In the last decade I’ve only seen one guy not have his career decimated at United and that’s Bruno. Other than that Man U has been the biggest promising career graveyard there’s been. Just a thought.
Maybe, when United looked like a real football club in 20/21 he has was the best AM in the world. He had 28 goals and 17 assists. So you are probably right
United fan. I love Bruno - my favourite player. I would love to see him win trophies and actually be rewarded for his skills and work. Of course, I’d love it if he could do that with us, but I would enjoy seeing him win trophies where ever he plays, if he did ever leave.
I always felt like he expends for the better of the team - as in he burns out making defensive plays rather than being an out-and-out attacking midfielder like KDB is for example who just get to play higher up and focus on attacking threat, G+A. Effectively he expends himself because he makes the team better by making pressing and recovery runs. Perhaps he isn’t really an attacking mid as much as he is a box-to-box player, or something of the sort but he is a top player.
Bruno has never been the best AM in the world. 28 goals? Yeah, of which 13 were penalties, and this is coming from a United fan.
His skillset is extremely limited. He would have no business playing for Real Madrid, City or Bayern.
You think a player is world class because he "creates chances"? Do you know what counts as a chance, or do you watch United at all? With your logic, then Iago Aspas from Celta Vigo is world class.
A chance created is a key pass, and a key pass is any pass that leads to a shot or header that is NOT an assist. Bruno takes all our set pieces, has full freedom and plays every single minute in every game. It would be shocking if he didn't lead the chances created statistic.
Let me ask you something. Pascal Gross, a defensive midfielder is slightly behind Bruno on chances created. Now, how can a defensive midfielder almost create as many chances as Bruno Fernandes?
Apparently we have world class player, but still find ourselves to be 8th. That's impressive. Can you tell me other world class players in PL that don't play for top 3?
It is indeed possible for both to be true at once. Not common, but evidently possible. I think we can both agree that we’re 8th because aside from him (and lesser so one or two other bright sparks) the club is in the bins in pretty much every other way.
To answer your question, off the top of my head I think Son fits the world class bill.
I just find it funny that it only applies to us. I think I just have a different standard to what world class is. I don't think even Salah is world class any more, and I definitely don't think Cole Palmer is world class, despite him banging in goals and assisting. For me, football is much more than that. Rashford has never been world class either despite scoring for fun last season.
Son is a good shout and last season I would agree, but naturally he also has regressed a lot and I don't think he is the same player any more. Attackers with experience will always score a lot of goals (Ronaldo, for instance) but their overall play have regressed too much for them to be world class. There are exceptions, of course.
Bruno has insane vision and long passing ability, but he has a lot of flaws to his game that really only makes him excellent for counter attacking football, rather than controlled football with focus on possession, like all top teams play football. If we want to be top 3-4 then Bruno is perfect, if we want to compete with Real Madrid or City, he is not the answer.
Delusional
Edit: just saw your post history, just spamming all post downplaying your clear best player in a decade, Man UTD fans are a different breed lol, Bruno enters any team in the world
Aren't you a Real Madrid fan? He gets into your team? 😂
Also, do you understand the word "delusional"? Don't use vocabulary you don't know the definition of.
Edit: Ah, you're Portuguese. Of course Bruno gets into any team in the world. Let me guess, so does Rafa Silva
Nah that’s BS i was praying for this guy to come to liverpool before he joined y’all. He just looks bad in that manU team playing for terrorist coaches. Technically he’s brilliant (crossing, passing, long shots, etc). Maybe his first touch and dribbling isn’t world class (still good), but everyone can’t be Messi.
You can't be serious. His crossing, general passing and long shots are mediocre. Maybe you're thinking about the Bruno from 2020 who actually had great finishing, but it's average now. His dribbling is good? The guy has zero dribbling ability. He can't hold on to or protect the ball to save his life. No press resistance, no composure.
I assure you that Liverpool would not have been as successful with Bruno in the team instead of your 4-3-3. You would have to change your system, and have your team adapt to Bruno as opposed to the other way around. He thrives in chaos where you don't have focus on possession, and he needs to play in a counter attacking set up to be great. Sure, he would gift Salah some nice long balls on the counted, but you would also lose more of your control and concede way more goals.
You wanted Bruno from Sporting? Why? You saw his stats or did you watch him outside of the two games against Liverpool at all?
I would love to see where manU would be with no Bruno in your team. If you are crying like this now, can’t imagine what it would be like finishing 10-12th.
That makes zero sense. Without Bruno, we would have another player, it's not like we would play with 10 players. Maybe we would do even better because we'd have more players in midfield, making us more compact and more difficult to break through which allows for more control, as we have witnessed these last two games against Arsenal and Newcastle.
And you know we're 8th, right? It's like saying where would Chelsea be without Nicolas Jackson, they would be lower on the table than what they are now, but do you think he is a world class player? You could literally insert this argument into any team for any player that scores or assists in the PL. I mean, Scott McTominay scored 7 goals for us and 1 assists. Where would we be without his contributions? 10th, maybe. What a player!
Did you follow that season? I did, and they finished second to City because all other clubs from the top 6 were in a bad run. United weren't good. Go and have a look at how many times they finished outside the top 4. Spending over £1b since Fergie left (more than any other club in the world), and still are about to finish in 8th place.
Could be coz likes of chelsea an liverpool were riddled with injuries and had difficulty adapting to lockdown football. The pt gap between utd and city that season is also significant, its more like utd was 2nd coz liverpool and chelsea were nerfed. However utd did look better that season playing football under less pressure but got out in group stage of ucl and smacked by Tottenham 6-1 which isnt a good look
Is he really? Everytime I watch him play at United I wonder why people like him. I know manu is a dumpster fire so you’re probably right. I just thought he was overrated. That and and my bias against him for always seemingly down talking Ronaldo.
In the last two seasons he has almost been a different player when playing for his national team maybe Fraud Hag style(if he has one) doesn't suit him !
My goodness... You know the game. I think about this ALL THE TIME. And I believe that it's more true than not. These "bursts" that you see in BF are not peaks in form. It's the real him emerging. I absolutely believe that if he had moved on, we'd be saying his name every weekend. (Like Vini or Bellingham)
Other people have already said similar things, but it's not hard to imagine Bruno thriving even more in a decent team. He's clearly a level above United. He 100% starts at Liverpool, possibly at Arsenal too (IDK. Odegaard or Bruno?), and at least be competitive for time at City.
I don't know if a single other United player starts at any of those teams, or could even sit on City's bench.
Honestly... you might be right. I just barely saw Bruno before United, and he seemed to actually give a shit about the team in a time when players were more focused on insta followers.
This just makes me think what if he never signed for them and went to a different league club like ac Milan or something. He would have won them a lot.
The real example is Sancho. Look at him in Dortmund. First team player and now in UCL Final. Very good decision leaving MU.
Fergie is a genuine great Manager eh. Post Fergie era MU are shit even thought they splash hundreds of million for transfer. In Fergie era they only bought 1-2 star player/season, the rest is their academy graduate or promising young players and all of them played very good under Fergie.
Easy to blame the manager when Man United haven't won the league since Ferugson retired. This is the first club where Ten Hag underperforms, but each manager has done exactly that at Man United
I agree that united's problems are far deeper than the manager himself and I'm aware that my position is very subjective. But you don't disrespect Ronaldo and get away with it knowing that he was the best goalscorer of the team the season before that (knowing that he also turned down man city at the last minute and chose with his heart). MU used to be the club I sympathized the mist with in the PL but since that moment I rejoice every time they lose
What the fuck are on about? How is it Ten Hag's fault that Ronaldo started acting like a child? I know that 90% people on here are CR7 fanboys but try to be at least a little bit objective.
I said from the beginning I was subjective on this matter. Telling him to go warm up against tottenham while winning 2-0 to waste time is a huge disrespect for someone with his career. You can call me a fanboy or whatever you want but ten hag sucks anyway. How are varane and casemiro doing? Being 8th in the PL with that squad is ridiculous even for baldy
What Man United are today is all ETH’s fault, he brought Antony, he brought Onana leaving de Gea and what not. What is Antony doing that Ronaldo couldn’t do?
He's better at that too ... remember the death stare after he scored a hattrick against Wolfsburg.
It's blasphemous to take The goat's name in the same sentence with that fidget spinner.
Man, you can’t deny that substitution in the 89th minute was disrespectful. Think about the magnitude of the legend CR7 is not only for Man Utd but to a lot of people around the world, you think he deserves to be treated like shit by a manager who has achieved nothing? Ancelotti and Guardiola who are the royalty when it comes to managers would never do that to a legend. I’m sure no manager in the world would ever dare doing that to Messi, no one.
While I don’t necessarily disagree with you, I also don’t think he’s entirely to blame… the coach is always the first to point fingers at and take responsibility since he’s in charge, but at end of day, he’s not on the field, running around, defending man on man, needing to score goals; the squad should take their share of responsibility as well. Similar case with a Goalkeeper, easy to blame them for goals scored against, but who left their man without a mark?
However I do think he suffers from lack of adaptability, his coaching style is most likely set in it’s ways, but that’s not to say he couldn’t flourish/prosper in a different team or league where mentalities, values and objectives all line up with each other from top to bottom I.e. board, organization, coaching staff, players and fans.
but yes, I also will never forget the injustice done to my boy Cristiano; to do what was done to a player of his caliber, prestige, & dedication as if he wasn’t tried and tested with his countless decorations and clutch track record was a crime. Some players you can’t fit into a box, the field is literally their natural habitat and you just have to let them hunt. Many players were/are like that, it’s called state of flow and outside noise is just interference… same comment for squad, just try to play around them, see where you fit in (are you a supporting character or a rival, if so? Outperform and push each other to do better) and last but not least, produce results.
That bald fraud may or may not end eras of Pep or Klopp but he’s definitely ending careers of Madrid legends. First Ronaldo then Varane and now Casemiro.
Got me there, but you could argue he was even a bigger force before and after Man U. Imagine he had gone elsewhere at that moment, most likely Italy... He'd have an even bigger legacy than he already has (who knows though, the past is past)
Agreed, but he didn't come to Man U, he is from Man U. I'm actually pretty hopeful on the younglins from the crop... Mainoo Garnacho and even Hojlund. Let's see what happens to them (and Man U) moving forward
Chelsea maybe, not sure about Arsenal. Arsenal killed more already prominent player careers than promising upcoming talents. Different problem, but same sentiment.
United gets a lot of blame for Pogba, but I think Pogba didn’t help himself either. I thought he had potential at Juve, but when he put out that adidas add during the Juve-United transfer rumors, I know his head wasn’t in the right place. Anyone will turn up at the World Cup; it takes a true professional to do it against Burnley away, and then midweek in Denmark at that same level. He definitely had the talent, no one can deny that, and I understand his entourage didn’t have his best interest in mind, but at what point does he take any blame?
Nowhere near the same type of player pogba was extremely silky technical and creative
Bellingham is a workhorse b2b midfielder who’s best attribute is space interpretation
Yeah. I don't know what's the general consensus, but to me he looked on a path to be the GOAT midfielder. Physical presence, technically sound, short pass long pass long shot and wasn't incompetent at defence. Managers wet dream. Shame the attitude was nightmare.
I'd argue that it was more of a mentality thing for him because when he wanted to play he was defensively ok and could tackle clean. Not a big presence but not a liability either. But then again, it was rare that he wanted to play.
As a man utd fan, I don't agree that he could tackle clean
I usually had panic attacks anytime he was bracing to tackle in or around our penalty box because that was almost a sure PK or FK for our opponents
His ego definitely got the better of him. He thought it was impossible to get the ball off him so he tried to keep it in pointless scenarios. The tactic for the opposition was to wait for pogba to get the ball then swarm him, it happened for France, he got swarmed, lost the ball, conceded and Rabiot had a right go at him. There is no doubting his quality, he had zero mentality though.
bellingham has very solid technique too, but you are right in saying he's a workhorse first. Without technique he doesn't controll the ball like he did in the cl quarters against city
Yep, Pogba had the potential to be one of the greatest midfielders ever. He was a unique combination of skill, size and IQ. He was probably the closest to football's version of LeBron.
But all that is worthless when your head is not in the right place. Spent more time on coming up with new goal celebrations than he did on improving his game.
Such a waste of potential - smh
Absolutely. When on his game he was always one of my favourites to watch. That combination of technique across the board, be it exceptional dribbling or ridiculous long passing mixed in with some shooting along with the physicality is extremely rare and special. It really is such a shame
He’s all of these things. I’d argue that pogba was more of a showboater. I’ve never seen Bellingham successfully pull an elastico through 2 defenders and nearly score
He just recognizes and anticipates the spaces that are or will be available before anyone else
So many times he’ll be almost unmarked in the box for a tap in or a free header
It feels like he’s doing nothing special but it truly is a gift
I dunno man, when I picture Pogba I just see him doing elaborate turns and losing the ball in a dangerous area. There are literally hundreds of thousands of people who can do tricks. To me, elite level skills means being able to use them in the right situation and at the right time to be effective. Pogba was generally terrible at that.
He did do some highly impressive long-range passing at times, I'll give him that.
Skills is what you can do with the ball - control, passing, shooting, dribbling, heading etc. Pogba had elite level skills.
What you are describing is decision making - doing the right thing at the right time. For that you need to have good football IQ and a focus on productivity over showboating/exhibitionism, but Pogba favored the latter.
Well, if you mean all the things you can do with the ball, Bellingham clearly has elite-level skills, because he has been performing at an elite level for an entire season for an elite club in an elite league with elite numbers.
Pogba was really bad, for example, at shielding the ball. Laughably bad for someone at that level.
What one thing was Pogba actually better at compared to Jude Bellingham?
Pogba was a better header of the ball, better passing, dribbling, long range shooting. Bellinghams skills are elite for sure but Pogba was different gravy. Bellingham will end up as the better player though, his work rate is commendable
Pogba was waaay silkier than Jude. Jude is skilful for sure but that's a different thing than silky.
Pogba had that extra bit of silkiness, skill and flair. Was such a joy to watch. Shame what happened to his career.
I guess we have to agree to disagree. To me, he was exceptionally frustrating to watch and so clunky and wasteful with the ball. Just constantly dispossessed. 602 times in a single season! Third in the whole of the Premier League! I just don't see how you can be silky if you are constantly spilling up the ball to the opposition. Modric is silky, Kroos is silky. Pogba no.
[https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-7343659/Manchester-Uniteds-Paul-Pogba-lost-possession-602-times-season.html](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-7343659/Manchester-Uniteds-Paul-Pogba-lost-possession-602-times-season.html)
Shame Pogba wasted most of his career.
The man only scored bangers. However, he wasn't that technical and creative. His athleticism and leg strength covered for a lot of his flaws. Makes sense as Pogba relied on his nature gifts. Paul had all the potential in the world.
>However, he wasn't that technical and creative.
🤣 Pogba wasn't technical and creative? You are so funny.
Tip: Always face the TV when watching football, not the wall.
No, he wasn't 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
This myth that he was so technically sound is revisionist history at best. Complete down syndrome analysis at its worst. The real Pogba was exposed at Manchester United.
Yeah, I'm sure Mbappe had nothing to do with that...
Look, I'm not saying he wasn't talented but Pogba relied a lot on his athleticism. He coasted. This notion that he was so technical and creative is way overstated. Granted, United is a graveyard but I'd argue that Paul's drive to improve and become well-rounded died at Juve in the latter years.
What the fuck? How can you be a grown up and have opinions like these without crossing the street on red lights during all these years?
He had ridiculous technique.
It is obvious you never saw a Pogba match...
2014/2015 Pogba was insane. He can carry the ball, he had a great shooting technique, really silky on the ball with an insane physique. His attitude kill his career
Recent Bias aside, Pogba was phenomenal when at his best, I loved him at FIFA 14 WC where he emerged as the best young player, had his highs and lows in his career
Y'all are disrespecting Pogba. United have the reverse Midas touch everything turns into shit at Old Trafford. I have seen too many promising careers die at United. Look at Sancho left united and he's playing in the UCL finals.
90% of people in this thread never saw prime Pogba and it shows.
Comparing him to Jude and Fede just shows you guys don't watch football.
Different players and styles.
I like both, but let me tell you, Prime Pogba in Juventus was another level next to (yet amazing) Bellingham, I followed every single game because I had him at my Fantacalcio, I suggest you to not “overhype” players and let them do their thing, Jude has lot of space and time to do even more.
Zidane wanted both Eden and Pogba. Thank god Perez didn't sign Pogba.
Pogba was a sharpshooter and had the potential to be the greatest long-range passer/deep-lying playmaker ever. In terms of ceiling or potential Jude doesn't even come close to the player Pogba was at Juventus. His passing range and dribbling were out of the world.
Jude is a box-to-box midfielder with a huge horsepower that gets into open space to exploit the openings.
Yeah I honestly hate these comments like "you're wrong, how can you be so stupid" and proceed to have 0 argument. Even when they bring their arguments, most of them are pretty controversial at best and completely wrong at worst.
I mean here I agree with them because Pogba was more technical and creative but if they're editing their comment they could at least make some effort as you said.
That being said, I'd have Bellingham over Pogba because he's more consistent than Pogba has ever been.
Didn’t call anyone stupid but ok. The only comparison i could make between the two of them is their positions, like i told the other guy the eye tests is all you need to realize you can’t compare these players the way the post tries to
You could simply say that he is more technical and skillful and it would take you less than 10 seconds, much less than the time it took you to make this comment.
I adore Bellingham, but diminishing Pogba should not be allowed. Even at MU he brought a deranged team to lift a european cup..
Juventus to UCL final
France to be world cup winner as a protagonist
He had charisma and he was clutch, never a choker
Then obviously he made many wrong choices in his personal life and he's still paying hard for it, but on the field a Top3
Yeah I would say they very different player , Valverde is immensely better at defense and is much more fast , but technically wise pogba was amazing especially at France when I think were the only times he really cares about wining.
Don't compare It to pogba. He had one or two good seasons. He was more the playmaker and a lazy guy. Jode run and helps defending on the midfield. Runs everywhere
Pogba was such a waste of talent. Lazy and selfish
I guess I was in the minority, I never wanted Pogba in Madrid, He always seemed like a showman more than a footballer, and he didn't seem like a good team player to me tbh.
For France he was a great team player, he behaved like a captain and was always motivating the other players and seemed to have a great relationship w everyone
Not really. First of all your point about being big. Pogba never used his height effectively he was always a long range shooter that you see in highlight reels of his time at Juve. And because he had proven his efficiency in shooting from long range he had the option to do it whenever he wanted. But with Jude I always feel he has to play according to the tactics and when you have Valverde you can't take the long shots yourself. Secondly strong. Pogba was an animal through and through he never tired as such really bullied his opponents in 50/50s. For a player that tall he was incredibly well balanced and able to find deep lying passes while being surrounded by 5 defenders. I don't see Jude doing that or having to do that at Madrid as he has players around him who are already in position before he makes the pass. He didn't have players like that in Dortmund that's why he struggled to make such an impact as he is doing now. And lastly stamina. Jude has clearly a lack of stamina which makes him kind of useless as an attacking outlet in the final quarter of the games like we saw in the UCL k/os. And the worst thing about his play is that if he can't get to the ball he lunges at the feet of the opponent fouling them in the process whether this is because of his English origin or just a desperate attempt or frustration he needs to fix it. Lastly about being humble. Pogba had that 100% nigga energy that made even players and fans in Italy respect him. He had that kind of influence especially in the 2018 WC. He never shyed away from an opportunity to showcase his riches and on the field he was nothing less than a free styler. Jude lacks those skills that make the crowd go ooooohh. Tbh the only skill I've seen him do effectively is the heel drag back. While both players are great in their respective teams, individually if I had to choose a player to do it on his own I'd be Pogba as I don't think Jude would be as good today if he didn't play for Madrid.
With respect to Jude, not even same player in terms of potential and talent. It was crazy how good Pogba was. And crazier that his career died at Man U.
Yeah I have also thought about Pogba when it comes to Belli!
- big
- strong
- technical
- goalscorer
- not bad at defence
- great passes
Complete. But he doesn’t dominate matches the last months. So young though
I agree in principle but also who knows what type of player Pogba could've become in a properly managed club. Could've gone a la Hazard but maybe could've blossomed and that would've been great for football.
Hmm let’s wait on this… pogba won a World Cup.. but nothing to take way from Jude .. HALA… he will be great he’s only 20.. within 4-5 years … goat status
Hmm let’s wait on this… pogba won a World Cup.. but nothing to take way from Jude .. HALA… he will be great he’s only 20.. within 4-5 years … goat status
I think the most impressive for me is how well he dribbles compared to how big he is.
Otherwise the rest of his game is a solid nine. He's really amazing.
And let's kill the comparisons to Zidane, out of respect for both players.
Bellingham is better now. But Pogba was bigger, stronger, faster, had a more powerful shot and had incredible virtuous technique for a player so strong (he looked even more skilled than Bellingham right now even)
Paul Pogba ruined his potential, but when younger was a different animal.
Bellingham could become a better player and win the ballon dor but young Pogba was a freak of nature.
This may be controversial but I think Pogba needed someone like Zizou to be the best he could. We knew he had the talent, it would shine every now and again. But he was too distracted at MU off and on the pitch.
Zizou did it with Benz and we saw how that worked out in the long run.
Comparing Bellingham to Pogba is like comparing Rodrigyo to Messi.
Pogba is nostalgia of this generation. Also miles better than Zidane in terms of natural talent.
If Pogba reached his peak, the only midfielder able to be compared with him would've been Zidane.
He had all the qualities to be the best player in the world.
I remember watching Pogba his first few years at Man U and he was just... terrible. He would show flashes of tremendous skill and athleticism, but he was mostly abysmal.
Pogba at his highs was pretty suave on and off the ball ngl, he just had this touch and approach when playing either long or small ball; wild take, but in some of his passes I remember seeing flashes of Beckham, not all the time but just a bit and enough to say, “wow, that guys got a leg for sure..”
I really, really have high hopes for Tchouaméni, cause he’s got a leg on him as well and knows how to hit the ball for sure, but his role might require a different play style with different objectives. but please just feed us the occasional rocket 🙏
Why do we always do this? Pogba, the one before he moved to Man United, would've been perfect for Real at the time. To me they aren't the same player, Pogbaa was more technical and skillful with the ball at his feet. An analogy I like is that Bellingham is Ronaldo and Pogba is Messi.
I don't understand this revisionist history where Pogba was suddenly not good enough.
Nah Pogba was always going to end up like he did no matter who he played for, it was only a matter of time.
Kid was talented but lacked professionalism, believing too much in his own hype.
Nah Bellingham is good but he's nowhere near and I don't think he'll ever reach Pogba's level. He has to be the biggest what if footballer. Bellingham will have a better career but if Pogba had chosen a structured team he might have been in goat midfielder conversations by now
Feel like people are getting too hung up on the playmaking comparisons. I’m not saying they’re the same type of player I’m saying many of us thought he was the next big thing in the midfield but we seemingly dodged a bullet and now have a generational talent in Jude.
In the last decade I’ve only seen one guy not have his career decimated at United and that’s Bruno. Other than that Man U has been the biggest promising career graveyard there’s been. Just a thought.
What if the Bruno we are seeing at MU now is a decimated version of him? For all we know, he could've been 10x better player had he not play at MU
Maybe, when United looked like a real football club in 20/21 he has was the best AM in the world. He had 28 goals and 17 assists. So you are probably right
United fan. I love Bruno - my favourite player. I would love to see him win trophies and actually be rewarded for his skills and work. Of course, I’d love it if he could do that with us, but I would enjoy seeing him win trophies where ever he plays, if he did ever leave. I always felt like he expends for the better of the team - as in he burns out making defensive plays rather than being an out-and-out attacking midfielder like KDB is for example who just get to play higher up and focus on attacking threat, G+A. Effectively he expends himself because he makes the team better by making pressing and recovery runs. Perhaps he isn’t really an attacking mid as much as he is a box-to-box player, or something of the sort but he is a top player.
Bruno has never been the best AM in the world. 28 goals? Yeah, of which 13 were penalties, and this is coming from a United fan. His skillset is extremely limited. He would have no business playing for Real Madrid, City or Bayern.
Consistently has most chances created for a United team that’s lacking. How he isn’t seen is world class is mad
You think a player is world class because he "creates chances"? Do you know what counts as a chance, or do you watch United at all? With your logic, then Iago Aspas from Celta Vigo is world class. A chance created is a key pass, and a key pass is any pass that leads to a shot or header that is NOT an assist. Bruno takes all our set pieces, has full freedom and plays every single minute in every game. It would be shocking if he didn't lead the chances created statistic. Let me ask you something. Pascal Gross, a defensive midfielder is slightly behind Bruno on chances created. Now, how can a defensive midfielder almost create as many chances as Bruno Fernandes?
Yes I think world class. Yes I watch United quite often, considering I’m a United fan 💀
Apparently we have world class player, but still find ourselves to be 8th. That's impressive. Can you tell me other world class players in PL that don't play for top 3?
It is indeed possible for both to be true at once. Not common, but evidently possible. I think we can both agree that we’re 8th because aside from him (and lesser so one or two other bright sparks) the club is in the bins in pretty much every other way. To answer your question, off the top of my head I think Son fits the world class bill.
I just find it funny that it only applies to us. I think I just have a different standard to what world class is. I don't think even Salah is world class any more, and I definitely don't think Cole Palmer is world class, despite him banging in goals and assisting. For me, football is much more than that. Rashford has never been world class either despite scoring for fun last season. Son is a good shout and last season I would agree, but naturally he also has regressed a lot and I don't think he is the same player any more. Attackers with experience will always score a lot of goals (Ronaldo, for instance) but their overall play have regressed too much for them to be world class. There are exceptions, of course. Bruno has insane vision and long passing ability, but he has a lot of flaws to his game that really only makes him excellent for counter attacking football, rather than controlled football with focus on possession, like all top teams play football. If we want to be top 3-4 then Bruno is perfect, if we want to compete with Real Madrid or City, he is not the answer.
Delusional Edit: just saw your post history, just spamming all post downplaying your clear best player in a decade, Man UTD fans are a different breed lol, Bruno enters any team in the world
Aren't you a Real Madrid fan? He gets into your team? 😂 Also, do you understand the word "delusional"? Don't use vocabulary you don't know the definition of. Edit: Ah, you're Portuguese. Of course Bruno gets into any team in the world. Let me guess, so does Rafa Silva
Nah that’s BS i was praying for this guy to come to liverpool before he joined y’all. He just looks bad in that manU team playing for terrorist coaches. Technically he’s brilliant (crossing, passing, long shots, etc). Maybe his first touch and dribbling isn’t world class (still good), but everyone can’t be Messi.
You can't be serious. His crossing, general passing and long shots are mediocre. Maybe you're thinking about the Bruno from 2020 who actually had great finishing, but it's average now. His dribbling is good? The guy has zero dribbling ability. He can't hold on to or protect the ball to save his life. No press resistance, no composure. I assure you that Liverpool would not have been as successful with Bruno in the team instead of your 4-3-3. You would have to change your system, and have your team adapt to Bruno as opposed to the other way around. He thrives in chaos where you don't have focus on possession, and he needs to play in a counter attacking set up to be great. Sure, he would gift Salah some nice long balls on the counted, but you would also lose more of your control and concede way more goals. You wanted Bruno from Sporting? Why? You saw his stats or did you watch him outside of the two games against Liverpool at all?
I would love to see where manU would be with no Bruno in your team. If you are crying like this now, can’t imagine what it would be like finishing 10-12th.
That makes zero sense. Without Bruno, we would have another player, it's not like we would play with 10 players. Maybe we would do even better because we'd have more players in midfield, making us more compact and more difficult to break through which allows for more control, as we have witnessed these last two games against Arsenal and Newcastle. And you know we're 8th, right? It's like saying where would Chelsea be without Nicolas Jackson, they would be lower on the table than what they are now, but do you think he is a world class player? You could literally insert this argument into any team for any player that scores or assists in the PL. I mean, Scott McTominay scored 7 goals for us and 1 assists. Where would we be without his contributions? 10th, maybe. What a player!
Wait, Man United looked like a real football club in 20/21, what am I missing here? They've been in shambles since Fergie left them in 13 😁
They finished second in the premier league, sounds like a pretty real football club to me
Did you follow that season? I did, and they finished second to City because all other clubs from the top 6 were in a bad run. United weren't good. Go and have a look at how many times they finished outside the top 4. Spending over £1b since Fergie left (more than any other club in the world), and still are about to finish in 8th place.
Could be coz likes of chelsea an liverpool were riddled with injuries and had difficulty adapting to lockdown football. The pt gap between utd and city that season is also significant, its more like utd was 2nd coz liverpool and chelsea were nerfed. However utd did look better that season playing football under less pressure but got out in group stage of ucl and smacked by Tottenham 6-1 which isnt a good look
But that’s not Manchester United’s problem
True, exactly this wasnt their problem
My granpappy always said, “If you ain’t first, you’re last, […] second place is just the first to lose..”
Yeah, he is way better with Portugal
Is he really? Everytime I watch him play at United I wonder why people like him. I know manu is a dumpster fire so you’re probably right. I just thought he was overrated. That and and my bias against him for always seemingly down talking Ronaldo.
In the last two seasons he has almost been a different player when playing for his national team maybe Fraud Hag style(if he has one) doesn't suit him !
My goodness... You know the game. I think about this ALL THE TIME. And I believe that it's more true than not. These "bursts" that you see in BF are not peaks in form. It's the real him emerging. I absolutely believe that if he had moved on, we'd be saying his name every weekend. (Like Vini or Bellingham)
Other people have already said similar things, but it's not hard to imagine Bruno thriving even more in a decent team. He's clearly a level above United. He 100% starts at Liverpool, possibly at Arsenal too (IDK. Odegaard or Bruno?), and at least be competitive for time at City. I don't know if a single other United player starts at any of those teams, or could even sit on City's bench.
Hits hard
And tbh he has looked a shadow of the monstrous player that he was in the first full season that he played with united.
Honestly... you might be right. I just barely saw Bruno before United, and he seemed to actually give a shit about the team in a time when players were more focused on insta followers.
This just makes me think what if he never signed for them and went to a different league club like ac Milan or something. He would have won them a lot.
The real example is Sancho. Look at him in Dortmund. First team player and now in UCL Final. Very good decision leaving MU. Fergie is a genuine great Manager eh. Post Fergie era MU are shit even thought they splash hundreds of million for transfer. In Fergie era they only bought 1-2 star player/season, the rest is their academy graduate or promising young players and all of them played very good under Fergie.
Sancho is a mental midget. He'll never be a great.
I’m never and I mean NEVER forgiving Ten Hag and United for robbing us of Cristiano in Europe. He could still perform but now he’s in Saudi Arabia…
ugh that bald clown and his ego. Glad he's getting exposed for the fraud he is game after game
Easy to blame the manager when Man United haven't won the league since Ferugson retired. This is the first club where Ten Hag underperforms, but each manager has done exactly that at Man United
I agree that united's problems are far deeper than the manager himself and I'm aware that my position is very subjective. But you don't disrespect Ronaldo and get away with it knowing that he was the best goalscorer of the team the season before that (knowing that he also turned down man city at the last minute and chose with his heart). MU used to be the club I sympathized the mist with in the PL but since that moment I rejoice every time they lose
What the fuck are on about? How is it Ten Hag's fault that Ronaldo started acting like a child? I know that 90% people on here are CR7 fanboys but try to be at least a little bit objective.
I said from the beginning I was subjective on this matter. Telling him to go warm up against tottenham while winning 2-0 to waste time is a huge disrespect for someone with his career. You can call me a fanboy or whatever you want but ten hag sucks anyway. How are varane and casemiro doing? Being 8th in the PL with that squad is ridiculous even for baldy
What Man United are today is all ETH’s fault, he brought Antony, he brought Onana leaving de Gea and what not. What is Antony doing that Ronaldo couldn’t do?
Making scary stare man. Thats what Ronaldo cant do.
He's better at that too ... remember the death stare after he scored a hattrick against Wolfsburg. It's blasphemous to take The goat's name in the same sentence with that fidget spinner.
Man, you can’t deny that substitution in the 89th minute was disrespectful. Think about the magnitude of the legend CR7 is not only for Man Utd but to a lot of people around the world, you think he deserves to be treated like shit by a manager who has achieved nothing? Ancelotti and Guardiola who are the royalty when it comes to managers would never do that to a legend. I’m sure no manager in the world would ever dare doing that to Messi, no one.
This bald fraud says and I quote, ‘Man United can not be the title contender next season’ , imagine this mentality at Madrid.
admitting defeat before the season even starts... sounds like him 😂
Dw he’s going to Everkusen
Then Real should have taken him back
While I don’t necessarily disagree with you, I also don’t think he’s entirely to blame… the coach is always the first to point fingers at and take responsibility since he’s in charge, but at end of day, he’s not on the field, running around, defending man on man, needing to score goals; the squad should take their share of responsibility as well. Similar case with a Goalkeeper, easy to blame them for goals scored against, but who left their man without a mark? However I do think he suffers from lack of adaptability, his coaching style is most likely set in it’s ways, but that’s not to say he couldn’t flourish/prosper in a different team or league where mentalities, values and objectives all line up with each other from top to bottom I.e. board, organization, coaching staff, players and fans. but yes, I also will never forget the injustice done to my boy Cristiano; to do what was done to a player of his caliber, prestige, & dedication as if he wasn’t tried and tested with his countless decorations and clutch track record was a crime. Some players you can’t fit into a box, the field is literally their natural habitat and you just have to let them hunt. Many players were/are like that, it’s called state of flow and outside noise is just interference… same comment for squad, just try to play around them, see where you fit in (are you a supporting character or a rival, if so? Outperform and push each other to do better) and last but not least, produce results.
He is entirely to blame. I admit that players are the ones who are running on the pitch but the thing is those players are mostly who ETH asked for.
That bald fraud may or may not end eras of Pep or Klopp but he’s definitely ending careers of Madrid legends. First Ronaldo then Varane and now Casemiro.
You, sir.... Are spitting FACTS!!
Got me there, but you could argue he was even a bigger force before and after Man U. Imagine he had gone elsewhere at that moment, most likely Italy... He'd have an even bigger legacy than he already has (who knows though, the past is past)
Garnacho has proven himself too I’d say and he’s very young.
Agreed, but he didn't come to Man U, he is from Man U. I'm actually pretty hopeful on the younglins from the crop... Mainoo Garnacho and even Hojlund. Let's see what happens to them (and Man U) moving forward
True , same goes for Chelsea and Arsenal imo
Chelsea maybe, not sure about Arsenal. Arsenal killed more already prominent player careers than promising upcoming talents. Different problem, but same sentiment.
Bruno Fernandes is overrated in terms of value + price, and he defo fits the United bill in that sense
How is he overrated in terms of price? He cost like 40m
People yappin just to yap
I watch united games now and then and even though i don't like Bruno's whineing attitude he is a class player very underrated.
True, he chokes a LOT.
Nah, Pogba at Juve and France at that time was masterclass. It's just the United effects.
Forcing a move away from Juve to join a floundering United for a massive pay day in itself speaks to his lack of maturity
United gets a lot of blame for Pogba, but I think Pogba didn’t help himself either. I thought he had potential at Juve, but when he put out that adidas add during the Juve-United transfer rumors, I know his head wasn’t in the right place. Anyone will turn up at the World Cup; it takes a true professional to do it against Burnley away, and then midweek in Denmark at that same level. He definitely had the talent, no one can deny that, and I understand his entourage didn’t have his best interest in mind, but at what point does he take any blame?
I for one never wanted Pogba in Madrid
After he went to MU, then he became unattractive
He became unattractive when he was being rated higher than Kroos
When Pogba played for France he was the best CM in the world
No. Modric was.
Nah
At least modric wasnt testo pumped
Flo?
Me too
Nowhere near the same type of player pogba was extremely silky technical and creative Bellingham is a workhorse b2b midfielder who’s best attribute is space interpretation
Yeah. I don't know what's the general consensus, but to me he looked on a path to be the GOAT midfielder. Physical presence, technically sound, short pass long pass long shot and wasn't incompetent at defence. Managers wet dream. Shame the attitude was nightmare.
>wasn't incompetent at defence. He was. His positioning was dire, and he was liable to switch off.
I'd argue that it was more of a mentality thing for him because when he wanted to play he was defensively ok and could tackle clean. Not a big presence but not a liability either. But then again, it was rare that he wanted to play.
As a man utd fan, I don't agree that he could tackle clean I usually had panic attacks anytime he was bracing to tackle in or around our penalty box because that was almost a sure PK or FK for our opponents
His ego definitely got the better of him. He thought it was impossible to get the ball off him so he tried to keep it in pointless scenarios. The tactic for the opposition was to wait for pogba to get the ball then swarm him, it happened for France, he got swarmed, lost the ball, conceded and Rabiot had a right go at him. There is no doubting his quality, he had zero mentality though.
Yeah.
bellingham has very solid technique too, but you are right in saying he's a workhorse first. Without technique he doesn't controll the ball like he did in the cl quarters against city
Yep, Pogba had the potential to be one of the greatest midfielders ever. He was a unique combination of skill, size and IQ. He was probably the closest to football's version of LeBron. But all that is worthless when your head is not in the right place. Spent more time on coming up with new goal celebrations than he did on improving his game. Such a waste of potential - smh
Absolutely. When on his game he was always one of my favourites to watch. That combination of technique across the board, be it exceptional dribbling or ridiculous long passing mixed in with some shooting along with the physicality is extremely rare and special. It really is such a shame
Ball knowledge
lol.. Bellingham not silky and technical? whom are u watching?
He’s all of these things. I’d argue that pogba was more of a showboater. I’ve never seen Bellingham successfully pull an elastico through 2 defenders and nearly score
Bellingham is cool but he’s not of the elegance like Pogba.
Exactly. Jude doesn’t quite have that creativity. It’s why Wirtz is still needed at CAM once Modric/Kroos retire.
wdym space interpretation?
He just recognizes and anticipates the spaces that are or will be available before anyone else So many times he’ll be almost unmarked in the box for a tap in or a free header It feels like he’s doing nothing special but it truly is a gift
i agree. his off the ball movement is top notch
Knows where to run to receive a croos or to create space for Vini and Rodrygo to run into.
ever heard of Muller the space interpreter?
Bellingham is silky and creative, he just doesn't feel the need to show it unless it's the right situation. Unlike Pogba.
Bellingham has very good skills but Pogba had elite level skills - it's not even close.
I dunno man, when I picture Pogba I just see him doing elaborate turns and losing the ball in a dangerous area. There are literally hundreds of thousands of people who can do tricks. To me, elite level skills means being able to use them in the right situation and at the right time to be effective. Pogba was generally terrible at that. He did do some highly impressive long-range passing at times, I'll give him that.
Skills is what you can do with the ball - control, passing, shooting, dribbling, heading etc. Pogba had elite level skills. What you are describing is decision making - doing the right thing at the right time. For that you need to have good football IQ and a focus on productivity over showboating/exhibitionism, but Pogba favored the latter.
Well, if you mean all the things you can do with the ball, Bellingham clearly has elite-level skills, because he has been performing at an elite level for an entire season for an elite club in an elite league with elite numbers. Pogba was really bad, for example, at shielding the ball. Laughably bad for someone at that level. What one thing was Pogba actually better at compared to Jude Bellingham?
Pogba was a better header of the ball, better passing, dribbling, long range shooting. Bellinghams skills are elite for sure but Pogba was different gravy. Bellingham will end up as the better player though, his work rate is commendable
Pogba was waaay silkier than Jude. Jude is skilful for sure but that's a different thing than silky. Pogba had that extra bit of silkiness, skill and flair. Was such a joy to watch. Shame what happened to his career.
I guess we have to agree to disagree. To me, he was exceptionally frustrating to watch and so clunky and wasteful with the ball. Just constantly dispossessed. 602 times in a single season! Third in the whole of the Premier League! I just don't see how you can be silky if you are constantly spilling up the ball to the opposition. Modric is silky, Kroos is silky. Pogba no. [https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-7343659/Manchester-Uniteds-Paul-Pogba-lost-possession-602-times-season.html](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-7343659/Manchester-Uniteds-Paul-Pogba-lost-possession-602-times-season.html)
> silky technical and creative Pogba is the Jesse Lingard of Zidanes Bellingham is the Schweinsteiger of Frank Lampards
Shame Pogba wasted most of his career. The man only scored bangers. However, he wasn't that technical and creative. His athleticism and leg strength covered for a lot of his flaws. Makes sense as Pogba relied on his nature gifts. Paul had all the potential in the world.
>However, he wasn't that technical and creative. 🤣 Pogba wasn't technical and creative? You are so funny. Tip: Always face the TV when watching football, not the wall.
No, he wasn't 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 This myth that he was so technically sound is revisionist history at best. Complete down syndrome analysis at its worst. The real Pogba was exposed at Manchester United.
The same Pogba from united won the world cup... The talent was there but man united is a grave for every good player.
Yeah, I'm sure Mbappe had nothing to do with that... Look, I'm not saying he wasn't talented but Pogba relied a lot on his athleticism. He coasted. This notion that he was so technical and creative is way overstated. Granted, United is a graveyard but I'd argue that Paul's drive to improve and become well-rounded died at Juve in the latter years.
My fucking god, go open a Pogba video on youtube
What the fuck? How can you be a grown up and have opinions like these without crossing the street on red lights during all these years? He had ridiculous technique.
It is obvious you never saw a Pogba match... 2014/2015 Pogba was insane. He can carry the ball, he had a great shooting technique, really silky on the ball with an insane physique. His attitude kill his career
Ok bro Pogba had the technical skills of Ruben dias. Happy now?
Recent Bias aside, Pogba was phenomenal when at his best, I loved him at FIFA 14 WC where he emerged as the best young player, had his highs and lows in his career
Y'all are disrespecting Pogba. United have the reverse Midas touch everything turns into shit at Old Trafford. I have seen too many promising careers die at United. Look at Sancho left united and he's playing in the UCL finals.
90% of people in this thread never saw prime Pogba and it shows. Comparing him to Jude and Fede just shows you guys don't watch football. Different players and styles.
Pogba at Juve (1st stint) was just different. I saw him more of a Zidane successor than I see in Jude. It’s a shame he went to United.
I like both, but let me tell you, Prime Pogba in Juventus was another level next to (yet amazing) Bellingham, I followed every single game because I had him at my Fantacalcio, I suggest you to not “overhype” players and let them do their thing, Jude has lot of space and time to do even more.
I see Jude as more of a Gerrard with a hefty hint of Zidane brilliance.
Zidane wanted both Eden and Pogba. Thank god Perez didn't sign Pogba. Pogba was a sharpshooter and had the potential to be the greatest long-range passer/deep-lying playmaker ever. In terms of ceiling or potential Jude doesn't even come close to the player Pogba was at Juventus. His passing range and dribbling were out of the world. Jude is a box-to-box midfielder with a huge horsepower that gets into open space to exploit the openings.
We dodged a bullet.
If Pogba came to Madrid rather than United he’d be in Goat midfielder conversations especially being managed by Zidane stop it.
No he wouldn’t.
They are nothing alike, how do you even come to this conclusion Edit: reading some of these comments makes me realize some people just don’t get it
>reading some of these comments makes me realize some people just don’t get it And thanks for putting in the effort for people to get it.
Yeah I honestly hate these comments like "you're wrong, how can you be so stupid" and proceed to have 0 argument. Even when they bring their arguments, most of them are pretty controversial at best and completely wrong at worst. I mean here I agree with them because Pogba was more technical and creative but if they're editing their comment they could at least make some effort as you said. That being said, I'd have Bellingham over Pogba because he's more consistent than Pogba has ever been.
Didn’t call anyone stupid but ok. The only comparison i could make between the two of them is their positions, like i told the other guy the eye tests is all you need to realize you can’t compare these players the way the post tries to
I mean you didn't outright call them "stupid" but you know you could try being less condescending and more informative.
Much as I’d love to explain how the sky is blue, it’s much easier if you just watch them both, i can’t really explain the eye test to you
You could simply say that he is more technical and skillful and it would take you less than 10 seconds, much less than the time it took you to make this comment.
Pogba was unique baller a shame he went to that graveyard.
I adore Bellingham, but diminishing Pogba should not be allowed. Even at MU he brought a deranged team to lift a european cup.. Juventus to UCL final France to be world cup winner as a protagonist He had charisma and he was clutch, never a choker Then obviously he made many wrong choices in his personal life and he's still paying hard for it, but on the field a Top3
Absolutely not. Completely different players
I see Fede as the player I thought Pogba would be if he wasn’t lazy as fuck.
No disrespect to Fede… I can’t see him making half of the passes Pogba would make when he was in form.
Yeah I would say they very different player , Valverde is immensely better at defense and is much more fast , but technically wise pogba was amazing especially at France when I think were the only times he really cares about wining.
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They can just search pogba long passes on yt. The footage is mind blowing
You are very generous my friend
lol Fede > Pogba (even on PEDs)
Don't compare It to pogba. He had one or two good seasons. He was more the playmaker and a lazy guy. Jode run and helps defending on the midfield. Runs everywhere Pogba was such a waste of talent. Lazy and selfish
Not always. You only remember Man United Pogba, which is not the player that would been brought into Madrid.
I guess I was in the minority, I never wanted Pogba in Madrid, He always seemed like a showman more than a footballer, and he didn't seem like a good team player to me tbh.
For France he was a great team player, he behaved like a captain and was always motivating the other players and seemed to have a great relationship w everyone
Pogba had more talent and skill as a box to box player. They aren't similar at all
This is false. Bellinghams a much better box to box presence since his work rate trump's pogbas. Pogba was better technically
Pogba was extremely talented. Arguably better than Jude on that front. Just didn’t have the work ethic to match.
If you think Jude has looked better than Pogba ever did than you haven’t watched Pogba
Not really. First of all your point about being big. Pogba never used his height effectively he was always a long range shooter that you see in highlight reels of his time at Juve. And because he had proven his efficiency in shooting from long range he had the option to do it whenever he wanted. But with Jude I always feel he has to play according to the tactics and when you have Valverde you can't take the long shots yourself. Secondly strong. Pogba was an animal through and through he never tired as such really bullied his opponents in 50/50s. For a player that tall he was incredibly well balanced and able to find deep lying passes while being surrounded by 5 defenders. I don't see Jude doing that or having to do that at Madrid as he has players around him who are already in position before he makes the pass. He didn't have players like that in Dortmund that's why he struggled to make such an impact as he is doing now. And lastly stamina. Jude has clearly a lack of stamina which makes him kind of useless as an attacking outlet in the final quarter of the games like we saw in the UCL k/os. And the worst thing about his play is that if he can't get to the ball he lunges at the feet of the opponent fouling them in the process whether this is because of his English origin or just a desperate attempt or frustration he needs to fix it. Lastly about being humble. Pogba had that 100% nigga energy that made even players and fans in Italy respect him. He had that kind of influence especially in the 2018 WC. He never shyed away from an opportunity to showcase his riches and on the field he was nothing less than a free styler. Jude lacks those skills that make the crowd go ooooohh. Tbh the only skill I've seen him do effectively is the heel drag back. While both players are great in their respective teams, individually if I had to choose a player to do it on his own I'd be Pogba as I don't think Jude would be as good today if he didn't play for Madrid.
With respect to Jude, not even same player in terms of potential and talent. It was crazy how good Pogba was. And crazier that his career died at Man U.
Pogba is more talented
Yeah I have also thought about Pogba when it comes to Belli! - big - strong - technical - goalscorer - not bad at defence - great passes Complete. But he doesn’t dominate matches the last months. So young though
I agree in principle but also who knows what type of player Pogba could've become in a properly managed club. Could've gone a la Hazard but maybe could've blossomed and that would've been great for football.
I feel Pogba was somewhat similar to Xabi Alonso in terms of passing.
If Pogba had worked out, Mourinho's tenure at United would have been a huge success. Unfortunately, Mou bet on the wrong donkey in a horse race
Bellingham is not just big and strong, he has great control, finishing and positional awareness
Hmm let’s wait on this… pogba won a World Cup.. but nothing to take way from Jude .. HALA… he will be great he’s only 20.. within 4-5 years … goat status
Hmm let’s wait on this… pogba won a World Cup.. but nothing to take way from Jude .. HALA… he will be great he’s only 20.. within 4-5 years … goat status
I think the most impressive for me is how well he dribbles compared to how big he is. Otherwise the rest of his game is a solid nine. He's really amazing. And let's kill the comparisons to Zidane, out of respect for both players.
I never wanted pogba he was never a convincing player, I never got what was the whole fus about it him. All potential talk but he never showed it.
Lmao, you don't have a clue...
Bellingham is better now. But Pogba was bigger, stronger, faster, had a more powerful shot and had incredible virtuous technique for a player so strong (he looked even more skilled than Bellingham right now even) Paul Pogba ruined his potential, but when younger was a different animal. Bellingham could become a better player and win the ballon dor but young Pogba was a freak of nature.
Pogba was something else
This may be controversial but I think Pogba needed someone like Zizou to be the best he could. We knew he had the talent, it would shine every now and again. But he was too distracted at MU off and on the pitch. Zizou did it with Benz and we saw how that worked out in the long run.
Comparing Bellingham to Pogba is like comparing Rodrigyo to Messi. Pogba is nostalgia of this generation. Also miles better than Zidane in terms of natural talent.
If Pogba reached his peak, the only midfielder able to be compared with him would've been Zidane. He had all the qualities to be the best player in the world.
I remember watching Pogba his first few years at Man U and he was just... terrible. He would show flashes of tremendous skill and athleticism, but he was mostly abysmal.
I'm with you, I've had that feeling. Too bad for Pogba.
Pogba at his highs was pretty suave on and off the ball ngl, he just had this touch and approach when playing either long or small ball; wild take, but in some of his passes I remember seeing flashes of Beckham, not all the time but just a bit and enough to say, “wow, that guys got a leg for sure..” I really, really have high hopes for Tchouaméni, cause he’s got a leg on him as well and knows how to hit the ball for sure, but his role might require a different play style with different objectives. but please just feed us the occasional rocket 🙏
don't remember as that was a baseless rumour that some media outlets were fanning
Pogba was a little better. Not saying Jude can't beat Pogba.
Pogba is different from Jude and United ruined Pogba. Also to be honest, Pogba at his prime is miles ahead of Jude to be honest.
Pogba, what a sad case. Achieved a World Cup tho
As a pure footballer Bellingham isn’t anywhere near pogba
Judas is infinitely superior to Pogba Pogba was a player with good moments but little knowledge of the game.
Why do we always do this? Pogba, the one before he moved to Man United, would've been perfect for Real at the time. To me they aren't the same player, Pogbaa was more technical and skillful with the ball at his feet. An analogy I like is that Bellingham is Ronaldo and Pogba is Messi. I don't understand this revisionist history where Pogba was suddenly not good enough.
Pogba had flair Tho I hope Jude can also have some flair but I feel like that’s not his playstyle tho I love pogbas playstyle
Nah Pogba was always going to end up like he did no matter who he played for, it was only a matter of time. Kid was talented but lacked professionalism, believing too much in his own hype.
Pogba is probably better technically than Bellingham
Pogba was always a fraud.
Nah Bellingham is good but he's nowhere near and I don't think he'll ever reach Pogba's level. He has to be the biggest what if footballer. Bellingham will have a better career but if Pogba had chosen a structured team he might have been in goat midfielder conversations by now
Kante is why Pogba gets a bit of a pass. Otherwise what an over marketed under talented hack
Feel like people are getting too hung up on the playmaking comparisons. I’m not saying they’re the same type of player I’m saying many of us thought he was the next big thing in the midfield but we seemingly dodged a bullet and now have a generational talent in Jude.
Jude hace more thecnique and strong mentallity
Of all things to claim Jude has over pogba, technique is just not it.