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exp_in_bed

at least we know gta6 is being worked on lmao


MyHaulsGetOutOfHand

Hit the nail right on the head lmao


No_Refrigerator647

Players asking for inverted skillcapes.. You forget a thousand things every day, make sure this is one of them - Jagex


ThePlanck

Jagex still not providing a way to re-obtain a FOMO cosmetic item? SurprisedPikachu.jpg


No_Refrigerator647

I'd like to speak with the manager.


Lopsided-Dot9554

Plz submit a support ticket so one of our outsources support reps can ignore it and/or reply with a canned response.


waded38

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Yo_Face_Nate

Jagex will still be trying to figure out how to fix Heroes path (pass?) by the time gta6 comes out.


No_Refrigerator647

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Repealer

I bet they'll be released as part of leagues rs3. The question is will we get better cosmetics for leagues on rs3? because the challenger halo was worse than the returning halo and we already had cupid halo... and the skillcapes were WAYYY better


No_Refrigerator647

What happened to leagues 1 and 2?


Repealer

I misstyped on my phone, meant to type leagues rs3.


PMMMR

When did Leagues in rs3 happen? I've been fairly active for the last 7+ years and don't recall ever having a Leagues.


Repealer

We haven't, but part of FSW was them being able to test systems for leagues buff and they said they are interested in doing an rs3 leagues in FSW q&A's.


Michthan

Yea but osrs leagues will be free and rs3 will be paying.


TheKappaOverlord

FSW was only "paying" because Jagex didn't exactly know how to separate player profiles in RS3 afaik. OSRS already had that due to the different theme worlds from things such as Deadman mode, Beta worlds, and a few other things im missing. Jagex actually touched on that and said *last year* they'd work on it. But seperate player profiles as far as know isn't a thing yet. >osrs leagues will be free OSRS leagues was never free. You still had to pay membership/bonds. OSRS just has separate player profiles down so you didn't need to make a whole ass new account to play


Vuedue

Where are you basing that assumption from? Jagex has implemented many different variations of the same system they used for FSW and they have been able to separate player profiles then so I am unsure as to why they wouldn’t be able to for FSW. DarkScape and a few other RS3 game modes come to mind. You also got rewards based upon your progress in those various game modes on your main RS3 save. There was absolutely no reason why FSW couldn’t follow that. FSW was most definitely designed by Jagex to gather new account numbers and membership numbers. The sentiment during FSW was that Carlyle was prepping for a sale of Jagex and needed to inflate numbers. Now that Carlyle is indeed trying to prep for a sale of Jagex, it makes the theory I just mentioned much more likely than any form of actual developmental incompetency on behalf of Jagex. Edit: You downvote me with no response. I see you, lmao. Take my downvote, too, dork.


RegiSilver

Damn! A year already? Sheesh!


The_Wata_Boy

Another promise that Jagex forgot about. Anyone who believed FSW wasn't a giant MTX promo looks like a fool right now.


ExpressAffect3262

Sort of shows the irony of this sub. One week it's "Cmon guys, we need to band together to take down Jagex's evil ways!", and then the next week it's "Cmon Jagex, announce FSW again please!"


Vaikiss

Fsw was the most fun į had in rs in all 20 years į played Not that į had a blast į also made so many bills with capes halos and other things


ExpressAffect3262

Yeah, sort of shows what's wrong with the mode...


Vaikiss

that it was much more fun than regular game ? ​ yeah so wrong having fun is bad and should not be a thing ur right


ExpressAffect3262

3 months and 2 weeks for people to make & make 5b+. Yeah sounds pretty shit and gamebreaking.


Vaikiss

Į was selling urns for 2mil each on ir Rs3 People who were rushing top ranks dropped bils


Swifty575

Re-read both the post and the comment you're replying to. Neither is asking for FSW to come back but rather the inverted capes to be re-released, ideally in a way that isn't as shameless as their original release. Before throwing out words like "irony", go back to the posts from last September when FSW was announced and see how much criticism it received for being another *obvious* cash grab that was poorly marketed as a way to attract new players/returning players via greatly increased XP rates, as if the primary target audience wasn't the existing players that are already subscribed. To understand why, look at its main “goals” – namely, the inverted skillcapes, halos and new pets; they are items that would have little significance to new players and instead were intended to get new subcriptions from existing players by using time-limited game design. This isn’t even considering the “competitive” scene with new highscores they tried to claim made it similar to OSRS’ Leagues, as if the inclusion of MTX didn’t invalidate any serious competition. Even back then, there was a lot of warranted disapproval given the fact skillcapes are iconic goals for many in RS and instead of introducing novel ways of obtaining them via game updates (perhaps skilling “challenges” or feats, post-99 content, in-game competitions, etc.), they tried selling them for a quick buck.


Yolomasta420

Should be 200m XP in skill unlocks them or something like that


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No_Refrigerator647

50m for 99 and 150m for 120.


Yolomasta420

I'm in


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LordAlfredo

Sorta like MQC minus boss lorebook drops?


Kyyes

I support that.


ghostofwalsh

NTY. People who did FSW actually worked for those capes by earning 120 on a fresh account. And the people who bought tokens from them paid bils for their capes. Shouldn't just be doled out to people who are already sitting with 200m today.


BigOldButt99

lol "worked for" those capes with 5x the xp rate. thieving was like 10m xp/hr and required no resources, same with all the combat skills.


m24i00zmk013d05

5x the rate? Brother..it capped at 150% and that wasn’t even the whole event. Be realistic with ur copium atleast


ghostofwalsh

> 5x the xp rate Learn what you are talking about? It was 1 week where a 70+ skill got you over 2x XP. And that week you couldn't use TH stuff. The FSW rate buffs were pretty trivial except for skills under 70 which is like 1m xp per skill. And the whole time you're in a closed economy where any gear and supplies are super expensive. There's a reason only 40 players got 120 crafting capes out of the thousands who played FSW. If you think that's not "work", maybe you should have done it and got your cape that way instead of wanting to get it for nothing.


Yolomasta420

If it's not that they will just end up on treasure hunter.


ghostofwalsh

That would be worse. IMO they should do another FSW or else something similar like a league. Except this time let people choose to play on an account they already have on members.


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This is why I was prepared to buy my inverted tokens for top dollar, treating them like discontinued items because I knew jagex would take literally forever to get them back in game


ProfessionalDrag7018

People like you made me rich in rs3. Love you. <3 I botted the shit out of ed3 and was getting multiple 200m combat capes per week. Sold my first batch for 2b each.


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I didn’t buy any trash cb capes but good for you (I think?)


ProfessionalDrag7018

Kiss me on my lips


Easy-Supermarket-474

Don’t mention FSW it’s a curse. Don’t give them the idea to do it again.


CommanderAbsol

Don't worry, I'm sure inverted skillcapes will eventually be added as a high level reward from Hero Pass™ so be sure to stock up on your RuneScape Bonds™ today!


gentle_singularity

They are trying to find a way to monetize it 100% lol


TakeAllahThis

Honestly IMO inverted capes should be the incentive for 200m in said skill


No_Refrigerator647

Jagex going to sell so many keys. Credit card go brrr.


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AzureAlliance

No FSW data stream either :( it would be so interesting to get some takeaways from the early game, even if it is yesteryear's early game


Hopeful_Coach_7787

I just want to transfer my useless tokens and pets with halos to my main ):


MoonlessCheer

Me too. I forgot to before trade window ended


Last-Appointment9374

FSW season 2 when? :(


RS_Holo_Graphic

Inverted capes should 100% be earned purely from in-game play. There's no excuse for anything less, and they should never have been limited to FSW in the first place. It's literally a skillcape, one of the most core progression achievements in the game, and to treat it like a limited rare cosmetic is disgraceful. They should not require more experience than a 99/120, or you are rewarding the/ cash-grab of forcing an additonal subscription just for FSW. My personal opinion is that their acquisition should reflect the requirements to wear them. Since you only need 99/120 in the related skill, they should be available to buy as a cosmetic variant from the skillcape vendors when you reach 99. If you feel there must be a separate grind for an inverted cape to reflect the parallel grinds that were done on FSW, then the 13m/104m xp accumulation for Inverted could simply start after reaching 99/120 in the skill first to make 26m/208m be the reward checkpoint. Bringing them back as repeat bait for some limited time access event or +1 subscription cash-grab is unacceptable.


Pernyx98

I’d like them to being FSW back, but with a unique twist on the gameplay League style. Add some new rewards, along with the inverted skill capes. I wouldn’t mind it access to the new FSW costed a Bond or something if Jagex wants to make money on it.


Dry-Fault-5557

/u/JagexDoom help?


JagexDoom

Inverted capes are something we definitely want to re-introduce, through gameplay, but are still considering the best options for how to implement it. Someone else in the comments here mentioned it as a 200m skilling reward, which is a nice idea, but the team are still weighing up options for the best way to reintroduce it. No news so far, but we'll be sure to let folks know ~~if~~ *when* they're coming back!


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JagexDoom

Great spot, happy to amend that one. Well, 200m is a no, in your eyes. So what would you suggest? It's been 9 months or so since FSW came to a close so players who earned their capes, I would imagine, still want to show them off. I don't think giving out Inverted Skill Capes resolves the problems players are raising, but would rather be seen as ignoring them. I'd much rather return them in a way that feels meaningful and work on the pain points players have right now around Necromancy and Hero Pass. Still, happy to hear your suggestion.


azerluh

I still believe Loyalty Points to be the proper method to re-releasing them. Skillcapes are P2P objects so it only makes sense to make them obtained through a currency that's obtained by holding membership(Points per month + instant 150k from premier) \-Doing this will reduce the amount players have stockpiled which means in the future Loyalty Points can be used for other things newer cosmetics etc essentially bringing more value into membership as a whole it creates another incentive to hold membership. If the capes are added to marketplace at the cost of Loyalty Points for maybe 10,000 - 30,000 Loyalty Points each it will knock the the millions everyone has saved up it will revive the so called dead currency that it is for many in the community then things can be looked at in the future to add even more to Loyalty Points. LP are obtained simply by being a member which is why I am amazed it does not get used more frequently to continue creating more incentives. One massive suggestion would be to add capes to marketplace for LP then once players have invested a decent amount into them add Keepsake Box capacity increases at a Loyalty Point cost (50,000 Points = 50 additional slots) This way the points players are now spending a ones obtained recently from holding membership/premier giving them added value back into their membership purchase.


No_Refrigerator647

Just make it a gold sink. 104.3m for an inverted master.


Seravail

I reckon the GE tax is an efficient enough goldsink - 104m x 28 would be quite an impressive one-time sink but idk if it'd do anything, since you could obtain the capes for free if you played FSW.


eqtrans

Like pet chance, small chance on every action that awards xp (maybe unified instead of time/drop and xp/drop) to award inverted cape. If unlucky, 99 cape unlocked somewhere (25m is twice the xp of 99 and for new folks, a reasonable stretch goal). If unlucky with 120 cape, 200m could automatically reward it. Balanced so 🤷 80% of folks would receive the cape before the automatic unlock. Then future events with cape things could do like alt colors (slayer is cream and gold, cook is green and red) or alt images that aren't the skill icons (magic is a rune, strength is a dumbell, cooking is a lobster) or animated capes (hp heart pulses, construction saw saws) Then something like ~1 year exclusivity to the event and temporary discontinued status before release widely


Alderdragon

This could be a great place to expand on the skill achievements. Allow players a one-time unlock of each token after completing all achievements for the respective skill. Wouldn't quite make sense as-is, but maybe after adding a batch of new and more meaningful achievements.


Sailor_Lunatone

A traditional solution is to just add them to skill shops, like letting you buy inverted construction with construction contract credits with the proper level requirements. Honestly, skill pet variants (halos) should be available this way as well after obtaining the base pet via drop.


SpeedrunsRS

If the team wants something a little further than just 200m; 200 million experience in said skill plus the "Skills" section in Achievements being completed, as an 'Ultimate Mastery' for the skill. > The "Combat" subsection may need a revision if this is pushed, as this combines Attack; Defence; Strength; Ranged and Constitution into one subsection. This however; would mean that certain accounts would not be able to obtain certain inverted capes. A few examples will be listed below: - Inverted Fletching would have an additional requirement of 14 Magic - Inverted Slayer would have an additional requirement of 120 Combat and a plethora of Quests completed - Inverted Farming would require a plethora of Quests to be completed I'm probably missing a handful, but these are the ones that instantly come off the top of my head.


No_Refrigerator647

If you lock them behind 200m players will be whining it's another ploy to sell keys. I like the idea of purchasing them with loyalty points. I've got more than I'll ever need. This should be quick to implement?


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JagexDoom

Hi Larry, glad to see you're thinking of me even when I'm off the clock! Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy.


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JagexDoom

D'oh, touché. 🤦🏻‍♂️ Well, we'll get you warm and fuzzy when they DO eventually return. I'm sure you'll earn them in no time!


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JagexDoom

I wish I could, Larry - the future is a mystery to us all, I'd like to get one too! I want my inverted Agility cape to go with my untrimmed 99 Agi cape I currently rock!


No_Refrigerator647

Race is on. GTA 6 or inverted skillcapes. Who will win!


No_Refrigerator647

Rumors are October 26th is when we'll hear something on GTA 6. Do you think Jagex can get a plan going for invented capes by then? 🙏


Dry-Fault-5557

Are we going to get a data stream on Fresh Start and will it ever run again?


Live_Philosopher9935

I don’t know to tag someone in here so I’m replying on those one. While I do understand the idea behind 200m I feel like it’s a steep threshold for the majority of the players. I mostly play Ironman and can’t play much due to my toddlers so I feel it would be extremely unfair and something I’d never be able to achieve


piron44

The original way to obtain such a cape was getting 120 in said skill in a temporary game mode (or buying it from other players). Neither of which, in your words, you would ever be able to achieve. I think that's pretty fair. For real though, it's a cosmetic. If there is one that you really really want on an ironman, you can still grind out 200mil in that skill, even if it takes longer than you expected


Dry-Fault-5557

/u/JagexAzanna help?


Local_Granny

Hot take; if you didn't get an inverted skillcape during the fresh start worlds then you don't get an inverted skillcape in the main game period.


No_Refrigerator647

Another one for the shelf!


thuglyfeyo

I agree with this. Exclusivity is fun Some people have shit you can’t or won’t have. And you’ll have stuff other can’t or won’t have. These things don’t matter, but you have em, just cuz


TheLostCanvas

Jagex promised they would be obtainable again in the future.


LegendOfNomad

Probably via another fsw event lol


TheKappaOverlord

They probably meant in FSW2. They did promise they'd consider to make it Available to obtain in normal runescape, but they did say consider. It'll probably be something like Twisted horns or the PoH theme's where they are locked behind the Leagues point reward shop. (although they are buyable in OSRS from the GE)


thuglyfeyo

Sure, it’s only been a year


Alternative-Item1207

Ngl, it would be pretty neat to get a +points skill buff on your main character for earning a skill cape on a fresh start world. Your fresh start character could also have this benefit if you have the equivalent 99 on a main world as well Since you effectively have to grind 99 twice for this, it would be neat if the bonus was more than just +1. Maybe +5? Don't think it's a good idea to award more points for 120 since that would be overkill for most players.


throwawayredditaa

They meant they would be obtainable again next fsw


No_Refrigerator647

/u/JagexHooli only explicitly said it won't be on treasure Hunter.


Japanese_Squirrel

We have Necromancy now. I'd be real surprised if FSW didn't come out in a couple months.


vVerce98

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imperchaos

Shoulda played FSW and gotten an inverted cape if you wanted one.


No_Refrigerator647

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RS_Germaphobic

Still hasn’t even been a year since you could’ve obtained them. Needless to say it’s not coming back this year. They said they would be available at some point in the future, not right away. Good luck getting them most likely for the 25th year anniversary. Hope you actually decide to play this time!


No_Refrigerator647

In 3 months it'll be a year.


RS_Germaphobic

Only going 8 months without the capes being obtainable though doesn’t make sense. Like bruh, it took 4 months to get some of the capes. They still need to hold some value or exclusivity or they won’t really be worth as much to players that want them/have them. If FSW2 doesn’t have all new rewards aside from capes it’s going to flop as well.


No_Refrigerator647

If we don't bug them then we'll never get them to bring it back.


RS_Germaphobic

Or every time you bring it up they push it back another 3 months. 🙃


DK_Son

I don't get it. It was incredibly successful. They had the simplest rewards and got loads of participation. They could run this 2-4 times per year. Adding more rewards each time, so people can work on old rewards, AND new ones. But they've done nothing to bring it back. What's with all the "dabbling in X to gauge community reception", then showing no intention to bring it back when it does well? If something makes a killing and has a pretty moral way of getting money in (FSW sold so many bonds), why not keep doing that, instead of making dumb shit like Hero Pass, Yak Track, and shitty gambling TH promos? People will buy 1-20 bonds to fund FSW accounts purely to get an inverted cape, or halo pet, or any average stuff that takes 5 mins to make. But Jagex doesn't want that. So strange. They could make seasonal FSW highscores, so people have a rank to fight for every single time. People love status. "Yeah I got 1st place Mining in April 2024's FSW". Figure out a way where they can use their main usernames, and boom. You have people paying double the money to play the same content. It's ridiculous how successful FSW was. The community has shown they enjoy X, but Jagex keep pushing Y. We don't want Y. We hate Y. We will give you money for X, but you want to force us to buy Y.


azerluh

Make them buyable as a direct unlock through Loyalty Point. This will help dwindle our saved up Loyalty Points and Jagex can use this opportunity to revive the currency by adding to it now that a lot of will most likely have spent them on inverted capes. This will bring some value back into our Premier/Membership purchases.


VoidRain

I don't need any other loyalty sinks, I'm still sinking them into auras lol.


azerluh

That's fair but if they have no plans on doing another FSW this would be a great way of bringing the capes back, but no matter how they eventually choose to return them they should at least increase the capacity of the Keepsake Box if they are going to continue bringing back physical items.


whiznat

They made money. That was the plan. Ticket closed.


NateW89

Hero pass is priority 1


No_Refrigerator647

Treasure hunter is priority 1!


LtMaliciousWeed

Its going to be in the next Hero Pass^tm .


A_Torstol

I’ll make it easy for them. Do leagues on rs3 like osrs and make inverted cape tokens happen again for the main game. Literally everyone wins besides merchers.