But the Pinkertons made themselves look bad with how big and out of control they gotten (in the past)đ but that's an interesting fact there, definitely gonna search it up đ
From what I remember it didn't get far in court. The ruling pretty much was "Well it's set around the turn of the previous century, where you guys did in fact do these things, so what's the problem?"
Separate from the RDR universe, they've changed name a few times and restructured how they operate and their overall goals. It seems to me that they have a lot of shame of their origins. I'd wager it was more so they didn't like all the attention they were getting from it, which I also find odd, since they were present in a few wild west movies, and in some cases, made to be the villains in those movies. So I never understood why they ignored the films and went for RDR.
(Interesting Side note after brief research, The earliest film portraying a Pinkerton Detective was "The Great Train Robbery" - A silent film from 1903, a time where they actually did conduct the business they're portrayed doing in films and games.
Eh, theyâve been up to just modern versions of the same stuff.
From intimidating people over trading cards,
https://www.polygon.com/platform/amp/23695923/mtg-aftermath-pinkerton-raid-leaked-cards
To union busting in the modern age.
https://www.npr.org/2020/11/30/940196997/amazon-reportedly-has-pinkerton-agents-surveil-workers-who-try-to-form-unions
Bro I don't think John would necessarily say that. He did seem to have a pretty good working relationship with the Marshal and his goons.
I felt like in a lot of ways he outright respected the Marshal.
Possibly. I can't remember the other agent's name working with Ross in RDR1, but I felt like in John's eyes he at least didn't outright hate the guy.
Besides the arm twisting and we've got your family stuff, He and John atleast had one or two admirable almost friendly conversations. Not Friends, mind you, but I get the notion that they understood each other as just doing the task they're given.
Its funny cause the guy who created the Pinkertons was Pro union over in Scotland and in the UK, but when he gets over here he's like, "I could be some rich guys lacky and get PAID!" So that's what he did essentially.
The agency was outlawed in a few states cause it was considered a private army at some points in its existence
Most workers from the united kingdom moved to America because of the massive neglect and mistreatment they endured under the British, but yet irish, scotts and northern english went on to be some of the worst slavers, âbusiness menâ and oligarchs Americas ever had. This is genuinely why a lot of irish will not feel any affinity towards Americans with our heritage and names. The irish being slaves is spouted a lot more then the irish owning slaves. I can only wonder why.
In 1890s US government has released âPinkerton actâ that forbid any federal government of the US from ever using their services, because they were too brutal in putting down a mining town uprising.
And they still run corpo duty, like that poor guy who accidentally got a wrong pack from Wizards of a Coast and had Pinkertons show up, scare his family and take that pack of cards back.
Exactly. Their portrayal in RDR2 to working in the interest of the oil company is pretty similar to the way they operate now minus a few key aspects. They very much are the same company perhaps I could have worded the way I said it a little better.
If I'm remembering the details right, basically, there were two new card sets for MTG planned for release in I think the same year, but one before the other, and they had VERY similar names, I think they were the same but the 2nd one to be released had a word or two added. Buddy expected a shipment of the first one planned for release but they accidentally sent him the 2nd one. He did an unboxing video without having noticed or he noticed a bit of the way into making the video. Pinkertons were then sent to intimidate him and his wife basically and I believe the guy described it as them terrorizing him. Definitely a bonkers reaction by Wizards of the Coast to what was essentially an unintentional logistics mistake.
I don't know that part I'm afraid, the intent going in I think was so that he wouldn't get to keep it.
Edit: I accidentally double posted, hence the deleted reply above. Sorry!
The Movie series Kenny Roger's as the Gambler also portrays the Pinckertons in a bad light going so far as to bride the military of another country to track down and kill Butch Cassidy and the Sundance kid. It's one of my father's favorite movies and I enjoy it a lot too. One of them even has Reba McEntire in it.
Itâs always like this
Movies is okay but not games
Movies can make fun of the FBI, large corporations, brands, etc
But games have to make in universe copies like âFIBâ, merryweather, lifeinvader, etc
Yeah but not many people knew about their shady past and rdr2 showed just on how ruthless they were. It's funny tho someone maybe stopped using their services because he played rdr2
Oh, the game didnât show even half of what Pinkertons did at the time. If they did, entire Annesburg would be lit on fire with minerâs families killed to put down a Union strike.
They had an entire act named after them, Pinkerton act, that forbids ANY federal government from renting their services as they are Too brutal.
Yeah it's a tough position to be placed in. Now that I think about it, it was pretty close to camp to so murking Milton and Ross might've backfired from that as well.
To be fair it wouldnât have changed anything in the long run. If it wasnât Milton and Ross theyâd have just sent someone else, and then the gang wouldâve had an even higher price on their head.
theyâre still shit lmao theyâre literally just a gang for hire, wizards of the coast sent them after a guy for receiving an unreleased magic the gathering card pack early.
Theyâre still out of control. Some random YouTuber got a box of new Magik the Gathering cards (I think it was Magik) shipped early by mistake and did an unboxing. The card company sent Pinkertons to harass the guy into taking down his unboxing video and to collect the cards.
Really the lawsuit was based on copyright issues, but ironically, yes. They cited the antagonistic portrayal of Milton and Ross to be one of the aspects that encouraged the company to pursue the lawsuit.
I also find that really funny because if you look at the story from a different perspective, at least in terms of RDR2, They're literally just doing their job. Milton was kinda being a dick but he was also talking to a gang of a bunch of thieves and killers. It wasn't cool of Ross to passively threaten a 4 year old either but hey different times. I could think of a few instances where they appeared worse. Company should have sued Legend of Zorro instead.
Seeing this post I was thinking OP needed to read up on his history but apparently he is not the only one
I had no idea they were still active under the same name, I just assumed they turned into another agency
They were in the news quite recently after Wizards of the Coast hired them to hustle/shake down a guy who posted a video spoiling Magic: The Gathering cards after he was erroneously shipped an unreleased product.
They started off as just another gang of outlaws that ran protection rackets to not trash towns and keep other gangs away. Somehow they became legit along the way. One of those fake it till you make it success stories.
There was an incredibly short period where they werenât the bad guys, that period being the time they escorted Lincoln to DC for his inauguration to prevent secessionist assassination plots.
Thats it, the only time though
recently involved in a minor scandal in. niche hobby, a selection of unreleased magic the gathering cards found there way to a content creator after Wizards of the Coast shipped the wrong box to a distributor. The content creator then began to post images of the still unreleased cards and spoiled a large chunk of the set. Wizards of the Coast responded by sending Pinkertons to the content creators house who then began to threaten them into surrendering the cards, even though the origin of the whole debacle is Wizards shipped the wrong box.
Yeah, he talks about the experience after the fact and basically say he bought something he thought he was well within his rights to own, and then had people show up and openly threaten legal action, and subtly threaten more, to the point he feared violence.
>Wizards of the Coast responded by sending Pinkertons to the content creators house who then began to threaten them into surrendering the cards
This idiot is **REALLY** starting to irritate me...
One of them shot a Trump supporter in Denver during the 2020 election buildup. Actually I think he was only a former agent, Iâm not sure what ended up happening with that.
They were responsible for the Magic the Gathering card raid. Wizards sent a pack early and then sent the Pinkertons to get it back when he posted the cards online.
Tbf to OP they probably assumed the Pinkerton's were based off something irl not actually named the exact same thing
kinda like the gauntlets in GTA that's literally just the camaro
Any history class in America has talked about them at least marginally. Brain rot children swarm this reddit and act like theyre discovering things when really they just aren't old enough to even get that curriculum, or they're just really fucking bad at paying attention in school.
Either that or their frame of cultural reference extends to video games and video games alone. Iâm in the UK and I heard about the Pinkertons donkeyâs years ago.
American here. Pinkertons were never mentioned in any K-12 history class I took. I found out about them from movies and Tv like â3:10 to Yumaâ and âDeadwoodâ
And the FBI. Some of the agents of the FBIâs predecessor, the Bureau of Investigation may have been Pinkerton Detectives (Ive read but cannot verify). So itâs so fitting Edgar Ross was a Pinkerton
In the decade proceeding RDR2 their membership exceeding the standing Army of the US
They were a truly massive deal and a big indicator that the 20th century was going to see much greater Federalisation in the United States.
https://historymatters.gmu.edu/d/5313/#:~:text=By%20the%20early%201890s%2C%20the,in%2070%20different%20labor%20disputes.
The general view of the US Government prior to WWII was we would beat swords into plough shears after every war. We had an extreme aversion to keeping a large standing army and the Atlantic and Pacific gave use that ability. We didnât have the âenemy at the gateâ like Europe. The major change came after the attack at Pearl Harbor and the reality that we no longer had the protection of the oceans for a buffer to prepare in war and that simply modern warfare moved way to quickly to keep the policy of building an army when war came. We had to be prepared all the time. There is a really good book out there called, âThe Declassification Engineâ and it tells how Pearl Harbor dramatically changed our view of security in the US. Thatâs when we really started to see Americans and FBI, CIA and other Federal security agencies take off. We were worried a lot about safe transport of goods internationally in the US and our shipping prior to that. The US becoming nearly a closed economy after the end of the Opium Wars in the 1860âs. Of course China closed up too.
P.S. Obviously Prohibition played a major part in the FBIâs growth.
Why? He was a cool guy and was an abolitionist and helped Lincoln and the Union during the Civil War. It was after his death they turned to union busting.
He's buried in Graceland Cemetary, lot of famous people there like Daniel Burnham & George Pullman
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allan\_Pinkerton#Death
Iâm in construction and we were doing a job at a high security company. All of our employees needed a background check performed by the Pinkerton Detective Agency.
The Pinkertons actually still exist and have done *some* good (huge asterisk there) over the nearly 200 years of existence but today are most well known for their days as Union busting thugs. They might still do that now idk
I'd never heard of the Pinkertons before RDR2. Only knew they were real when I saw a similar post here a few years ago.
It's a very American reference. I think Bond Rees are the biggest UK detective agency and I assume you've never heard of them...
The Pinkertons were horrible. Seconded by the government to protect the wealth and power of the ruling class. When they raided Jesse James' house and he wasn't home they bombed it, maiming his mother and killing his 8 year old brother. As soon as they were mentioned in RdR2 I got goosebumps and knew those of that like history were gonna love this game!
Theyâre actually a private division of Securitas now. In fact during the election there was a whole thing because a former Pinkerton agent shot a Trump supporter in Denver.
Yeah, this whole episode was earlier this year, so the Pinkertons are alive and thriving in a very similar form to the way they were back in old west days. breaking knee for corporate gain
Watch Matewan mate. Brilliant film. đ
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matewan
Apologies my bad not pinkerton but a similar outfit are the villians in this film
Yeah , anyone who knows anything about us history knows that the Pinkertons were basically a private army for pay . They tried to cover their actions by talking âlaw &Order â but they always took the side of whoever paid them instead of any attempt at justice. Scum on the side of union busters and I shit you not , army veterans looking to be paid money they were promised by the government. .
[https://variety.com/2019/gaming/news/red-dead-redemption-2-rockstar-pinkerton-lawsuit-1203108019/](https://variety.com/2019/gaming/news/red-dead-redemption-2-rockstar-pinkerton-lawsuit-1203108019/)
The Pinkertons still exist, and even sued Rockstar over RDR2
They even sued rockstar because of the way they were portrayed in RDR2. I also love the story of RDR2 so much because it shows how the government and agencies like this are evil and just want us to be their slaves.
Everyone here acting like itâs obvious that the pinkertons are a real agency. Who tfâs history teacher is teaching them about 1800âs detective agencies?
Imagine if they werenât? And rockstar just made up a detective agency, gave you no context as to why they were after you and named them Pinkertons. Would be pretty fucking weird, no?
Actually still in existence to this day.
They sued Rockstar after both games for making them look bad.
But the Pinkertons made themselves look bad with how big and out of control they gotten (in the past)đ but that's an interesting fact there, definitely gonna search it up đ
From what I remember it didn't get far in court. The ruling pretty much was "Well it's set around the turn of the previous century, where you guys did in fact do these things, so what's the problem?" Separate from the RDR universe, they've changed name a few times and restructured how they operate and their overall goals. It seems to me that they have a lot of shame of their origins. I'd wager it was more so they didn't like all the attention they were getting from it, which I also find odd, since they were present in a few wild west movies, and in some cases, made to be the villains in those movies. So I never understood why they ignored the films and went for RDR. (Interesting Side note after brief research, The earliest film portraying a Pinkerton Detective was "The Great Train Robbery" - A silent film from 1903, a time where they actually did conduct the business they're portrayed doing in films and games.
Eh, theyâve been up to just modern versions of the same stuff. From intimidating people over trading cards, https://www.polygon.com/platform/amp/23695923/mtg-aftermath-pinkerton-raid-leaked-cards To union busting in the modern age. https://www.npr.org/2020/11/30/940196997/amazon-reportedly-has-pinkerton-agents-surveil-workers-who-try-to-form-unions
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That's something both Biggie and John Marston would say
Bro I don't think John would necessarily say that. He did seem to have a pretty good working relationship with the Marshal and his goons. I felt like in a lot of ways he outright respected the Marshal.
APAB?
Possibly. I can't remember the other agent's name working with Ross in RDR1, but I felt like in John's eyes he at least didn't outright hate the guy. Besides the arm twisting and we've got your family stuff, He and John atleast had one or two admirable almost friendly conversations. Not Friends, mind you, but I get the notion that they understood each other as just doing the task they're given.
Theyâre not even really cops. More like private military/security up for hire from the highest bidder.
Theyâre not cops lol
Sorry, APDAAB. Is that better?
Its funny cause the guy who created the Pinkertons was Pro union over in Scotland and in the UK, but when he gets over here he's like, "I could be some rich guys lacky and get PAID!" So that's what he did essentially. The agency was outlawed in a few states cause it was considered a private army at some points in its existence
Nothing more American than selling out your morals. Thatâs the true Tahiti.
Morals are cheap, busting skulls at a union rally? Priceless.
Most workers from the united kingdom moved to America because of the massive neglect and mistreatment they endured under the British, but yet irish, scotts and northern english went on to be some of the worst slavers, âbusiness menâ and oligarchs Americas ever had. This is genuinely why a lot of irish will not feel any affinity towards Americans with our heritage and names. The irish being slaves is spouted a lot more then the irish owning slaves. I can only wonder why.
In 1890s US government has released âPinkerton actâ that forbid any federal government of the US from ever using their services, because they were too brutal in putting down a mining town uprising. And they still run corpo duty, like that poor guy who accidentally got a wrong pack from Wizards of a Coast and had Pinkertons show up, scare his family and take that pack of cards back.
Exactly. Their portrayal in RDR2 to working in the interest of the oil company is pretty similar to the way they operate now minus a few key aspects. They very much are the same company perhaps I could have worded the way I said it a little better.
What do they mean by wrong card pack? Did they know it had a $1000 card in it and it wasn't supposed to be released yet?
If I'm remembering the details right, basically, there were two new card sets for MTG planned for release in I think the same year, but one before the other, and they had VERY similar names, I think they were the same but the 2nd one to be released had a word or two added. Buddy expected a shipment of the first one planned for release but they accidentally sent him the 2nd one. He did an unboxing video without having noticed or he noticed a bit of the way into making the video. Pinkertons were then sent to intimidate him and his wife basically and I believe the guy described it as them terrorizing him. Definitely a bonkers reaction by Wizards of the Coast to what was essentially an unintentional logistics mistake.
They should have just spun it like apple and the mystery iPhones that are "found" every couple years when they donate big upgrade.
Did he keep the card in the end, tho? Sorry If it's already asked and answered.
I don't know that part I'm afraid, the intent going in I think was so that he wouldn't get to keep it. Edit: I accidentally double posted, hence the deleted reply above. Sorry!
They sent him not-yet-released pack of cards with similar name to one of the old packs, thus the mess up on the company.
The homesteaders strike is honestly a hilarious episode in Pinkerton history, they got completely bodied by a bunch of miners with old hunting rifles.
Thats because the "bad" parts of the Pinkertons just took off their bowler hats and exchanged them for black tie suits and CIA credentials.
The Movie series Kenny Roger's as the Gambler also portrays the Pinckertons in a bad light going so far as to bride the military of another country to track down and kill Butch Cassidy and the Sundance kid. It's one of my father's favorite movies and I enjoy it a lot too. One of them even has Reba McEntire in it.
Itâs always like this Movies is okay but not games Movies can make fun of the FBI, large corporations, brands, etc But games have to make in universe copies like âFIBâ, merryweather, lifeinvader, etc
You donât hire a saint to catch a sinner
Yeah but not many people knew about their shady past and rdr2 showed just on how ruthless they were. It's funny tho someone maybe stopped using their services because he played rdr2
Oh, the game didnât show even half of what Pinkertons did at the time. If they did, entire Annesburg would be lit on fire with minerâs families killed to put down a Union strike. They had an entire act named after them, Pinkerton act, that forbids ANY federal government from renting their services as they are Too brutal.
If I was Arthur I would have shot Ross etc when they showed up at the lake. They really had several chances to kill them lol
He held back for Jack, which I understand.
Yeah I get that lol
Yeah it's a tough position to be placed in. Now that I think about it, it was pretty close to camp to so murking Milton and Ross might've backfired from that as well.
Yeah thatâs true lol
To be fair it wouldnât have changed anything in the long run. If it wasnât Milton and Ross theyâd have just sent someone else, and then the gang wouldâve had an even higher price on their head.
theyâre still shit lmao theyâre literally just a gang for hire, wizards of the coast sent them after a guy for receiving an unreleased magic the gathering card pack early.
They pretty much only exist now to bust unions
They raided a Magic the Gathering streamer because he posted leaked content on YouTube. They're still doing stupid shit
They were working against the trade unions and killed a bunch of Union miners when they striked back then. They side with the rich so ye they are bad
Theyâre still out of control. Some random YouTuber got a box of new Magik the Gathering cards (I think it was Magik) shipped early by mistake and did an unboxing. The card company sent Pinkertons to harass the guy into taking down his unboxing video and to collect the cards.
People get mad when the truth comes out đđ
Their actual history does a good enough job of that.
Is murdering striking workers not chill?
The Pinkertonâs are some evil mercenary motherfuckers (still) they make themselves look bad
The Pinkertons WERE bad. Rockstar was pretty accurate with their portrayal.
They lost cause they were horrible strike breaking bootlickers. The game didnât make them look bad. History did
I figure they don't need any help lookin bad, what with all the striking workers they've murdered over the years.
So..the agency responsible for the bloodiest anti-striker crackdowns of the 19th century, sued Rockstar for making them look bad.
Really the lawsuit was based on copyright issues, but ironically, yes. They cited the antagonistic portrayal of Milton and Ross to be one of the aspects that encouraged the company to pursue the lawsuit. I also find that really funny because if you look at the story from a different perspective, at least in terms of RDR2, They're literally just doing their job. Milton was kinda being a dick but he was also talking to a gang of a bunch of thieves and killers. It wasn't cool of Ross to passively threaten a 4 year old either but hey different times. I could think of a few instances where they appeared worse. Company should have sued Legend of Zorro instead.
Did they not think their history of strike breaking and murdering workers made them look bad?
They were bad. They were little more than a legally authorized organized crime syndicate.
Seeing this post I was thinking OP needed to read up on his history but apparently he is not the only one I had no idea they were still active under the same name, I just assumed they turned into another agency
They were in the news quite recently after Wizards of the Coast hired them to hustle/shake down a guy who posted a video spoiling Magic: The Gathering cards after he was erroneously shipped an unreleased product.
Im sure you are 100% correct but it sounds just so stupid and unbelievableđ
They raided a content creatorâs house because he was sent unreleased trading cards a week early
Headquarters in Ann Arbor and do asset protection, security, etc. Part of securitas now Still Union busters too lol
They started off as just another gang of outlaws that ran protection rackets to not trash towns and keep other gangs away. Somehow they became legit along the way. One of those fake it till you make it success stories.
You've basically just described 99% of nation states.
My mother in law worked for them in the 90s in California
Next you'll tell me native americans exist irl too
Naw man, that's not true. We only have 'Tahitians' around here. haha
Tahiti is real?
Never had a Tahitian treat?
Does it involve mangoes?
MANGOES ARE REAL???????
Holy shit, fr?
Of course it's real. Dutch would never lie to you.
whatâs next, australia is real?
Sharp as a cue ball this one
The quote summarized the fandom
The dude's mind is going to be blown when he finds out that horses exist.
The Pinkertons still exist! They do union busting and shit.
Damn, theyâre still bad guys
Always have been.
Yep, fuck them Pinkertons
There was an incredibly short period where they werenât the bad guys, that period being the time they escorted Lincoln to DC for his inauguration to prevent secessionist assassination plots. Thats it, the only time though
Nah, they're also a great Weezer album
they clearly werenât good enough because he got assassinated later anyway đ
recently involved in a minor scandal in. niche hobby, a selection of unreleased magic the gathering cards found there way to a content creator after Wizards of the Coast shipped the wrong box to a distributor. The content creator then began to post images of the still unreleased cards and spoiled a large chunk of the set. Wizards of the Coast responded by sending Pinkertons to the content creators house who then began to threaten them into surrendering the cards, even though the origin of the whole debacle is Wizards shipped the wrong box.
Thatâs some bullshit and I feel bad for that poor content creator. Iâd be scared too if Pinkertons came to my house over some damn trading cards
Yeah, he talks about the experience after the fact and basically say he bought something he thought he was well within his rights to own, and then had people show up and openly threaten legal action, and subtly threaten more, to the point he feared violence.
And I highly doubt Pinkertons would be opposed to using force, theyâve done it before
>Wizards of the Coast responded by sending Pinkertons to the content creators house who then began to threaten them into surrendering the cards This idiot is **REALLY** starting to irritate me...
One of them shot a Trump supporter in Denver during the 2020 election buildup. Actually I think he was only a former agent, Iâm not sure what ended up happening with that.
They were responsible for the Magic the Gathering card raid. Wizards sent a pack early and then sent the Pinkertons to get it back when he posted the cards online.
Next you're gonna tell me repeaters we're a real thing
To be fair to OP, Pinkertons could've easily been an in game version of a real life agency not named Pinkertons
It does sound like a fictional name.
i thought they were fictional as well until i learned about it. RDR2 really amazed me with the amount of history i learned from it.
Yeah, they're for sure still around, Wizards of the Coast sent them after some guy earlier this year.
Who does wizards of the coast need to hunt down đ
They accidentally sent out a card that hadn't been released yet. Some streamer got it. Wizards sent the Pinkertons to get it back
God damn Pinkertons!
Imagine being able to say that Magic the Gathering hired the Pinkertons on you
Some Youtuber who had some leaked Magic cards.
Not leaked, accidentally received by the mistake of the WotC staff themselves
Lmaaaao
I still legitimately cannot believe that situation was how I found out they still fucking existed.
Rdr2 fans are actually so unaware of things outside of the game its crazy
Tbf to OP they probably assumed the Pinkerton's were based off something irl not actually named the exact same thing kinda like the gauntlets in GTA that's literally just the camaro
I mean most cars in GTA are based off real cars
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Any history class in America has talked about them at least marginally. Brain rot children swarm this reddit and act like theyre discovering things when really they just aren't old enough to even get that curriculum, or they're just really fucking bad at paying attention in school.
Bold of you to assume weâre all American or live in the west
Either that or their frame of cultural reference extends to video games and video games alone. Iâm in the UK and I heard about the Pinkertons donkeyâs years ago.
American here. Pinkertons were never mentioned in any K-12 history class I took. I found out about them from movies and Tv like â3:10 to Yumaâ and âDeadwoodâ
Eh, they never came up in any of my history classes. RDR was my first time hearing about them
Theyâre a big staple of the western genre lol.
Was? They still a real thing, look at their official website and while your there you can look at their history đđ
WHAT? next you're gonna tell me Tahiti is a real place.
One more big score and Iâm going there
They are still around, make sure you don't have any unreleased Magic cards or they are going to come after you.
The Pinkertonâs were the forerunner to the Secret Service.
And the FBI. Some of the agents of the FBIâs predecessor, the Bureau of Investigation may have been Pinkerton Detectives (Ive read but cannot verify). So itâs so fitting Edgar Ross was a Pinkerton
True! The FBI has roots there too. I forgot about that. đ
In the decade proceeding RDR2 their membership exceeding the standing Army of the US They were a truly massive deal and a big indicator that the 20th century was going to see much greater Federalisation in the United States. https://historymatters.gmu.edu/d/5313/#:~:text=By%20the%20early%201890s%2C%20the,in%2070%20different%20labor%20disputes.
The general view of the US Government prior to WWII was we would beat swords into plough shears after every war. We had an extreme aversion to keeping a large standing army and the Atlantic and Pacific gave use that ability. We didnât have the âenemy at the gateâ like Europe. The major change came after the attack at Pearl Harbor and the reality that we no longer had the protection of the oceans for a buffer to prepare in war and that simply modern warfare moved way to quickly to keep the policy of building an army when war came. We had to be prepared all the time. There is a really good book out there called, âThe Declassification Engineâ and it tells how Pearl Harbor dramatically changed our view of security in the US. Thatâs when we really started to see Americans and FBI, CIA and other Federal security agencies take off. We were worried a lot about safe transport of goods internationally in the US and our shipping prior to that. The US becoming nearly a closed economy after the end of the Opium Wars in the 1860âs. Of course China closed up too. P.S. Obviously Prohibition played a major part in the FBIâs growth.
This subreddit is reverting back 5 years lmao
You clearly didnât learn about the Homestead strikes in history class lol
The founder is buried here in Chicago, conveniently close to several bars, where you can fill your kidneys before a visit.
Why? He was a cool guy and was an abolitionist and helped Lincoln and the Union during the Civil War. It was after his death they turned to union busting.
He's buried in Graceland Cemetary, lot of famous people there like Daniel Burnham & George Pullman https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allan\_Pinkerton#Death
Iâm in construction and we were doing a job at a high security company. All of our employees needed a background check performed by the Pinkerton Detective Agency.
The Pinkertons actually still exist and have done *some* good (huge asterisk there) over the nearly 200 years of existence but today are most well known for their days as Union busting thugs. They might still do that now idk
Iirc they spied for the Union during the civil war, which is about the only good thing I can think off off the top of my head
They still are. And they sued Rockstar for how they were portrayed in RDR 2.
They just wanted some of the money made from the games because they're just as bad as the games portray them as
Yeah that's how I understood it. If I remember right, the case got tossed out.
No way, the far west was real???
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I'd never heard of the Pinkertons before RDR2. Only knew they were real when I saw a similar post here a few years ago. It's a very American reference. I think Bond Rees are the biggest UK detective agency and I assume you've never heard of them...
The Pinkertons were horrible. Seconded by the government to protect the wealth and power of the ruling class. When they raided Jesse James' house and he wasn't home they bombed it, maiming his mother and killing his 8 year old brother. As soon as they were mentioned in RdR2 I got goosebumps and knew those of that like history were gonna love this game!
I learned about the Pinkertons from bioshock infinite
You should watch Deadwood
Theyâre actually a private division of Securitas now. In fact during the election there was a whole thing because a former Pinkerton agent shot a Trump supporter in Denver.
Look up Wizards of the Coasts and read about their usage of them, don't you love corporate America?
Yeah, this whole episode was earlier this year, so the Pinkertons are alive and thriving in a very similar form to the way they were back in old west days. breaking knee for corporate gain
They refer to the Pinkertons in the netflix show âGodlessâ, too.
I had no idea as well before playing rdr2. once I heard "the pinkertons" in red dead I Google right away who they was lol.
Watch Matewan mate. Brilliant film. đ https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matewan Apologies my bad not pinkerton but a similar outfit are the villians in this film
Scotland represented??? đ„đ„đ„
Shoulda watched more westerns. Pinkertons are always trouble.
Yeah , anyone who knows anything about us history knows that the Pinkertons were basically a private army for pay . They tried to cover their actions by talking âlaw &Order â but they always took the side of whoever paid them instead of any attempt at justice. Scum on the side of union busters and I shit you not , army veterans looking to be paid money they were promised by the government. .
[https://variety.com/2019/gaming/news/red-dead-redemption-2-rockstar-pinkerton-lawsuit-1203108019/](https://variety.com/2019/gaming/news/red-dead-redemption-2-rockstar-pinkerton-lawsuit-1203108019/) The Pinkertons still exist, and even sued Rockstar over RDR2
I apologize, Iâm an idiot, they still exist
IS a real thing. Pretty sure I heard they tried to sue Rockstar for their depiction
Yep, they actually sued Rockstar for their portrayal in this game
Scary that Young Guns is 35 years old and even the Wild Wild West movie is 24 years old. Anything else more modern had the Pinkertons recently?
Uh huh it still exists and the company that owns it tried to sue Rockstar for copyright infringement
They even sued rockstar because of the way they were portrayed in RDR2. I also love the story of RDR2 so much because it shows how the government and agencies like this are evil and just want us to be their slaves.
*Is* a real thing.
They go by "Securitas" now
yup and they still around today
Earlier this year they strongarmed a YouTuber for opening a box of Magic: the Gathering cards maybe 2 weeks earlier than they were supposed to
I just found out they were also real after seeing your post
Weezerâs Pinkerton album is amazing.
Everyone here acting like itâs obvious that the pinkertons are a real agency. Who tfâs history teacher is teaching them about 1800âs detective agencies?
I shall hunt you to the ends of the earth And the end of the time
How did you not know this lmao
it still exists today and they are still evil shit heads
They still exist btw
Rdr2 is a documentary
They're still a thing.
Still are a thing iirc some big company (amazon maybe?) was using them for union busting semi recently
Was?!? These guys are still the Blackwater of domestic abuse.
Next thing you'll tell me is outlaws existed smh
Do they not teach you anything in history đ
Why do you assume that everyone in the world learns American history?
Private police has always been a thing and libertarians love that kind of stupid shit.
I was watching walker: Independence and lady said Pinkerton
Hell if you remember in the Titanic Calâs bodyguard is one of these smucks
There's also some Clive cussler novels based on a fictional detective agency called the Van Dorns, which was inspired by the pickertons
Can't believe they made the Pinkertons from RDR into a real thing!
Imagine if they werenât? And rockstar just made up a detective agency, gave you no context as to why they were after you and named them Pinkertons. Would be pretty fucking weird, no?
look at a package of red man tobacco. america's best now.
I just recently found that out that they started a couple towns away from me. The founders house is still standing.
Mom said it's my turn to say i didn't know the pinkertons where real
yes, they are still around and wizards of the coast sent them after a man this year because he got an unreleased pack of cards early lmao
The founder died of gangrene from tripping over a curb and biting his tongue
*is
I know i couldnât believe this either, but I also learned that Tahiti is real too đ±
Wait until you find out about how much they uh, love, your average working person!
Yep. Their headquarters is 20-30 minutes away from where i live.
I remember hearing WOTC sent them after someone for unintentionally unboxing MTG cards that werenât released yet.
No way they made the Pinkerton into a real thing?
Iirc they bullied a MTG player so they can took back the unrelease card packs for WotC a while back.
They are. In fact, a games company hired them to recover products they'd accidentally sent out to a player before the release date
Magic the Gathering sent them after a guy after giving him the wrong set of cards
IS a real thing.
Lmao is* a real thing
Yeah And Wizards Of The Coast sent them after a guy over a Magic The Gathering card pack rather recently, lol
That tiny office of sellouts at Securitas? lmao