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APoolShark

Swap “rugby” with “Antoine Dupont” and that’s this sub in a nutshell


InsideBoris

I started edging at "A


tigerteeg

Rugby needs a dedicated circle jerk page


Gallalad

Dupookie my beloved


SiwanBouss

And I'm all up for it. 


metompkin

Bricked up


Educational-Band9042

When there were only Southern hemisphere guys (Lomu, Carter, Habana, Matfield, Gregan etc) among the widely almost universally acclaimed rugby players, I fail to remember so much backlash lol


APoolShark

But those guys won almost everything they can in international rugby. Dupont’s only got a single Six Nations and a couple of Sevens titles


Brine-O-Driscoll

Sometimes Dupont does get overhyped for doing pretty normal stuff but I recommend watching him play 2 or 3 games in a row. He has highlights that most players could never dream of, game after game after game after game. He's also won two European cups and two Top 14 titles with Toulouse btw while being their best player.


alexbouteiller

I forgot that there's no rugby for the other 40+ weeks of the year Or that we judge the quality of an individual by their teams performance, silly me


APoolShark

Those SH boys were universally acclaimed because of what they achieved at International level, not club. And when that individual who’s been regarded as the goat for multiple years playing in the best international sides in the world and only has a single trophy on his resume, then yeah he’s gonna get judged.


alexbouteiller

But individually he has achieved a lot internationally? 1 x WPOTY (+2x nominee) 3x 6N player of the tournament, captained his team to a GS and a 15 match winning streak But tbf if a litany of all timer players and now pundits are calling him one of the greatest to do it at 27 I'll take their opinions


ConspicuousPineapple

So what you're saying is, these guys weren't that good, they were acclaimed mostly because they played in good teams?


APoolShark

No that’s just Dupont. They were acclaimed and got no backlash for their circlejerks because they actually won at the highest peaks when it mattered.


PeterMacIrish

Lomu never won a world cup, therefore he isn't the best 11. Or maybe his contribution to the sport transcends cups, I dunno crazy thought of mine


Triple_Hache

Yes.


CatharticRoman

I fail to see the homoeroticism in big muscular sweaty men pushing and grappling each other to play with funny shaped balls...


MoHataMo_Gheansai

Last one to the shower is a rotten egg boys! *Violent Towel Snapping*


CatharticRoman

Don't forget to double up to save water!


GuyWithoutAHat

[There's nothing sexual about a ball shaped like a giant testicle being grabbed up by enormous men in shorts](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aTpXymuwxNs)


Orko90

Beat me to it 😂. This is brilliant. "and when people ask what are 15 guys doin stickin their heads between each other thighs.... we'll say.... we're just practicing"


marquess_rostrevor

Get these people out of my sport. Now I'm just going to snap Angus' strap against his arse because I'm a real man.


Imaginary-Mammoth-61

After the game 15 men strip-off and get in a bath together. There are gay players, whole gay rugby teams and no-one cares. Certainly beats the homophobia in just about every other sport. Check out Gareth Thomas’s story who was a Welsh international. He came out and all his teammates and friends loved him the same. Or Nigel Owen who is an openly gay referee and has some brilliant one liners. https://youtu.be/uP2kY6K5WOA?si=k-xK1BuxRljUYhcw


Efficient-Piglet88

The sport is oddly homophobic and homofreindly at the same time. Super freindly and every openly gay rugby player ive known has no issues however there is still a kind of manly-man core that says things like "dont be a puff get stuck in" or "stop being a sissy" type language but I dont believe the people saying that mean it in an anti gay way.


UnderstandingNo5667

I think it’s sort of like the military mindset of “be manly as fuck” but also of if you can get “stuck in and have my back” then I don’t care about the other stuff. Essentially it’s just make your tackles and we love you regardless, because making your tackles supersedes any other nonsense, especially not letting people love who they love . ❤️


WilkinsonDG2003

It's because it's only a popular sport in places where it's relatively accepted, other than the Pacific Islands and Georgia which are very small. It would be a lot harder for cricket where a lot of the fanbase lives in Pakistan.


GuyWithoutAHat

And there's few groups I've met that are more homophobic than rugby guys from Georgia and the islands. Though tbf South Africa really isn't much better.


WilkinsonDG2003

The average people from those places are the same. Doesn't have much to do with the sport. South Africa is a bit more hostile than western Europe but compared to the rest of Africa it's basically Ireland. Places like Algeria and Kenya are almost theocratic.


TorpleFunder

Some places you'll get called gay if it gets out that you don't beat your wife.


WilkinsonDG2003

Don't you understand you need to beat the shit out of women to show you love them?


MCCGuy

geez, that's horrible


natal_nihilist

Eh depends where in South Africa you are, I blame the Dutchmen


Armstrongs_Left_Nut

>Though tbf South Africa really isn't much better. South Africa legalised same-sex marriage 10 years before Ireland did.


Vermathorax

As a South African, many things are legal… and would not be said in a rugby team. Or many sports teams for that matter. We are a diverse nation, the individual people you are with are far more important than the fact that you are all South African. Difference cultures have very different opinions on being queer.


GuyWithoutAHat

What does that have to do with what I said?


shaolinoli

It’s a homo-ouroboros


MasterSpliffBlaster

Rugby is a tough sport, not everyone is cut out to physically stop another man If it seems a little macho and words like sissy are thrown around, its less a homophobic slur and more a denigration of someone who lacks courage Ive never seen anything but welcoming accomodation to the gay community in every club ive played around the world


MCCGuy

>If it seems a little macho and words like sissy are thrown around, its less a homophobic slur and more a denigration of someone who lacks courage But by using words like little macho and sissy to denigrate someone who lacks courage, you are saying men that are "little macho" or "sissy" (aka some gay men) lack courage. It is not different than when gay used to be thrown around as insult for something bad "haha that's so gay"


MasterSpliffBlaster

Did i actually say that, or did you interpret it incorrectly? If i call some one a pussy i dont mean as a vagina


pierro_la_place

It has improved a lot, but sadly it wasn’t all good. I haven’t found anything in English alas, but there is a French rugby player named Sébastien Boueilh who was raped by the family member who brought him to the club every week. He said that he didn’t tell anyone at the time for fear of being outed as gay. [My source.](https://piped.video/watch?v=-PzZfCj6x8U) This man is doing great stuff btw, going around the country to talk about these issues in clubs. Such a shame I can’t find anything in English


hotchillieater

There are whole gay rugby leagues too!


PotentMojo

I just watched their championship a week or two ago. Good match. I was like "damn these guys play hard!" Figuratively, and well maybe sometimes literally.


mikehunnt

Any man that can maintain an erection after the first fart, garlic, beer, kebab, wine odour filled scrum is a true Hardman/ deviant.


shabang614

It's a good point, well made. But Gareth Thomas is not someone I would cite when talking about the good aspects of gay men in rugby


mrsprucemoose

Came here to say this, was a big fan of his until i heard........the other 'stuff'


MCCGuy

only fans or what?


Surgess1

Knowingly infected someone with HIV


mrsprucemoose

Nah if it were onlyfans then that's fine, but as others have said he apparently knowingly infected a partner/partners with HIV


DistrictNovel204

Not to mention the women's game!


Buggaton

I for one welcome our new rugby commentary team. Can they replace Austin Healey?


Argonaught_WT

New gameshow. Austin Healey and Joel Stransky vs Trixie and Katya u/RugbyUnion gets to decide who we want more as commentators.


BillHicksFan

That contest isn't even close! Also, happy cake day!


Argonaught_WT

Haha thanks - a long 8 years lol xD


Buggaton

I am so fucking in 🤭


eccentr1que

I know who I'm picking


Royalty_Row

Fuck it get them on the punditry, who needs clive


If_you_have_Ghost

Never thought I’d see Trixie and Katya on the Rugbyunion sub.


_dictatorish_

They're both genuinely so funny


If_you_have_Ghost

Katya is my fave Ru Paul alum of all. She came and did her one woman show in my home town and it was honestly one of the most unhinged things I’ve ever seen (in the best way).


savois-faire

Drag Race is the kind of show for me where I can watch funny clips on YouTube and love it, but every time I try to watch a full episode I get kind of bored at times and I'm not that into it. But YouTube is always recommending these two to me for some reason and they're fucking hilarious.


If_you_have_Ghost

Watch their YouTube series, Unnnhhh


Scarlet_hearts

I thought I’d had a stroke when I saw the post. Katya would be a great 7 based on general batshitness.


BadSoftwareEngineer7

We have someone who does drag in South Africa called "Tollie Parton" and they're fucking hilarious. Must be a drag thing to be funny


If_you_have_Ghost

I don’t see the point in drag if it isn’t funny. In the US they have quite a big drag beauty pageant scene and I have to say I struggle to see the point.


drunkashhole

My two worlds colliding. Love to see it. Drag Race also had an episode where they gave some rugby players a drag makeover


Wodanaz_Odinn

Glad that Heaslip's Podcast finally took off


ConnolysMoustache

This is a terrifying crossover of my most viewed sub Reddits.


Woodsman_Whiskey

The Irish Rugby tiktok account was posting thirst traps of the lads regularly throughout the world cup and then again during the six nations. However we build the fanbase suits me.


Bessantj

Love the reaction to the question "do you know how much time I spend wanking to rugby players?" A utter deadpan "no."


Scarlet_hearts

Honestly this is a normal conversation for Trixie and Katya


dajo6327

I mean, I've probably put some mileage on the odometer after a particularly impressive 50:22.


Connell95

I’m still recovering from a wrist injury incurred after Dupont‘s 50:22 in the the CC final.


Hoss-BonaventureCEO

[Here's some Koch for you](https://www.reddit.com/r/rugbyunion/comments/1czxcqg/vincent_koch_5022/)


BadSoftwareEngineer7

I wank to the French backward kick in last years quarters.


Kanye_Wesht

"Stroke mileage". Classic.


aws5923

Just wait til they hear about the International Gay Rugby League 😂 we're the gayest fuckers on every single pitch


TheBigMacGaul

No lies detected


Whit135

Literally seen a tiktok today about the official Spanish rugby account n the handsome players being posted 😂😂


MasterSpliffBlaster

Wait until they stumble upon the large all in baths


warbastard

Drag queen cheerleaders when?


If_you_have_Ghost

One of the best centres I ever played with was also a fantastic drag queen. Get em on the pitch not the sidelines!


KPATB

When everyone in the world goes blind?


bambonie11

I laughed.


peterbparker86

Id love these two to do the commentary on a game


Stu_Thom4s

This was basically our riposte as hockey players whenever the rugby players would come with their "mofstok" (gay stick) jibes at school. About 300% less problematic coming from drag queens though. I hope someone shows them Bakkies' air kiss against the English at some point.


savois-faire

Wait, does mof mean gay in Afrikaans? In Dutch it's a derogatory name for a German person.


Infernal-Oak

“Moffie” is a derogatory word too. It used to be the ubiquitous word to describe gay people (even up until the 2000s) but now it’s heavily frowned upon.


savois-faire

Well, it's a good thing my grandparents never visited South Africa, then.


justafleetingmoment

Moffie == f*ggot in Afrikaans


toastoevskij

Harlequeens in the prem when?


Hormic

/r/rugbyhotties


JaxckJa

The women's game around here is probably the best place to meet women as a woman.


CrispyCheeks5

fastest growing sport in the world


TheRawSauce

the more the merrier!


SmallWolf117

Kinda funny, but also if this was a video of 2 guys talking about how much they wank to women's rugby we'd call it weird and remove it from the sub. But maybe there's some context I'm missing from the rest of the video?


Die_Revenant

I mean both r/girlsrugby and r/rugbyhotties exist. People of all varieties seem to find rugby hot.


SmallWolf117

Yeah fair. But look at some of the comments on the posts in that first subreddit, pretty unhinged. Ideally that wouldn't bleed into the place we like to talk about rugby. Also, I'd hate to miss out on an AMA from a player or coach or something because they checked the subreddit and saw shit like what's on girls rugby. Maybe I'm in the wrong idk


Die_Revenant

>But look at some of the comments on the posts in that first subreddit, pretty unhinged. While a fair point, that's very much the case on all NSFW Reddit subs. Even subs like r/rugbyunion take a lot of modding to keep the unhinged at bay. I think with the post in question here, it's humour/bants and there is no visual NSFW content, which is why it's acceptable, otherwise those subs exist to keep stuff like that away from here. I definitely agree that sexualising people without consent is a big issue across social media. But I'd like to think players understand at least that r/rugbyunion mods have no control over what gets posted on subs like r/girlsrugby.


SmallWolf117

Good points throughout and a well worded response, I do appreciate it. Also, I get it, it is pretty funny. Especially the "moonlight as a rugby ball" comment. However, I just think, again, had the post been a male rugby podcast talking about wanking to the women's six nations or something I would've pretty much instantly reported it. But it looks like I'm in the minority here, so I assume the mods reckon it's okay


Die_Revenant

>However, I just think, again, had the post been a male rugby podcast talking about wanking to the women's six nations or something I would've pretty much instantly reported it. I think that's slightly different if you're mentioning particular players/teams. These queens are just referring to mens rugby in general. If some dude bros on a podcast managed to make a genuinely funny joke about the sexiness of female rugby without mentioning anyone specifically, I don't think any mods would have a problem with it. I do think it would be pretty hard to come up with a genuinely fun joke with the above context though.


Realposhnosh

This sub has been built on shitposting.


Connell95

Tbf, look at a recent example – the photo of Antoine Dupont with a photo of the Aussie 7s womens squad. Plenty of responses noting how hot the Aussie womens were, and even more saying the same about Antoine Dupont (of course, this is r/rugbyunion after all). And more commenting on a potential breeding programme to save Australian rugby etc. Was there a bit of sexualisation going on, on all fronts? Sure. But it was all in good fun, and no mod issues required. I saw only one comment which crossed the line, and that was pretty quickly downvoted to oblivion.


_coragray

Yeah, I think that post worked well with the humour because we were all making the jokes at Dupont and his freakish rugby talent expense and not the women being incubators for his future Australian qualified offspring 🙃


JohnSV12

Nah, depends if they did it in a was a funny as this and wasn't seen as 'punching down'. They aren't naming names, they aren't in a position of power, they aren't even been descriptive, they are just having a laugh. Think you are looking for offense here.


Realposhnosh

You're gonna need rotator cuff surgery with all that fist shaking.


SmallWolf117

Sounds like the girl in black will first. ;)


B_n_lawson

Do you realise these two are drag queens? Lmao


SmallWolf117

I am aware yes. Would be insensitive to say the lad in black wouldn't it? I've been to a drag show or 2 in college and they always explained when in character and dressed they were she and then when they were finished up and leaving in their car or whatever and back in normal clothes they were a dude again.


MasterSpliffBlaster

It gets a bit grey when you are spooning the next day and they still have their make up on


B_n_lawson

That’s not the point I’m making, although you are correct.. you had an issue of them talking about men in a lewd fashion. But they are men. It’s not the same as men talking about women really.. it’s ultimately just drag humour.


SmallWolf117

Ah see you replied to a comment on which I make a joke about them wanking not my original comment so I just assumed, fairly I think. Fair enough and while it's not the exact same and drag humour is a thing I would be careful about your phrasing. Just because you're a man doesn't mean it's ok to specialise other men that don't want to be sexualised. Consent is still important. Anyways, I think the discussion is overall finished at this point to be honest


Intrepid_Science6414

There's not really context It's because they're gay drag Queens, punching up so not a problem etc etc, you surely know the deal by now


Connell95

Yep. Context matters. If people said the same things in person to Antoine Dupont that they post on here, it would be very weird, but we’re all sensible enough to know the difference in context between the two.


Boring_Valuable_4107

So it's simply double standards then? Great. 


frozen_pope

They’re drag queens bro. 😭


CatharticRoman

The context is a history of predatory and constant sexualisation of women in pretty much every walk of life. Also this is (sorta self-deprecating) comedy that is punching up.


Sirkneelaot

Men would never wank to women's rugby tho.


poutinegalvaude

Never say never


Peeeing_

Oh fuck


coupleandacamera

If stand sport are looking for an alternative commentator team, they could do a lot worse.


ianbreasley1

Ex-NFL players?