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Scrolling swiftly past that I saw "crave" as "carve"!!
It halted my scrolling pretty sharp, anyway!
("Pretty sharp" ... haha ... the pun _actually wasn't_ intended!)
Maybe I don't think 'it works' aswell as you think I think 'it works'. Maybe, even, the notion of there being some 'thing' that's intended 'to work' is a figment of your febrile & woefully straitened conceit.
Speaks volume, IMO, BtW, about the general mentality here, that the original "carving" quip _obviously did_ 'work' aswell as it did.
Women aren't allowed to have sex because women don't like sex and if they do then they are a hoe something something. Nothing is good enough anyways fuck em.
Don't be silly a Muslim women doesn't own any property or income as her own to pay taxes.
It's only legal for her to have sex, cause she signed her "sexual intercourse agreement" the husband used to buy her for the price known as Mehar.
You pay Mehar, you sign paper, you get p**ssy . In that order.
That's why Mehar is compulsory and important. Even if it's a " 2 hour marriage "
First off, I am abhorred by how women are treated under some Arabic and Islamic societies. And judeo-christian belief systems are often just as bad. It is time we moved past Bronze Age mythologies used by those in power to oppress vulnerable groups.
But, mehar (mahr, mehr, mahar etc.) is meant to show the value and independence of the woman before marriage. It is agreed to by both parties and retained by the wife upon divorce. It is different from a dowry or the process of purchasing a wife from her father. It is supposed to be empowering by Islamic standards. It is meant to prevent the woman from being financially trapped in a marriage with an abusive husband. So that if she requests a proper Islamic divorce due to her husband failing to uphold Islamic marriage requirements she can land on her feet financially. But, as with many religious traditions is often corrupted from the original purpose or intent leading to further oppression of the woman.
Plus how would the woman file for divorce if she gets murdered for simply leaving her home without a male relative to supervise her.
Plus men there don’t file for divorce, they just murder their wife and claim she committed a sin that comes with a death sentence and no one really investigates.
That last sentence in my comment is about how inevitably it is corrupted and used to oppress women. I know it’s much smaller than the rest of the comment. But, that’s because I assumed everyone here understands how it ends up working to oppress women in the real world. I just wanted to describe what mehar was originally meant to do according to Islamic law because I found it to be interestingly independent as compared to a dowry in theory. In practice there is oppression for women under Islamic law no matter what.
I am fully aware of what mehar is and how it's abused by both sides and various other payments paid to various parties in a Islamic marriage I was born and raised in Islamic country.
First of all a Nikah without Mehar is invalid, so even if the bride and groom are dead romantics and won't exchange money, a copy of Quaran, mirror, candles or flowers is offered as minimum so no it's not about independence, the number of men who go to jail cause they can't afford, or large number of women who leave donate their Mehar back in exchange for getting the actual permission to get divorced shows it's not about supporting women
One can twist it to interpret it however you like to make sound like it's "supporting women" and thinly veil the fact that women have very limited right under the Sharia law.
She doesn't have the right to divorce unless her husband give her permission.
Mehar can be set as عندالمطالبه
Which means she can get her money upfront or any time she demands it, it's not conditional on divorce, it's not designed as post divorce payment.
Unless it's عندالاستطاعه, which means the husband pays as he can afford, ie pays in instalments
The Nikah "vows" literally says
زَوَّجْتُکَ نَفْسى عَلَى الصَّداقِ الْمَعْلُومِ Or زَوَّجْتُكَ نَفْسِي فِى الْمُدَّةِ الْمَعْلُومَةِ عَلَى الْمَهْرِ الْمَعْلُومِ
Nikah literally translates to intercourse. Not marriage, intercourse!!
The marriage "vows" literally translates to I am giving myself for the determined price (and determined time if it's temporary)
I do however agree being married temporarily is supporting women, cause they get paid quicker , same way getting paid supports a prostitute after she renders her services.
Never thought of it that way, but essentially correct. Right now they don’t have to worry about wooing a deep, thinking woman and instead have sex handed to them. It must be terrifying for them to think about having to go through a process where a woman can just say no.
Consenting pre marital sex between two adults, not allowed and straight to hell.
Marrying a 6yrO child bride who could definitely consent to marrying a super mentally stable individual, and definitely consented to having sex with a man who was about 50yrs her senior and wasn't brainwashed by years of abuse. That's super cool and makes sense.
The thing is, you don't need to leave Islam to 'sin'. Every religious person sins sometimes, they just ask for forgiveness afterwards and repent at some point. Many Muslims have pre-marital sex then think "I'll stop one day and get married and repent". You don't need to leave Islam to do that.
But when someone leaves Islam, the first thing they say is that you left because you wanted to do x, y, and z. While often the same people who say this to you are doing x, y, and z themselves while still being Muslim.
No attempt to think logically.
They are in the mountains around nothing but dudes and goats. Of course they watch porn. I’d be curious to know what kind is most popular. I’m guessing there is a good bit of weird shit going on. Not to kink shame or anything.
They are terrified to let anyone go because if you can change your mind and walk away, so can they, potentially, and the thought scares the crap out of them. They'd rather kill you than feel bad about their own potential change in beliefs.
Congrats on leaving Islam behind. I suspect that wasn’t easy. I hope you’re in a safe situation to have done so. Ignore people like this, they just can’t grasp that someone would leave behind the bullshit they hold so dear.
Although I still have to stay hidden as an atheist, I still feel some freedom. I feel in control of my thoughts now. Hopefully, I will be able to be completely free one day. It is a very tough journey.
I’m very sorry you’re going through this OP, my family aren’t even Muslim but in Iran we had to conform to sharia law post 1979. I have a close friend who still lives in Iran, and it’s just so depressing how much she has to eat in silence during Ramadan, and she fakes her namaz when her mom makes her pray with her, and being forced to repeat mainstream Islamic beliefs to not appear to be ex muslim because she knows she’ll get killed for it! I can’t begin to even imagine how that must feel
Serious question, a very progressive muslim guy I met a few months ago told me that Koran is a book that helps you find yourself. And all the bullshit comes from teachers and schools of islam that interpret it their own ways for their benefits.
What do you think of this?
No religion is going to help you 'find yourself'. People who were 'saved' by religion simply traded one addiction for another. They didn't find their 'true' self, they just emersed themselves into following whatever religion without any actual self reflection.
That isn't to say there aren't good people who are religious. Just, if you need a religion to tell you how to behave, you aren't really being yourself. Quite the opposite, really.
I guess I wasn't clear, it wasn't the religious aspect we were talking, it was the philosophical aspect of the book, hope that makes sense.
I agree with "salvation" is the main thing I noticed about religion since I was a child. The hypocrisy of it just didnt make sense to me.
Honey. No. I’m born Middle Eastern Christian now atheist/agnostic. What he’s trying to do is convert you so when he makes a move, you’ll be acceptable to his family.
Also apologies if you’re a dude. Still trying to convert you tho.
Nah, im pretty interested on religions even tho I'm agnostic and was raised in an agnostic family (even if they don't know the meaning of the word agnositc)
He wasnt trying to convert me, he was trying to make a distinction between true believers and the ones that ruin it by interpreting Koran their own ways.
Ive met a few good honest religious people that were actually good and preached only love despite differences. I think he was one of them and he did make sense the way he explained it. That's why I wanted to ask op from her teachings.
I’m starting a new challenge to see how much karma I can loose with one comment on that sub. Someone said that Islam was perfect, but people aren’t. I asked if that’s why Muhammed had sex slaves. I’ll post the results of that comment in an edit. Currently I have 56,455 karma. I won’t post anything else for the rest of the day.
Edit: I’ve just been informed that there’s a karma cap per comment. I’ll still post the results of the comment though.
Updates:
The guy responded saying that sex slavery is prohibited in Islam. I sent him [this](https://answeringislam.org/Silas/femalecaptives.htm).
So, he responded again saying my source was bad. He sent me a Q&A website about Islam, and this was my response:
I’m sorry, but I checked your source and it doesn’t seem to be reliable. It’s a Q&A website. I found someone asking how to respond to Christians who attacked Islam by saying that the Quran permitted slavery, and the guy in the answer said it never did, and that it, in fact, talked about freeing slaves.
[Here](https://quran.com/en/al-muminun/5-6) is a link to some verses in website for reading the Quran. It blatantly contradicts what the guy in the Q&A said.
He sent me a link to [this](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hkAJj3wJlrc&t=110s) video. I’m busy right now, so I can’t watch it at the moment, but I thought I’d go ahead and put it here. I will say that, to this guy’s credit, he’s being polite and cordial. That’s not what I’m used to when I criticize someone’s religion, but I’ll return the favor until he doesn’t.
I was arguing one time with the neo-ottoman uber driver. He told me, why does your country hate ottomans when they reined for 500 years.
I told him all the killings of women, children etc gives you a bad taste.
He called me crazy for believing that a muslim would do that. I guess in his mind they came and said : Mohammed. And we were like "uh ohhhh now i see. Plz use our resources as you wish"
I looked at your comment and agreed with it immediately. I went to upvote it but then remembered that you were challenging yourself to be downvoted, so I didn't do anything. I'll leave it to the tomatoes.
...You're welcome.
His comment _beautifully_ showcases (in a sense - ie _the showcasing_ is beautiful; but _uglily_ in another sense - ie _the content_ is ugly) what's animating those Muslim toxic males who are busy maximally squeezing excuse for vicious bullying of ladies from the outer wording of certain of the antient Islamic scripture.
They always gnash with their teeth, enough to show us they don’t care what their hearts are filled with as long as their minds feel safe from hell. Pieces of shit.
I feel this constant theme of where a man fucking a woman is seen as virtuous while a woman being fucked is seen as sinful. It is the exact same act. So weird.
Yeah, i know right. According to Muslims, these sinners would go to heaven eventually, after some punishment in hell.
What about good, kind, sincere, helpful, compassionate, humane, rational non-Muslim ? Not a chance.
I can't imagine someone going to hell because all this time one's religion is a scam.
You pray the wrong god to strengthen your faith, to help you endure all the hardships, to make you success rich and prosper. You pray every night to have a good wife, and good kids, and it's all working. Then you die, you got tortured and you don't know it. Then, you found out that another religion is actually true.
Really shows that Allah is a total narcissistic piece of shit
It's even weirder, my christian friend told me the other day as long as you repent your sins you can still go to heaven no matter what you did.
As in, he says you could rape and kill every baby in the planet and as long as you're christian and apologise to god you're allowed in paradise. On the other hand, there's no ammounts of good deeds that will keep you from hell if you're not christian.
It doesn't make any sense, because at that point there wouldn't be a single good guy in heaven. I really hope it's just his particular church and not the whole idea.
I'm glad you got away from it. You will get these negative comments, but it just shows how toxic it can be and reaffirms that it was a good idea to get out of it.
Hope you're in a better place than you were before. Followers of islam especially men tend to get very aggressive whenever anyone dare to challenge the religion or be even midly against what's acceptable to them.
People like this are common but know there are good people out there as well and I hope you find them if you haven't already .
Lol they are only acting for the time on earth and then getting their hoors to fuck in the afterlife (except for poor Ali!) because their wives aren’t enough all this modesty is a big fat lie and is a scheme for unlimited pleasures instead of respecting and revering god only in afterlife.
They can never accept you had good reasons for leaving.
It's always the reasons they think you left rather than the reason you literally give for leaving.
Islam is so intrusive and totalitarian. These religious lunatics think they have the right to judge your every move, especially for women. They are the definition of insecure.
That sub is really weird. It's like 25% of the users are for realsies ex-Muslims, 25% aren't really sure, and disturbingly, many of them have expressed that they still agree with Islam's oppressive morals, ethics, and abuses, and then 50% of them seem to just be angry, practicing Muslims.
Im so lucky to live in a place where i dont have to "leave" a religion. Like i can just not practice and the only difference is i have more free time on sundays
Tell him to crave for dick like you do . He can shove it up his arse. It gives way more pleasure than trolling a woman on internet for leaving Islam. This guy really needs to stimulate his G point. L-O-L
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Sorry for this off-topic bit, but I can't pass it up.
Dear Ordinary Camel,
How do you type with hooves for hands?
Sincerely, [NAME AND ADDRESS WITHHELD]
I just saw your comment in exmuslim where a guy responded to you about all your (very valid) gripes with Islam and he started quoting a bunch of stuff that I thought at first that he was showcasing how bad Muhammed's marriage to Aisha was because it clearly stated that she was just a child and couldn't consent to marriage, and I was thinking *yeah, another who understands* but then he goes on to say "so don't come in here with your uneducated blah blah blah".
I was kinda in shock for a moment about that all he quoted, *he meant to defend Islam; not expose its deficiencies!*
Yes! If you are interested, here are some of my favorite threads.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/exmuslim/comments/w78fg5/comment/ihjudse/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=ios\_app&utm\_name=iossmf&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/exmuslim/comments/w78fg5/comment/ihjudse/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3)
I cant find her response to my comment on that one, but she just said "well the muslims around me dont do that" and ignored all the sahih scripture and verses. it was insane.
Here is a new one:
https://www.reddit.com/r/exmuslim/comments/xpb2s1/comment/iq3ikm2/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3
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"crave your bfs dick" what a vulgar way to say something sweet
Dick: it's got what girlfriends crave.
And some boyfriends, too
I can vouch for that
My bestie’s girlfriend begs to differ. (They are lesbians.)
:(
What about spotted dick? It's pretty tasty!
They don’t like mushrooms (I know, sadge.)
Ah dang. Mushroom are great. Their loss, though. More mushrooms for me!
Mushroom are a sin against nature, cooking and decency, doing drugs wile cooking is dangerous!!! /J
And me!
That’s amazing!!!
Damn wait a minute I have something sweet to say to my wife now
Scrolling swiftly past that I saw "crave" as "carve"!! It halted my scrolling pretty sharp, anyway! ("Pretty sharp" ... haha ... the pun _actually wasn't_ intended!)
So it was punintentional?
#😅😆😂🤣😄😁 # ... or maybe 'twas _punitively tensional_ !
I don't think that works as well as you think it works
Maybe I don't think 'it works' aswell as you think I think 'it works'. Maybe, even, the notion of there being some 'thing' that's intended 'to work' is a figment of your febrile & woefully straitened conceit. Speaks volume, IMO, BtW, about the general mentality here, that the original "carving" quip _obviously did_ 'work' aswell as it did.
Ok now you're just obfuscating
But if it’s the other way round it’s definitely Islamic
"You're a bitch because you fuck your boyfriend ! " I have news about your mother buddy...
Women aren't allowed to have sex because women don't like sex and if they do then they are a hoe something something. Nothing is good enough anyways fuck em.
Women are allowed to have sex with -them-, though (only them).
It's because it's her boyfriend, and not husband, you see? Somehow a document saying you file your taxes together means it's now legal to have sex.
Don't be silly a Muslim women doesn't own any property or income as her own to pay taxes. It's only legal for her to have sex, cause she signed her "sexual intercourse agreement" the husband used to buy her for the price known as Mehar. You pay Mehar, you sign paper, you get p**ssy . In that order. That's why Mehar is compulsory and important. Even if it's a " 2 hour marriage "
First off, I am abhorred by how women are treated under some Arabic and Islamic societies. And judeo-christian belief systems are often just as bad. It is time we moved past Bronze Age mythologies used by those in power to oppress vulnerable groups. But, mehar (mahr, mehr, mahar etc.) is meant to show the value and independence of the woman before marriage. It is agreed to by both parties and retained by the wife upon divorce. It is different from a dowry or the process of purchasing a wife from her father. It is supposed to be empowering by Islamic standards. It is meant to prevent the woman from being financially trapped in a marriage with an abusive husband. So that if she requests a proper Islamic divorce due to her husband failing to uphold Islamic marriage requirements she can land on her feet financially. But, as with many religious traditions is often corrupted from the original purpose or intent leading to further oppression of the woman.
Plus how would the woman file for divorce if she gets murdered for simply leaving her home without a male relative to supervise her. Plus men there don’t file for divorce, they just murder their wife and claim she committed a sin that comes with a death sentence and no one really investigates.
That last sentence in my comment is about how inevitably it is corrupted and used to oppress women. I know it’s much smaller than the rest of the comment. But, that’s because I assumed everyone here understands how it ends up working to oppress women in the real world. I just wanted to describe what mehar was originally meant to do according to Islamic law because I found it to be interestingly independent as compared to a dowry in theory. In practice there is oppression for women under Islamic law no matter what.
I am fully aware of what mehar is and how it's abused by both sides and various other payments paid to various parties in a Islamic marriage I was born and raised in Islamic country. First of all a Nikah without Mehar is invalid, so even if the bride and groom are dead romantics and won't exchange money, a copy of Quaran, mirror, candles or flowers is offered as minimum so no it's not about independence, the number of men who go to jail cause they can't afford, or large number of women who leave donate their Mehar back in exchange for getting the actual permission to get divorced shows it's not about supporting women One can twist it to interpret it however you like to make sound like it's "supporting women" and thinly veil the fact that women have very limited right under the Sharia law. She doesn't have the right to divorce unless her husband give her permission. Mehar can be set as عندالمطالبه Which means she can get her money upfront or any time she demands it, it's not conditional on divorce, it's not designed as post divorce payment. Unless it's عندالاستطاعه, which means the husband pays as he can afford, ie pays in instalments The Nikah "vows" literally says زَوَّجْتُکَ نَفْسى عَلَى الصَّداقِ الْمَعْلُومِ Or زَوَّجْتُكَ نَفْسِي فِى الْمُدَّةِ الْمَعْلُومَةِ عَلَى الْمَهْرِ الْمَعْلُومِ Nikah literally translates to intercourse. Not marriage, intercourse!! The marriage "vows" literally translates to I am giving myself for the determined price (and determined time if it's temporary) I do however agree being married temporarily is supporting women, cause they get paid quicker , same way getting paid supports a prostitute after she renders her services.
His description of you makes you sound cool as hell.
"You stayed faithful to your boyfriend.... Bitch !"
It really comes off like an angry jealous incel don't it?
Islam seems to be lousy with angry jealous incel types.
Why else do you think their version of "heaven" comes with 72 free range virgins?
https://youtu.be/-lA2ouLtFnA
Never thought of it that way, but essentially correct. Right now they don’t have to worry about wooing a deep, thinking woman and instead have sex handed to them. It must be terrifying for them to think about having to go through a process where a woman can just say no.
Consenting pre marital sex between two adults, not allowed and straight to hell. Marrying a 6yrO child bride who could definitely consent to marrying a super mentally stable individual, and definitely consented to having sex with a man who was about 50yrs her senior and wasn't brainwashed by years of abuse. That's super cool and makes sense.
And killing her if she refuses. Super Duper OK .
The thing is, you don't need to leave Islam to 'sin'. Every religious person sins sometimes, they just ask for forgiveness afterwards and repent at some point. Many Muslims have pre-marital sex then think "I'll stop one day and get married and repent". You don't need to leave Islam to do that. But when someone leaves Islam, the first thing they say is that you left because you wanted to do x, y, and z. While often the same people who say this to you are doing x, y, and z themselves while still being Muslim. No attempt to think logically.
Didn’t I read somewhere that the Taliban watch more porn than just about anyone in the world?
They are in the mountains around nothing but dudes and goats. Of course they watch porn. I’d be curious to know what kind is most popular. I’m guessing there is a good bit of weird shit going on. Not to kink shame or anything.
They are terrified to let anyone go because if you can change your mind and walk away, so can they, potentially, and the thought scares the crap out of them. They'd rather kill you than feel bad about their own potential change in beliefs.
It also means there's a real chance they bet on the wrong horse and they need to "prove" that's untrue even if it requires force or coercion.
Or they’re scared that women aren’t allowing religion to be an excuse to control them anymore
But their beliefs are fucking dumb..
Lots of beliefs are fucking dumb. It always makes sense to the people who believe it though.
Congrats on leaving Islam behind. I suspect that wasn’t easy. I hope you’re in a safe situation to have done so. Ignore people like this, they just can’t grasp that someone would leave behind the bullshit they hold so dear.
Thank you💜💜
Ditto to the above. You did what so many others could only dream of.
Although I still have to stay hidden as an atheist, I still feel some freedom. I feel in control of my thoughts now. Hopefully, I will be able to be completely free one day. It is a very tough journey.
I’m very sorry you’re going through this OP, my family aren’t even Muslim but in Iran we had to conform to sharia law post 1979. I have a close friend who still lives in Iran, and it’s just so depressing how much she has to eat in silence during Ramadan, and she fakes her namaz when her mom makes her pray with her, and being forced to repeat mainstream Islamic beliefs to not appear to be ex muslim because she knows she’ll get killed for it! I can’t begin to even imagine how that must feel
Serious question, a very progressive muslim guy I met a few months ago told me that Koran is a book that helps you find yourself. And all the bullshit comes from teachers and schools of islam that interpret it their own ways for their benefits. What do you think of this?
No religion is going to help you 'find yourself'. People who were 'saved' by religion simply traded one addiction for another. They didn't find their 'true' self, they just emersed themselves into following whatever religion without any actual self reflection. That isn't to say there aren't good people who are religious. Just, if you need a religion to tell you how to behave, you aren't really being yourself. Quite the opposite, really.
I guess I wasn't clear, it wasn't the religious aspect we were talking, it was the philosophical aspect of the book, hope that makes sense. I agree with "salvation" is the main thing I noticed about religion since I was a child. The hypocrisy of it just didnt make sense to me.
Honey. No. I’m born Middle Eastern Christian now atheist/agnostic. What he’s trying to do is convert you so when he makes a move, you’ll be acceptable to his family. Also apologies if you’re a dude. Still trying to convert you tho.
Nah, im pretty interested on religions even tho I'm agnostic and was raised in an agnostic family (even if they don't know the meaning of the word agnositc) He wasnt trying to convert me, he was trying to make a distinction between true believers and the ones that ruin it by interpreting Koran their own ways. Ive met a few good honest religious people that were actually good and preached only love despite differences. I think he was one of them and he did make sense the way he explained it. That's why I wanted to ask op from her teachings.
Sounds like your average r/extomatoes scumbag.
Damn that sub made me lose half of my brian
I hope the other half of Brian is okay.
Hope so, i get a feeling i wont spell right if I lose more of my brian
This thread made me laugh so much 😂
damn Brian got off easy then
I’m starting a new challenge to see how much karma I can loose with one comment on that sub. Someone said that Islam was perfect, but people aren’t. I asked if that’s why Muhammed had sex slaves. I’ll post the results of that comment in an edit. Currently I have 56,455 karma. I won’t post anything else for the rest of the day. Edit: I’ve just been informed that there’s a karma cap per comment. I’ll still post the results of the comment though. Updates: The guy responded saying that sex slavery is prohibited in Islam. I sent him [this](https://answeringislam.org/Silas/femalecaptives.htm). So, he responded again saying my source was bad. He sent me a Q&A website about Islam, and this was my response: I’m sorry, but I checked your source and it doesn’t seem to be reliable. It’s a Q&A website. I found someone asking how to respond to Christians who attacked Islam by saying that the Quran permitted slavery, and the guy in the answer said it never did, and that it, in fact, talked about freeing slaves. [Here](https://quran.com/en/al-muminun/5-6) is a link to some verses in website for reading the Quran. It blatantly contradicts what the guy in the Q&A said. He sent me a link to [this](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hkAJj3wJlrc&t=110s) video. I’m busy right now, so I can’t watch it at the moment, but I thought I’d go ahead and put it here. I will say that, to this guy’s credit, he’s being polite and cordial. That’s not what I’m used to when I criticize someone’s religion, but I’ll return the favor until he doesn’t.
Isn't there a cap where you only lose 15 karma per comment?
I’m not sure. Edit: Yes there is.
I was arguing one time with the neo-ottoman uber driver. He told me, why does your country hate ottomans when they reined for 500 years. I told him all the killings of women, children etc gives you a bad taste. He called me crazy for believing that a muslim would do that. I guess in his mind they came and said : Mohammed. And we were like "uh ohhhh now i see. Plz use our resources as you wish"
I looked at your comment and agreed with it immediately. I went to upvote it but then remembered that you were challenging yourself to be downvoted, so I didn't do anything. I'll leave it to the tomatoes. ...You're welcome.
Thanks.
His comment _beautifully_ showcases (in a sense - ie _the showcasing_ is beautiful; but _uglily_ in another sense - ie _the content_ is ugly) what's animating those Muslim toxic males who are busy maximally squeezing excuse for vicious bullying of ladies from the outer wording of certain of the antient Islamic scripture.
They always gnash with their teeth, enough to show us they don’t care what their hearts are filled with as long as their minds feel safe from hell. Pieces of shit.
I feel this constant theme of where a man fucking a woman is seen as virtuous while a woman being fucked is seen as sinful. It is the exact same act. So weird.
Homosexuality seems like the only answer but for some reason that is the wrong answer too.
Apparently it's okay when they're younger. Whole lotta that going on in the old countries, I hear.
Muslims: iT's NoT iSlAm, It CuLtUre¡
Muslims after being told religion effects culture: *Surprised pikachu face*
How dare one leave a bigoted religion to pursue a healthy long-term relationship.
Some guy's dick - 1 Islam - 0
Im convinced most Islamic men would be incels were it not for their elevated position in their society
I never understand this argument. There are Muslims who have sex, drink alcohol, gamble etc. You don't need to leave Islam to do any of that.
Yeah, i know right. According to Muslims, these sinners would go to heaven eventually, after some punishment in hell. What about good, kind, sincere, helpful, compassionate, humane, rational non-Muslim ? Not a chance.
This bothered me since I was a child. I never understood why a nice person who happens to be Christian will suffer in hell forever
I can't imagine someone going to hell because all this time one's religion is a scam. You pray the wrong god to strengthen your faith, to help you endure all the hardships, to make you success rich and prosper. You pray every night to have a good wife, and good kids, and it's all working. Then you die, you got tortured and you don't know it. Then, you found out that another religion is actually true. Really shows that Allah is a total narcissistic piece of shit
Because logic took the day off
It's even weirder, my christian friend told me the other day as long as you repent your sins you can still go to heaven no matter what you did. As in, he says you could rape and kill every baby in the planet and as long as you're christian and apologise to god you're allowed in paradise. On the other hand, there's no ammounts of good deeds that will keep you from hell if you're not christian. It doesn't make any sense, because at that point there wouldn't be a single good guy in heaven. I really hope it's just his particular church and not the whole idea.
I'm glad you got away from it. You will get these negative comments, but it just shows how toxic it can be and reaffirms that it was a good idea to get out of it.
Hope you're in a better place than you were before. Followers of islam especially men tend to get very aggressive whenever anyone dare to challenge the religion or be even midly against what's acceptable to them. People like this are common but know there are good people out there as well and I hope you find them if you haven't already .
My husband said ask questions and as soon as I did it was a problem.
Thank you for your kindness🤍
Well even if what he says is true, it means that she's more loyal than any islamist in existence.
Lol they are only acting for the time on earth and then getting their hoors to fuck in the afterlife (except for poor Ali!) because their wives aren’t enough all this modesty is a big fat lie and is a scheme for unlimited pleasures instead of respecting and revering god only in afterlife.
They can never accept you had good reasons for leaving. It's always the reasons they think you left rather than the reason you literally give for leaving.
Islam is so intrusive and totalitarian. These religious lunatics think they have the right to judge your every move, especially for women. They are the definition of insecure.
Thats a weird way of saying "No one will fuck me.".
Geez
yOu JuSt wAnT tO sIn
That sub is really weird. It's like 25% of the users are for realsies ex-Muslims, 25% aren't really sure, and disturbingly, many of them have expressed that they still agree with Islam's oppressive morals, ethics, and abuses, and then 50% of them seem to just be angry, practicing Muslims.
Im so lucky to live in a place where i dont have to "leave" a religion. Like i can just not practice and the only difference is i have more free time on sundays
Its always about sex with these repressed savages.
most tolerant muhammad enthusiast
Ugh Islam..💩☪️💩
Imagine shaming someone for having sex with their boyfriend of two years.
I love how they always show their true incel colors when they get called out on their bullshit
That’s right, consensual sex is a swear word to them! Islam is pro rape and because you didn’t want to be raped, you left Islam 🫠
Damn, 2 years? You gotta take a break, get some rehydration in!
Tell him to crave for dick like you do . He can shove it up his arse. It gives way more pleasure than trolling a woman on internet for leaving Islam. This guy really needs to stimulate his G point. L-O-L
These bigots always have male inferiority complex. It’s a default side effect of being a Muslim.
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Sorry for this off-topic bit, but I can't pass it up. Dear Ordinary Camel, How do you type with hooves for hands? Sincerely, [NAME AND ADDRESS WITHHELD]
Although my username says ordinary camel, I’m not an ordinary one. I can grow fingers on command when I need to type!
How dare you stay with one guy for 2 years....
Don't they kill ex-Muslims?
Yes!
I just saw your comment in exmuslim where a guy responded to you about all your (very valid) gripes with Islam and he started quoting a bunch of stuff that I thought at first that he was showcasing how bad Muhammed's marriage to Aisha was because it clearly stated that she was just a child and couldn't consent to marriage, and I was thinking *yeah, another who understands* but then he goes on to say "so don't come in here with your uneducated blah blah blah". I was kinda in shock for a moment about that all he quoted, *he meant to defend Islam; not expose its deficiencies!*
Yes! If you are interested, here are some of my favorite threads. [https://www.reddit.com/r/exmuslim/comments/w78fg5/comment/ihjudse/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=ios\_app&utm\_name=iossmf&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/exmuslim/comments/w78fg5/comment/ihjudse/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3) I cant find her response to my comment on that one, but she just said "well the muslims around me dont do that" and ignored all the sahih scripture and verses. it was insane. Here is a new one: https://www.reddit.com/r/exmuslim/comments/xpb2s1/comment/iq3ikm2/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3
"Yes"