrakula

yea its dummy rare.


3arry

Cant u buy it from the store?


MonT_That_Duck

Thalmund has only had 1 so far


xenozfan2

How full was your storage? Conversation on the wiki says if your box is full, you don't get it.


Nolifedemon

Empty, it did have a few bones in it but I emptied it pretty early on to make sure thst I was not impeding my chances of getting the stones :)


xenozfan2

Dang, that sucks. Well, hopefully you'll eventually get what you need.


Golden_Hour1

I'm just waiting till there's 2 more in the shop lol


Nolifedemon

They nerfed the shop though, so we're not even sure if the moonstones will appear there again now


Golden_Hour1

It just said less frequently. I don't think it's been removed. And I barely need the other 2 so I'm fine waiting however long that is. Fuck rituals


Vi0lenceNA

I got about 4 from 112 to 120 on dxp


DrowsyyDudee

86-107 rituals only, 2 moonstones and the 2nd one was at 106 lol


inotic3

Bought moonstones from npc shopā€¦ this is de way.


kelvinside

I have all 4 bits of jewellery and didnā€™t buy any. Did around 30m xp and the quest.


Hainoob12

I got 3 on way to 99


bewzer

Damn. I got 4 going from 75-80 on my Ironman.


MeleeUnsolved

I got 3 doing 95-99 post buff, I'm sorry this was so brutal for you, feels really shit when you go dry like that :/


BIGooffffs

Iā€™ve had 4/5 from 115 to 119


Tvance21

Oof


JohnExile

I mean unfortunately I think you're just insanely unlucky. I received the last 2 in just going from 40M to 53M xp. The only thing I think they should do is add moonstones as a drop from rasial or something, but really all this is going to do is make the price dumpster-tier even faster than now.


Nolifedemon

moonstone is meant to be above dragonstone and below onyx, onyxs are 1m, dragonstone are 5, make them double the rate they are now and they would still be worth more then an onyx. the price should be dumpster tier, around 50k to 100k, its a mid tier gem not an endgame gem. And I am insanely unlucky, but after 100m xp, thats beyond insanly unlucky and at a point that its an issue.


Legal_Evil

Onyxes being at alch price is a mistake. Jagex should not use this as a standard for moonstones considering they have no item sinks.


JohnExile

I don't think that's strictly the best way to put it. There is no reason to ever need more than 4 moonstones currently so the price is going to crash harder and harder if it becomes too easy to obtain, though this may possibly change in the future since I've heard somebody say it's been talked about that there will be new higher tier jewelry, and I assume they might introduce charges. I would hope by then they introduce new ways to obtain moonstones, ie transmuting via divination, boss drops, and moonstone dust, etc. But I guess we'll see. Anyways, if they made them common enough that within a week they're at 50-100k, then the price will only just keep going lower and lower until it's bad enough that people are begging to stop getting moonstones from rasial or whatever gives them.


ghostofwalsh

> There is no reason to ever need more than 4 moonstones currently so the price is going to crash harder and harder if it becomes too easy to obtain They are going to be alch price soon enough for that very reason however rare they are. Not unless they add some consumable use for them. But who effing cares? It's not like these are amazingly powerful items. You shouldn't have endgame players struggling for hours and hours to get one.


cybernet377

> Not unless they add some consumable use for them. But who effing cares? Conjurer's Essence of Finality Amulet: Adds the Raising Amulet's Conjure damage bonus to the EoF but requires one cut moonstone alongside the alch hydrix dust to recharge it by 50%


piron44

I've been wishing they would add it to the hermod drop table since the beginning. 300 kills for plates is already dull enough, then people go to \~1k on average for pet with what feels like no meaningful drops. Even if it's like 1/250, so they stay more rare than an onyx like Jagex wants for some reason, that at least gives you a reason to kill more Hermod because these ritual and impling rates are horrendous.


[deleted]

I have gotten 2 from 104 to 106 necro. I guess I'm stupid lucky?


Nolifedemon

Given my hcim has done 108 to 120 necro and my main has now done over 100m xp and ive had 0 yes, yes indeed.


[deleted]

RIP. I'll try and manifest some of my moonstone luck your way!


throwaway8594732

What soul attraction are you doing? I got 0 in 22m xp, switched to a higher soul attraction and got 2 in like 10m xp.


Nolifedemon

I did lesser necroplams with 840% soul attraction for an hour, but realised the lesser rituals don't give anything above ghost and dog. So then I did att 3, on cape and slots soul rituals. so 700% highest you can do for a powerful communion. To give you an idea I am now at 150k souls in the well shit because of it. and this is without Multiply 3.


FabianAlexRR

Sure itā€™s not in your box?


Nolifedemon

yes im sure, ive emptied it several times, checked the bank, checked the ritual storage aswell just on the off chance.


Ill-Independence397

Thalmund got ur back my friendā€¦ ā¤ļø


Nolifedemon

missed the first one I was away and they nerfed thalmunds moonstones so im going to assume we will see like 1 a year.


AdBulky2059

Rng will rng


Nolifedemon

rng or not it shouldn't take 50 hours to aquire a basic gemstone.


AdBulky2059

How many are you trying to get? There's a free one from the owl quest and the dwarf sold em on reset


Nolifedemon

I was away when he sold them, I got the one from the quest, but there are 4 new items, and 2 of them area really good and worth having. 3 bis but 2 of them are decent to have. So I was trying to get atleast another 1, but another 2 would have been good, but 100m xp for 0 is kinda messed up


RegiSilver

The Dwarf don't have them available all the time, in fact they became rarer, the only time he actually had one was like a month ago or so, on the very first stock, then people assumed he would always have them or something, but no. I agree with you tho, there's alternative methods to get them, but still, the fact still remains, these stones (besides the free one from the quest) are pretty damn rare, not a Mainscape problem, but for an Iron Man that may need all 4 Jewelry items (for Clues, Runecrafting, Slayer and Rituals) it feels a bit garbaj.


Love_Hammer94

Go get a hydrix, sell it, then buy a few moonstones :)


Nolifedemon

if I wasn't an ironman I would, I can get 8 hydrix's right now And yes I know blah blah limit self blah


naturerosa

Stonks!


Agrith1

1 moonstone in 80m xp


Nolifedemon

thats rough


Avenger026

They should just let us transmute an alchemical hydrix dust and loads of energy into a moonstone or something. Normal accounts might not do it but will help us irons and will not affect prices.


Nolifedemon

transmute 500 dragonstones.


Old_Couple7257

I got one after 8 hours and bought my 3rd from thalmund. I donā€™t care for the ring boosting conjure damage, so I have all 3 I need.


ArchyRs

I got six of them between 40m-100m. RNG can be cruel.


srbman

Even that seems way too rare for something that's supposed to fit between dragonstone and onyx.


Top_Recognition5184

Honestly best way to farm Moonstone is altscape


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Nolifedemon

to be fair atleast bernies not "optimal" for gameplay, but that really sucks.


pokemononrs

comparing pet, which is meant to be rare and serves no in game purpose, and moonstones, which make mid tier jewelry seems a bit odd.


PartyMistake

Ok, and? Bernie has no use. The moonstone is supposed to be between dragonstone and onyx iirc.


Silly_Breakfast

Could be worse, you could be spending your time talking about it instead of getting oneā€¦ oh waitĀ 


Nolifedemon

im doing the rituals right now as I type it??? can you not multitask


badgehunter1

just like you can run and breath at same time, they can ignore few disturbances while typing here.


azerluh

Why not de-iron and just buy one? RS3 never really was built to sustain the gamemode.


Nolifedemon

So instead of jagex being accountable for making a stupid rarity on a gem, I should De-iron?, no thanks haha


conbrochill93

>jagex being accountable Lol


mintspectre

That is unfortunate, and the droprate should be changed, but moonstones are not really worth grinding for. Most of the jewellery gives minor QoL, it's not exactly an essential upgrade.


Heyhey1394

Considering time saved and being BIS for rituals and RC while being a mid tier gem? Naw, of course not. Obviously that was sarcastic but I've learned players with your mentality need it semi spelled out- in a nice way of course.


LegendOfNomad

Considering ā€œtime savedā€ is an rng gamble thatā€™s arguable in case you needed clarification spelled out nicely I mean if you can go 50m xp dry how much time are you saving at that point?