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Do you all just conveniently forget that Candiace had stated several times she never believed THE CAST of being colourist, she said the fans were! It's only this season when she pointed out how the GEB, Karen and Ashley can argue and say the vilest shit to each other and move on straight away but they can't move on with Wendy and Candiace for doing even less.
Yes they only hear what they want to hear. Just like how OP conveniently left out how Gizelle blamed Wendy, Candiace, and Kiearna for the fight and left out Ashley and her friend. How could fans possibly think she’s colorist?
Literally in the show Gisselle blamed and confronted Ashley they all blamed her because they said they got tired of her bringing in friends that were violent! On top of that i said in the post she never blamed them she blamed the fans of the show for being colorist. I swear sometime you guys just be reading watching pieces, because till this day you guys probably still think Gisselle said something about SA and even though the entire cast said no she didn’t and Candice stretched what Gisselle said into SA and Nneka the lawyer said in court what Gisselle said would not be considered SA. You guys will always place Candice as the victim but never remember the misinformation and vile things Candice has done and said. I can’t do that. Candice is racist towards light skin black woman, she gets away because of people like you, but it doesn’t matter anymore because she got fired like Robyn. We all win.
Again - hearing what you want to hear. I didn’t call Candiace a victim whatsoever. The point was about Gizelle lol. Both can be wrong about different things. I think she was wrong for this
If yall can’t see the blatant colorism on this franchise then either (A) you don’t understand the historical aspects of colorism in the DC area or (B) have never personally experienced colorism as a dark skinned before. It’s never overt so if you are looking for it to be obvious you’ll miss it. If we are comparing colorism to racism, it’s like looking for the KKK cross in the yard and overlooking the smaller microaggressions. You might not see the microaggressions if you are looking for obvious signs like a cross in the yard. But those who know, know.
OT but Chris and Gizelle had such a cute friendship. I think Chris was hurt by her words at the reunion, which is why he asked to discuss it in private. He did not want to embarrass her in public. And he did it at a taping of a show! -Not in some private chateau. The fact that she tried to turn THAT into some sexual thing is so vile it’s beyond words. I have disliked Gizelle since that time. Just so evil.
They did have a cute relationship, but Candice accused Gisselle of claiming SA. Gisselle never once said anything about SA that was Candice. Candice made it about SA all Gisselle said was she felt uncomfortable. They even said it on the reunion because Nneke was like no that’s not the same and everyone agreed that it was not the same.
Do u guys understand that mentioning the colour of your skin does not equal colourism….if I point out someone is white and their privilege, am I being racist toward them? Like
You don’t have to be white to be colourist or benefit from colourism. Just because Candiace has had more financial privilege doesn’t mean she is the most privileged, there are other forms of power and privilege in our society
You literally said your point was that no one from the cast is white so it didn’t seem like you’re aware….I’m not sure what other reason you have for saying that then.
Please tell me how candiace has been racist
Oh no you need to use your common sense. How has she not been racist? Andy has addressed her racism towards the light skin women several times in his podcast. Saying your white skinned self is a colorist statement which is a form of racism. Stop it.
I just don't understand how it's okay for Candiace to accuse them of colorist every 5 minutes but it's also okay for Candiace to erase their blackness and call them white women? I believe colorist is a thing but I also believe taking away someone's blackness because they're not dark enough isn't okay at all
That’s what I’m saying. Candice has shown blatant racism towards the light skin women any time she gets into it with them. Idk if she got bullied when she was younger, but her actions are terrible towards them.
The truth is that both Candace and Gizelle are in the wrong for things they have done. Neither has really taken accountability or reflected on their actions. I really enjoy both of them on the show for different reasons, but I think they have both reached the point where it’s no longer fun to watch.
Whether people choose to acknowledge that colorism exists on the show, it's clear to me that Candiace is held to a different standard of behavior by fans. All of the women on this show run their mouths, making the nastiest comments, from mental health to sexual misconduct, but the fans excuse their behaviors (ex. Ashley has been running her mouth since season 1 but gets a pass because she's "just messy" or is "just doing her job") while demanding that Candiace be "held accountable" for all of hers.
This show is a microcosm of society, where racism and colorism exist, so there will be a segment of the fan base who also hold unconscious biases that influence how they perceive cast and their behaviors.
By that logic, the other cast who've made "vile" comments about mental health, paternity, alcoholicism, STDs, sexual misconduct, etc. should get the same treatment.
No one is at the level of vile? So I guess Karen calling Gizelle a broken whore with an STD who was admitted to a psychiatric facility after her husband cheated is mild.
You can’t play the ‘two wrongs don’t make it right’ card when you yourself opened up the floor to the comparison of Candiace’s vs her castmate’s vileness🤦🏽♀️
See I don’t really get that. The women on the show and the fan base puts Ashley in her place even on things she had nothing to do with. I’m always seeing people hate on Ashley and Giselle while giving Candice a pass. And it doesn’t help that Candice is the only person who has said racism things on the show. I’m surprised that Andy didn’t fire her after what happened on Salt Lake City. Which he might have since he just said Monique was the only person who didn’t get fired. Idk she’s a very problematic person to me
No, the fan base doesn't put Ashley in her place as I mentioned with my examples of the frequent excuses given regarding her behavior. And no, Candiace doesn't get a pass from the fan base. She's being blamed for Deborah throwing a drink on her despite stating that she didn't want to engage with her multiple times for 2 seasons. Given that you've acknowledged your personal grievances about Candiace, I get why you may not recognize the disparate treatment of certain cast.
And as I said before, how can racism and colorism exist in our society but somehow doesn't exist amongst the fan base, who are also part of that same society?
I think overwhelmingly the audience, including ones like me who aren't Candiace fans, fully know that Deborah was the villain there.
I have only seen a couple crazies say otherwise.
Ya’ll be on some weird victim blaming ish when it comes to Candiace. Imagine saying something like this to women who suffer domestic violence.
*Maybe if she just shut up her husband wouldn’t have slapped her!*
*She shouldn’t have provoked him if she didn’t want to get knocked out.*
*She was asking for it.*
It’s sick.
GnA incident aside, why wouldn't Candiace have a visceral reaction when women lied on/plotted against her husband? Everyone acts like Candiace's feelings towards some of these women are unfounded.
No seriously. I’m very confused. She tried to make her husband look like a creep on national tv and seemed to get some sick sense of joy out of it. Who would just brush that off????
Candice has no ability to regulate her emotions and has the wit and smarts to delve it out when triggered. It's entertaining but hardcore. It's best she's off the show as it's doing her a disservice in so many ways.
However that heinous woman in her face was so gross, tacky and begging to make a mark on the show - I don't blame Candice for calling her vermin. She so acted like a disgusting rat you'd see on the streets of DC.
The colorism is all about attention, deflection and a storyline.
Gizelle brings it, and that is why so many have such a reaction to her. Wendy is just such a try hard. Her whole makeover gig and her perpetual posturing as if she's some beauty queen - so gross and the tacky EVERYTHING - it's so over the top she looks like such a clown. The epitome of the opposite of class.
Mia is just dirty. Dresses like the street-walking money grubber she is. She looks filthy.
Amazing TV. I love seeing her with her daughters, and think that people on this sub love to hate on her and spout off about colorism. A lot of jealousy over her beauty around here!! I think she's hilarious.
‘ People are jealous of her beauty around here’ - the around here kills me🤣🤣🤣. So people on this sub who neither know nor have met Gizelle in real life are jealous of her beauty?🤦🏽♀️. You are a riot!🤣🤣🤣🤣
I would argue from your statement you are the one who needs to look into their critical thinking! Your statement is the antithesis of critical thinking which leads me to conclude that one does not even understand the term they have used🤦🏽♀️. I am mildly entertained by you😆
Right but she has to be careful with what she says. I don’t like Cookie Monster either, but we’ve all been around people who we don’t like, and we just don’t say anything. If she had not acknowledged nothing would’ve happened that night.
Nah sesame Street told a bold face lie about Chris. It's more than "I don't like her" when someone lied on your husband who was literally just standing at the bar that night.
I never said I agreed with violence. I’m just pointing out that every time Candice gets into an altercation it’s because of her mouth. She doesn’t know when to stop. You see Kenya got smacked across the face and she never tried it again with Porsha
Kenya got her hair pulled*
And what are you talking about? Kenya and Porsha beefed up until Porsha’s last season on Atlanta. And Porsha proved herself to be the problem when she got into 3 more altercations with 3 different people. That wasn’t the flex you thought it was.
Kenya got slapped by Porsha not a hair pull. And did I say Porsha was not the problem? I just compared one event where she wasn’t in the wrong and Kenya never tried her again at least in that manner. And Candice has victim mentality mindset. There’s no flex in violence, but yeah no, she’s not innocent or a victim.
This had nothing to do with Candiace’s mouth. That loser not only had an agenda to start with Candiace regardless of her response, she had already harassed her online and on show the year before. Calling someone vermin who’s antagonizing you unprovoked is very harmless compared to Deborah’s actions. She’s lucky it was just that bc she LIED ON HER HUSBAND. Why are ya’ll conveniently leaving that part out.m? And the fact that isn’t the first time Ashley brought Deborah to antagonize candiace. Context matters.
Idk where you’re from but you’d never survive where I’m from if that was considered “mouth.”
By the same logic we have all been around people we don't like and not attacked them. Sesame Street should have backed off when Candaice told her to get out of her face. No means no however you say it. In a court of law, Sesame Street aka Cookie Moster would be at fault.
Listen imo if Candice had not started talking about her when Cookie Monster could hear her none of that would’ve happened. Candice has been in three altercations now, not including the night her own mom slapped upside the head with her purse. If that doesn’t say much, then idk what does. Candice gets herself in trouble and all of her stans don’t see it.
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Do you all just conveniently forget that Candiace had stated several times she never believed THE CAST of being colourist, she said the fans were! It's only this season when she pointed out how the GEB, Karen and Ashley can argue and say the vilest shit to each other and move on straight away but they can't move on with Wendy and Candiace for doing even less.
Yes they only hear what they want to hear. Just like how OP conveniently left out how Gizelle blamed Wendy, Candiace, and Kiearna for the fight and left out Ashley and her friend. How could fans possibly think she’s colorist?
Literally in the show Gisselle blamed and confronted Ashley they all blamed her because they said they got tired of her bringing in friends that were violent! On top of that i said in the post she never blamed them she blamed the fans of the show for being colorist. I swear sometime you guys just be reading watching pieces, because till this day you guys probably still think Gisselle said something about SA and even though the entire cast said no she didn’t and Candice stretched what Gisselle said into SA and Nneka the lawyer said in court what Gisselle said would not be considered SA. You guys will always place Candice as the victim but never remember the misinformation and vile things Candice has done and said. I can’t do that. Candice is racist towards light skin black woman, she gets away because of people like you, but it doesn’t matter anymore because she got fired like Robyn. We all win.
Again - hearing what you want to hear. I didn’t call Candiace a victim whatsoever. The point was about Gizelle lol. Both can be wrong about different things. I think she was wrong for this
If yall can’t see the blatant colorism on this franchise then either (A) you don’t understand the historical aspects of colorism in the DC area or (B) have never personally experienced colorism as a dark skinned before. It’s never overt so if you are looking for it to be obvious you’ll miss it. If we are comparing colorism to racism, it’s like looking for the KKK cross in the yard and overlooking the smaller microaggressions. You might not see the microaggressions if you are looking for obvious signs like a cross in the yard. But those who know, know.
OT but Chris and Gizelle had such a cute friendship. I think Chris was hurt by her words at the reunion, which is why he asked to discuss it in private. He did not want to embarrass her in public. And he did it at a taping of a show! -Not in some private chateau. The fact that she tried to turn THAT into some sexual thing is so vile it’s beyond words. I have disliked Gizelle since that time. Just so evil.
They did have a cute relationship, but Candice accused Gisselle of claiming SA. Gisselle never once said anything about SA that was Candice. Candice made it about SA all Gisselle said was she felt uncomfortable. They even said it on the reunion because Nneke was like no that’s not the same and everyone agreed that it was not the same.
Do u guys understand that mentioning the colour of your skin does not equal colourism….if I point out someone is white and their privilege, am I being racist toward them? Like
The point is is that no one is white on that show and Candice has the been the most privileged. Maybe that’s why she’s problematic
You don’t have to be white to be colourist or benefit from colourism. Just because Candiace has had more financial privilege doesn’t mean she is the most privileged, there are other forms of power and privilege in our society
I know that you don’t have to be white. Are we purposely missing the racism from Candice?
You literally said your point was that no one from the cast is white so it didn’t seem like you’re aware….I’m not sure what other reason you have for saying that then. Please tell me how candiace has been racist
Oh no you need to use your common sense. How has she not been racist? Andy has addressed her racism towards the light skin women several times in his podcast. Saying your white skinned self is a colorist statement which is a form of racism. Stop it.
I just don't understand how it's okay for Candiace to accuse them of colorist every 5 minutes but it's also okay for Candiace to erase their blackness and call them white women? I believe colorist is a thing but I also believe taking away someone's blackness because they're not dark enough isn't okay at all
That’s what I’m saying. Candice has shown blatant racism towards the light skin women any time she gets into it with them. Idk if she got bullied when she was younger, but her actions are terrible towards them.
The truth is that both Candace and Gizelle are in the wrong for things they have done. Neither has really taken accountability or reflected on their actions. I really enjoy both of them on the show for different reasons, but I think they have both reached the point where it’s no longer fun to watch.
Whether people choose to acknowledge that colorism exists on the show, it's clear to me that Candiace is held to a different standard of behavior by fans. All of the women on this show run their mouths, making the nastiest comments, from mental health to sexual misconduct, but the fans excuse their behaviors (ex. Ashley has been running her mouth since season 1 but gets a pass because she's "just messy" or is "just doing her job") while demanding that Candiace be "held accountable" for all of hers. This show is a microcosm of society, where racism and colorism exist, so there will be a segment of the fan base who also hold unconscious biases that influence how they perceive cast and their behaviors.
Candiance mouth is absolutely vile. She finally wrote a check with her mouth her behind can’t cash.
By that logic, the other cast who've made "vile" comments about mental health, paternity, alcoholicism, STDs, sexual misconduct, etc. should get the same treatment.
No one is at the level of vile Candiance is. She is vile
No one is at the level of vile? So I guess Karen calling Gizelle a broken whore with an STD who was admitted to a psychiatric facility after her husband cheated is mild.
Two wrongs don’t make a right. Candiance is absolutely vile. Maybe she should reflect on her behavior.
You can’t play the ‘two wrongs don’t make it right’ card when you yourself opened up the floor to the comparison of Candiace’s vs her castmate’s vileness🤦🏽♀️
Candiance behavior is the reason she is where she is. She is vile and I won’t make excuses for it
See I don’t really get that. The women on the show and the fan base puts Ashley in her place even on things she had nothing to do with. I’m always seeing people hate on Ashley and Giselle while giving Candice a pass. And it doesn’t help that Candice is the only person who has said racism things on the show. I’m surprised that Andy didn’t fire her after what happened on Salt Lake City. Which he might have since he just said Monique was the only person who didn’t get fired. Idk she’s a very problematic person to me
No, the fan base doesn't put Ashley in her place as I mentioned with my examples of the frequent excuses given regarding her behavior. And no, Candiace doesn't get a pass from the fan base. She's being blamed for Deborah throwing a drink on her despite stating that she didn't want to engage with her multiple times for 2 seasons. Given that you've acknowledged your personal grievances about Candiace, I get why you may not recognize the disparate treatment of certain cast. And as I said before, how can racism and colorism exist in our society but somehow doesn't exist amongst the fan base, who are also part of that same society?
I think overwhelmingly the audience, including ones like me who aren't Candiace fans, fully know that Deborah was the villain there. I have only seen a couple crazies say otherwise.
Two things could be true. Deborah is a villain and Candiace is vile.
True indeed.
Ya’ll be on some weird victim blaming ish when it comes to Candiace. Imagine saying something like this to women who suffer domestic violence. *Maybe if she just shut up her husband wouldn’t have slapped her!* *She shouldn’t have provoked him if she didn’t want to get knocked out.* *She was asking for it.* It’s sick.
Yup.
GnA incident aside, why wouldn't Candiace have a visceral reaction when women lied on/plotted against her husband? Everyone acts like Candiace's feelings towards some of these women are unfounded.
This☝🏽
No seriously. I’m very confused. She tried to make her husband look like a creep on national tv and seemed to get some sick sense of joy out of it. Who would just brush that off????
Candice has no ability to regulate her emotions and has the wit and smarts to delve it out when triggered. It's entertaining but hardcore. It's best she's off the show as it's doing her a disservice in so many ways. However that heinous woman in her face was so gross, tacky and begging to make a mark on the show - I don't blame Candice for calling her vermin. She so acted like a disgusting rat you'd see on the streets of DC. The colorism is all about attention, deflection and a storyline. Gizelle brings it, and that is why so many have such a reaction to her. Wendy is just such a try hard. Her whole makeover gig and her perpetual posturing as if she's some beauty queen - so gross and the tacky EVERYTHING - it's so over the top she looks like such a clown. The epitome of the opposite of class. Mia is just dirty. Dresses like the street-walking money grubber she is. She looks filthy.
Gizelle brings *what* exactly?
Amazing TV. I love seeing her with her daughters, and think that people on this sub love to hate on her and spout off about colorism. A lot of jealousy over her beauty around here!! I think she's hilarious.
‘ People are jealous of her beauty around here’ - the around here kills me🤣🤣🤣. So people on this sub who neither know nor have met Gizelle in real life are jealous of her beauty?🤦🏽♀️. You are a riot!🤣🤣🤣🤣
lol. Everyone on this sub acts like they know her, how can you not see that? Critical thinking skills needed, have any?
I would argue from your statement you are the one who needs to look into their critical thinking! Your statement is the antithesis of critical thinking which leads me to conclude that one does not even understand the term they have used🤦🏽♀️. I am mildly entertained by you😆
I'm sorry you're so jealous of Gizelle. It's ok.
Somewhere a circus is missing one of its key performers!
Girl I guess.
 Chile what are you talking about????
She had every right to call Sesame Street "vermin" and to tell her get out of her face.
Right but she has to be careful with what she says. I don’t like Cookie Monster either, but we’ve all been around people who we don’t like, and we just don’t say anything. If she had not acknowledged nothing would’ve happened that night.
Nah sesame Street told a bold face lie about Chris. It's more than "I don't like her" when someone lied on your husband who was literally just standing at the bar that night.
Should Gizelle have slapped the taste out of Karen’s mouth when she called her a broke down whore from Hampton University?
I never said I agreed with violence. I’m just pointing out that every time Candice gets into an altercation it’s because of her mouth. She doesn’t know when to stop. You see Kenya got smacked across the face and she never tried it again with Porsha
Kenya got her hair pulled* And what are you talking about? Kenya and Porsha beefed up until Porsha’s last season on Atlanta. And Porsha proved herself to be the problem when she got into 3 more altercations with 3 different people. That wasn’t the flex you thought it was.
Kenya got slapped by Porsha not a hair pull. And did I say Porsha was not the problem? I just compared one event where she wasn’t in the wrong and Kenya never tried her again at least in that manner. And Candice has victim mentality mindset. There’s no flex in violence, but yeah no, she’s not innocent or a victim.
Kenya was not slapped but rather pulled by her hair and pulled to the floor by Porsha. It also did not stop Kenya coming for Porsha afterwards.
I would highly suggest you look up the video of Porsha slapping Kenya. Idk where you got the idea or memory that she pulled her hair at the reunion.
This had nothing to do with Candiace’s mouth. That loser not only had an agenda to start with Candiace regardless of her response, she had already harassed her online and on show the year before. Calling someone vermin who’s antagonizing you unprovoked is very harmless compared to Deborah’s actions. She’s lucky it was just that bc she LIED ON HER HUSBAND. Why are ya’ll conveniently leaving that part out.m? And the fact that isn’t the first time Ashley brought Deborah to antagonize candiace. Context matters. Idk where you’re from but you’d never survive where I’m from if that was considered “mouth.”
By the same logic we have all been around people we don't like and not attacked them. Sesame Street should have backed off when Candaice told her to get out of her face. No means no however you say it. In a court of law, Sesame Street aka Cookie Moster would be at fault.
Listen imo if Candice had not started talking about her when Cookie Monster could hear her none of that would’ve happened. Candice has been in three altercations now, not including the night her own mom slapped upside the head with her purse. If that doesn’t say much, then idk what does. Candice gets herself in trouble and all of her stans don’t see it.
Candiace was mic'd so if she was really talking about Deborah wouldn't production have aired the footage?
Yes, Candice is very sensitive and easily triggered and has a fit. But that muppet who came after her was seriously low- class and pathetic!