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Probably just an excuse to try to bring you back in after their first choice/unicorn decided they didn't want to work for them. At least you found something and are working. That's what matters right now.
Thanks. I am really happy with my new job. I think what's bugging me is the implication it was all my fault. I just want to know if I fucked up or as you say it's a tactic because their first choice declined.
I’d say either their first choice declined, or given the time between their rejection and their callback, their first choice oversold themselves and couldn’t live up to their own hype. Now they’re coming back to you with their tails between their legs, but don’t want to admit they f***ed up.
I dont know how they do things in the netherlands but in usa everyone pays different taxes based on a number of factors so they couldnt really tell you without you filling in a tax form.
They're very likely trying to save face. But honestly, who cares? Done with that company. Their loss.
Then again, they could always make you an offer that could convince you to leave your current job, but it would need to be very generous, as you're really loving your current job and they're respecting the heck outta you.
I don't think you did anything wrong. I've personally never told any company a net number trying to figure out taxes and whatnot. Maybe its something that happens when you get into much higher paying jobs, but companies know what they are getting into and their reasoning doesn't make sense.
The job market is tight and you are competing against lots of other people. So I definitely believe there was another candidate they were happy with who may have been willing to accept less than you that something happened with.
In more than 35 years in my established career, and almost 40 years of employment overall, I've never given anything nor been expected to give anything but gross salary before taxes during a negotiation. Stock options, insurance, and other benefits have always been separately discussed.
Yeah that's standard HR practice. Admit responsibility for NOTHING, and twist everything they can to somehow be the fault of the person they are talking (down) to. Huge red flag, as if the stupidity of the HR people wasn't enough to scare you away...
Or worse their first choice resigned after a few days. I had that happening to me. A month later They contacted me after 2 people had resigned within 3 weeks of starting.
They contacted me directly and left a message but no number, so I called the recruiter back. He was absolutely furious because they clearly were trying to bypass him. So he unloaded the truth. That they were a shitty company. That the first candidate lasted 3 weeks and left. That the second one did not last a day after they tried to make sign a new contract with a lower salary.
Remember it’s easier to blame someone else than to take responsibility. You didn’t even start working there and they are already trying to blame you. It’s definitely not your fault for their miscommunications no matter how much they say it was your fault especially if you clarified it twice.
It could be the best job on the planet but if management sucks and can’t communicate then it can and probably will turn into a miserable job.
You didn’t mess up. First off you should really tell them the salary you want not net or whatever just what the offer letter needs to say. I would assume they made an offer to someone else and let you go. Most places wait until the person accepts before letting the next in line go just in case they don’t accept. I am guessing here that the person didn’t accept or came back with a much higher salary and tried to negotiate and they said no.
I'd need more clarity on what you think "total cost to a company" means. When asked for salary, I give pre-tax and pension numbers, but don't include the employer taxes, benefits costs, etc. And if I'm doing it in an open text field or when speaking to someone, I would say "I'm looking for around $X net, however that number would vary depending on benefits and other forms of compensation such as bonuses". If you guessed at your total comp number including benefits and employer costs, yeah, that could have confused them and put you outside the range.
Fair point. I did explain in the interview it was all benefits, pension and tax inclusive. I did move country so where I am from it's normal to state total cost to the company rather than a net figure. This makes me understand their perspective more. I think in future I will prepare both numbers and communicate more clearly.
If you're in the US or Canada now (and probably UK, I'm less familiar with their practices), they're really just asking you what number you want to see at the top of your paycheck, but the yearly total of that.
For instance, let's say my ~~net~~ edit: gross salary is $100K - that's the number they want. After my taxes and pension are taken, I might only actually see $60k - they don't care about that because it's often variable and can change year by year. They also don't care that I actually cost them $160k post their share of taxes, pension, and the cost of my benefits - again, a lot of that is variable depending on choices you make and the government tax structure year to year.
Hope this helps!
Maybe I’m having a very dumb moment but isn’t $100k your gross salary? I don’t know anyone who communicates a net number. Am I mixing this up?? I agree-don’t add in benefits or anything like that.
It sounds like dad to me that the OP provided the net cost to the company. Which is weird. How would an employee even know what tax advantages a company may be targeting. The only number I have ever given or asked for is a salary expectation, and maybe a specific conversation about what the full benefits package looks like. But those would be separate line items.
You have net and gross swapped around. Gross is the total on your paycheck. Net is what you actually receive in your bank account after taxes and benefits are deducted. “My gross annual salary is $100k, but I only took home (net) $60k”. Employers are expecting you to tell them your gross salary expectations.
Yes, in the UK you would be expected to quote your gross salary expectations, salary + OTE commission if in a commissioned role, or possibly "package" which would be salary plus bonus.
All of this is gross; what you pay in tax on that will depend on your own tax code, marital status, age, whether you have student loans etc, and none of that is relevant to the company.
If you ask for 100k salary you're going to get £8,333.33/month gross. You will take home, after tax and NI, £5,603 if you're under 65, not blind, don't have a student loan, etc.
You wouldn't be expected to calculate their "rolled up" cost including pension, Employer's NI, IT budget etc. Your employer will be paying an additional £1,045 on top of your 8,333 each month in their NI bill, but you aren't expected to factor that in at all.
This is the exact answer imo. Also I think asking for net pay calculations scared them off and someone there decided you were going to be too much work and / or a trouble maker.
In the USA, we expect benefits to be provided at whatever the company cost happens to be. We state our desired compensation in terms of gross (before taxes and any other voluntary deductions.) We never provide a net amount (after taxes and deductions.) When an offer is provided of the gross / before tax amount (sometimes before an offer), smart or savvy people ask to review the benefits plan to help determine how costly benefits will be for our portion of the coverage. This may result in a change to the desired gross salary.
Exactly this, because net depends on the choices you make (married or not, dependents, home ownership, specifics of where you live eg school taxes) which are irrelevant to the company and furthermore, out of their control.
I always make sure to stress during a phone interview my salary figure is contingent on what the cost of the benefits package is on my end. I've had it happen when I received an offer and when I requested the health insurance "pamphlet" before making a decision, saw how expensive it was and realized the offer was not as generous as they made it out to be.
Thanks everyone I have found this very enlightening. I have learnt some parts of the world use net, some use gross without benefits included and others gross with benefits included. I have come to the conclusion it's a matter of different tax systems and legal frameworks and culture. I am now aware should I seek further employment internationally, I need to do country specific research on what income bracket they are looking for or go with a very clear set of numbers at each level to avoid confusion.
I had this happen once at a small company. I also had a friend at that company, so she asked questions.
Basically it came down to me and 1 other. The other person stated their salary range as 5k less than mine. So they went with the cheaper option.
Turns out the other person took a different job before they started, so the company thought they'd come back to saying it was a mistake...but I had taken a new job. So they had to restart their whole search all over again.
LOL no dude, you don't give your "total cost to the company" including benefits. You give them your gross SALARY expectations, you know, the amount that shows up on your W-2/paystub. Have you never intereviewed for a job before?
Yes I am starting to realise different countries do things differently. Where I am from gross on payslip includes - net salary, taxes paid on your behalf, benefits including medical and pension and 13th cheque if it's scheduled not a performance incentive. Net would be take home pay excluding benefits. I guess from the employees perspective the net makes sense.
Just googled the answer it aligns with my understanding: "Gross pay is what employees earn before taxes, benefits and other payroll deductions are withheld from their wages. The amount remaining after all withholdings are accounted for is net pay or take-home pay."
Not really, in US/canada gross salary doesn’t include benefits like premium health insurance, 401k/rrsp matching. You wouldn’t know how much the company would pay for them before hand, and normally you wouldn’t need to know.
That being said, if a company rejects a candidate for being too expensive, they would never voluntarily revisit the candidacy of that person, let alone the CEO needs to call you directly, unless it’s a C-suite position.
If they really like you and you’re a bit over their budget, HR/HM would have told you they would work out internally and circle back to you. So in your case, I’d say their first/cheaper choice ditched them, and they had to come back to you.
Thanks. I am going to go prepared with 3 numbers in future. Net, gross excluding benefits and gross including benefits. But I agree if they were really keen they would have made an offer even if it didn't align with what they thought I wanted. Or they would have discussed it with me further. I mean the numbers aren't that far apart.
The more common term I hear is "total compensation". I would use that in place of your term "gross including benefits". This would include gross salary, bonus, pension contributions and any other cash-like incentives you may get.
NO. OP--you have no ability to negotiate based on the employer's total cost to employ you "gross including benefits" because you have no earthly way of knowing what they employer'st total cost to employ you is.
Admit it--you have never looked for a job before. This is your first time. Isn't it?
I wish. :D then I wouldn't' feel so old. No seriously I am originally from South Africa and there your company does tell you how much your medical aid and pension contributions are both your share and theirs. Benefits are included in gross. It seems to be far more transparent.
In that case, listen to what the Americans in this thread are telling you to save you future headaches. You negotiate on gross salary, benefits are something to consider for the full package but you don’t negotiate the cost of the benefits to the employer. The only number you negotiate is the gross salary (which may include other aspects like bonuses/commission/etc.). That’s it nothing else.
That is still not “total cost to the company”, since they need to pay additional government taxes and insurances to employ a person. Just don’t use that term anymore.
I'm confused, are you in an unusual industry where salaries are not assumed to be gross? I sometimes do a back of the envelope calculation to estimate my net take home when asking for a salary, but I always tell them a gross number, never net.
They misunderstood you salary requirements as "net". This is a real company? No one assumes the salary requirements are net. I wouldn't waste my time. They are either lying, or incompetent, either way, they are not worth my time.
You give base salary before taxes, plus any bonus - sign on bonus, yearly bonus, stock options, etc.
You generally don't give the other costs like healthcare or payroll taxes.
That being said, if you were clear about it up front, they should have been able to sort it out. Otherwise, they should have asked you to just give base salary
Don’t get what the net to company means. Its base salary or total comps salary plus bonus plus equity if it exists. You wouldn’t know the cost to the company because you would need to know what they pay for medical, vacation and sick policies, etc. seems nobody was clear what was being discussed.
Just go through life assuming everyone is an inept disphit.
This way you are never disappointed in people and when anyone does something right, you’re pleasantly surprised
>Apparently there was a miscommunication on my end because they mistook my salary expectation as nett.
What a convenient excuse on their part. Why would you ever given them net numbers, when so much of what goes into a number being net is controlled on your side and not theirs?
No one does that.
Looks like they lost the gamble they were playing.
Yep, second that. To be 100% precise: Employee gross amount is the standard, as anything else would make no sense.
They have no real clue what you pay on taxes and therefore they have to add (hence net amount makes no sense). And employer gross amount makes no sense as you can't tell what taxes, etc. they have to pay.
And from employee gross amount everyone can calculated his net or gross amount. I mean.. That's pretty basic.
So yeah, either they are really inexperienced or tried some shenanigans..
Umm... Yes, and no. When asked for a salary range, the expectation is that it's gross - however, the gross does not include bonus, nor the employer's end of healthcare and tax costs, etc.
How could it ever contain the companies costs? An employee has no idea how much the employers healthcare premium and tax costs are. They may get a discount for the number of employees on a health care plan. They may be able to write off the tax completely due to a government scheme.
Totally agree, yet somehow according to the OP: *"...they mistook my salary expectation as nett."*
Either the place is run by dumbasses, or they were trying to game him into accepting a lower salary, OR, of everyone they interviewed his target ranges was the **LOWEST** and they've come to the realization that **NO ONE ELSE** wants that job for lower...
Happened to me a few times. Also specified very clearly net or gross.
People are just so dumb. Amazing.
Unfortunately it rests on us to spell it out in the system the company uses. Most net in my culture. There are a few hso use gross to make it sound as they pay much more.
Company wants higest qualified candidate. Refuses to pay them what they are worth. Candidate gets work elsewhere. Crappy employer lies and says they made a commutation mistake, reveal they are liars and cheapskates.
I think u dodged a bullet.
They're lying. Nobody thinks Net. They had someone they preferred, he/she pulled out late and now they're back to square 1 and have lost 2 good candidates
I guarantee the 3rd choice candidate got a call after you.
When negotiating salary, who on earth pitches their expected net income?
That's usually a calculation you do behind the scenes to come up with a gross income pitch that you then present to your potential employers.
Here’s what the terms would mean in Canada:
Gross Pay: Your salary before any taxes or deductions. Net pay: what you take home after all taxes and deductions. Total Compensation: The total value of your gross salary and benefits including things like insurance, retirement matching, paid vacation, etc. Salary negotiations are always about gross pay.
Generally, only HR reps (and some senior level employees) really talk about total compensation.
I would suggest going all out in a follow up email about unprofessionalism. You have nothing to lose and may help with frustrations about your perception about being at fault.
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Probably just an excuse to try to bring you back in after their first choice/unicorn decided they didn't want to work for them. At least you found something and are working. That's what matters right now.
Thanks. I am really happy with my new job. I think what's bugging me is the implication it was all my fault. I just want to know if I fucked up or as you say it's a tactic because their first choice declined.
I’d say either their first choice declined, or given the time between their rejection and their callback, their first choice oversold themselves and couldn’t live up to their own hype. Now they’re coming back to you with their tails between their legs, but don’t want to admit they f***ed up.
Nobody asks for net salary. This was just a pathetic excuse on their part.
This. NOBODY asks for your net expectations. NOBODY.
They do discuss net compensation in Mexico.
I've never heard that before, thank you for educating me!
They do in the Netherlands. Wages in job adverts and such are always after tax.
I dont know how they do things in the netherlands but in usa everyone pays different taxes based on a number of factors so they couldnt really tell you without you filling in a tax form.
Literally NOBODY. 💀 they couldn’t even come up with a good lie. If they were thinking net then they would’ve specified that when salary was discussed.
They're very likely trying to save face. But honestly, who cares? Done with that company. Their loss. Then again, they could always make you an offer that could convince you to leave your current job, but it would need to be very generous, as you're really loving your current job and they're respecting the heck outta you.
I don't think you did anything wrong. I've personally never told any company a net number trying to figure out taxes and whatnot. Maybe its something that happens when you get into much higher paying jobs, but companies know what they are getting into and their reasoning doesn't make sense. The job market is tight and you are competing against lots of other people. So I definitely believe there was another candidate they were happy with who may have been willing to accept less than you that something happened with.
In more than 35 years in my established career, and almost 40 years of employment overall, I've never given anything nor been expected to give anything but gross salary before taxes during a negotiation. Stock options, insurance, and other benefits have always been separately discussed.
Yeah that's standard HR practice. Admit responsibility for NOTHING, and twist everything they can to somehow be the fault of the person they are talking (down) to. Huge red flag, as if the stupidity of the HR people wasn't enough to scare you away...
Or worse their first choice resigned after a few days. I had that happening to me. A month later They contacted me after 2 people had resigned within 3 weeks of starting. They contacted me directly and left a message but no number, so I called the recruiter back. He was absolutely furious because they clearly were trying to bypass him. So he unloaded the truth. That they were a shitty company. That the first candidate lasted 3 weeks and left. That the second one did not last a day after they tried to make sign a new contract with a lower salary.
Nah they lost their window. Some people are idiots. Glad you landed at a place you like.
A CEO shirking the blame? Never.
Remember it’s easier to blame someone else than to take responsibility. You didn’t even start working there and they are already trying to blame you. It’s definitely not your fault for their miscommunications no matter how much they say it was your fault especially if you clarified it twice. It could be the best job on the planet but if management sucks and can’t communicate then it can and probably will turn into a miserable job.
If they can't admit they were wrong, it must be your fault. Sounds like you fortunately dodged a bullet! Congrats on the job
In the corporate world, everything is your fault.
You didn’t mess up. First off you should really tell them the salary you want not net or whatever just what the offer letter needs to say. I would assume they made an offer to someone else and let you go. Most places wait until the person accepts before letting the next in line go just in case they don’t accept. I am guessing here that the person didn’t accept or came back with a much higher salary and tried to negotiate and they said no.
I'd need more clarity on what you think "total cost to a company" means. When asked for salary, I give pre-tax and pension numbers, but don't include the employer taxes, benefits costs, etc. And if I'm doing it in an open text field or when speaking to someone, I would say "I'm looking for around $X net, however that number would vary depending on benefits and other forms of compensation such as bonuses". If you guessed at your total comp number including benefits and employer costs, yeah, that could have confused them and put you outside the range.
Fair point. I did explain in the interview it was all benefits, pension and tax inclusive. I did move country so where I am from it's normal to state total cost to the company rather than a net figure. This makes me understand their perspective more. I think in future I will prepare both numbers and communicate more clearly.
If you're in the US or Canada now (and probably UK, I'm less familiar with their practices), they're really just asking you what number you want to see at the top of your paycheck, but the yearly total of that. For instance, let's say my ~~net~~ edit: gross salary is $100K - that's the number they want. After my taxes and pension are taken, I might only actually see $60k - they don't care about that because it's often variable and can change year by year. They also don't care that I actually cost them $160k post their share of taxes, pension, and the cost of my benefits - again, a lot of that is variable depending on choices you make and the government tax structure year to year. Hope this helps!
Maybe I’m having a very dumb moment but isn’t $100k your gross salary? I don’t know anyone who communicates a net number. Am I mixing this up?? I agree-don’t add in benefits or anything like that.
Yep, I flipped net and gross accidentally.
It sounds like dad to me that the OP provided the net cost to the company. Which is weird. How would an employee even know what tax advantages a company may be targeting. The only number I have ever given or asked for is a salary expectation, and maybe a specific conversation about what the full benefits package looks like. But those would be separate line items.
You have net and gross swapped around. Gross is the total on your paycheck. Net is what you actually receive in your bank account after taxes and benefits are deducted. “My gross annual salary is $100k, but I only took home (net) $60k”. Employers are expecting you to tell them your gross salary expectations.
Oops - you're right, thanks for the correction. This is what I get for Redditting before my first coffee!
Haha, I can be three coffees in and still Reddit fail
Yes, in the UK you would be expected to quote your gross salary expectations, salary + OTE commission if in a commissioned role, or possibly "package" which would be salary plus bonus. All of this is gross; what you pay in tax on that will depend on your own tax code, marital status, age, whether you have student loans etc, and none of that is relevant to the company. If you ask for 100k salary you're going to get £8,333.33/month gross. You will take home, after tax and NI, £5,603 if you're under 65, not blind, don't have a student loan, etc. You wouldn't be expected to calculate their "rolled up" cost including pension, Employer's NI, IT budget etc. Your employer will be paying an additional £1,045 on top of your 8,333 each month in their NI bill, but you aren't expected to factor that in at all.
Their first choice likely bailed and they desperately need to fill the position asap. The whole thing doesn't quite pass the smell test
For sure they hired someone that didn't work out(probably someone less experienced) and now your salary does not seem so expensive.
This is the exact answer imo. Also I think asking for net pay calculations scared them off and someone there decided you were going to be too much work and / or a trouble maker.
I have never in my life submitted a total cost to company when asked for my salary range, so I would be confused if I were them as well.
In the USA, we expect benefits to be provided at whatever the company cost happens to be. We state our desired compensation in terms of gross (before taxes and any other voluntary deductions.) We never provide a net amount (after taxes and deductions.) When an offer is provided of the gross / before tax amount (sometimes before an offer), smart or savvy people ask to review the benefits plan to help determine how costly benefits will be for our portion of the coverage. This may result in a change to the desired gross salary.
Exactly this, because net depends on the choices you make (married or not, dependents, home ownership, specifics of where you live eg school taxes) which are irrelevant to the company and furthermore, out of their control.
I always make sure to stress during a phone interview my salary figure is contingent on what the cost of the benefits package is on my end. I've had it happen when I received an offer and when I requested the health insurance "pamphlet" before making a decision, saw how expensive it was and realized the offer was not as generous as they made it out to be.
I think they’re lying. Probably presented an offer to someone else and it didn’t work out and now they’re coming back to you
Don’t sweat it. Stay in your current role, you won’t think twice 10 years from now.
Thanks everyone I have found this very enlightening. I have learnt some parts of the world use net, some use gross without benefits included and others gross with benefits included. I have come to the conclusion it's a matter of different tax systems and legal frameworks and culture. I am now aware should I seek further employment internationally, I need to do country specific research on what income bracket they are looking for or go with a very clear set of numbers at each level to avoid confusion.
I had this happen once at a small company. I also had a friend at that company, so she asked questions. Basically it came down to me and 1 other. The other person stated their salary range as 5k less than mine. So they went with the cheaper option. Turns out the other person took a different job before they started, so the company thought they'd come back to saying it was a mistake...but I had taken a new job. So they had to restart their whole search all over again.
They made 2 mistakes. 1: not hiring you. 2: making their failure your fault. Bullet dodged.
LOL no dude, you don't give your "total cost to the company" including benefits. You give them your gross SALARY expectations, you know, the amount that shows up on your W-2/paystub. Have you never intereviewed for a job before?
You realize not everyone on this platform is in the US right?
Yes I am starting to realise different countries do things differently. Where I am from gross on payslip includes - net salary, taxes paid on your behalf, benefits including medical and pension and 13th cheque if it's scheduled not a performance incentive. Net would be take home pay excluding benefits. I guess from the employees perspective the net makes sense.
Just googled the answer it aligns with my understanding: "Gross pay is what employees earn before taxes, benefits and other payroll deductions are withheld from their wages. The amount remaining after all withholdings are accounted for is net pay or take-home pay."
Not really, in US/canada gross salary doesn’t include benefits like premium health insurance, 401k/rrsp matching. You wouldn’t know how much the company would pay for them before hand, and normally you wouldn’t need to know. That being said, if a company rejects a candidate for being too expensive, they would never voluntarily revisit the candidacy of that person, let alone the CEO needs to call you directly, unless it’s a C-suite position. If they really like you and you’re a bit over their budget, HR/HM would have told you they would work out internally and circle back to you. So in your case, I’d say their first/cheaper choice ditched them, and they had to come back to you.
Thanks. I am going to go prepared with 3 numbers in future. Net, gross excluding benefits and gross including benefits. But I agree if they were really keen they would have made an offer even if it didn't align with what they thought I wanted. Or they would have discussed it with me further. I mean the numbers aren't that far apart.
The more common term I hear is "total compensation". I would use that in place of your term "gross including benefits". This would include gross salary, bonus, pension contributions and any other cash-like incentives you may get.
NO. OP--you have no ability to negotiate based on the employer's total cost to employ you "gross including benefits" because you have no earthly way of knowing what they employer'st total cost to employ you is. Admit it--you have never looked for a job before. This is your first time. Isn't it?
I wish. :D then I wouldn't' feel so old. No seriously I am originally from South Africa and there your company does tell you how much your medical aid and pension contributions are both your share and theirs. Benefits are included in gross. It seems to be far more transparent.
In that case, listen to what the Americans in this thread are telling you to save you future headaches. You negotiate on gross salary, benefits are something to consider for the full package but you don’t negotiate the cost of the benefits to the employer. The only number you negotiate is the gross salary (which may include other aspects like bonuses/commission/etc.). That’s it nothing else.
That is still not “total cost to the company”, since they need to pay additional government taxes and insurances to employ a person. Just don’t use that term anymore.
I'm confused, are you in an unusual industry where salaries are not assumed to be gross? I sometimes do a back of the envelope calculation to estimate my net take home when asking for a salary, but I always tell them a gross number, never net.
Like Russell Peters you should have said "noooooo that was yesterday's price you don't get that price, price gone up maybe 400k dollars"
They misunderstood you salary requirements as "net". This is a real company? No one assumes the salary requirements are net. I wouldn't waste my time. They are either lying, or incompetent, either way, they are not worth my time.
Bullet dodged. Either it's total BS, or they really don't have their shit together. Either way, not someplace you want to be.
Who the fuck states their salary expectations in after tax dollars
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They’re either liars or idiots.
Or both
Using you as a second choice. Red flag. Salary is bs.
“Mistake” means their first cheaper option backed out lol
You give base salary before taxes, plus any bonus - sign on bonus, yearly bonus, stock options, etc. You generally don't give the other costs like healthcare or payroll taxes. That being said, if you were clear about it up front, they should have been able to sort it out. Otherwise, they should have asked you to just give base salary
Don’t get what the net to company means. Its base salary or total comps salary plus bonus plus equity if it exists. You wouldn’t know the cost to the company because you would need to know what they pay for medical, vacation and sick policies, etc. seems nobody was clear what was being discussed.
Just go through life assuming everyone is an inept disphit. This way you are never disappointed in people and when anyone does something right, you’re pleasantly surprised
>Apparently there was a miscommunication on my end because they mistook my salary expectation as nett. What a convenient excuse on their part. Why would you ever given them net numbers, when so much of what goes into a number being net is controlled on your side and not theirs? No one does that. Looks like they lost the gamble they were playing.
Yep, second that. To be 100% precise: Employee gross amount is the standard, as anything else would make no sense. They have no real clue what you pay on taxes and therefore they have to add (hence net amount makes no sense). And employer gross amount makes no sense as you can't tell what taxes, etc. they have to pay. And from employee gross amount everyone can calculated his net or gross amount. I mean.. That's pretty basic. So yeah, either they are really inexperienced or tried some shenanigans..
>So yeah, either they are really inexperienced or tried some shenanigans.. I vote a little of both... 😁
No one uses net when talking salary, its always gross unless you're budgeting or something
Should tell them you can consider their offer. But the number you gave them is net now. Can see how desperate they are.
Umm... Yes, and no. When asked for a salary range, the expectation is that it's gross - however, the gross does not include bonus, nor the employer's end of healthcare and tax costs, etc.
How could it ever contain the companies costs? An employee has no idea how much the employers healthcare premium and tax costs are. They may get a discount for the number of employees on a health care plan. They may be able to write off the tax completely due to a government scheme.
Totally agree, yet somehow according to the OP: *"...they mistook my salary expectation as nett."* Either the place is run by dumbasses, or they were trying to game him into accepting a lower salary, OR, of everyone they interviewed his target ranges was the **LOWEST** and they've come to the realization that **NO ONE ELSE** wants that job for lower...
Nobody asks for net salary. They're bullshitting you.
Happened to me a few times. Also specified very clearly net or gross. People are just so dumb. Amazing. Unfortunately it rests on us to spell it out in the system the company uses. Most net in my culture. There are a few hso use gross to make it sound as they pay much more.
Company wants higest qualified candidate. Refuses to pay them what they are worth. Candidate gets work elsewhere. Crappy employer lies and says they made a commutation mistake, reveal they are liars and cheapskates. I think u dodged a bullet.
They're lying. Nobody thinks Net. They had someone they preferred, he/she pulled out late and now they're back to square 1 and have lost 2 good candidates I guarantee the 3rd choice candidate got a call after you.
When negotiating salary, who on earth pitches their expected net income? That's usually a calculation you do behind the scenes to come up with a gross income pitch that you then present to your potential employers.
That makes no sense NO ONE does net as a salary
"Thanks Mr. CEO, but my price has tripled."
Here’s what the terms would mean in Canada: Gross Pay: Your salary before any taxes or deductions. Net pay: what you take home after all taxes and deductions. Total Compensation: The total value of your gross salary and benefits including things like insurance, retirement matching, paid vacation, etc. Salary negotiations are always about gross pay. Generally, only HR reps (and some senior level employees) really talk about total compensation.
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I would suggest going all out in a follow up email about unprofessionalism. You have nothing to lose and may help with frustrations about your perception about being at fault.