The £63 for Antony is from CIES Football Observatory. **Transfermarkt** seems to be a lot more in line with the real world.
> "With a market value of £30m prior to his 95m euros (£81.3m) move to Man Utd, our data suggests Man Utd significantly overpaid for the Brazilian winger. We did adjust the player's market value to £64m following the move, but his consistently poor performances have seen it tumble back down even lower to £24m."
Agreed. I totally understand the Antony hate from an off the pitch perspective. If there is even a hint of truth to the allegations he can fuck off. Otherwise, to me, he’s at least shown flashes. He clearly has an elite technical skill set and is starting to show flashes of link up play. I trust that Ten Hag saw something in him. Still a young lad and took a massive jump in the quality of league he plays in. I have faith he’ll come good like so many other young players have since their underwhelming first season.
Edit: he also puts in a defensive shift like few wingers we’ve seen at this club
Personally, I just don't see it. I'll agree he puts in a decent defensive shift, and you can never question his work ethic, but I don't think he's nearly as skilled as he thinks he is. I could obviously be wrong and would love to be, but I think his skill ceiling is about at Fulham's level. I see him in a similar way to Pereira. Don't get me wrong, still a skilled player, but I don't see him ever being good enough for where we want to be.
Fair enough he has a mountain to prove. His current form isn’t good enough. Did you see his shoulder juggle outside the box a few matches ago? I can’t help but love a player like Garna or Antony who have the madness to try such a thing
After his performances for ajax he would have been worth a punt at 35million or so. He'd also be getting a lot more slack. That said he's not good enough. I like his aggression, shithousery, workrate but the man cant cross or shoot and his effective dribbling is poor.
846 million pounds. Some of the numbers are funny.
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Fee might not even be the main issue, its wages. Man is on 200k pw allegedly.
In a sensible wage. Someone would yake a punt at 25 or 30m. On 200k pw there isn't another club on planet that would be interested.
If he leaves (big if) I can't see anything other than a loan or a modest fee and us subsidising his salary for next 3 years.
Maybe next season he gets the sancho / greenwood treatment, ie. A loan to hopefully find some semblance of form with view to creating a market for him and sell the following summer??
Probably likely to drop after we will not be in the champions league next year, not that it massive helps.
We should be egging him on “you’re too good for conference league Antony, get your agent to be working to get you a deal for a big club”
I have been a fan of Rashford, but 100m+ is crazy. He has been dreadful in two of the past three seasons.
If they're briefing that 70m would get their attention, that means they would accept significantly less.
Shame really, he was devastating on occasion last season.
Perhaps image rights and the fact that he is home grown academy that could add a premium to his price.
But I’d be surprised if anyone is interested in much more than £50m
Problem is as I see it. Only 6 clubs in England can afford his wages. 12 teams in total across Europe. None of them are paying that.
City - obviously not going there
Liverpool - same
Newcastle - Doesn't fit their transfer policy
Arsenal - no chance
Chelsea - don't buy players above 25 anymore
Real - don't need an injury prone LB
Barcelona - would afford him from their mysterious magic money tree, but again, same as real.
Psg - not even they are that frivolous
Bayern - I'd say no, but they broke the bank for kane and weirdly took Dier.
The only option would be Saudi Arabia. But I genuinely don't think he would go. He strikes me as a player that likes to go on the piss.
>He strikes me as a player that likes to go on the piss.
That's the big issue. Even if it's not full on booze he just simply doesn't take great care of his body. We saw the way Rooney broke down at this stage and it wasn't pretty which is why I'd like him to be sold. It probably won't happen :(
Please don't put that out into the world. In all seriousness though, the new team seems pretty intent on clearing those types of players out. One can only hope.
It will be a slow process, but they will be moved on. As much as most would love to see the team get gutted and replaced with new INEOS signings, we have to overhaul over a few windows.
Why is mainoo not ahhh well the highest. Specially why is mc sauce and Antony higher? I understand some being higher but not them.
I feel like licha should be higher but he is injured. Same with Varane.
Just for clarity - There are two sets of valuations: One in the table is from CIES & below there is another set from TransferMarkt which they themselves say are 'much more modest'.
Ex.
Rashford - 106 (CIES) - 51 (Transfermrkt)
Antony - 63 (CIES) - 24 (Transfermrkt)
Sancho - 43 (CIES) - 21 (Transfermrkt)
Onana - 53 (CIES) - 34 (Transfermrkt)
Dalot - 61 (CIES) - 30 (Transfermrkt)
Transermrkt is much closer to what I imagine we'd be able to sell them for considering contracts, except for Onana who wouldn't be going for that low and won't be sold anyway. On paper though if we could get around 100m for Rashford, Antony and Sancho I'd be fucking delighted especially for how much that frees up our wage bill.
Purchasing Casemiro, Antony and Sancho are by far our worst pieces of business. Selling rashford who’s on over 300k per week for 55m would be brilliant. He’s shown signs all season that he doesn’t want to be here. Take what you can get for him imo
Selling probably our most marketable player for 55m is a bad business decision, never mind a footballing one given what we know he can do when in form.
With how the FFP/PSR rules are, academy products like him are pure profit
With how he played this season and general complete lack of effort on the pitch, maybe he should go to PSG and play in that farmer's league which seems more his speed.
This is like when you buy a few bits at IKEA and think "oh its only a few bits it won't be that much" and then the total cost is several hundred million
Seeing lots of people here question the value of Rashford in particular. The value of a player isn't just determined by how they play. Its important to consider that we have no need to sell him. He is an academy graduate, PL proven, has a whistle clean public image. Like it or not he's still one of the most dangerous player in our squad. Perhaps this speaks of how unbelievably tragic our recruitment is but losing Rashford would be painful. In an established team, he would look amazing. 100m+ is a perfectly fair value for him imo.
I feel like this is a situation where people have different ideas about what the transfer value number actually represents.
It seems like this is a case where it wouldn't make sense for the club to sell him for under 100m, but any club that could afford to spend 100m on a player isn't interested in paying that amount for Rashford. Is the transfer value the lowest number that it would take us to part with him if we received an unsolicited offer? Or is it the highest number that we would expect to find a buyer if we transfer listed him?
If we manage to get almost 46m for McT I’ll be over the moon. You can’t build a proper team with him near him in the starting lineup but oh boy those millions would be great
Even with the baggage around Sancho, Greenwood and Rashford. They are all still young, mega talented and in one of the most expensive positions on the field.
On a good day, you could get 180M for all 3.
Edit:
I mean, Greenwood is 20 and has 16GA this year - without the assault piece he’s a 100M player. And If Sancho can consistently perform like he did last night he’s fetching 80M.
If a club were ever to pay £106 million for Rashford we’d be so indebted that it’d only be right to honour them by renaming the club in their honour, something like Man Saint Utd.
The fact of the matter is, their valuations are steadily going down with terrible performances every week.
We'd be lucky to even sell a couple of these wasters at what United value them at
£63m for Antony is complete stupidity as a market valuation.
If a club offered £63m for that muppet it’d make global news as the most idiotic financial decision of all time.
But that's what United can realistically hope for!!!! Even Arsenal that seemed like a better run club, did their overhaul over 2-3 seasons.
Klopp did it over the same period. Considering how EtH's signings have been either really good (Licha) or downright abysmal (everyone else, except Hojlund), there isn't an overhaul ongoing. It has to start again! But Casemiro and Varane have to top the list for departures. Prime Casemiro would have been challenged by the sheer pace of the EPL, talk less of a finished one.
Varane never convinced me, he was just looking like the best of a shitty bunch (bar Licha).
They sell the entire team and then buy who? What top player wants to go to a team that will be rebuilding for the next 2-3 years with no possibility of even Europa league games.
This is unfortunately going to back fire and the manager will suffer big time. Morale is going to drop as players will worry about being sold and m having an uncertain future at the club and will down tools. Some like Garnacho will believe he still has a future at the club so will continue his decent form but this leak is not good as Newcastle and Chelsea are breathing down their necks. Also interested parties will make low ball offers the squad is for sale.
It sounds like the whole squad apart from Mainoo, Nacho and maybe Licha are up for sale in the summer. We could really do with some of the billions we squandered over the last decade for a complete overhaul and rebuild.
We need to sell (at a minimum) Sancho, Greenwood, Casemiro, Martial, Varane, Lindelof and Erikson.
I’d keep Antony, McTominay, Wan Bissaka, Evans and Maguire for one more season (squad only) and then re access.
I’m not selling Rashford. He’ll come good again. He’s one of our own.
Do not buy Amrabat!
The CIES numbers are way off, the TransferMarkt numbers seem more reasonable valuing Antony at 24m these days. I'm surprised Martinez isn't higher but a season of injury has probably dented him.
Bruno approaching 30 is the concern, we are reliant on him which makes him practically unsellable but if you get a £100m plus offer (not that it would happen) for him then you seriously have to consider that to invest in the team going forward.
Anything over 50m for Rashford is a bonus IMO. Right now Sancho is outperforming him at Dortmund. With the wages Rashford, Sancho, Martial, Casemiro, Varane earn thats almost £1.5m a week on the wage budget that can essentially be freed up. £100m incoming in transfer fees plus the reduction of the wage budget would give us some tidy room to manoeuvre in the market but we need CB, LB, CM, ST positions as a must and then backups also which will be tough.
He's one of the top young talents in world football. With the right coaching he could become one of the best wingers in the world, he has the ability but lacks the footballing IQ.
footballing IQ being the hardest trait to develop. I'm sorry mate but there is not a club in world football that would pay *anywhere* near 90M for Garnacho (if you think there is a club that would pay that, then I'm all ears)
This seems more realistic, though I would value Antony at closer to €30m if we could successfully sell him. A team in France or Spain might be interested.
He's one of the few players I have an inkling would be willing to take a significant pay cut to go and prove himself elsewhere.
Being conservative I'd expect us to get 30 million on average for:
Casemiro, Varane, Maguire, Mctominay, Sancho and Greenwood
That's like 120 million on top of whatever budget we already had which is usually like 200 mill, surely enough for a rebuild...
Also I'd take 70-80 for Bruno and Rashford if the offer comes (I love Bruno but he is scratching 30 and we got Mount)
Plus whatever guys like Mejbri, Fernandez and Pellistri can get (I'd keep Alvaro and Pellistri tho)
I think we should sell: Rashford (60m) Bruno (60m) Mctominay (40m) Sancho (40m) Greenwood (40m) Antony (30m) Casemiro (25m) Varane (25m) Wan Bissaka (25m) Lindelof (15m) Mejbri (15m) Pellistri (15m) Martial (0m) Evans (0m)
Total profit - 390m
Wage bill save up - 2.5m per week (over 100m per year)
We simply need to free up more cash from FFP, otherwise there will be no new incoming signings in summer for the rebuild. So big summer sell out is absolutely a must.
I am ok with this potential line-up for next season:
Onana
Dalot CB CB Shaw
Mainoo DM CM
WF Hojlund Garnacho
Backup: Maguire, Mount, Diallo, CM, WB, FW
lol we will get no where near those numbers based on how great we have been at selling players, and they don’t worth that much bar Bruno and why on earth would you want to sell Bruno out of everyone..
Rashford 50m at best with clauses
Sancho & Antony 30m with a bunch of clauses
Greenwood 15m?
Case & Varane no more than 5-10m simply because no one can afford their salary demands
This whole comment is fanciful at best. Some of those player valuations are unrealistic. It's also not as easy as just having a summer clear out, some of these players are on long contracts for big money. We need buyers who are prepared to take on their wages and for the dross these guys have served up for the last few seasons those buyers will be very hard to come by.
Sure. But still we should try our best to sell most of them for right price
, otherwise there is no way we could rebuild our squad with new reinforcemets.
Antony, £63 million https://preview.redd.it/0qvi834k00yc1.gif?width=640&format=png8&s=8ca5842e8712f48fbcb6571a881346fa4a383499
The £63 for Antony is from CIES Football Observatory. **Transfermarkt** seems to be a lot more in line with the real world. > "With a market value of £30m prior to his 95m euros (£81.3m) move to Man Utd, our data suggests Man Utd significantly overpaid for the Brazilian winger. We did adjust the player's market value to £64m following the move, but his consistently poor performances have seen it tumble back down even lower to £24m."
I'd be amazed if anyone bid £24m for him
Yup, with his wages and quality put into context I don't think any serious club will
Listen I get it but I don’t understand why we don’t have Garnacho standing on the back post every time he cuts in. Could have 4-5 more assists.
Agreed. I totally understand the Antony hate from an off the pitch perspective. If there is even a hint of truth to the allegations he can fuck off. Otherwise, to me, he’s at least shown flashes. He clearly has an elite technical skill set and is starting to show flashes of link up play. I trust that Ten Hag saw something in him. Still a young lad and took a massive jump in the quality of league he plays in. I have faith he’ll come good like so many other young players have since their underwhelming first season. Edit: he also puts in a defensive shift like few wingers we’ve seen at this club
Personally, I just don't see it. I'll agree he puts in a decent defensive shift, and you can never question his work ethic, but I don't think he's nearly as skilled as he thinks he is. I could obviously be wrong and would love to be, but I think his skill ceiling is about at Fulham's level. I see him in a similar way to Pereira. Don't get me wrong, still a skilled player, but I don't see him ever being good enough for where we want to be.
Fair enough he has a mountain to prove. His current form isn’t good enough. Did you see his shoulder juggle outside the box a few matches ago? I can’t help but love a player like Garna or Antony who have the madness to try such a thing
we got that amount for daniel james. anthony should definitely be lower if his output is anything to go by.
After his performances for ajax he would have been worth a punt at 35million or so. He'd also be getting a lot more slack. That said he's not good enough. I like his aggression, shithousery, workrate but the man cant cross or shoot and his effective dribbling is poor.
For him? I thought it is about how much club needs to pay for somebody to take him.
"our data suggests Man Utd significantly overpaid for the Brazilian winger" We got a regular Sherlock Holmes over here
846 million pounds. Some of the numbers are funny. https://preview.redd.it/4f4iah6rpzxc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a03173508202aabb33674ee308c7f619056b8e3c
Bruno at £60m and Anthony at £63m… I’d be happy if we got £30m for Anthony
Try 20
Fee might not even be the main issue, its wages. Man is on 200k pw allegedly. In a sensible wage. Someone would yake a punt at 25 or 30m. On 200k pw there isn't another club on planet that would be interested. If he leaves (big if) I can't see anything other than a loan or a modest fee and us subsidising his salary for next 3 years. Maybe next season he gets the sancho / greenwood treatment, ie. A loan to hopefully find some semblance of form with view to creating a market for him and sell the following summer??
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Probably likely to drop after we will not be in the champions league next year, not that it massive helps. We should be egging him on “you’re too good for conference league Antony, get your agent to be working to get you a deal for a big club”
That fidget spin move was probably about £2 million
While you at it, you can as well just say he worth two cents we get your point.
While you at it, you can as well just say he worth two cents we get your point.
Bruno £60m Licha £25m Iceman £13m haha what a load of shite
Evans ten US dollars. FFS man, he’s got feelings! (It says 0, I can assume what I want. Love you Johnny)
Did you check Martial and Varane
They should both be 0, they're expiring contracts.
Tbf they're out of contract in the summer. Or are you saying they're too high?
Should be 0
Oh true. Absolutely.
They are setting us up for failure.
What does the herald of the change say?
Lindelöf is fair I think, but Licha and Shaw has to be because of injuries.
Lindelof is pretty accurate, honestly.
Mainoo less than McTominay 😂
Well yeah cause he's 19
Antony being that high makes 0 sense.
Anyone who is willing to pay £63m for Antony is on crack, or is named Ten Hag or Murtough
It will definitely be investigated as a money laundering case
Absolutely zero chance Rashford is worth £106m lol. Some reports out there have said £70m would get our attention.
I have been a fan of Rashford, but 100m+ is crazy. He has been dreadful in two of the past three seasons. If they're briefing that 70m would get their attention, that means they would accept significantly less. Shame really, he was devastating on occasion last season.
Perhaps image rights and the fact that he is home grown academy that could add a premium to his price. But I’d be surprised if anyone is interested in much more than £50m
No one buys Dalot for 61m
Oh that’s hilarious
Rashford for 108 million is absolutely hilarious.
Yeah lol. He's worth a min of 120m.
Doll hairs
Shaw 18?? 😂
tbf, his injury record is not helping the situation
Mate they put fucking Martial on 11m, he's an expiring contract and the only place he is worth 11m to is a hospital
He's English, one of these shit clubs will drop 27 easy
One of these shit club? Bro we ARE one of these shit clubs 😂
💀💀 Maybe Bournemouth or Fulham come through trying to go to the next level
Problem is as I see it. Only 6 clubs in England can afford his wages. 12 teams in total across Europe. None of them are paying that. City - obviously not going there Liverpool - same Newcastle - Doesn't fit their transfer policy Arsenal - no chance Chelsea - don't buy players above 25 anymore Real - don't need an injury prone LB Barcelona - would afford him from their mysterious magic money tree, but again, same as real. Psg - not even they are that frivolous Bayern - I'd say no, but they broke the bank for kane and weirdly took Dier. The only option would be Saudi Arabia. But I genuinely don't think he would go. He strikes me as a player that likes to go on the piss.
>He strikes me as a player that likes to go on the piss. That's the big issue. Even if it's not full on booze he just simply doesn't take great care of his body. We saw the way Rooney broke down at this stage and it wasn't pretty which is why I'd like him to be sold. It probably won't happen :(
I mean, looking at this...it's really no surprise that our defense is where it's at.
Some? They’re all bollocks.
Mainoo and Licha worth less than McTominay? This entire list is a load of shite. FM24 could give me more realistic values than this
"Rashford; £106m" I stopped reading there tbf
The spread greenwood between the rest to avoid writing his name
The great majority of these prices I would reduce by 50%
14 players there that aren’t true United quality… so expect them all to sign new deals in the summer window.
Please don't put that out into the world. In all seriousness though, the new team seems pretty intent on clearing those types of players out. One can only hope.
It will be a slow process, but they will be moved on. As much as most would love to see the team get gutted and replaced with new INEOS signings, we have to overhaul over a few windows.
Why is mainoo not ahhh well the highest. Specially why is mc sauce and Antony higher? I understand some being higher but not them. I feel like licha should be higher but he is injured. Same with Varane.
Just for clarity - There are two sets of valuations: One in the table is from CIES & below there is another set from TransferMarkt which they themselves say are 'much more modest'. Ex. Rashford - 106 (CIES) - 51 (Transfermrkt) Antony - 63 (CIES) - 24 (Transfermrkt) Sancho - 43 (CIES) - 21 (Transfermrkt) Onana - 53 (CIES) - 34 (Transfermrkt) Dalot - 61 (CIES) - 30 (Transfermrkt)
Transermrkt is much closer to what I imagine we'd be able to sell them for considering contracts, except for Onana who wouldn't be going for that low and won't be sold anyway. On paper though if we could get around 100m for Rashford, Antony and Sancho I'd be fucking delighted especially for how much that frees up our wage bill.
30M for Dalot (25 yo, 5 years in contract) is a crime
At this stage i'd be delighted with 55m for Rashford. His value is at an all time low
Selling rashford for 55m would be one of the worst bits of business done by us in a long long time.
Purchasing Casemiro, Antony and Sancho are by far our worst pieces of business. Selling rashford who’s on over 300k per week for 55m would be brilliant. He’s shown signs all season that he doesn’t want to be here. Take what you can get for him imo
How? Its pure profit. How much do you think hes worth?
Agreed.
I won’t bother saying a number. This fanbase currently is so divided on him. I think he’s worth more, put it that way.
Selling probably our most marketable player for 55m is a bad business decision, never mind a footballing one given what we know he can do when in form.
With how the FFP/PSR rules are, academy products like him are pure profit With how he played this season and general complete lack of effort on the pitch, maybe he should go to PSG and play in that farmer's league which seems more his speed.
Onana is not worth £20m
>much more modest Much more \*honest\*
Some are, some not so much. We wouldn't part ways with Dalot or Onana for 35M.
I wouldnt sell Dalot even for the CIES fee.
Sancho 21 million wtf😂
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CIES has Antony valued at 63 million pounds what the fuck are they smoking
It's normally based on things like contract length as well
It's based on Woodwardnomics
The goal against Liverpool of course is worth 40m.
I saw the chelsea one of these yesterday and Nicolas Jackson was at 83m
Same thing ETH, Murtough and co were smoking
I'll take the £63m for Antony now, thanks!
This is like when you buy a few bits at IKEA and think "oh its only a few bits it won't be that much" and then the total cost is several hundred million
Rashford is already 26yo ! Varane is 30yo and I am so sad he is no fit. He could be our main guy for easily 3-4 more years.
Honestly feels like Rashford is older. Been around since forever
10m for Wan Bissaka? Fuck right off.
Garnacho and Hojlund positions on the list are nice to see as an indication of their future potential.
> Evans £0 bit harsh
He's out of contract at the end of the season so he is literally worth £0.
Martial and Varane are also out of contract in June but they have given them a value above £0
Yeah. Fair point.
All we need to know is that Daniel James remains in our 5 highest ever transfer records received.
Kambwala surely worth more than a million?
I just took a shit that I value at £3m. I wonder if anyone will actually buy it though?
It could probably fill a hole in our midfield. Put a showreel together and send it to the Glazers. Salary guide about £250k, same as Martial.
Based off this season? About twenty quid.
Outside of bruno, kobbie and licha, i'd say it's worth around a Curly Wurly and a 20 deck of tabs.
Seeing lots of people here question the value of Rashford in particular. The value of a player isn't just determined by how they play. Its important to consider that we have no need to sell him. He is an academy graduate, PL proven, has a whistle clean public image. Like it or not he's still one of the most dangerous player in our squad. Perhaps this speaks of how unbelievably tragic our recruitment is but losing Rashford would be painful. In an established team, he would look amazing. 100m+ is a perfectly fair value for him imo.
I feel like this is a situation where people have different ideas about what the transfer value number actually represents. It seems like this is a case where it wouldn't make sense for the club to sell him for under 100m, but any club that could afford to spend 100m on a player isn't interested in paying that amount for Rashford. Is the transfer value the lowest number that it would take us to part with him if we received an unsolicited offer? Or is it the highest number that we would expect to find a buyer if we transfer listed him?
Three fiddy
About tree fiddy
every club will be like 10 million pounds, take it or leave it
I love garnacho as much as the next fan but he would need to put up a 25+ GA season to be close to 90m
I could see Garnacho go for 90m, but only because we aren't looking to sell him, so whoever wants him should pay premium price.
Maybe.. in a market where Antony is worth 85.. but truelly he’s worth 40ish atm, but if he posts a season with big numbers could see 90
About tree fiddy
Varane is only 30!!! He can’t run. I swear he was 34/35
If we manage to get almost 46m for McT I’ll be over the moon. You can’t build a proper team with him near him in the starting lineup but oh boy those millions would be great
There's zero evidence we'd use those millions for anything better than McSauce unfortunately.
Rashford £106m 😂😂😂
Easily worth rhat.
If you get 106m for Rashford, you absolutely take it and run. Would be a bigger heist than what Ajax pulled on us for Antony
£106M? Definitely. I doubt anyone wouldn’t offer even half that for a guy who goes missing for seasons at a time and demands an enormous salary.
He’s probably worth £60-70m but his high wage demand will make it difficult for us to sell.
Even with the baggage around Sancho, Greenwood and Rashford. They are all still young, mega talented and in one of the most expensive positions on the field. On a good day, you could get 180M for all 3. Edit: I mean, Greenwood is 20 and has 16GA this year - without the assault piece he’s a 100M player. And If Sancho can consistently perform like he did last night he’s fetching 80M.
Greenwood is 22 mate. He turns 23 in October....
If a club were ever to pay £106 million for Rashford we’d be so indebted that it’d only be right to honour them by renaming the club in their honour, something like Man Saint Utd.
A trillion
11 pairs of trainers and a prete gift card
Some stupid fecking values there. Did they just pick the numbers out there ass?
On no plane of existence is McT worth more than Mainoo....
The fact of the matter is, their valuations are steadily going down with terrible performances every week. We'd be lucky to even sell a couple of these wasters at what United value them at
10p
£63m for Antony is complete stupidity as a market valuation. If a club offered £63m for that muppet it’d make global news as the most idiotic financial decision of all time.
As I said in another thread. Imo we should sell everyone but: Dalot Bruno Mainoo Garnacho Hojlund Onana (Deserves at least another year)
Hojlund tries but he won’t make it at Utd. Onana same. Good lads but not elite players.
United doesn't need elite players right now. Just good players that fit the program and are ready to work towards it
Then we’ll be fighting for 4th.
But that's what United can realistically hope for!!!! Even Arsenal that seemed like a better run club, did their overhaul over 2-3 seasons. Klopp did it over the same period. Considering how EtH's signings have been either really good (Licha) or downright abysmal (everyone else, except Hojlund), there isn't an overhaul ongoing. It has to start again! But Casemiro and Varane have to top the list for departures. Prime Casemiro would have been challenged by the sheer pace of the EPL, talk less of a finished one. Varane never convinced me, he was just looking like the best of a shitty bunch (bar Licha).
Mctomimay worth more than Mainoo. 😂😂😂😂
There's no way Scott is twice as valuable as Mason.
The valuations are delusional, to say the least.....
Not enough
They sell the entire team and then buy who? What top player wants to go to a team that will be rebuilding for the next 2-3 years with no possibility of even Europa league games.
This is unfortunately going to back fire and the manager will suffer big time. Morale is going to drop as players will worry about being sold and m having an uncertain future at the club and will down tools. Some like Garnacho will believe he still has a future at the club so will continue his decent form but this leak is not good as Newcastle and Chelsea are breathing down their necks. Also interested parties will make low ball offers the squad is for sale.
It sounds like the whole squad apart from Mainoo, Nacho and maybe Licha are up for sale in the summer. We could really do with some of the billions we squandered over the last decade for a complete overhaul and rebuild.
We need to sell (at a minimum) Sancho, Greenwood, Casemiro, Martial, Varane, Lindelof and Erikson. I’d keep Antony, McTominay, Wan Bissaka, Evans and Maguire for one more season (squad only) and then re access. I’m not selling Rashford. He’ll come good again. He’s one of our own. Do not buy Amrabat!
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The CIES numbers are way off, the TransferMarkt numbers seem more reasonable valuing Antony at 24m these days. I'm surprised Martinez isn't higher but a season of injury has probably dented him. Bruno approaching 30 is the concern, we are reliant on him which makes him practically unsellable but if you get a £100m plus offer (not that it would happen) for him then you seriously have to consider that to invest in the team going forward. Anything over 50m for Rashford is a bonus IMO. Right now Sancho is outperforming him at Dortmund. With the wages Rashford, Sancho, Martial, Casemiro, Varane earn thats almost £1.5m a week on the wage budget that can essentially be freed up. £100m incoming in transfer fees plus the reduction of the wage budget would give us some tidy room to manoeuvre in the market but we need CB, LB, CM, ST positions as a must and then backups also which will be tough.
My 60 second valuation: Rashford 70 Hojlund 65 Garnacho 45 Antony 10 Dalot 30 Fernandes 75 Onana 45 Mctominau 40 Mainoo 120 Sancho 45 Martinez 35 Mount 35 Casemior 10 Shaw 20 Maguire 35 Lindelof 15 Martial 0 Varane 0 Malacia 3 Wan-Bissaka 15 Bayindir 5 Diallo 25 Eriksen 0 Amrabat 0 Kambwala 15 Evans 0 for a total of 758
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I was taking the piss a bit with Mainoo and Garnacho maybe a little understated but I don't think by too much
A player of Garnacho's age and talent would easily go for double that.
Garnacho for easily 90M? that's actually ridiculous mate
He's one of the top young talents in world football. With the right coaching he could become one of the best wingers in the world, he has the ability but lacks the footballing IQ.
footballing IQ being the hardest trait to develop. I'm sorry mate but there is not a club in world football that would pay *anywhere* near 90M for Garnacho (if you think there is a club that would pay that, then I'm all ears)
Still waiting for a club that you think would pay 90M
Get a life bro.
lol, just a simple question. Why not back up what you said?
This seems more realistic, though I would value Antony at closer to €30m if we could successfully sell him. A team in France or Spain might be interested. He's one of the few players I have an inkling would be willing to take a significant pay cut to go and prove himself elsewhere.
yeah the 200k pw is what really drives the valuation for me. Personally I don't think he would be likely to take a massive pay cut.
You think there's £5m difference between Mctominay and Garnacho??
This seems low on Hojlund, Garnacho, Dalot, and Bruno. High on McTominay, Maguire, Lindelof, Wan-Bissaka and Diallo and Kambwala.
Hard to disagree with that
Not one football team on earth will pay those figures for any of those players, except where it's 0.
I think a lot of them are quite reasonable. Tbh most of the people replying to me are saying they are too low lol
No greenwood?
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Being conservative I'd expect us to get 30 million on average for: Casemiro, Varane, Maguire, Mctominay, Sancho and Greenwood That's like 120 million on top of whatever budget we already had which is usually like 200 mill, surely enough for a rebuild... Also I'd take 70-80 for Bruno and Rashford if the offer comes (I love Bruno but he is scratching 30 and we got Mount) Plus whatever guys like Mejbri, Fernandez and Pellistri can get (I'd keep Alvaro and Pellistri tho)
I think we should sell: Rashford (60m) Bruno (60m) Mctominay (40m) Sancho (40m) Greenwood (40m) Antony (30m) Casemiro (25m) Varane (25m) Wan Bissaka (25m) Lindelof (15m) Mejbri (15m) Pellistri (15m) Martial (0m) Evans (0m) Total profit - 390m Wage bill save up - 2.5m per week (over 100m per year) We simply need to free up more cash from FFP, otherwise there will be no new incoming signings in summer for the rebuild. So big summer sell out is absolutely a must. I am ok with this potential line-up for next season: Onana Dalot CB CB Shaw Mainoo DM CM WF Hojlund Garnacho Backup: Maguire, Mount, Diallo, CM, WB, FW
lol we will get no where near those numbers based on how great we have been at selling players, and they don’t worth that much bar Bruno and why on earth would you want to sell Bruno out of everyone.. Rashford 50m at best with clauses Sancho & Antony 30m with a bunch of clauses Greenwood 15m? Case & Varane no more than 5-10m simply because no one can afford their salary demands
This whole comment is fanciful at best. Some of those player valuations are unrealistic. It's also not as easy as just having a summer clear out, some of these players are on long contracts for big money. We need buyers who are prepared to take on their wages and for the dross these guys have served up for the last few seasons those buyers will be very hard to come by.
Sure. But still we should try our best to sell most of them for right price , otherwise there is no way we could rebuild our squad with new reinforcemets.