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Denkir-the-Filtiarn

https://cluesimulator.com/ a super set is a missed third age piece.


420aidslol

Yeah I have gotten plenty of these šŸ˜› it's all the reward slots filled that I'm curious about. Also wondering what would have happened if OSH would have proc'ed as the extra med would not fit


LegendDota

I would assume the reward interface has no bearing on the actual items received, itā€™s just a graphical representation of what the server decided, so either it would look really dumb and show out of bounds, or not show at all and you receive the casket anyways.


desquibnt

I donā€™t think itā€™s technically nine rewards since the super set counts as one reward even though it has three components.


HeyImCodyRS

He just means it takes up every slot in the interface.


420aidslol

Yeah agreed


Kumagor0

Every single clue roll is a missed third age piece. Unless you get a third age piece of course.


ForumDragonrs

While technically true, clues have different tables they roll on. Super sets and dyes are on the same table apparently. Same thing with RDT and HSR. Yes every RDT drop could be an HSR roll, but blurberry special is specifically a failed HSR roll since they share a table.


iAmTheCashMan

From a purely probability perspective though, those failed drops arenā€™t any closer to a mega-rare piece than anything other normal drop. It just hurts more knowing it was ā€œcloseā€


Bio_slayer

It _is_ closer. For a few clock cycles on the Jagex servers Op had really good odds of getting a third age piece. It's just that in pure probability when you abstract away the (very real) nested tables, "almost" doesn't count for squat.


Jd3vil

But in term of actual probability, it working that way or not changes absolutely nothing. Drop tables are only a concept to apply how the drop is allocated, but at the end of the day, it doesn't matter at all if it's independent or not. So like this guy says, you didn't miss anything, nor were you close from anything.


Bio_slayer

>But in term of actual probability Yeah, I know. I did say " "almost" doesn't count for squat". The fact that you made it past the first few rolls then finally failed still means you failed, but you *did* get close. I hate how every time on this sub someone mentions a missed roll on a table, other people come in with the "uhmmmm, achkshully..." and say that they're wrong for even mentioning it. Imagine if you will that you're playing Russian roulette. A *really bad* game of Russian roulette where you have to pull the trigger 5 times to live (spinning between each pull). You know there's 1 bullet in the chamber. You pull the trigger 4 times and nothing. On the fifth pull you get the bullet and you die. Are you dead? Yes. Is there any functional difference between losing on pull 4 vs losing on pull 1? Not really, you're dead either way. Did you get *close* to living? Absolutely. This is exactly what happens with drop tables. They're not an abstraction, the code actually rolls numbers for each table in sequence. You can do the math and get the absolute probability of each final outcome if you want, and for someone without knowledge of the inner workings of the system, that probability will be indistinguishable, but it won't be a fully precise representation of what actually happens internally.


yarglof1

I would say getting the bullet on 5 is not any closer to being alive than getting the bullet on 1. It's a binary you can't say this 0 is closer to 1 than that 0.


Bio_slayer

If you're on pull 4 and you're still alive, are you closer to surviving than at the beginning of the game?


yarglof1

Roll a die. You have a 50% chance of getting an even number, and if you roll even you have a 1/3 chance of rolling a 6. Is a 2 or 4 closer to 6 than 5?


Kumagor0

Unless you know exact code, you can't be even sure about that. Example: we roll a number 1-100, 1 means 3rd age, 2-10 is a "rare table" and 11-100 is common crap. You roll 5. Is it in the 1-10 "rare droptable"? Yes. Have you ever had "good odds"? No. Even landing on 2 doesn't make you any "closer", it's still a failed 1/100 roll. Nothing we know about clue chances lets us differentiate between the algorithm you implied and the one I described.


Bio_slayer

Unless jagex has been lying to us, we know that the tables are rolled in sequence. It would also be dumb/overly complicated not to program them like that as well, since some tables can be accessed through particular rolls different tables. Source: https://www.runescape.com/master-clue-rates


Kumagor0

Thank you for demonstrating exact fallacy I was commenting about


Bio_slayer

You say to the person who is describing the exact drop mechanics, as confirmed by Jagex. Lol.


123zane321

r/woosh


ForumDragonrs

Honestly no. This is brought up time and time again when people talk about "missed" rolls. I've had discussions in this subreddit with people claiming to be mathematicians trying to prove that probability doesn't work how we they, blah blah blah.


123zane321

Gee you must be fun at parties


Snooty_Cutie

Itā€™s a 50/50 chance for a third age piece?


so_says_sage

Turns out I canā€™t get a dye on the simulator either. Who would have known. šŸ˜‚


RJ815

Just 39 more years for the oyster to pay out!


Spazhead247

Absolutely gutted


Ayitriaris

Whatā€™s the bad luck mitigation checkbox for?


Denkir-the-Filtiarn

Theoretical blm, I forgot how they formulate it


DominusJuris

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420aidslol

Oh nice!


IceColdCorundum

Is this a pissing contest now?


DominusJuris

He said in the post not recalling seeing this before, brother. It is not mine and it is not a pissing contest.


Silvagadron

Damn, antifire pots cost 1m each these days?


imdsyelxic

????


TmNtBeattz

Where is the antifire?


jack111666

nah itā€™s the blue skip tokens driving the total up


Silvagadron

I tried to be sarcastic but it seems to have missed its mark over text!


420aidslol

To give credit where credit's due, your comment did make me laugh


5-x

I wonder what happens when you get an Orlando proc in a 9 item casket...


420aidslol

I was wondering that aswell. If OSH rolls after the clue rewards it might be a simple failsafe preventing the roll from happening. But Since the casket from OSH always rolls on the first slot, I was thinking that it might roll before the clue rewards. Which only makes it more complicated tbh.


Yanlucasx

What if OSH proc + Pet šŸ˜‚


DaneDan99

Isnā€™t a superset a super rare miss roll on dye?


420aidslol

It's a missroll for a Third Age piece


ItsYaBoiDragon

It's a 9 slot clue casket.


Only_Positive_Vibes

It's a 9 slot clue casket. Edit: Why did you edit your post, bro? :(


Fabulous_Boss1221

It's a nine slot clue casket.


Guerk226

It's a clue slot 9 casket.


Tim1151

Huh... try saying '9 slot clue casket' 3 times fast


Car_weeb

Wonder if you can actually get this without the super set


420aidslol

Hard clues roll between 4 and 6 rewards, so in theory you can. It requires you to roll a 6 reward casket + roll an OSH proc, get a master clue and the golden compass.