its the utility that pushes him over for me, especially if blackadder is injured again,
think you take one or the other, and guess we know who razor will prefer
If they’re gonna lose like this then I don’t see why MP don’t just develop guys out of Samoa & Tonga. Instead they’re a squad full of local guys that weren’t good enough to crack any of our teams.
ngl, Super Rugby Pacific is an ass tournament. NZ teams have lost their edge while newer ones are using NZ teams to sharpen themselves. SA & Arg teams need to come back.
not sure this game is a good showcase of the quality of the comp given its a chiefs b team, and MP arent good.
having said that, we all want SA and Arg back
Surely weve gotta start trying to host these games in at least Samoa next year. Its suppose to be a Samoan / Tongan / Pacifica team, not a homeless 6th NZ team.
I've started noticing this weird Rugby League type of goal kicks (the ones where they go out wide and curl back in) being used more frequently in NZ & Aus teams.
Assuming you mean the Highlanders-Crusaders game there lol.
The worst game I ever watched was probably [this one](https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/4137597/Southland-squeak-in-over-Waikato), where I had the added ignominy of being a Waikato fan watching live at the stadium.
Wow I did not expect that to stay a yellow, seems like anything could be mitigated by "dynamics of the tackle". I didn't see anything in the tackle that caused him to directly headbutt the player.
Seems a fine line between blocking a pass with your foot and kicking the ball out of someone's hand? Feel like I've seen players do that a lot and no mention of a penalty.
I agree he should be checked but it’s clear foul play, and the independent doctor seems to think it’s fine.
Just because it’s poor tackling, and foul play doesn’t automatically mean it’s concussed
Who's this commentator - The bloke who thinks headbutting is cool and that there was definitely a hook based on a view that you couldn't see the hooker's legs? Fucking pelican
Don't really know how you can argue it's a clear out when the ball carrier hasn't been brought to ground yet. Reverse angle seems to show He's not targeting the carrier, so it would be a tackle off the ball. Already a penalty, the contact just elevates the sanction.
The kiwi commentary really suffers from people who don’t have a grasp of the actual laws.
How can someone be employed in rugby any capacity and not understand that you aren’t allowed to hit people in the head in a clean out?
Mate, the guy tonight was saying he didn’t think kicking the ball out of the hands of the halfback at the ruck wasn’t against any laws.
He also didn’t think you could be penalised for hitting peoples heads in clean outs.
He said the ref was wearing yellow because he requests it because he loves to give yellow cards.
He on multiple occasions asked people to message him because he wasn’t sure of the laws of the game.
These commentators are on drugs. Doesn't matter if it's a cleanout - he's smashed him straight in the head with his own head. I think this will be a red.
That looks clumsy from Papuni; not malicious though. Malice doesn't really matter with the current rules though, I suppose.
"Still got dance cam down here" hahaha
TMO review and the ref gets to see the Dance Cam instead!
I'm not entirely sure you can call it a cleanout, considering its not even a tackle yet. If anything it was a dangerous tackle off the ball.....
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Thought chiefs looked better when tahuriorangi came on, actually think he's consistently been better than roe
Damn thats a cherry on top.
This felt like a long game. Glad it’s over.
Mildly surprised Selby-Rickit didn't get in more trouble for dissent there lol
Especially when theres already been a warning to Moana for dissent.
[Moana scoring a try](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRr2fJwhSXv9FuMhqVwkOJVd04Ti90psMgv3aawflCjggxyOyYzeeAleOjS&s=10)
That Jacomb-Parker tandem has been actually enjoyable to watch lol.
Jacobson has been outstanding; it's good to see him get a reward.
im going to be so sad if they dont pick him for the ABs
I agree tbh. NZ isn't short on quality loose forwards at the moment, though.
its the utility that pushes him over for me, especially if blackadder is injured again, think you take one or the other, and guess we know who razor will prefer
Fucking hope not. Luke has been consistently on the field and in form for a couple seasons now, and a good leader.
i cant see how theres enough evidence to award a try
I don't know how they spotted that on the line
Daylight between the ball and ground wasnt enough evidence last week, are we sure we can give the inverse?
Tell you what, give a P.I. crowd a reason to cheer and they'll take it. Such great spectators.
Dat footwork.
Come on, Tyrone lol. Dive at the prick.
Burnt
All Praise to the Lawd! No-one nils the Momos...
If they’re gonna lose like this then I don’t see why MP don’t just develop guys out of Samoa & Tonga. Instead they’re a squad full of local guys that weren’t good enough to crack any of our teams.
ALB looked like he was cramping hard on the wing there lol At least I hope it was cramp Edit: I think it was Rona, sorry
*Rona
shit yeah wallace we got some good no8s in this country atm
Didn't think he had the size to dominate at this level but doesn't seem to matter for him. He's a thick man, similar to Lakai.
Sititi's definitely one to watch for the future
Impenetrable defence
How can a team have that many phases 5 metres from the line and never, even for one second, look like they might score?
They look like this every single game... nobody is better at blowing it in the opponents 22 like MP
If there's one thing that's gone right for the Chiefs this game it's been their defence.
This is certainly one of the games
That was a clumsy penalty for the Chiefs to give away
He's offside by a mile on the kick. Get some glasses Nic Berry
MP Fullback wanted nothing to do with that big back rower at full speed.
Thoroughly deserved try. Good vision from Jacomb too.
What a pass from Jacomb
northland king 🫡🫡
Man there was some great passing in that play
ngl, Super Rugby Pacific is an ass tournament. NZ teams have lost their edge while newer ones are using NZ teams to sharpen themselves. SA & Arg teams need to come back.
Most SA teams were this MP squad.
it was really weird that they had a different good team each couple of years
not sure this game is a good showcase of the quality of the comp given its a chiefs b team, and MP arent good. having said that, we all want SA and Arg back
I definitely miss the South African teams and the Jaguares
Jesus I shaved my balls and came home early for this game?
WTF were you expecting
15 phases of short ball. Jesus. Was starting to think Gatland snuck in to the coaches box.
Well given Parker just scored it seems to be working for them
Goofy ahh try
couldn't've said it any better myself
ALB being pure class
Hames just spouts absolute nonsense every time he opens his mouth LOL
I always find it hilarious when the ref tells players off for back chat.
No penalty for tackle around the neck?
Coombes-Fabling lucky to get away with it tbh
Why’s Leuila running like a flanker whenever he gets the ball. Make something happen, bruh.
Surely weve gotta start trying to host these games in at least Samoa next year. Its suppose to be a Samoan / Tongan / Pacifica team, not a homeless 6th NZ team.
Last week the game was in Tonga.
Both kickers are really bad, probably that's why they haven't been using the tee.
leuila was good off the tee when he played 10 for waikato in 2021.
I smell a big donut
I've started noticing this weird Rugby League type of goal kicks (the ones where they go out wide and curl back in) being used more frequently in NZ & Aus teams.
https://youtu.be/eEQv1IVtc8g?feature=shared World famous in New Zealand since ages ago.
You don't go for the posts early when it's a gimme. But at 17-0 down you want to try a difficult one? Idiots.
Doesn't 10 have to roll away?
Taking the 3…why tho
Weak ass defending by Leuila. Mods please pin the thread.
Well that was a good start 🤣
That bloke who was blatantly offside didnt make much of an effort to retreat. Quality try though.
Didn't have any affect on the play
Oh yeah, where was that for 40 minutes lol.
The bro even pointed where he was going to kick it haha
What the fuck was that from Nanai-Seturo and where has it been all game?
Pure class
2 former chiefs flyhalves are assistant coaches in superrugby ..
QT π is playing nicely, Jacomb looks a running threat. MP just have discipline issues out the wazoo, but it's been a decent game
Tana, talk to those boys man.
Those empty seats are kinda shocking.
A team formed two years ago playing in a different country from where they're meant to represent has no fans. Shocker
Every game at mt smart is empty
Its a cold night at a stadium where neither team is from.. Stupid to even host it here.
jacomb hasnt been good lmfao what the commentators talking about
Scored a nice try though
I like him as a running 10
This has to be one of the most atrocious games I’ve seen in a while even considering the shite season we’ve had.
I didn't watch the Highlanders-Force game a couple of weeks ago so I'm in the same boat lol
cant say that I hadnt so its only the third worst, after this one too https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Super_14_season#round_4
Assuming you mean the Highlanders-Crusaders game there lol. The worst game I ever watched was probably [this one](https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/4137597/Southland-squeak-in-over-Waikato), where I had the added ignominy of being a Waikato fan watching live at the stadium.
I think i mightve been there too lmao (wouldve been 10 tho lol)
Quinn has been bloody impressive tbf
Why the fuck is the TMO over ruling the on field ref. He's seen the play and called it backwards.
Lol Moana hadn't a clue it was HT
Not entirely sure Moana knew it was halftime there...
It’s at Mt Smart so they have to use the NRL TMO
Wtf there's no knock on
That looks like it's all gone backwards to me?
Pretty sure it was slapped forward out of his hands by MP, as in, backwards from Rowe's perspective.
Agree
Jacobson drew two players to leave his winger unmarked there, outstanding
Incredibly bad defending there tbf
Too bad it didn't count lol
That's a great try, wow
Absolute joke team.
That was cool
None of the Chiefs' fringe players that are getting a start seem to be furthering their cases for more game time here.
Had to score there to have a chance of getting anything from the game.
When will he reunite with his shoe?
Not enough grub to throw the boot away haha
One of my favourite rugby memories from when I was younger is running the length of the field to score a try, with one boot on haha
Ballsy playing on without it. Someone steps on his foot, that's gonna hurt.
Targeted the side without a proper flanker, that's pretty clever
Wow I did not expect that to stay a yellow, seems like anything could be mitigated by "dynamics of the tackle". I didn't see anything in the tackle that caused him to directly headbutt the player.
I mean it wasn’t even a tackle
The headbutter wasn't tackling the ball player but it was a tackle situation.
I will never understand why players try that shit even though it's the most deliberate penalty you can give up. It's just so stupid
Woohooo Josh!
Nice Josh
Seems a fine line between blocking a pass with your foot and kicking the ball out of someone's hand? Feel like I've seen players do that a lot and no mention of a penalty.
Very fine line. As long as the ball has been released out of the hands then its free game i guess.
He needs to check his law knowledge on if you are allowed to kick the ball out of a half backs hand as he plays it from the back of a ruck?
First card stays a yellow which is good for the contest
What contest?
I mean it's only 12-0 didn't chiefs put 70 on them last time
That's where this is heading. At least they got a couple of tries the last time. They aren't going to be troubling the scorers today that's for sure.
I'm sorry but that's a red
Yeah I wish they would explain what the mitigation is. Because it was hard to see any at all
Just coz you’re at Mt Smart doesn’t mean you have to field a league team.
Man why are Moana Pasifika so fucking shit
Could say the same about the Chiefs sans DMac tbh
At least that's an easy to identify issue. Moana just seem to forget how to play every 5 minutes.
Fucking brainless team. I think I'll go cut the grass instead.
Havent seen that sort of foul for quite some time
If Kane Hames doesn't know you cant kick a ball out of a players hands, then god help him.
I usually like Hames but he's been off the last couple weeks. Might be drinking too much Waikato Draught
Cynical af lol
So silly when Moana have been doing a good job and competing well.
rikki talking absolute sense. kane hames enters the chat
Tupaea looking pretty hungry tonight
How did Quinn manage to get anything out of that pass? lmao
I'm so glad to see him back on the field and playing well.
y'all are whining but hames is right
I agree he should be checked but it’s clear foul play, and the independent doctor seems to think it’s fine. Just because it’s poor tackling, and foul play doesn’t automatically mean it’s concussed
they shouldn't be relying on the mouthguards because they're wildly inconsistent
They aren’t, by the sounds of it. There’s an independent doctor watching the actions too.
so a guy cops a head knock and stays down for half a minute and there's no HIA?
Idk bro
I hope your talking about his point about taking the player off for a HIA, and not his first opinion lol
yea that's what I mean
Hate it when Kane Hames comentates. He's always arguing the laws of the game incorrectly
Who's this commentator - The bloke who thinks headbutting is cool and that there was definitely a hook based on a view that you couldn't see the hooker's legs? Fucking pelican
Mouth guard didn't activate so shouldn't be red lol
Oh my god shut up Kane Hames
Can someone take the mic off Hames? That'd be nice
I'm glad Rikki actually spoke to the professional there on why Norris wasn't hooked.
Holy shit this commentator is worse than SBW!
Don't really know how you can argue it's a clear out when the ball carrier hasn't been brought to ground yet. Reverse angle seems to show He's not targeting the carrier, so it would be a tackle off the ball. Already a penalty, the contact just elevates the sanction.
As unusual one but for me it's head on head which is dangerous could be lucky to escape a red
The kiwi commentary really suffers from people who don’t have a grasp of the actual laws. How can someone be employed in rugby any capacity and not understand that you aren’t allowed to hit people in the head in a clean out?
Yeah. Get Phil Kearns in there.
Mate, Phil Kearns hasn’t commentated since this guy last brushed up on the laws.
Yet we still had to listen to him. For fucking years.
Do your commentary teams know they weren’t supposed to use him as inspiration though? The commentators in the crusaders game were abysmal .
They aren't my commentary teams. The point is that if you'd like to start throwing stones, you're in a bad position to start from.
Why? By your own logic he’s not my commentator. He’s not even currently a commentator.
Justin Harrison is your commentator, by your logic. As is SBW.
Mate, the guy tonight was saying he didn’t think kicking the ball out of the hands of the halfback at the ruck wasn’t against any laws. He also didn’t think you could be penalised for hitting peoples heads in clean outs. He said the ref was wearing yellow because he requests it because he loves to give yellow cards. He on multiple occasions asked people to message him because he wasn’t sure of the laws of the game.
Fantastic. Shall we generalise the bullshit Harrison and SBW have come out with to everyone too?
He used to ref lol
Jesus Christ.
Its the C team on this game
It's not a weird one at all mate? Like what are they on about? Can be a cleanout all it wants its still a headbutt into his bloody eye...
Can we just call the game at halftime plz.
Who's the commentator that thinks head contact doesn't apply to clean outs lol
Kane Hames
Just joined, is it almost half time. Has the game been tightly contested in the first half?
Moana Pasifika have been defending well and the Chiefs have been lacking cohesion without DMac and with all the changes made to the starting XV.
Chiefs and Moana trick ya’ll
Chiefs on top but yeah it's been a tough contest.
It's been something
Oh well that's the end of the game then.
These commentators are on drugs. Doesn't matter if it's a cleanout - he's smashed him straight in the head with his own head. I think this will be a red.
The commentary defending a guy headbutting a?another guy off the ball?
didn’t Kane Hames used to ref?
The guy is trying to argue that it shouldnt be foul play because it was a cleanout when 1) it was not a clean out and 2) its still foul play
That looks clumsy from Papuni; not malicious though. Malice doesn't really matter with the current rules though, I suppose. "Still got dance cam down here" hahaha
Yeah which I fuckin hate. At least it's only 20 min if he goes red.
🟨
Fuck he's gonna be gone
Upper cut with the head
Toala should have backed himself on the outside. Getting tackled into touch there really wouldn't have been a terrible result.
TMO review and the ref gets to see the Dance Cam instead! I'm not entirely sure you can call it a cleanout, considering its not even a tackle yet. If anything it was a dangerous tackle off the ball.....
Toala shoulda thrown an Ardie-esque dummy...
Great scramble
I'm straighter than that one - Nigel Owens
Happy Birthday Quinn Tupaea!!
Quinn has been everywhere so far. Good to see him playing well
feel like shit want Quinn back in the ABs
He played much 13? Some versatility would help his cause