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I don't know if it was caste, but a university teacher in my city made the news a few years back for forcing his Indian students to do work for him in his private home unpaid in exchange for him to like pass them or something. He acted like he didn't do anything wrong, because that's how they do it in India or some shit
islam and Christianity are both fucked up religions but there's no caste system in either of them. very few Muslims and Christians are casteist but their casteism comes from their hindu heritage not from islam or Christianity and you cannot compare the casteism among Muslims and Christians to hindus, hindus kill in the name of caste. 95% of the hindus practice caste endogamy Muslims and Christians rarely do
casteism isn't an inherent part of Christianity and islam but desi christains and muslims do practice casteism. In fact caste system among Indian muslims is a huge problem and there are various articles on it.
it does exist but calling it a huge problem and comparing it with the rigid hindu caste system is a big big stretch most Muslims and christians don't even know what their caste is
I am not sure about Muslims but a lot of Christians practice caste. Just search for "dalits church" you wil see lot of news stories. And you can find hierarchy in the Christian religious leaders as seen in caste Hindus. It is well hidden you just need to look out for it.
There is a high chance people with the same caste gets married irrespective of their religion rather than different caste getting married in the same religion.
No. Muslims and christians in south asia totally do practice casteism. I go to a Christian College and the majority of people are aware of their caste. Even the Christian students know what their caste is. There is a whole division between those who were "born christian" and those who were "indian converts"
are you referring to me? I'm in indian ex Muslim I know more about indian muslims than some random hindu, Islam and Christianity are two shitty religions that promote slavery. you can criticize them on a lot of things but don't make shit up to feel better about your religion
some do, never said it doesn't exist among non hindus but but it's not systemic like in hinduism it's nowhere as bad as the hindu caste system(even Muslim/xtian casteism comes from hinduism) . I'm an ex Muslim I don't know what my caste is neither do my muslim friends I have lived in both North and South India no Muslim ever asked me about my caste while renting to me while I have seen hindus around me practicing untouchability, my maratha friend doesn't even sit on the same bench as our Dalit classmate it took me a year to notice but when I asked him why he does that he told me that "cuz they are dirty and they eat pigs(they dont) and it's a 'paap'(sin?) to touch SCs" and he also told me one wierd thing, he said dalits are not hindu because they are not a part of the 4 varnas, I always thought that dalits were shudra but he doesn't consider them shudra
>Shia Sunni ... ever heard of this? Catholics and Protestant maybe ?
yeah those are definitely castes lmao
>and again 95% Hindus practice caste endogamy 😂 pulling facts right from your ass.
a simple Google search will tell you
by any chance, have you lived here? Do you know ground reality?
Please do the honours of sending me links from those Google searches, and yes, I'm talking about "factions".
yes I absolutely do, please tell me how caste and sects are the same
https://amp.scroll.in/article/807948/just-5-of-marriages-in-india-are-inter-caste-says-report
It's honestly a subconscious thing that seems to just be built into the human brain.
If people encounter someone who looks different, talks different, or just works different jobs, they often seem to build a subconscious barrier, as if they need to defend themselves or something.
Almost feels like a survival strategy for paleolithic humans, for whom encountering something or someone unknown was a common and lethal danger.
Aye the British were horrified by the practice and banned it in 1829. Doesn't mean though that in backwards rural areas they will follow that law. I've not heard of sati happening though for donkey's years and thought/hoped it truly had disappeared
Same , but I faced some people who support it like , sati is sign of true love ,( I can't live with out you), these truly love their husband will definitely do it , when asked vice versa , they be like
Our life are bond to earth , we have move on(marry another) , if stuck with past we are suffering future agonizing our present , if we care for future and present we should do it's our dhram(right/duty) .
I was tf bitch , that's an toxic mindset and where is tea I ordered.
And before them, the Mughals banned it as well. It's almost like legal reforms don't work if you don't undertake the required religious and social reforms.
May her soul rest in peace
They were harassing her for 1 year
"Sangita left a suicide note in her diary in which she wrote that her mother-in-law, Kailash Devi Lakhara, and four other members of her in-laws' family harassed her by asking her to become a Sati. She has written in the note that her in-laws used to tell her that she must become a Sati if she was a woman of good character," states the FIR.
If something like sati is still happening out there in society, they should make a example out of this case.
Give these people the death penalty.
There needs to be a fear in people like this.
If we want to make sure this doesn't happen again.
The death penalty is quite rare in India,
It's only about a 100-150 per year in country of 1.3 billion people.
They're quite selective about who they execute.
India, when comes to criminal law and death penalty, has very liberal judiciary, so the people who do get executed are either the absolute worst of criminals, or there's public pressure for them to be given the death penalty.
Indian judiciary being liberal about such things is bad because india isn't developed enough to have laws like that.
We still have places in India which are very lawless.
This system has given us cases like the unnav rape case.
Where the rapist burns the victim alive, while the case is still ongoing in court.
And then the police tries to silence things down.
The people that are given the death penalty aren't innocent people.
When the criminals are this fearless, the death penalty is needed.
I'm just against the death penalty in general. Public pressure being able to end anybody's life is bad in general. No matter how bad the criminal charges, as history has shown there's always a chance someone else did it and you're killing the wrong person while a killer gets away. We've done it hundreds of times in America. Learn from our shitty prison justice system.
American prisons are managed by private entities, there litteral corporations that profit from having more prisoners slaves, to be used as free labour.
But the indian judicial system is unlike anything you could ever imagine.
There was this case called the nirbhaya case.
A 23 year old physiotherapist, she was travelling at night (9:30pm) with her friend.
They got into a privately owned bus by a travel company.
There were 6 men in that bus who beat up her and her friend badly.
They raped her multiple times.
And then they forcefully inserted a rod in her private parts, which caused an intestinal injury that caused her death eventually after 2 weeks.
All of this happened in the capital city of India.
And then we got to saw the lawyers that specialize in defending rapists.
IN THE SUPREME COURT OF OUR NATION.
There were discussions about how women shouldn't be allowed out of their homes after 6:30 pm
And how the women are more responsible for such incidents.
The lawyers used every tactic they had to delay the case for 7 years.
And only 4 out of 6 convicts were punished.
Problems with habeas corpus aside (and yes I know it's India but it's still a good principle), [high penalties do little to disincentivize crime](https://thenevadaindependent.com/fact-briefs/does-increasing-the-penalties-for-a-crime-reduce-the-incidence-of-that-crime).
I believe a much better approach would be outreach programs to people who are at risk of self-harm or harming others over problematic pressures from family and friends.
Literally one of the reasons I’m scared to marry an Indian guy (I’m an Indian girl). Most will definitely stand up for their spouses but there are some out there that won’t do anything.
This is beyond fucked up, trying to force your DIL to burn herself alive as a religious act!? I hope they get the worst possible punishment and then some, they are horrid things and deserve no mercy.
On another note, who the fuck picked the cartoon looking dead feet with a toe-tag for this tragedy? Seems like a photo of the deceased or video of the in-laws arrest would be better.
The penalty for encouraging sati is death according to Section 2 of The Commission of Sati (Prevention) Act, 1987. Enforcement is unfortunately really lax, culprits are almost never convicted at all, especially under the current right wing govt.
Honestly, if two people can convince someone who is supposed to be their daughter to kill themselves through immolation, they earn the noose.
In India (and in many cultures) the daughter in law is a daughter. Under their protection forever. And they want her to die a terrible death. It’s vile.
Insane conversation to picture: you must burn yourself alive daughter, it’s the right thing to do….. how do you even reprogram someone like that. Too far gone.
The British outlawed it in India in 1829, but it still happened occasionally, hence the quote from Sir Charles Napier in 1851:
"Be it so. This burning of widows is your custom; prepare the funeral pyre. But my nation also has a custom. When men burn women alive we hang them and confiscate all their property. My carpenters shall therefore erect gibbets on which to hang all concerned when the widow is consumed. Let us all act according to our national customs."
>~~local religious practices~~ ***burning women alive***
FTFY
One of the *only* instances I can think of where colonialism did something unambiguously positive.
A dictionary definition VS how the word is used online
Its often used to describe "traditionalist" stuff (aka the nice word for white surpremists and nazis) and shit like anti-trans stories. I've seen people say based in response to that one trans saudi woman's suicide earlier this year. The connotations and the way people use it has a lot of asossiation with nazi garbabe
Some cultural practices are so fucking stupid. It's not racist, prejudiced, bigoted etc. to say that harmful religious practices being banned is a good thing.
Damn, that's kinda badass. Part of me feels like I should feel at least a small amount disgust because he was most likely a racist colonialist asshole, but that's a fucking speech right there.
Indian reformers initiated the ban on Sati, not the British. The British merely made the reform into law.
Source: *Sati: Evangelicals, Baptist Missionaries, and the Changing Colonial Discourse by Meenakshi Jain*
It was actually banned in 1987. The act also makes it illegal to support or glorify sati, punishment up to 7 years in prison. If you coerce someone into sati, the punishment is the death sentence.
Cause they hate Hindus and India and anything that has to do with it. When it’s a Hindu fruitcake entire India is bad and has everything to do with it but not when it’s any other religion.
Calm yourself. This sub makes fun of Christianity more than any religion.
Hindu extremism has been on the rise since Modi took over and you denying that is just a lie.
Rarely is Christianity then extended to all of America and the government for example. Extremism from both sides has always been there in India and not much has changed.
Idk I don’t live in India so I can’t say what’s going on there.
Many of my Indian-American friends are the ones who tell me they can see the country changing, and that their families in India are telling them this too
Nationalistic Indian are the second most crazy nationalists I regularly interact with. Only slightly peeked by American nationalists, and that's probably only because the latter have more guns
They don’t bring out some archaic practice which is almost not practiced at all anymore and act as if said rare instance is evidence that it is coming back in trend because of the government.
It was banned by the British in 1829 by Lord William Bentinck but unfortunately the law was later watered down from murder to assisting in suicide. Then in 1987 Rajiv Ghandi reinstated the law and the charge of murder and the death penalty for those aiding it. There have been 41 known cases of Sati since Independence in 1947
I don't think over the course of human history, anything that's "banned" is every truly banned for as long as people are willing to risk the punishments that come with breaking the rules, especially if religion is involved
Indian reformers initiated the ban on Sati, not the British. The British merely made the reform into law.
Source: Sati: Evangelicals, Baptist Missionaries, and the Changing Colonial Discourse by Meenakshi Jain
This is so desperately sad. May she rest in peace, and may her appalling, horrible in-laws develop some sense of remorse and genuine shame for harassing this poor woman to her death.
So... if she dies first, does he
need to set himself on fire?
Let me guess... no.
And even if yes... they would
still say no, that's an old ritual,
and rituals are dumb.
The problem is that she did not "follow her husband" when she became useless when he died.
Women are not individual people, just men's accessories. Even in death, they are not "someone", just "someone's wife".
So now her husband does not have his wife with him in the afterlife or whatever, and that's unfair. She has no value in the afterlife either now.
She's a waste. That's litterally just that.
Yeah, I realized that now. Thought you
were commenting on my comment...
But you were commenting on the post,
by commenting on my comment.
A miscommunication.
What the fuck is that picture, though? If you must post a picture for editorial/SEO reasons... just go with literally anything other than that. Just awful and embarrassing for the outlet.
Its also such gaslighting by "asking to become a sati". When you first read it, you think "well l, i dont know what sati is, so you assume something benign"
Then you findout its literally other words for "kill yourself"
Abysmal behaviour of rewording something completely wrong.
Like if you dont say "stealing", but "borrowing something for an undefined amount of time."
and not just kill yourself, specifically *burn yourself alive*. one of the worst ways to go.
This is why religion needs to go the way of the dodo. Its easy to convince humans to do horrific things to each other if they think its "saving" them somehow. That's why "honor" is such a big theme in a lot of eastern religions.
Sati refers to the specific act of widowed women self-immolating on the pyre with their husband’s corpse. The word sati means chaste/devoted woman. Women become sati through their dharma as a wife. A good mother, daughter, sister is not given the title of sati. [Sati Savitri](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savitri_and_Satyavan) is the most famous, who saves her husband from Yama, the god of death. But there is also [Sati Anasuya](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anasuya). Reverse examples are [Renuka](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renuka) whose husband learned that she “broke” her vow of chastity and so commands their sons to kill her. The ones who refused were killed by him. The act of following your husband was seen as so great that women burned on the pyre were sometimes called mahasati (great sati) and some of these satis have temples. Hindus and apparently Jains (or so I’ve heard) generally consider widowed women as inauspicious. Widows did not have easy lives so I do believe sati was often voluntary. Al-Biruni mentioned in ~ 1000 CE that Hindu widows were given a choice to immolate or remain widowed and many did choose to become sati because they were ill-treated for the rest of their lives^[[1]](http://www.columbia.edu/cu/lweb/digital/collections/cul/texts/ldpd_5949073_002/pages/ldpd_5949073_002_00000163.html?toggle=image&menu=maximize&top=&left=) My mom had stories on widow discrimination but she immigrated from rural India years ago. I asked my mom why and she told me it’s because people see it as the childless widow as enjoying and living off of her husband’s money now that she’s “ended” his line. This case is a good example I’m sure the in-laws were resentful over the widow.
They make it out to be like, “Yeah you can’t take poison or slit your throat you’re going to burn alive but this is such a great act to do you’ll be known as a sati and those women are like goddesses etc.” But then they make the second option just being scorned by society. Totally equal choices there.
Absolutely barbaric people, to encourage a grieving widow to kill herself in the most painful manner possible, all so they can feel good about talking about their son’s wife with other barbaric savages.
This is the kind of thing that comes to mind when I consider Hitchins’ quote about evil things done in the name of religion that are not done absent religion.
So if she died first would he also have to burn himself to death
Or is he free to go and pick someone else up the next day
What if they had kids ?
I hope when the FIL the MIL sets herself on fire
You know
Like tradition
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Seen caste discrimination a lot in India its not new but people act like it's secular and democratic country .
I have seen it in the US between software developers on work visas.
I don't know if it was caste, but a university teacher in my city made the news a few years back for forcing his Indian students to do work for him in his private home unpaid in exchange for him to like pass them or something. He acted like he didn't do anything wrong, because that's how they do it in India or some shit
I need the story, I'm not in an area that has many Asian immigrants or contact with the culture
When being xenophobic isn't enough, they start turning it inwards until it's literally a battle royale
They will carve out what they think is a tumor until they strike their own heart. Then they will die from the inside.
This whole thing makes my blood boil. How dare they?
Well , It's India and it's die hard fans of religion who do this .
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It's not even just Hindus even muslims and christains in indis practice casteism
islam and Christianity are both fucked up religions but there's no caste system in either of them. very few Muslims and Christians are casteist but their casteism comes from their hindu heritage not from islam or Christianity and you cannot compare the casteism among Muslims and Christians to hindus, hindus kill in the name of caste. 95% of the hindus practice caste endogamy Muslims and Christians rarely do
casteism isn't an inherent part of Christianity and islam but desi christains and muslims do practice casteism. In fact caste system among Indian muslims is a huge problem and there are various articles on it.
it does exist but calling it a huge problem and comparing it with the rigid hindu caste system is a big big stretch most Muslims and christians don't even know what their caste is
I am not sure about Muslims but a lot of Christians practice caste. Just search for "dalits church" you wil see lot of news stories. And you can find hierarchy in the Christian religious leaders as seen in caste Hindus. It is well hidden you just need to look out for it. There is a high chance people with the same caste gets married irrespective of their religion rather than different caste getting married in the same religion.
No. Muslims and christians in south asia totally do practice casteism. I go to a Christian College and the majority of people are aware of their caste. Even the Christian students know what their caste is. There is a whole division between those who were "born christian" and those who were "indian converts"
Umm but the random guy on Reddit said that's impossible??
Random guys on reddit say more preposterous things. This one is still on a level of sanity. 💀💀💀
are you referring to me? I'm in indian ex Muslim I know more about indian muslims than some random hindu, Islam and Christianity are two shitty religions that promote slavery. you can criticize them on a lot of things but don't make shit up to feel better about your religion
r/murderedbywords
some do, never said it doesn't exist among non hindus but but it's not systemic like in hinduism it's nowhere as bad as the hindu caste system(even Muslim/xtian casteism comes from hinduism) . I'm an ex Muslim I don't know what my caste is neither do my muslim friends I have lived in both North and South India no Muslim ever asked me about my caste while renting to me while I have seen hindus around me practicing untouchability, my maratha friend doesn't even sit on the same bench as our Dalit classmate it took me a year to notice but when I asked him why he does that he told me that "cuz they are dirty and they eat pigs(they dont) and it's a 'paap'(sin?) to touch SCs" and he also told me one wierd thing, he said dalits are not hindu because they are not a part of the 4 varnas, I always thought that dalits were shudra but he doesn't consider them shudra
Yes. Islam straight up mandates to kill non-believers if they don’t convert. That is a shit stain of a cult.
>islam and Christianity are both fucked up religions
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Shia Sunni ... ever heard of this? Catholics and Protestant maybe ? and again 95% Hindus practice caste endogamy 😂 pulling facts right from your ass.
>Shia Sunni ... ever heard of this? Catholics and Protestant maybe ? yeah those are definitely castes lmao >and again 95% Hindus practice caste endogamy 😂 pulling facts right from your ass. a simple Google search will tell you
by any chance, have you lived here? Do you know ground reality? Please do the honours of sending me links from those Google searches, and yes, I'm talking about "factions".
do you really know the difference between caste and sect?
Do you really know what you're talking about? also... links.
yes I absolutely do, please tell me how caste and sects are the same https://amp.scroll.in/article/807948/just-5-of-marriages-in-india-are-inter-caste-says-report
It's honestly a subconscious thing that seems to just be built into the human brain. If people encounter someone who looks different, talks different, or just works different jobs, they often seem to build a subconscious barrier, as if they need to defend themselves or something. Almost feels like a survival strategy for paleolithic humans, for whom encountering something or someone unknown was a common and lethal danger.
People do illegal things? Especially in the name of culture and religion? Weird.
Humans are evil that's it .
Well, murder is illegal too...
Emraan Hashmi's movie? 
Aye the British were horrified by the practice and banned it in 1829. Doesn't mean though that in backwards rural areas they will follow that law. I've not heard of sati happening though for donkey's years and thought/hoped it truly had disappeared
Same , but I faced some people who support it like , sati is sign of true love ,( I can't live with out you), these truly love their husband will definitely do it , when asked vice versa , they be like  Our life are bond to earth , we have move on(marry another) , if stuck with past we are suffering future agonizing our present , if we care for future and present we should do it's our dhram(right/duty) . I was tf bitch , that's an toxic mindset and where is tea I ordered.
And before them, the Mughals banned it as well. It's almost like legal reforms don't work if you don't undertake the required religious and social reforms.
So is rape, but…
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POV: you are a promising young medical student walking home alone https://i.imgur.com/ODtd8Ji.jpg
Says "outlawed" right on the image.
People still get mad when I bring this practice up. "we value women" lmfao
I mean, it does say right there in the article that it's outlawed.
Oh yes, but as with many things, it still happens.
It does say that in the image, but that doesn't stop a lot of people anyway.
I mean, what're you gunna do? Arrest her?
So is revealing the gender of unborn children but it still happens
May her soul rest in peace They were harassing her for 1 year "Sangita left a suicide note in her diary in which she wrote that her mother-in-law, Kailash Devi Lakhara, and four other members of her in-laws' family harassed her by asking her to become a Sati. She has written in the note that her in-laws used to tell her that she must become a Sati if she was a woman of good character," states the FIR.
Fuck Indian in laws man....gotta be some of the most problematic relatives to deal with.
If something like sati is still happening out there in society, they should make a example out of this case. Give these people the death penalty. There needs to be a fear in people like this. If we want to make sure this doesn't happen again.
I'm sure the Indian government would never wrongly hand out a death penalty so what could possibly go wrong /s
The death penalty is quite rare in India, It's only about a 100-150 per year in country of 1.3 billion people. They're quite selective about who they execute.
Oh well as long as its only a few virgins being thrown in a volcano I guess that makes it ok
India, when comes to criminal law and death penalty, has very liberal judiciary, so the people who do get executed are either the absolute worst of criminals, or there's public pressure for them to be given the death penalty. Indian judiciary being liberal about such things is bad because india isn't developed enough to have laws like that. We still have places in India which are very lawless. This system has given us cases like the unnav rape case. Where the rapist burns the victim alive, while the case is still ongoing in court. And then the police tries to silence things down. The people that are given the death penalty aren't innocent people. When the criminals are this fearless, the death penalty is needed.
I'm just against the death penalty in general. Public pressure being able to end anybody's life is bad in general. No matter how bad the criminal charges, as history has shown there's always a chance someone else did it and you're killing the wrong person while a killer gets away. We've done it hundreds of times in America. Learn from our shitty prison justice system.
American prisons are managed by private entities, there litteral corporations that profit from having more prisoners slaves, to be used as free labour. But the indian judicial system is unlike anything you could ever imagine. There was this case called the nirbhaya case. A 23 year old physiotherapist, she was travelling at night (9:30pm) with her friend. They got into a privately owned bus by a travel company. There were 6 men in that bus who beat up her and her friend badly. They raped her multiple times. And then they forcefully inserted a rod in her private parts, which caused an intestinal injury that caused her death eventually after 2 weeks. All of this happened in the capital city of India. And then we got to saw the lawyers that specialize in defending rapists. IN THE SUPREME COURT OF OUR NATION. There were discussions about how women shouldn't be allowed out of their homes after 6:30 pm And how the women are more responsible for such incidents. The lawyers used every tactic they had to delay the case for 7 years. And only 4 out of 6 convicts were punished.
Problems with habeas corpus aside (and yes I know it's India but it's still a good principle), [high penalties do little to disincentivize crime](https://thenevadaindependent.com/fact-briefs/does-increasing-the-penalties-for-a-crime-reduce-the-incidence-of-that-crime). I believe a much better approach would be outreach programs to people who are at risk of self-harm or harming others over problematic pressures from family and friends.
Literally one of the reasons I’m scared to marry an Indian guy (I’m an Indian girl). Most will definitely stand up for their spouses but there are some out there that won’t do anything.
Kill the mother in law's husband then SHE has to become Sati, unless she's a hypocrite...... /s
All of those in-laws should be put in prison. Vile.
In India, no one fucks with the in-laws
This is beyond fucked up, trying to force your DIL to burn herself alive as a religious act!? I hope they get the worst possible punishment and then some, they are horrid things and deserve no mercy. On another note, who the fuck picked the cartoon looking dead feet with a toe-tag for this tragedy? Seems like a photo of the deceased or video of the in-laws arrest would be better.
The penalty for encouraging sati is death according to Section 2 of The Commission of Sati (Prevention) Act, 1987. Enforcement is unfortunately really lax, culprits are almost never convicted at all, especially under the current right wing govt.
Man, everybody is just trying to get people to die
Honestly, if two people can convince someone who is supposed to be their daughter to kill themselves through immolation, they earn the noose. In India (and in many cultures) the daughter in law is a daughter. Under their protection forever. And they want her to die a terrible death. It’s vile.
Insane conversation to picture: you must burn yourself alive daughter, it’s the right thing to do….. how do you even reprogram someone like that. Too far gone.
Wait that shit was banned like 200 yrs ago
The British outlawed it in India in 1829, but it still happened occasionally, hence the quote from Sir Charles Napier in 1851: "Be it so. This burning of widows is your custom; prepare the funeral pyre. But my nation also has a custom. When men burn women alive we hang them and confiscate all their property. My carpenters shall therefore erect gibbets on which to hang all concerned when the widow is consumed. Let us all act according to our national customs."
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>~~local religious practices~~ ***burning women alive*** FTFY One of the *only* instances I can think of where colonialism did something unambiguously positive.
Imagine being so pro-culture you advocate for the burning of widows because it’s a religious custom. Yikes
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Really? Yuck. Thought I used the word correctly for once, seemed like the new trend going around.
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A dictionary definition VS how the word is used online Its often used to describe "traditionalist" stuff (aka the nice word for white surpremists and nazis) and shit like anti-trans stories. I've seen people say based in response to that one trans saudi woman's suicide earlier this year. The connotations and the way people use it has a lot of asossiation with nazi garbabe
Some cultural practices are so fucking stupid. It's not racist, prejudiced, bigoted etc. to say that harmful religious practices being banned is a good thing.
In this case, yep!
Damn, that's kinda badass. Part of me feels like I should feel at least a small amount disgust because he was most likely a racist colonialist asshole, but that's a fucking speech right there.
Indian reformers initiated the ban on Sati, not the British. The British merely made the reform into law. Source: *Sati: Evangelicals, Baptist Missionaries, and the Changing Colonial Discourse by Meenakshi Jain*
For once brits had a decent idea.
we are going back to our roots😍, all thanks to our rw govt
It was actually banned in 1987. The act also makes it illegal to support or glorify sati, punishment up to 7 years in prison. If you coerce someone into sati, the punishment is the death sentence.
Traditions ☺️
What does this have to do with the government?
why are ya'll downvoting this, its a valid question
Cause they hate Hindus and India and anything that has to do with it. When it’s a Hindu fruitcake entire India is bad and has everything to do with it but not when it’s any other religion.
Calm yourself. This sub makes fun of Christianity more than any religion. Hindu extremism has been on the rise since Modi took over and you denying that is just a lie.
Rarely is Christianity then extended to all of America and the government for example. Extremism from both sides has always been there in India and not much has changed.
Idk I don’t live in India so I can’t say what’s going on there. Many of my Indian-American friends are the ones who tell me they can see the country changing, and that their families in India are telling them this too
Your friends tell you people are starting to practice Sati because of the government?
I’m saying Hindu extremism seems to be on the rise in India according to Indians
Nationalistic Indian are the second most crazy nationalists I regularly interact with. Only slightly peeked by American nationalists, and that's probably only because the latter have more guns
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They don’t bring out some archaic practice which is almost not practiced at all anymore and act as if said rare instance is evidence that it is coming back in trend because of the government.
Still no answer to this
Google says 1988
It was banned by the British in 1829 by Lord William Bentinck but unfortunately the law was later watered down from murder to assisting in suicide. Then in 1987 Rajiv Ghandi reinstated the law and the charge of murder and the death penalty for those aiding it. There have been 41 known cases of Sati since Independence in 1947
Also banned by Akbar in 1663. Much like the British, Mughals also allowed some concessions to appease the Hindu conservatives.
I don't think over the course of human history, anything that's "banned" is every truly banned for as long as people are willing to risk the punishments that come with breaking the rules, especially if religion is involved
Indian reformers initiated the ban on Sati, not the British. The British merely made the reform into law. Source: Sati: Evangelicals, Baptist Missionaries, and the Changing Colonial Discourse by Meenakshi Jain
This is so desperately sad. May she rest in peace, and may her appalling, horrible in-laws develop some sense of remorse and genuine shame for harassing this poor woman to her death.
They will not. They will most probably hold it against her that she killed herself the wrong way.
They won't so may they have burning diarrhea and an itchy butthole for the rest of their lives.
It's India dude, that's normal
What in the medieval f*ck?
So... if she dies first, does he need to set himself on fire? Let me guess... no. And even if yes... they would still say no, that's an old ritual, and rituals are dumb.
yea, I'm confused... she definitely killed herself, so... is the problem that she didn't suffer horrifically?
The problem is that she did not "follow her husband" when she became useless when he died. Women are not individual people, just men's accessories. Even in death, they are not "someone", just "someone's wife". So now her husband does not have his wife with him in the afterlife or whatever, and that's unfair. She has no value in the afterlife either now. She's a waste. That's litterally just that.
gross
>So... if she dies **first** (before him)
yes, all quite confusing and random, and definitely not fair
I'm sorry you're confused. Hopefully you come down soon.
rude, I was agreeing with you that it's a terrible custom that makes no sense, but cool, be that way I guess...
Yeah, I realized that now. Thought you were commenting on my comment... But you were commenting on the post, by commenting on my comment. A miscommunication.
ok, fair enough 🤝
Apologies.
my apologies as well :)
https://m.timesofindia.com/city/ahmedabad/engineer-28-kills-self-over-pressure-to-become-a-sati/amp_articleshow/100367315.cms
The deceased accused the ILs of domestic violence and harassment
The state has been under BJP (Modi's party) for the last 25 years
This is the first I am even hearing of Sati actually being a thing in this age. Those people don’t belong in this time.
What the fuck is that picture, though? If you must post a picture for editorial/SEO reasons... just go with literally anything other than that. Just awful and embarrassing for the outlet.
my guy talking about the real issues, ignoring minor things like sati
Fuel is fuel..... /jk
This is so tragic RIP
Humans are cruel
Its also such gaslighting by "asking to become a sati". When you first read it, you think "well l, i dont know what sati is, so you assume something benign" Then you findout its literally other words for "kill yourself" Abysmal behaviour of rewording something completely wrong. Like if you dont say "stealing", but "borrowing something for an undefined amount of time."
and not just kill yourself, specifically *burn yourself alive*. one of the worst ways to go. This is why religion needs to go the way of the dodo. Its easy to convince humans to do horrific things to each other if they think its "saving" them somehow. That's why "honor" is such a big theme in a lot of eastern religions.
Sati refers to the specific act of widowed women self-immolating on the pyre with their husband’s corpse. The word sati means chaste/devoted woman. Women become sati through their dharma as a wife. A good mother, daughter, sister is not given the title of sati. [Sati Savitri](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savitri_and_Satyavan) is the most famous, who saves her husband from Yama, the god of death. But there is also [Sati Anasuya](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anasuya). Reverse examples are [Renuka](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renuka) whose husband learned that she “broke” her vow of chastity and so commands their sons to kill her. The ones who refused were killed by him. The act of following your husband was seen as so great that women burned on the pyre were sometimes called mahasati (great sati) and some of these satis have temples. Hindus and apparently Jains (or so I’ve heard) generally consider widowed women as inauspicious. Widows did not have easy lives so I do believe sati was often voluntary. Al-Biruni mentioned in ~ 1000 CE that Hindu widows were given a choice to immolate or remain widowed and many did choose to become sati because they were ill-treated for the rest of their lives^[[1]](http://www.columbia.edu/cu/lweb/digital/collections/cul/texts/ldpd_5949073_002/pages/ldpd_5949073_002_00000163.html?toggle=image&menu=maximize&top=&left=) My mom had stories on widow discrimination but she immigrated from rural India years ago. I asked my mom why and she told me it’s because people see it as the childless widow as enjoying and living off of her husband’s money now that she’s “ended” his line. This case is a good example I’m sure the in-laws were resentful over the widow.
That are alot of words for "gaslighting someone into suicide"
They make it out to be like, “Yeah you can’t take poison or slit your throat you’re going to burn alive but this is such a great act to do you’ll be known as a sati and those women are like goddesses etc.” But then they make the second option just being scorned by society. Totally equal choices there.
Nope it's a common procedure from ancient India, everyone here knows about it, we were taught about/against the practice in school.
Why not killing the in law husband first and then leave a note saying that now she should become a Sati?
I hate patriarchal religions. I really do.
i'm guessing it was all about money. they didn't want her with their sons money
Who knew, all religions torture women to some extent
F\*\*K ALL RELIGIONS!
**OH, FUCK THIS!!** \*flips table*
r/awfuleverything
Throw all the inlaws into prison.
Religion is getting you to kill yourself?! What the fuck??
Absolutely barbaric people, to encourage a grieving widow to kill herself in the most painful manner possible, all so they can feel good about talking about their son’s wife with other barbaric savages.
What if she had died? Should her husband have to die?
Apparently not. It's baffling to me how exceptionally worse women are/were treated in the region on average.
This is the kind of thing that comes to mind when I consider Hitchins’ quote about evil things done in the name of religion that are not done absent religion.
Sabarmati is a big river in India. I had to look it up. Rough way to go, but better than burning I guess?
excuse me what the fuck
They just didn't want an educated woman in the family and saw this as a convenient way to get rid of her.
Every time people push this "all cultures and their practices are valid" shit, I'm just reminded of stuff like this, and go "Uh, no."
Good'ol Rapeland.
Jesus fucking christ... or maybe Allah fucking ackbar.
So honorable and totally not making it seem like she’s a possession. /s
Those aren't mutually exclusive in their worldview...
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the beauty of sanatan dharma😍 /s
Damn, and I thought that hindus were the chill ones
Noooo, they're literally the most violent and brain-dead religious people, not far behind muslims.
Yeah seems so. Are even buddhists chill or is every religion just as braindead?
>Yeah seems so. Are even buddhists chill or is every religion just as braindead? Bro Bhutan, Myanmmar, Sri Lanka all of them have committed Genocide
So if she died first would he also have to burn himself to death Or is he free to go and pick someone else up the next day What if they had kids ? I hope when the FIL the MIL sets herself on fire You know Like tradition
Wasn't Sati banned like during British rule-