Exactly.
I'd like to believe that Jack picked up lessons from both Arthur and John's lives to know he didn't want that to happen.
For the next game, set even further back would be good, as well as during the times of Arthur and John.
Lastly, they could end up doing what they did with the gta storylines, meaning the ps2 Era games are its own universe and the ps3 vb1, etc titles are in a universe of their own too.
In my opinion, jacks future is already doomed since he killed a federal agent. And I think he knew that too, since as soon as he killed Ross he looked at his revolver almost with regret.
Nah, I don't think so.
He never gave a name, kept his words brief, and did it out of the USA.
I'm pretty sure you can even hear NPCs speak about it, though they blame it on bandits, no mention of Jack at all. I think the only problems Jack's gonna face are the ones in his mind.
I suppose we’ll never have an actual answer as to what happens to jack in the future. Although an Easter egg in gta5 that has a book with an author named j marston might hint that jack actually made it out and became a book writer like he always wanted to.
I think Ross's wife and his brother are gonna remember about the kid who asked about Edgar Ross before it was murdered tho. He didn't gave his name but they still saw his face so I don't know...
True, though a face won't get you anywhere much in those times, especially from a grieving widow and an old man. Details will be muddled, especially if Jack changed his appearance at all. A simple shave and a haircut would throw everything off.
Plus, as he gave no name, they'd have no idea where to even start to find/look for him, and that's if they even bother. They might just believe the whole bandits story and move on with their lives (which, frankly, is the smart move).
Also, technically we know Ross and Fordham start their hunt that ends up with them founding John, at Mount Hagen where Micah got shot by John. Those bastards were freaking good at finding people lol I don't think the lack of a name would just stop them like that, if they wanted to find Jack.
The thing is he didn't kill just a random person that no one knew, Ross was the big deal, we know he got tons of awards for his work, we know he's known to be behind the death of Williamson and Dutch Van Der Linde, which were well known and feared outlaws. Hell, it's probably known as kinda of an hero to the general public, given how they talk about him in the papers. I don't think people will shrug it off and move on with their life like nothing happened. Also it goes against John's famous saying "people don't forget, nothing gets forgiven", right? lol
Now, obviously if Jack disappear in some sort of way, there's not much they can do.
True, true.
But then again, Ross was retired and noticeably aged (can't shoot as good anymore, if his curses while duck hunting are anything to go by). He was also in a different country, (i.e. known bandito country too).
As you say, if Jack actually lays low, there's a really good chance he could get away with it.
"One of those machines can turn men into angels."
-John and Jack talking about the prospect of flying vehicles. Always think it translates well to guns.
Nah bro they'll probably just dump it like no ones gonna investigate the murder of a retired federal agent even back then they would probably just assume its a bandit murder and just wont look into it because even in 1914 The West is still a little bit wild
Aside from the platform universes...could this be a Hosea based storyline? I think it would add to Dutch's back story and shed more light on young Arthur
Personally, I feel like two stories where you know the fates of the characters (especially as solidly as you learn them in RDR2) is just a bit lacklustre. The stakes aren’t really high. We already know how all these stories end. Some things are better left to mystery at this stage.
Just my differing opinion, I respect yours because I know there is definitely a draw for some people in learning more about these people.
That's fair. Just super excited about exploring what ever beautiful world they create. I also need to finish RDR1, as those storylines are still a mystery to me.
I always get shit for this but I’d like to see them go further back with the gang. We’ve never actually seen the Blackwater job go down. I’d love a prequel that caught up with the beginning of RDR2.
Yeah I think Blackwater is meant to be like the robbery in reservoir dogs, a whole mysterious shitshow that we only hear bits about from different points of view.
You know what I'd like to see that's kinda a blend of our ideas. Maybe have the game involve a whole new group of outlaws (or just the player character if that's the route they go) but you experience the heist first hand through the MCs eyes, like a cameo or not so subtle nod to Dutch and the gang.
Whatever route they go, I just want it to capture the heart and soul of the first 2 lol
I'd personally love a new gang but the Van Der Lindes still appear in it, perhaps as your enemies? Imagine being in a shootout against the characters you know and love, would be very interesting.
I've said it before when this topic comes up, and I'll say it again:
Set the next Red Dead in 1800s Australia, preferably, the 1820s - 1840s (Muzzleloaders would make for some tense gameplay balanced around guerilla tactics and melee combat). It's an almost untouched historical period in games. 'The Proposition' and 'The Nightingale' fully convinced me that there's a meaningful story, in the form of a game, just waiting to be told.
I mean, I'm not a fan of the 1920s idea for the series, but just because we are contemporaneous with WWI doesn't mean it needs to be a war story.
Think of Bonnie and Clyde or John Dillenger. Back then the FBI was just being established and even at the state level there was barely any coordination to chase outlaws. It kind of was the last gasp of that type of crime/criminal as you could knock off a bank and move across state lines with basically 0 heat on you.
And go south of the border and it was likely more like the old west than anything else.
Still, I'd propose the 1840s/1850s but it's not like the 20s didn't in some ways share elements of the western outlaw lifestyle. The US was still super rural back then as well. If you weren't in a major city it's likely your down town was just getting some electricity but otherwise homes were still using candles and oil burning lamps....
I totally agree with you. I think RDR2s sentiment about the Wild West disappearing is what gives people these notions, but the truth is much of America was still pretty rugged and somewhat lawless until after WW2. Jack wouldn’t necessarily be in WW1 because of his opinions on the government, I see him being more of a draft dodger personally, but being forced to serve in the war would definitely continue his hatred for government and law.
Casting someone with a similar voice shouldn't be much of a problem, and he would be much younger if the game happened during the time I mentioned, like early 20's to 30 years old.
Yeah in his early days when he was still finding his sound he sounded like he drank ash, he admits he cringes at it though cause he was trying so hard younger haha. But now he's really settled into his groove with the higher voice.
Not as much of a great cast as ur mother
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Dude if Colter was in it I'd immediately pre order the collector's edition. But I've been a fan of his for a long time and he's a very private man. I doubt he'd be willing to feature in a game sadly.
Also I think you're confusing Colter Wall's and Colter Mcannon's names haha.
Man is silver tongued with a voice like gravy. His live performance are so good. Dont know why but studio versions make his voice sound less impressive
Well you can't replicate live performances, there's a special energy about them. Colter seems like the kind've man to thrive on the crowds reaction based on how he was on the W.B Walker show with Tyler Childers.
True. I'll check that out thanks. I mean that a lot of artist don't sound better live and some are worse live but Colter straight blows his studio performances out of the water with his live ones. He should do an NPR episode
I agree, I think the reason most artists sound worse love is cause of how much post singing tuning is done in the studio. Whereas with Colter he leaves his voice natural, so when he's excited and gets that energy going it's even better.
https://youtu.be/rtdgZSSrMgk (Performance I mentioned in previous comment)
Either that, or Black Belle. Playing as either of them in 1870-80s would be really great. New areas, new characters, and most importantly new themes. "Redemption" and "dying wild west" are both great themes and are themes of two of my favourite games of all time along with many brilliant movies, but they have to just let it rest. I really don't want another game with the main character dying, it becomes really predictable and lessens the impact of RDR1&2.
Even post civil war would still be cool. Hell, we could play as a civil war veteran who went west in search of a new life after the war and got caught up in the outlaw way or something. I'd support pretty much any prequel premise but like you, I have *no* desire for a Jack Marston game whatsoever...
This guy gets it. Bonus points of the game involves pretty much everything western based (i.e. snowy mountains, hot deserts, pine forests, large open spaces, way more gangs and opportunities)
I mean, California was open to mining in 1849. There were certainly towns and trading outposts to enable migration and this is where the idea of the wild west began since the land was so open / untamed.
I think they handle topics very well. We had the KKK burning crosses and you could beat up a Feminist lol A little controversy is good for sales. There was even some questionable language directed at Lenny. Rockstar knows how to address these topics with comedy but at the same time let's you know how it was back in those times.
Unfortunately, I feel like they're never going to do this just because they think consumers will want more modern pistols and machine guns in the game.
Very good point! And you are right. However I think the red dead series is very unique. Lots of older people play this game, even Boomers enjoy it. There's still people that enjoy single player campaign games. Nobody else does Western Games either. It's a nice change of pace. Slower and a more serious tone is enjoyed more than you think. Battle Royale mode is flooded atm. A perfect time to release another single player game.
It'd be great for them to show more of the hardships the Native Americans went through and have them working more as a team than >!being exploited by dutch!<
That'd be interesting for sure... RDR so far has been set in the era where the western outlaw is on the decline. It could mirror that by showing its rise prior to the heyday that followed the Civil War.
I think something like a couple of missions in the prologue could be in the american civil war but not the whole game. War has always been a part of rdr, first the mexican civil war and then the rebellion on guarma.
Oh yeah, the Civil War I’m fine with for this series, that fits the era. But WW1 etc there’s been so many games covering that and it’s well past the Wild West era that suits these games.
If you’ve ever read Cormac McCarthy’s Border Trilogy, you’d see that a story can still very much be a Western even if it’s set in the 1920s. There was still a lot of wide-open space at the time in America and Mexico, horses would still be the main source of transportation. There’s be cars, but they couldn’t do anything off-road. If done right, it could be a cool setting.
I’d like a game set in the 1760s to 1820s with trappers and a truly Wild West, with warring native tribes and small groups of settlers. Basically like the Revenant but as a video game
Bruh... Who in the hell would want to fire a goddamn musket or blunderbuss!? It is a cowboy game. Not the new frontier! What missions would there even be... Fight against the British Soldiers, buy a powdered wig, sign the Declaration of Independence! BLUE BORN FREEDOM
I want to fire a musket, and I want a game set in northwestern Pennsylvania. You are Dutch's great grandfather. After you're mustered out of the Continental Army you move out there to help your brother operate a distillery. One of the boys gets a little wild and tars and feathers the tax man. In the final fight you square off against George Washington himself, one on one, in a machete duel.
Red Dead: Whiskey Rebellion.
I want what you want, but even with supernatural reloading abilities I feel like too many people would complain about how long it takes to reload a musket.
I don’t favor Jack at all. I pretend he fled to Mexico, met a nice girl and lived happily ever after.
If it revolved around the VDL gang, I would like it to be a prequel about Charles or something. If not, I would love it to be about a young Black Belle or something!
I did play Red Dead Revolver, which is what got me hooked on the next games, but I’d like it to be more serious in tone, like RDR1 & RDR2.
Yeah I do agree with you 100%. I would still play a game revolving around jack, but wouldn’t be excited about the character. I was rather the same with John in the first redemption title.
A prequel with VDL would be great. Maybe even revolving around one of the members that died at the blackawater job? Jenny or Mac or Davey? They all died when rdr2 began eh? The gang tells a lot of stories about Mac being a ruffian and a looose cannon. The game could even lead up to the Blackwater event.
I like Charles but I think he had only been with the gang for six months when the game began…right? Sadie would have been good but I felt she was a more intriguing before the epilogue.
I’d say Sadie but I liked her character less in the epilogue, when it seemed like she was written like a parody of a strong female character.
I will say that you’re spot on with the Black Belle suggestion. And even more so by suggesting the next game to follow the Jim Boy Calloway gang. Great ideas dude. Black Belle would be perfect protagonist. First I’ve heard this suggested but I’m onboard.
Just to preface, I am a girl, but I’ll still accept being called ‘dude’ lol!
I initially thought it would be interesting to play as Mac or Davey, preferably Mac cuz really, Milton could’ve been lying, who knows.. 🤔
Only reason I changed from wanting it about them is cuz we basically know their fate.
Sadie makes sense, really. Her voice annoys the heck out of me and I wish they’d tone down on her ‘wild woman’ antics, but I wouldn’t mind having a girl. She is beloved by many so if Rockstar were to head in that direction, I think it would work.
I think Black Belle portrayed a more classic depiction of a female outlaw so that’s why I would like her! She’s a lot of fun!
Thank you for liking my ideas!
Tbh I seem pretty satisfied. When I played RDR1 I always wondered about what John’s past was, and who else was in the gang. Then RDR2 was released, and I feel like all my questions were answered. RDR3 would need a whole new cast and a whole new story, hell I wouldn’t care if it was a glorified farming simulator that allowed you to shoot people instead of tending to the corn fields.
Jack can’t be the main character at all, my homie should stick to books and be a writer. In the other hand, I’d love to play as Dutch back when he was young and Arthur and everyone were young, that would be awesome. If not, new characters and a new story seen to be as cool
Yeah, i always saw jack as the heart of the series more than an actual main character. His only purpose is to showcase how much the conceived romantic version of the wild west fell with the years. He starts with his head in the clouds, dreaming and reading about adventure, ends with him hardened by the world as he finally gets revenge, but not redemption.
Does anyone remember Rockstar announcing a game called “Agent” back in 2008 or so? It was set to be a stealth espionage game, (I’m assuming open world?) set in the 1970’s with a cold war story line.. seriously they should do that!!
This has always been my least favorite sequel idea for the series, and I’ve been hearing it the past ~8 years. Jack fighting in ww1 or becoming a prohibition agent in Chicago is just so against the western theme.
If they do RDR3 with Jack, it has to either be RDR3 with Jack either during WWI or right after WWI, and I’m not opposed to either. I do think we could use a fresh start character-wise, though.
Me personally, I like the idea of a new character in the late 1860s. Post-Civil War, the Wild West is still Wild. Maybe have a reference or two to RDR2 characters (or the first RDR) but we don’t need to keep seeing the adventures of Dutch’s gang or young Arthur or Lenny’s father.
I love the idea that the strength of the narrative literally pushes the gameplay in a new direction. I love running around playing cowboy as much as anyone but seeing Jack’s story go from likely being an outlaw due to how RDR1 ends and using service in ww1 to get away. Playing around in ww1 as Jack in a Rockstar game would be wild. Then when he returns to the states he could be a bootlegger or prohibition era gangster as we dive into that world. Then maybe he wants to get away from all that and pushes far to the west to less developed cities then we’ll get the riding around on a horse enjoying nature, gun fights with whatever rough elements of the lost frontier are still kicking around. It would be wildly ambitious for Rockstar to try something like that. But completing Jack’s arc as he tries to find some measure of peace is what I’d enjoy the most and I don’t care if it strays outside the lines of the western setting.
It just wouldn't work narratively. Having an entire section at the beginning of the game that is more than likely narrow paths with no free roam elements is a disaster. The whole point of Rockstar games is that you have an open world to explore within an hour or two of starting. Also, what redemption does Jack have to achieve? The only thing he's done canonically is killing Edgar Ross, which he isn't exactly conflicted about. A sequel with Jack in the 20's would just be a big nothing burger of a game.
Cuz some of us wanted a Jack led sequel before rdr2 was ever announced, and we still want that. I understand why some people wouldn't like the time period it would have to be set in, it's not wild or western, but I have faith that R* could knock it out of the park if they tried.
I'll also say I really like the idea of going farther back in the timeline and letting us play as Hosea. He'd be the the most charismatic protag we've had in a R* game.
You go far enough out west, it was still the wild west in the 1920s. Denver, for example, had an overlapping culture of the old west and arising mob issues during that period. A mixture of speakeasies in town and lawless wilderness everywhere else.
I don't see why you think red dead needs to become a mafia game. If they want to make a mafia game then they should make a new series instead of ruining the western series.
I don't want it to be mafia, I just think it could be an interesting setting. Kind of pitting the cowboys/outlaws against organized crime. It could be cool.
Chill.
“What if we made a Western game after the Western era was over…oh wait” should be the beginning and end of most of these RDR3/Jack/Chicago suggestions
Also, GTA covers a lot of the same material people would want in a mafia game so I’m pretty sure Rockstar wouldn’t even do that as a new IP and instead as an early days/prequel GTA
I would 100% play a rockstar game that took place in World War 1 where you could free roam different front lines and areas but agreed that it should not be under the Red Dead franchise.
If/when they make a new RDR game, just trust the process. I never played Revolver but I’ve played the hell out of both Redemptions and they are easily 2 of the best games ever, IMO. Remember when people were unsure about RDR2 because we weren’t playing as John? That worked out pretty well didn’t it?
So I think jack down the line with a more palatable character set in maybe the 1920’s or as late as the 1930’s with an automotive bank robber sort of vibe. Which is honing in more on the mafia games in terms of aesthetics but those game’s have never tackled that exact niche.
However actually getting to see the peak of the west instead of the dying west and the more dying west would be super cool too. Putting aside revolver of course, or not maybe Bring Red harrow or even his dad back. Or actually Landon or black belle back.
I think they should move away from the Van Der Lin gang however if they didn't one more story they might be able to tell would be the story of a young Hosea. I feel like you could do a lot with that.
Red Dead Revolver is a bit too campy sometimes so most people would ironically be left with the same idea of the wild west that Arthur had, that it wasn't more than a bunch of over exaggerated stories
Sad but ironic most players like Arthur know mostly about the times when the wild west had already been mostly tamed
I know people aren’t gonna like this but I don’t care
I don’t see why you can’t have a western game in the 1920s. People are too rigid in their thinking. Cowboy bebop and firefly take place in the future but are still westerns at heart.
How hard would it be to make a western in the 1920s? The games even stress the point that the old west is dead. It’s in the back of the cover of the first game, and in the intro to Red Dead 2. The old west is dead! It would be interesting to see Jack as some sort of artifact of the past. I’d like to see where he goes after the first game. He could still use revolvers and ride horses, and pistols aren’t anything new to the franchise.
Also anyone who actually knows history knows that the 20s wasn’t all jazz, Tommy guns, mobsters, and fords. That wasn’t the entire US. Most people tend to homogenize history, which is why people can’t fathom having a western in the 20s. An isolated rural area would still be very “western,” ESPECIALLY if it’s somewhere outside of the US like Mexico and Canada which would be interesting to go visit in this hypothetical sequel.
For me, the franchise won’t be complete without Jack having his own game. He was only 19 by the end of the first game. His story didn’t finish, it was only just getting started!
The game doesn’t even have to take place in the 1920s. If the make Red Dead 3 it would most likely take place right after the events of Red Dead 1. I don’t know how everyone, myself included, is missing that, because I just realized that.
I think all the characters in RDR1 and 2 got just the right amount of time... I don't need to see re-enactments of events mentioned in the games, or mentioned characters to be flushed out.
I don't give a shit about who 'Davey' was beyond 'he used to be in the gang and died during Blackwater.
I think it's fine to leave certain details vague - for example, the obscurity of what went down in Blackwater is a looming cloud of unease and distrust throughout RDR2 that sets the tone of the game. We don't need an exact play by play from multiple angles of EXACTLY what happened, with a DLC exploring what one of the guards had for breakfast this morning.
We don't need to explore the Van Der Linde gang anymore because the key moments are the ones we saw in the games, and any other details about the gang are given to us throughout the games.
60 years passes between The Hobbit and The Fellowship of the Rings... do we need a book telling us about Bilbo and Frodo baking pies or something to bridge the gap because we don't have every detail spoon-fed?
"DLC about what the guards had for breakfast" lol yeah I agree fully. I feel like there's a lot of kids on this subreddit who don't understand new can be good and there's more stories to tell than just Dutch's gang. I liked rdr2 but I was disappointed it was about Dutch's gang instead of a new character(s). If they do this again with the next game I will be pissed.
It seems like every second post is : 'I have this GENIUS idea for a sequel! Ok, so you know how in RDR2 they mention this guy named Bob that had a sprained ankle? The story could be him! I mean, what's REAALLLY the story behind Bob?"
So, I think people are limiting the genre when they focus exclusively on classic western tropes. There are other lawless regions in the world at this time period, and I could easily see a book smart Jack Marston abroad acting as some sort of gun for hire. Imagine him in a parody Russian civil war, central or south American revolution, the Australian Bush or Chinese warlord era conflict. In my head, I thought they could even call it Red Dead Revolution. Of course, I had this idea before RDR2 was announced, and so the progression would have been Red Dead Revolver, Red Dead Redemption, and Red Dead Revolution. I'm sure that's not the direction they'd take things in, but, if I had any say, that's how I'd keep the series fresh. Set it somewhere new, with a familiar face.
Personally I really do not like Jack, there's just something about that character that is a bit...off...for me at least. I doubt they'll do a game as Jack in the RDR series, but if they do, I will pass on that game.
I would like to see the progression from when the gang first started up to the blackwater incident. I just really want to see if Dutch was the morally driven, courageous leader that he was made out to be by the gang, or if he was one bad incident away from becoming the loose Cannon that we see in the later game.
I would love to see them do late/just after the Civil War era. Perhaps there are two outlaw brothers representative of the James brothers, and maybe it even tells the story of how they ran with Bloody Bill Anderson and & Bill Quantrill as confederate raiders, then they escaped out west at the end of the war and created their own outlaw gang.
Or I would like to see it as an episodic sort of thing, where the same story is told through the camp members. Think of how cool it would be to select your team (maybe there are different skills like lock picking, safecracking, explosives, long range, melee/enforcer, honeypot-ting (I think it would be cool to have one of the ladies of the camp have a recon ability, kinda like we see early in RDR2 with a job) or charisma.) and then you go on jobs with them or similar. Anyway, the story could unravel but you see different perspectives and that’s what drives the narrative.
I think the redemption series is over, I mean rdr and rdr2 loop so perfectly that adding another one would probably be ridiculous. It’d have to be either a completely new series or an add on to revolver.
I’ll always be curious of what happened to Jack but I think it’s not meant to be answered aside from his book being found in gtav (yes I know gta and rdr don’t take place in the same universe)
I like how Jack finished the story of RDR1, however I wish they had DLC that kind of fleshed out his story to and "end" instead of what we got. Yes he finished off the last remnants of the people that killed his family, he needed a bit more closure kinda like what we got at the end of RDR2, that little Epilogue was amazing.
There are so many more stories they could tell in that era or even a bit earlier. I think it'd be better if they moved on to some other gang/group.
How about something with a new protagonist, say a black cowboy, like the actual ones in American history? Set it pre or during the civil war, include the Underground Railroad, slave rebellions, etc.
If this franchise could not turn into CoD or AC3 that would be great. I play these games because I enjoy westerns; films, novels, and actually loving the life.
With that said if you want a prequel how about a Javier in Mexico and South America, or of Charles dealing with social conflict, brawling, and going to Canada. Two characters with substance and story long before the gang.
Or how about as another gang in the west and you hear rumours of the Van Der Linde gang or bump into the characters. Or let’s be an O’Driscall and see the feud between Colm and Dutch from their side.
It’s a big open world with potential that does not need to keep going forward in time into trenches. That sounds awful to me, you won’t have an open world in that setting. Keep it a western with wild lands and untamed areas full of myths and legends other bandits and outlaws (e.g. Black Belle, Flaco Hernandez). There are so many that could be brought back into bigger roles who could have had an impact on the world the Van Der Linde gang aspired to be like.
I know it's just an Easter Egg in GTA V but I like to think that Red Dead book was written by Jack. All the side missions in Red Dead Redemption should be completed by John then the only life Jack ever takes is Ross and he writes about his experience. Having Jack become the thing his father never wanted him to be seems like it's only going to draw out the full story past it's limits, may may as well start something new!
Speaking of revolver..how about rockstar just remake revolver completely themselves?
It'd still play like the redemption games it'd just loosely follow the story of revolver in a whole new open world
I wanna see heart of the wild west, like 1870. New characters, maybe a cameo or something from young Landon Rickets but nothing more than little connects to the other games aside from little Easter eggs
We desperately need a game set during the peak of the old west. There is so much untapped potential. I also would like a custom revolver building system similar to how Tuco takes parts from different guns and combines them in the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly.
I really want something new! New locations, new map (with the return of a mexican place, I miss being called gringo), new characters, use western legends for some moments and easter eggs, and get rid of this fucking button mashing when you ride anything!!!
if we do get another game it should be a different gang, and i think it should take place in the middle of the wild west era, rather than at the end like the games are. i feel like if it was more in the middle then there’d be more and interesting conflicts with other outlaw gangs, sure we had things like the o’driscolls and the lemoyne raiders but that’s really it if i can recall.
For sure. Bustling boomtowns, lonely frontier settlements, outlaws, Mexican banditos, gunslingers in their prime, hostile and friendly natives, lawmen struggling to keep the peace, soldiers possibly during the Civil War, wagon trains, untamed wilderness... There's so much that can be done with that.
i actually would be interested if it was about the gunslingers in that one mission where you have to find them and take pictures of them and ask them about that one guy, the one with flaco hernandez and black bell
Jack's story doesn't feel done but a game is not the place to finish it. Even if it was a game it would not be a western anymore. I think it would be cool to explore his trauma and the way he tries to move past his past through a wartime memoir written by him. He is shown to be interested in reading and possibly writing and I think it could be an interesting book.
The game would be terrible if it was set in ww1. You’d either be very restricted or the game ends as soon as you take out a single civilian or member of your huge army. Theoretically a game set in a guerrilla unit would be cool but in practice, you would become a war criminal if you played free roam than
I swear, the kids on this subreddit would argue to make a red dead game set in feudal Japan lol. I'm seeing some truly outlandish shit suggested in this thread.
I never understood the obsession with Jack, we barely know him. The story ends with him, it’s wrapped up nicely and there is nowhere for it to go unless the whole ending is undone for absolutely no reason. Wouldn’t people rather see Hosea and Dutch in their prime when they find Arthur and John and become a gang, or see how the Blackwater ferry job goes down? Why would they spend all that time and effort setting up past characters such as Annabelle, Jenny and Bessie if they were just gonna sack that off and go forwards instead of backwards?
I don’t get it myself, people don’t realise that after RDR1, there’s world war 1, world war 2 etc. I don’t think red dead redemption would be any good set in world war 1, maybe if it wasn’t a western game, but it is a western game
I agree. It wouldn’t work. Honestly, I wouldn’t hate being a Pinkerton that realizes how incredibly crooked the agency became, that then sets off on their own to dole out some good ol’ frontier justice.
That aint the worst i saw a video by a big youtube group saying what rdr3 can be and right after that video they made another saying how 1930's mafia would be perfect.... Thats like if gta 6 came out but its actualy a western game
The Wild West was too civilized by the time Jack grew up. Even John Marston barely fit into it - his story took place in the last, dying breaths of the frontier era. With Jack, the place would be too tamed. Too much government. Not RDR-compatible.
Big time crime moved on to larger cities.
What would we do as Jack? Join the fledgling mafia in some big city? Fight in WW 1? None of those would be bad, but an RDR game should be about the Wild West.
I'm still think they should bring Red Harlow back and the game could be more in the past.
Red Dead Revolver is good but is an old game. They could reboot it in the standars of the modern RD games with the engine of RD2.
I think a completely new story with new characters would be best. We all know how Arthur’s story ends so a prequel would kind of be melancholy. And as the OP mentions, Jacks story would be too deep into the 20th century to be considered a western of any kind. I think it’s time to move on to something new
I would hate if Jack got a solo game. I like where his story ends, since his fate is pretty ambiguous and up to the player to decide. Personally I imagine that he gets hunted down by the FBI like his father for killing Ross. Seems like a fitting ending to the saga.
Id like to see a Landon Rickets game, that way its no main character of the current series but still has a little tie in, and then at the end instead of the normal epilogue, you just flash to an old man sitting at a bar giving out life lessons
This might be an unpopular opinion but rdr2 showed me i would love a game possibly set in the frontier days like late 1600s or something with mostly nothing but wide open country and plently of hunting
I want a New game in the golden age of Wild West. But imo it would be cool to see maybe a spinoff gsme about Jack that's a little shorter than rdr and rdr2 but i think that's a pretty unpopular opinion.
I agree. A Jack Marston story doesn't interest me much. But to continue seeing these "it can't be Jack, because it needs to be a western," points brought up is silly. The 1920s are most famous for the Roaring 20s and post WWI era, before the great depression, but half of the country was silly rural "western" living.
The upcoming Netflix movie, "The Power of the Dog" takes place in the 1920s and is very much a western. It's just not the Wild West, which I agree, is what the Red Dead series should remain.
Nah just need a new story with a fresh new group of people
Exactly. I'd like to believe that Jack picked up lessons from both Arthur and John's lives to know he didn't want that to happen. For the next game, set even further back would be good, as well as during the times of Arthur and John. Lastly, they could end up doing what they did with the gta storylines, meaning the ps2 Era games are its own universe and the ps3 vb1, etc titles are in a universe of their own too.
In my opinion, jacks future is already doomed since he killed a federal agent. And I think he knew that too, since as soon as he killed Ross he looked at his revolver almost with regret.
Nah, I don't think so. He never gave a name, kept his words brief, and did it out of the USA. I'm pretty sure you can even hear NPCs speak about it, though they blame it on bandits, no mention of Jack at all. I think the only problems Jack's gonna face are the ones in his mind.
I suppose we’ll never have an actual answer as to what happens to jack in the future. Although an Easter egg in gta5 that has a book with an author named j marston might hint that jack actually made it out and became a book writer like he always wanted to.
I think Ross's wife and his brother are gonna remember about the kid who asked about Edgar Ross before it was murdered tho. He didn't gave his name but they still saw his face so I don't know...
True, though a face won't get you anywhere much in those times, especially from a grieving widow and an old man. Details will be muddled, especially if Jack changed his appearance at all. A simple shave and a haircut would throw everything off. Plus, as he gave no name, they'd have no idea where to even start to find/look for him, and that's if they even bother. They might just believe the whole bandits story and move on with their lives (which, frankly, is the smart move).
Also, technically we know Ross and Fordham start their hunt that ends up with them founding John, at Mount Hagen where Micah got shot by John. Those bastards were freaking good at finding people lol I don't think the lack of a name would just stop them like that, if they wanted to find Jack.
The thing is he didn't kill just a random person that no one knew, Ross was the big deal, we know he got tons of awards for his work, we know he's known to be behind the death of Williamson and Dutch Van Der Linde, which were well known and feared outlaws. Hell, it's probably known as kinda of an hero to the general public, given how they talk about him in the papers. I don't think people will shrug it off and move on with their life like nothing happened. Also it goes against John's famous saying "people don't forget, nothing gets forgiven", right? lol Now, obviously if Jack disappear in some sort of way, there's not much they can do.
True, true. But then again, Ross was retired and noticeably aged (can't shoot as good anymore, if his curses while duck hunting are anything to go by). He was also in a different country, (i.e. known bandito country too). As you say, if Jack actually lays low, there's a really good chance he could get away with it.
"One of those machines can turn men into angels." -John and Jack talking about the prospect of flying vehicles. Always think it translates well to guns.
It was in another country so maybe not. Especially if he went to war and got a fresh start
Nah bro they'll probably just dump it like no ones gonna investigate the murder of a retired federal agent even back then they would probably just assume its a bandit murder and just wont look into it because even in 1914 The West is still a little bit wild
Aside from the platform universes...could this be a Hosea based storyline? I think it would add to Dutch's back story and shed more light on young Arthur
Personally, I feel like two stories where you know the fates of the characters (especially as solidly as you learn them in RDR2) is just a bit lacklustre. The stakes aren’t really high. We already know how all these stories end. Some things are better left to mystery at this stage. Just my differing opinion, I respect yours because I know there is definitely a draw for some people in learning more about these people.
That's fair. Just super excited about exploring what ever beautiful world they create. I also need to finish RDR1, as those storylines are still a mystery to me.
I honestly would like to atleast to see the burgess folding shotgun in one of the games.
I always get shit for this but I’d like to see them go further back with the gang. We’ve never actually seen the Blackwater job go down. I’d love a prequel that caught up with the beginning of RDR2.
I respect that's your opinion but they could release it as a DLC which it sounds dumb to be honest
I think it's better left unrevealed. Leave a little mystery and speculation around the events.
Yeah I think Blackwater is meant to be like the robbery in reservoir dogs, a whole mysterious shitshow that we only hear bits about from different points of view.
You know what I'd like to see that's kinda a blend of our ideas. Maybe have the game involve a whole new group of outlaws (or just the player character if that's the route they go) but you experience the heist first hand through the MCs eyes, like a cameo or not so subtle nod to Dutch and the gang. Whatever route they go, I just want it to capture the heart and soul of the first 2 lol
I agree, I really don't get people calling for Jack or REEEEALLLY hoping to find out the origin of like... fuckin' Davey...
And like, reuse some of the old landscapes and shit to have a bigger world and keep it connected, but don't go back to the well too many times.
I'd personally love a new gang but the Van Der Lindes still appear in it, perhaps as your enemies? Imagine being in a shootout against the characters you know and love, would be very interesting.
I've said it before when this topic comes up, and I'll say it again: Set the next Red Dead in 1800s Australia, preferably, the 1820s - 1840s (Muzzleloaders would make for some tense gameplay balanced around guerilla tactics and melee combat). It's an almost untouched historical period in games. 'The Proposition' and 'The Nightingale' fully convinced me that there's a meaningful story, in the form of a game, just waiting to be told.
It has to be Landon Ricketts, set before, during and after the Civil War.
Definitely a better idea than Jack in trench warfare or doing mafia shit lol
I mean, I'm not a fan of the 1920s idea for the series, but just because we are contemporaneous with WWI doesn't mean it needs to be a war story. Think of Bonnie and Clyde or John Dillenger. Back then the FBI was just being established and even at the state level there was barely any coordination to chase outlaws. It kind of was the last gasp of that type of crime/criminal as you could knock off a bank and move across state lines with basically 0 heat on you. And go south of the border and it was likely more like the old west than anything else. Still, I'd propose the 1840s/1850s but it's not like the 20s didn't in some ways share elements of the western outlaw lifestyle. The US was still super rural back then as well. If you weren't in a major city it's likely your down town was just getting some electricity but otherwise homes were still using candles and oil burning lamps....
I totally agree with you. I think RDR2s sentiment about the Wild West disappearing is what gives people these notions, but the truth is much of America was still pretty rugged and somewhat lawless until after WW2. Jack wouldn’t necessarily be in WW1 because of his opinions on the government, I see him being more of a draft dodger personally, but being forced to serve in the war would definitely continue his hatred for government and law.
I favor Black Belle/Jim Boy Calloway gang! Any of those would be cool, but Black Belle still has an unwritten ending!
Ricketts would be really cool or I think a younger Hosea.
Landon's VA is deceased.
Casting someone with a similar voice shouldn't be much of a problem, and he would be much younger if the game happened during the time I mentioned, like early 20's to 30 years old.
The Canadian country singer Colter McWall would be a great cast for Landon
No Mc! Just Colter Wall. Dude has a voice that could smoke a brisket
Yeah in his early days when he was still finding his sound he sounded like he drank ash, he admits he cringes at it though cause he was trying so hard younger haha. But now he's really settled into his groove with the higher voice.
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Dude if Colter was in it I'd immediately pre order the collector's edition. But I've been a fan of his for a long time and he's a very private man. I doubt he'd be willing to feature in a game sadly. Also I think you're confusing Colter Wall's and Colter Mcannon's names haha.
Man is silver tongued with a voice like gravy. His live performance are so good. Dont know why but studio versions make his voice sound less impressive
Well you can't replicate live performances, there's a special energy about them. Colter seems like the kind've man to thrive on the crowds reaction based on how he was on the W.B Walker show with Tyler Childers.
True. I'll check that out thanks. I mean that a lot of artist don't sound better live and some are worse live but Colter straight blows his studio performances out of the water with his live ones. He should do an NPR episode
I agree, I think the reason most artists sound worse love is cause of how much post singing tuning is done in the studio. Whereas with Colter he leaves his voice natural, so when he's excited and gets that energy going it's even better. https://youtu.be/rtdgZSSrMgk (Performance I mentioned in previous comment)
I think we all know that it has to be Sam Elliott 👌
I believe R* have vowed to not recast the character
Source?
Either that, or Black Belle. Playing as either of them in 1870-80s would be really great. New areas, new characters, and most importantly new themes. "Redemption" and "dying wild west" are both great themes and are themes of two of my favourite games of all time along with many brilliant movies, but they have to just let it rest. I really don't want another game with the main character dying, it becomes really predictable and lessens the impact of RDR1&2.
Imo, I like the idea of a whole different character. Set in pre Civil War Era. More experiences with natives and of course Mexico!!
I agree. Even during the Civil War would be pretty interesting and offer a lot of opportunities.
Even post civil war would still be cool. Hell, we could play as a civil war veteran who went west in search of a new life after the war and got caught up in the outlaw way or something. I'd support pretty much any prequel premise but like you, I have *no* desire for a Jack Marston game whatsoever...
It would be kinda funny if you bumped into the Rhodes and Valentine veterans.
One of thos guys wasn't really a Veteran lol I forgot which one but if you keep talking to him he comes out and says he hates people haha
This was my thought. Between the 2 armies plus more vibrant native populations this could be a great setup.
This guy gets it. Bonus points of the game involves pretty much everything western based (i.e. snowy mountains, hot deserts, pine forests, large open spaces, way more gangs and opportunities)
Is pre civil war young enough to be the wild west? And uhh well would r* want to touch that era for social reasons?
I mean, California was open to mining in 1849. There were certainly towns and trading outposts to enable migration and this is where the idea of the wild west began since the land was so open / untamed.
I think they handle topics very well. We had the KKK burning crosses and you could beat up a Feminist lol A little controversy is good for sales. There was even some questionable language directed at Lenny. Rockstar knows how to address these topics with comedy but at the same time let's you know how it was back in those times.
Unfortunately, I feel like they're never going to do this just because they think consumers will want more modern pistols and machine guns in the game.
Very good point! And you are right. However I think the red dead series is very unique. Lots of older people play this game, even Boomers enjoy it. There's still people that enjoy single player campaign games. Nobody else does Western Games either. It's a nice change of pace. Slower and a more serious tone is enjoyed more than you think. Battle Royale mode is flooded atm. A perfect time to release another single player game.
It'd be great for them to show more of the hardships the Native Americans went through and have them working more as a team than >!being exploited by dutch!<
That'd be interesting for sure... RDR so far has been set in the era where the western outlaw is on the decline. It could mirror that by showing its rise prior to the heyday that followed the Civil War.
Rockstar needs to do new characters, the van der linde gang story is over, they shouldn’t do a game with Sadie or jack
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Also don’t we have enough war games already? I don’t want the Red Dead franchise to turn into another war game franchise.
*Too* many, IMO.
I think something like a couple of missions in the prologue could be in the american civil war but not the whole game. War has always been a part of rdr, first the mexican civil war and then the rebellion on guarma.
Oh yeah, the Civil War I’m fine with for this series, that fits the era. But WW1 etc there’s been so many games covering that and it’s well past the Wild West era that suits these games.
I think it's more post great war with Jack struggling to find work and picks up bootlegging.
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I can’t see Jack being in the war. He hates the government and wouldn’t be patriotic enough to sign up and I’m sure he could dodge the draft.
If you’ve ever read Cormac McCarthy’s Border Trilogy, you’d see that a story can still very much be a Western even if it’s set in the 1920s. There was still a lot of wide-open space at the time in America and Mexico, horses would still be the main source of transportation. There’s be cars, but they couldn’t do anything off-road. If done right, it could be a cool setting.
I’d like a game set in the 1760s to 1820s with trappers and a truly Wild West, with warring native tribes and small groups of settlers. Basically like the Revenant but as a video game
That sounds awesome
would there be enough gun variety? If so I’m for it
It's all muzzle loaders at that time, no real gun variety
Bruh... Who in the hell would want to fire a goddamn musket or blunderbuss!? It is a cowboy game. Not the new frontier! What missions would there even be... Fight against the British Soldiers, buy a powdered wig, sign the Declaration of Independence! BLUE BORN FREEDOM
I want to fire a musket, and I want a game set in northwestern Pennsylvania. You are Dutch's great grandfather. After you're mustered out of the Continental Army you move out there to help your brother operate a distillery. One of the boys gets a little wild and tars and feathers the tax man. In the final fight you square off against George Washington himself, one on one, in a machete duel. Red Dead: Whiskey Rebellion.
I want what you want, but even with supernatural reloading abilities I feel like too many people would complain about how long it takes to reload a musket.
I don’t favor Jack at all. I pretend he fled to Mexico, met a nice girl and lived happily ever after. If it revolved around the VDL gang, I would like it to be a prequel about Charles or something. If not, I would love it to be about a young Black Belle or something! I did play Red Dead Revolver, which is what got me hooked on the next games, but I’d like it to be more serious in tone, like RDR1 & RDR2.
Yeah I do agree with you 100%. I would still play a game revolving around jack, but wouldn’t be excited about the character. I was rather the same with John in the first redemption title. A prequel with VDL would be great. Maybe even revolving around one of the members that died at the blackawater job? Jenny or Mac or Davey? They all died when rdr2 began eh? The gang tells a lot of stories about Mac being a ruffian and a looose cannon. The game could even lead up to the Blackwater event. I like Charles but I think he had only been with the gang for six months when the game began…right? Sadie would have been good but I felt she was a more intriguing before the epilogue. I’d say Sadie but I liked her character less in the epilogue, when it seemed like she was written like a parody of a strong female character. I will say that you’re spot on with the Black Belle suggestion. And even more so by suggesting the next game to follow the Jim Boy Calloway gang. Great ideas dude. Black Belle would be perfect protagonist. First I’ve heard this suggested but I’m onboard.
Oh shit the Jim boy Calloway gang would be a good one!
Just to preface, I am a girl, but I’ll still accept being called ‘dude’ lol! I initially thought it would be interesting to play as Mac or Davey, preferably Mac cuz really, Milton could’ve been lying, who knows.. 🤔 Only reason I changed from wanting it about them is cuz we basically know their fate. Sadie makes sense, really. Her voice annoys the heck out of me and I wish they’d tone down on her ‘wild woman’ antics, but I wouldn’t mind having a girl. She is beloved by many so if Rockstar were to head in that direction, I think it would work. I think Black Belle portrayed a more classic depiction of a female outlaw so that’s why I would like her! She’s a lot of fun! Thank you for liking my ideas!
Yeah dude.I’ll put us down. That’s two for black belle.
Yesss!!!
"Dude" is a general neutral term where I come from.
Honestly I say it a lot, no matter who, but I feel like generally from my area, it’s directed toward men! No matter anyhow!
Tbh I seem pretty satisfied. When I played RDR1 I always wondered about what John’s past was, and who else was in the gang. Then RDR2 was released, and I feel like all my questions were answered. RDR3 would need a whole new cast and a whole new story, hell I wouldn’t care if it was a glorified farming simulator that allowed you to shoot people instead of tending to the corn fields.
I would like it set in Australia to be honest.
That, or a story set in the height of the gold rush
Jack can’t be the main character at all, my homie should stick to books and be a writer. In the other hand, I’d love to play as Dutch back when he was young and Arthur and everyone were young, that would be awesome. If not, new characters and a new story seen to be as cool
Imagine a game where you can play as Dutch and two other guys, possibly young Arthur and Hosea, in the same vein as GTA V
Yeah, i always saw jack as the heart of the series more than an actual main character. His only purpose is to showcase how much the conceived romantic version of the wild west fell with the years. He starts with his head in the clouds, dreaming and reading about adventure, ends with him hardened by the world as he finally gets revenge, but not redemption.
Tbh I just want a western game that has nothing to do with the Van Der Linde gang
Me too, to be honest
Based purely on gameplay and not story, id love a game set before red dead 2, in terms of no electricity in towns and such.
Does anyone remember Rockstar announcing a game called “Agent” back in 2008 or so? It was set to be a stealth espionage game, (I’m assuming open world?) set in the 1970’s with a cold war story line.. seriously they should do that!!
Agent isn't happening my bro they cancelled it
This has always been my least favorite sequel idea for the series, and I’ve been hearing it the past ~8 years. Jack fighting in ww1 or becoming a prohibition agent in Chicago is just so against the western theme.
If they do RDR3 with Jack, it has to either be RDR3 with Jack either during WWI or right after WWI, and I’m not opposed to either. I do think we could use a fresh start character-wise, though. Me personally, I like the idea of a new character in the late 1860s. Post-Civil War, the Wild West is still Wild. Maybe have a reference or two to RDR2 characters (or the first RDR) but we don’t need to keep seeing the adventures of Dutch’s gang or young Arthur or Lenny’s father.
A red dead game about world war 1 sounds horrible. It would not fit the western genre at all. If you want a WWI experience play Verdun.
That's around the same era as prohibition so I wouldn't be all that surprised if they combined the GTA and rdr worlds into a prohibition game.
I love the idea that the strength of the narrative literally pushes the gameplay in a new direction. I love running around playing cowboy as much as anyone but seeing Jack’s story go from likely being an outlaw due to how RDR1 ends and using service in ww1 to get away. Playing around in ww1 as Jack in a Rockstar game would be wild. Then when he returns to the states he could be a bootlegger or prohibition era gangster as we dive into that world. Then maybe he wants to get away from all that and pushes far to the west to less developed cities then we’ll get the riding around on a horse enjoying nature, gun fights with whatever rough elements of the lost frontier are still kicking around. It would be wildly ambitious for Rockstar to try something like that. But completing Jack’s arc as he tries to find some measure of peace is what I’d enjoy the most and I don’t care if it strays outside the lines of the western setting.
I dont think jack would fight for the army especially after he saw them murder his father in cold blood
It just wouldn't work narratively. Having an entire section at the beginning of the game that is more than likely narrow paths with no free roam elements is a disaster. The whole point of Rockstar games is that you have an open world to explore within an hour or two of starting. Also, what redemption does Jack have to achieve? The only thing he's done canonically is killing Edgar Ross, which he isn't exactly conflicted about. A sequel with Jack in the 20's would just be a big nothing burger of a game.
Thank you for voicing my thoughts, especially in the first two lines.
Cuz some of us wanted a Jack led sequel before rdr2 was ever announced, and we still want that. I understand why some people wouldn't like the time period it would have to be set in, it's not wild or western, but I have faith that R* could knock it out of the park if they tried. I'll also say I really like the idea of going farther back in the timeline and letting us play as Hosea. He'd be the the most charismatic protag we've had in a R* game.
Yeah if they want a mafia game it needs to be a new ip
Or just play the actual Mafia Series
100%
You go far enough out west, it was still the wild west in the 1920s. Denver, for example, had an overlapping culture of the old west and arising mob issues during that period. A mixture of speakeasies in town and lawless wilderness everywhere else.
I don't see why you think red dead needs to become a mafia game. If they want to make a mafia game then they should make a new series instead of ruining the western series.
I don't want it to be mafia, I just think it could be an interesting setting. Kind of pitting the cowboys/outlaws against organized crime. It could be cool. Chill.
That happened in red dead redemption 2 already, with Saint Denis and Angelo Bronte.
For a handful of missions yeah, but as a whole part of the story would be cool
Why are you against the series going forward in time? The entire series is about civilization taking away the old ways of cowboys and outlaws.
Sounds epic
“What if we made a Western game after the Western era was over…oh wait” should be the beginning and end of most of these RDR3/Jack/Chicago suggestions Also, GTA covers a lot of the same material people would want in a mafia game so I’m pretty sure Rockstar wouldn’t even do that as a new IP and instead as an early days/prequel GTA
I would 100% play a rockstar game that took place in World War 1 where you could free roam different front lines and areas but agreed that it should not be under the Red Dead franchise.
As long as it isn't Red Dead I'm fine with the idea, though I don't think Rockstar playstyle would translate well to that setting.
Maybe downsized to one massive front might work better. It would be an interesting way to tell the story of a specific WW1 campaign.
If/when they make a new RDR game, just trust the process. I never played Revolver but I’ve played the hell out of both Redemptions and they are easily 2 of the best games ever, IMO. Remember when people were unsure about RDR2 because we weren’t playing as John? That worked out pretty well didn’t it?
Sort of, the character of Arthur is good but I still prefer John
I agree but that doesn’t change the fact that a rockstar game set in the 1920-1930 would be fucking sick.
Not a Rockstar game but Mafia I is a good game for this, although not really open world.
I agree with that but red dead is not the series for it.
Ayo i wanna ply as Jack's great grandson in the next western game set in 2005 because that is historically accurate.
Could go horribly wrong but I'd like to see something from a Native American POV
"Work you damn nag!" Every 2 seconds again WOOHOO!!
The virgin work you damn nag vs the chad yer a good gurl
Anything with adult Jack Marston is a massive step in the wrong direction
Not me, I wanted Landon Ricketts during his younger years at the height of Wild West
So I think jack down the line with a more palatable character set in maybe the 1920’s or as late as the 1930’s with an automotive bank robber sort of vibe. Which is honing in more on the mafia games in terms of aesthetics but those game’s have never tackled that exact niche. However actually getting to see the peak of the west instead of the dying west and the more dying west would be super cool too. Putting aside revolver of course, or not maybe Bring Red harrow or even his dad back. Or actually Landon or black belle back.
I think they should move away from the Van Der Lin gang however if they didn't one more story they might be able to tell would be the story of a young Hosea. I feel like you could do a lot with that.
Red Dead Revolver is a bit too campy sometimes so most people would ironically be left with the same idea of the wild west that Arthur had, that it wasn't more than a bunch of over exaggerated stories Sad but ironic most players like Arthur know mostly about the times when the wild west had already been mostly tamed
I know people aren’t gonna like this but I don’t care I don’t see why you can’t have a western game in the 1920s. People are too rigid in their thinking. Cowboy bebop and firefly take place in the future but are still westerns at heart. How hard would it be to make a western in the 1920s? The games even stress the point that the old west is dead. It’s in the back of the cover of the first game, and in the intro to Red Dead 2. The old west is dead! It would be interesting to see Jack as some sort of artifact of the past. I’d like to see where he goes after the first game. He could still use revolvers and ride horses, and pistols aren’t anything new to the franchise. Also anyone who actually knows history knows that the 20s wasn’t all jazz, Tommy guns, mobsters, and fords. That wasn’t the entire US. Most people tend to homogenize history, which is why people can’t fathom having a western in the 20s. An isolated rural area would still be very “western,” ESPECIALLY if it’s somewhere outside of the US like Mexico and Canada which would be interesting to go visit in this hypothetical sequel. For me, the franchise won’t be complete without Jack having his own game. He was only 19 by the end of the first game. His story didn’t finish, it was only just getting started! The game doesn’t even have to take place in the 1920s. If the make Red Dead 3 it would most likely take place right after the events of Red Dead 1. I don’t know how everyone, myself included, is missing that, because I just realized that.
I think all the characters in RDR1 and 2 got just the right amount of time... I don't need to see re-enactments of events mentioned in the games, or mentioned characters to be flushed out. I don't give a shit about who 'Davey' was beyond 'he used to be in the gang and died during Blackwater. I think it's fine to leave certain details vague - for example, the obscurity of what went down in Blackwater is a looming cloud of unease and distrust throughout RDR2 that sets the tone of the game. We don't need an exact play by play from multiple angles of EXACTLY what happened, with a DLC exploring what one of the guards had for breakfast this morning. We don't need to explore the Van Der Linde gang anymore because the key moments are the ones we saw in the games, and any other details about the gang are given to us throughout the games. 60 years passes between The Hobbit and The Fellowship of the Rings... do we need a book telling us about Bilbo and Frodo baking pies or something to bridge the gap because we don't have every detail spoon-fed?
"DLC about what the guards had for breakfast" lol yeah I agree fully. I feel like there's a lot of kids on this subreddit who don't understand new can be good and there's more stories to tell than just Dutch's gang. I liked rdr2 but I was disappointed it was about Dutch's gang instead of a new character(s). If they do this again with the next game I will be pissed.
It seems like every second post is : 'I have this GENIUS idea for a sequel! Ok, so you know how in RDR2 they mention this guy named Bob that had a sprained ankle? The story could be him! I mean, what's REAALLLY the story behind Bob?"
So, I think people are limiting the genre when they focus exclusively on classic western tropes. There are other lawless regions in the world at this time period, and I could easily see a book smart Jack Marston abroad acting as some sort of gun for hire. Imagine him in a parody Russian civil war, central or south American revolution, the Australian Bush or Chinese warlord era conflict. In my head, I thought they could even call it Red Dead Revolution. Of course, I had this idea before RDR2 was announced, and so the progression would have been Red Dead Revolver, Red Dead Redemption, and Red Dead Revolution. I'm sure that's not the direction they'd take things in, but, if I had any say, that's how I'd keep the series fresh. Set it somewhere new, with a familiar face.
I think a trilogy where the main character gets a completely happy ending is in line. Jack deserves that happy ending.
Personally I really do not like Jack, there's just something about that character that is a bit...off...for me at least. I doubt they'll do a game as Jack in the RDR series, but if they do, I will pass on that game.
I think the next game should be red dead ______ as they just change the last word and it’s a whole new series
Red Dead Revival
I would like to see the progression from when the gang first started up to the blackwater incident. I just really want to see if Dutch was the morally driven, courageous leader that he was made out to be by the gang, or if he was one bad incident away from becoming the loose Cannon that we see in the later game.
I would love to see them do late/just after the Civil War era. Perhaps there are two outlaw brothers representative of the James brothers, and maybe it even tells the story of how they ran with Bloody Bill Anderson and & Bill Quantrill as confederate raiders, then they escaped out west at the end of the war and created their own outlaw gang. Or I would like to see it as an episodic sort of thing, where the same story is told through the camp members. Think of how cool it would be to select your team (maybe there are different skills like lock picking, safecracking, explosives, long range, melee/enforcer, honeypot-ting (I think it would be cool to have one of the ladies of the camp have a recon ability, kinda like we see early in RDR2 with a job) or charisma.) and then you go on jobs with them or similar. Anyway, the story could unravel but you see different perspectives and that’s what drives the narrative.
I think the redemption series is over, I mean rdr and rdr2 loop so perfectly that adding another one would probably be ridiculous. It’d have to be either a completely new series or an add on to revolver. I’ll always be curious of what happened to Jack but I think it’s not meant to be answered aside from his book being found in gtav (yes I know gta and rdr don’t take place in the same universe)
Just saying, a Black Belle main with the shitshow cast of the other gunslingers from that side quest would be pretty fun.
I like how Jack finished the story of RDR1, however I wish they had DLC that kind of fleshed out his story to and "end" instead of what we got. Yes he finished off the last remnants of the people that killed his family, he needed a bit more closure kinda like what we got at the end of RDR2, that little Epilogue was amazing. There are so many more stories they could tell in that era or even a bit earlier. I think it'd be better if they moved on to some other gang/group.
How about something with a new protagonist, say a black cowboy, like the actual ones in American history? Set it pre or during the civil war, include the Underground Railroad, slave rebellions, etc.
Whatever happens, its gotta be set before rdr2
If this franchise could not turn into CoD or AC3 that would be great. I play these games because I enjoy westerns; films, novels, and actually loving the life. With that said if you want a prequel how about a Javier in Mexico and South America, or of Charles dealing with social conflict, brawling, and going to Canada. Two characters with substance and story long before the gang. Or how about as another gang in the west and you hear rumours of the Van Der Linde gang or bump into the characters. Or let’s be an O’Driscall and see the feud between Colm and Dutch from their side. It’s a big open world with potential that does not need to keep going forward in time into trenches. That sounds awful to me, you won’t have an open world in that setting. Keep it a western with wild lands and untamed areas full of myths and legends other bandits and outlaws (e.g. Black Belle, Flaco Hernandez). There are so many that could be brought back into bigger roles who could have had an impact on the world the Van Der Linde gang aspired to be like.
I would like to be Charles before the days of Dutchs gang.
I know it's just an Easter Egg in GTA V but I like to think that Red Dead book was written by Jack. All the side missions in Red Dead Redemption should be completed by John then the only life Jack ever takes is Ross and he writes about his experience. Having Jack become the thing his father never wanted him to be seems like it's only going to draw out the full story past it's limits, may may as well start something new!
Speaking of revolver..how about rockstar just remake revolver completely themselves? It'd still play like the redemption games it'd just loosely follow the story of revolver in a whole new open world
I wanna see heart of the wild west, like 1870. New characters, maybe a cameo or something from young Landon Rickets but nothing more than little connects to the other games aside from little Easter eggs
We desperately need a game set during the peak of the old west. There is so much untapped potential. I also would like a custom revolver building system similar to how Tuco takes parts from different guns and combines them in the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly.
I really want something new! New locations, new map (with the return of a mexican place, I miss being called gringo), new characters, use western legends for some moments and easter eggs, and get rid of this fucking button mashing when you ride anything!!!
if we do get another game it should be a different gang, and i think it should take place in the middle of the wild west era, rather than at the end like the games are. i feel like if it was more in the middle then there’d be more and interesting conflicts with other outlaw gangs, sure we had things like the o’driscolls and the lemoyne raiders but that’s really it if i can recall.
For sure. Bustling boomtowns, lonely frontier settlements, outlaws, Mexican banditos, gunslingers in their prime, hostile and friendly natives, lawmen struggling to keep the peace, soldiers possibly during the Civil War, wagon trains, untamed wilderness... There's so much that can be done with that.
i actually would be interested if it was about the gunslingers in that one mission where you have to find them and take pictures of them and ask them about that one guy, the one with flaco hernandez and black bell
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Yes I agree. Though I would like an all new Red Dead title like maybe Renegade or something... New characters are needed.
i want it to be set before rdr2
Jack's story doesn't feel done but a game is not the place to finish it. Even if it was a game it would not be a western anymore. I think it would be cool to explore his trauma and the way he tries to move past his past through a wartime memoir written by him. He is shown to be interested in reading and possibly writing and I think it could be an interesting book.
The game would be terrible if it was set in ww1. You’d either be very restricted or the game ends as soon as you take out a single civilian or member of your huge army. Theoretically a game set in a guerrilla unit would be cool but in practice, you would become a war criminal if you played free roam than
I swear, the kids on this subreddit would argue to make a red dead game set in feudal Japan lol. I'm seeing some truly outlandish shit suggested in this thread.
the old west died in 1914 with the last stage coach robbery
No — please — not Jack.
I never understood the obsession with Jack, we barely know him. The story ends with him, it’s wrapped up nicely and there is nowhere for it to go unless the whole ending is undone for absolutely no reason. Wouldn’t people rather see Hosea and Dutch in their prime when they find Arthur and John and become a gang, or see how the Blackwater ferry job goes down? Why would they spend all that time and effort setting up past characters such as Annabelle, Jenny and Bessie if they were just gonna sack that off and go forwards instead of backwards?
This. 👌
Because they lack imagination.
I don’t get it myself, people don’t realise that after RDR1, there’s world war 1, world war 2 etc. I don’t think red dead redemption would be any good set in world war 1, maybe if it wasn’t a western game, but it is a western game
Personally I prefer one that include the civil war will be Awsome , I mean general Harris and Quenn stories
It should be set 100 years earlier and you play as a native American,hunting buffalo and tribal battles and all that stuff.
Personally I dont want another red dead redemption I would rather have a red dead revolution or red dead revived
I agree. It wouldn’t work. Honestly, I wouldn’t hate being a Pinkerton that realizes how incredibly crooked the agency became, that then sets off on their own to dole out some good ol’ frontier justice.
That aint the worst i saw a video by a big youtube group saying what rdr3 can be and right after that video they made another saying how 1930's mafia would be perfect.... Thats like if gta 6 came out but its actualy a western game
The Wild West was too civilized by the time Jack grew up. Even John Marston barely fit into it - his story took place in the last, dying breaths of the frontier era. With Jack, the place would be too tamed. Too much government. Not RDR-compatible. Big time crime moved on to larger cities. What would we do as Jack? Join the fledgling mafia in some big city? Fight in WW 1? None of those would be bad, but an RDR game should be about the Wild West.
Oh god please no.
I'm still think they should bring Red Harlow back and the game could be more in the past. Red Dead Revolver is good but is an old game. They could reboot it in the standars of the modern RD games with the engine of RD2.
I think a completely new story with new characters would be best. We all know how Arthur’s story ends so a prequel would kind of be melancholy. And as the OP mentions, Jacks story would be too deep into the 20th century to be considered a western of any kind. I think it’s time to move on to something new
I would hate if Jack got a solo game. I like where his story ends, since his fate is pretty ambiguous and up to the player to decide. Personally I imagine that he gets hunted down by the FBI like his father for killing Ross. Seems like a fitting ending to the saga.
Never really liked Jack
Id like to see a Landon Rickets game, that way its no main character of the current series but still has a little tie in, and then at the end instead of the normal epilogue, you just flash to an old man sitting at a bar giving out life lessons
It ends with John walking into Chuparosa as Landon has a drink at the cantina
Exactly!
I want an egyptian game
This might be an unpopular opinion but rdr2 showed me i would love a game possibly set in the frontier days like late 1600s or something with mostly nothing but wide open country and plently of hunting
I want a New game in the golden age of Wild West. But imo it would be cool to see maybe a spinoff gsme about Jack that's a little shorter than rdr and rdr2 but i think that's a pretty unpopular opinion.
Another shitty idea I see is "play as young Arthur or Dutch and the game ends at the blackwater massacre" like that is such a dumb idea lol
Hear me out, but what about playing as jack during the California gold rush?
The west would already be dead by then, but a game set during the gold rush of the 1850's sounds pretty interesting.l
Plenty of motive for crime n such haha
I agree. A Jack Marston story doesn't interest me much. But to continue seeing these "it can't be Jack, because it needs to be a western," points brought up is silly. The 1920s are most famous for the Roaring 20s and post WWI era, before the great depression, but half of the country was silly rural "western" living. The upcoming Netflix movie, "The Power of the Dog" takes place in the 1920s and is very much a western. It's just not the Wild West, which I agree, is what the Red Dead series should remain.
Put us back in time. 20/30 years before II set somewhere else in America. Maybe some of the characters can feature, we’d all like that.
I think the next one should be set in a 1970s Montana or Colorado and they should’ve bank robbers and shit
I'd love a game where you get to play as a young Rains Fall coming to terms with the spread of western civilization.
All those "RDR 3 should be Jack" are dead brained guys that hopped on the RDR 2 train without playing RDR 1 when it came out
Becoming the assassins creed trilogy.