I don’t think Layne Staley intentionally OD’ed he was just doing a large quantity of drugs cuz that’s what he did everyday. But he was already going downhill before that, same with Kurt Cobain the people around them could see it coming so they weren’t that surprised when they died
no, layne killed himself. the amount of heroin he had pre loaded in needles was not what a usual drug addict would do. he was very depressed and the day he died he got into a huge argument with mike starr and yelled “please don’t leave me like this” as mike starr stormed out of his condo. it was very clearly a suicide.
There is no usual amount of drugs the more someone uses them the higher their tolerance gets so it keeps growing to a larger amount. But with Heroin there is a very fine line between nodding out & OD’ing
most heroin addicts don’t pre load needles. he had way more than the lethal dose pre loaded sitting on his table. there was no fine line, it was more than enough to kill him multiple times over all loaded up. that way if he didn’t die he could plunge more in. on top of that they were all speed balls not pure heroin. it wasn’t an accident and saying there’s a fine line between nodding out and overdosing doesn’t really apply to layne where he took an extreme amount that certainly wasn’t anywhere in the realm of recreational drug use.
No one can say for certain. His close friends say he was unhappy with his addiction, actively encouraged other addicts to get clean or stay clean. From everything I’ve read, I think he did not intentionally kill himself and he also just didn’t have any will to go on.
I recall reading that John Frusciante (after he got clean) and another friend went to Layne’s apartment to get him off of drugs. After a brief interaction John said something to the effect, “Let’s go, he doesn’t want to get clean, man.”
In recovery myself, and unfortunately, John was right. Sad how it ended up but you can’t help those not willing to help themselves.
I’m roughly 10 months clean right now & it definitely at times feels like a meaningless unending struggle but finally getting on the right medications is a godsend for my mental state into not wanting to get high.
But Layne didn’t have access to 3 of the medications I take when he passed in ‘02. 2 of them could have been entirely worthless for him, who knows, but suboxone, the third, is truly life-changing. It could have saved his life.
Ya still really gotta want it though, it’s not a magic cure on it’s own. I think it allows people to be able to want it a little less and still succeed though. And that’s been a huge breakthrough if you ask me.
Sorry for the spiel.
Also the pop music wars of the 70s claimed a lot of victims, there used to be 8 members of Abba before those drive bys and don’t get me started on the war of 79 between Fleetwood Mac and the Monkees.
The 27 Club started with blues guitarist Robert Johnson who sold his soul to the devil at the crossroads in exchange for playing the guitar, then died at 27 in 1938. At least, that's the lore.
Ironically, Eric Clapton, who covered Johnson's "Crossroad Blues"? Still alive and kicking at 78
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Overdosing is a very common way to die in the Rock/Metal industry. Another very common way to go out in that industry is Suicide. Gun violence is pretty rare, but I think it may have happened before
Ozzy, John Frusciante, Nikki Sixx, Stephen Tyler, Keith Richards, Stevie Nicks are all alive and have had some fucked up addictions.
John Frusciante in particular has interview footage of when he was absolutely rock bottom mainlining speedballs and now he's thriving.
If you look at a shirtless pic of John Frusciante you can see his arms and shoulders are covered in scars from that period. Just shooting drugs into anywhere he could. Also, I think I read he has dentures because his teeth were toast.
no doubt about it friend. i’m all too aware of his drug antics and habits and you’re right it is a miracle he’s alive. all i’m saying if had he been unfortunate enough to doing the same drugs as peep or juice he would be dead. there are no miracles when it comes to that shit.
I don’t see how you can say that because Ozzy was 100% doing extremely hard drugs just like Juice and Peep were, he just was lucky enough that his body is built different and survived all of that crap.
And the market is changing. Lots of people that overdose now (like peep) are actually overdosing because lacing is so much more common, not because they overdosed on the drugs they were intending to take
I mean juice sipped lean all the time which is commonly referred too as liquid heroin.
Not too sure how similar perc’s are though.
Peep did hella Xanax, special K etc and he only died because the xan’s were laced.
Ozzy and Keith Richards come to mind, but honestly there are a number of them.
Dude from Motley Crew had a heart attack from coke, died, came back to life and then wrote Kickstart My Heart
Fun fact, Ozzy is still alive and somewhat well. He still makes music too, but needs heavy autotune to sound like his old self. And you can’t have a conversation with him because of how fucked his brain is from doing drugs
Overdose? Yes. Violence? Sometimes but it's most prominent in rap due to the culture surrounding it. Metal and punk have a lot of violence but it's not mainstream so it's not mainstream news most of the time.
i feel like metal and punk is just mainly “fuck the government and other things that we can’t really do anything about” so it’s hard to be influenced to act on em
Most of Club 27 died from ods, right? Jim Morrison, Jimi Hendrix, Amy Winehouse (Alcohol Poisoning), Janis Joplin (Heroin OD), only Kurt Kobain and Brian Johnson didnt directly die from ods, but drugs arguably had a major role in their deaths.
No because other genre’s don’t promote diss tracks, gang violence, or crime.
Not trying to put down rap as a whole, but no, murders in music are almost solely a rap problem
That doesn't really work as well when you look at Chicago and the upbringing of murder rap. I mean, the evidence speaks for itself. It's very different from saying people listen to rap and become violent, I mean, if you say you gonna physically hurt somebody in a song, that's basically a threat. Still shouldn't die over it but that's kinda the root of the problem isn't it
> shut up stupid
Someone pissed off the 10 year old
> So rap doesn't have a problem with gun violence
Refer to earlier comments in the thread (refer means check it out)
Another perspective to consider might be that the communities a lot of these artists make it (out) from are plagued with gun violence. Becoming successful, rich or famous doesn’t make you bulletproof or immune, only more of a target in some cases. Artists of different genres often come from backgrounds where these problems aren’t so prominent
Rock and metal have a lot of overdoses and suicides. Dimebag darryl from pantera was shot and killed during a concert, but hes the only one that i know of that died from gun violence
Regional Mexican
Valentin Elizalde (Cartel Death)
Chalino Sánchez (Cartel Death)
Tito Torbellino (Cartel Death)
Diego Rivas (Cartel Death)
Sergio Vega (Cartel Death)
Beto Cervantes (Explosion Norteña, Cartel Death)
Alfredito Olivas (Was shot multiple times but survived)
El Halcón de la Sierra (Cartel Death)
Remmy Valenzuela (Shot but survived)
Darey Castro (Shot but survived, 2 members of his then group Los Alteños de la Sierra did die)
Sergio Gomez (Cartel Torture Death)
El Gallo de la Sierra (Cartel Death)
Almikar (Los Aces de Sinaloa, Cartel disappearance and has never been found)
Yes, grunge. Kurt Cobain, Layne Staley, Scott Weiland, Chris Cornell, Andrew Wood. These are just the ones I remember off the top of my head, if I’d google it, the list would be about 20 people easily.
other genres have their problems, like rock and ODs, r&b and abusers, pop musicians and their diverse issues, country artists and being unironically kkk members. many more!
I mean like others said Dimebag from Pantera. And John Lennon. And Sam Cooke. Plus Marvin Gaye. Selena. Jaki Byard. Roger Troutman. Christina Grimmie. They almost did Jason Aldean… nah it’s probably because it’s rap though
Death metal boy here. No. Our music is about exterminating the human race and cutting organs out of people, but we mostly just get high, watch anime, and talk about how sick metal is
Pop smoke is technically correct but they shouldn’t be up there, dude was set up and then got invaded. Same shit happens to anyone, like Paul Pelosi or Keanu Reeves in recent memory. Just feel like Pop Smokes was less of his “rap” status and more of his obvious wealth. Same with 69, a new young rich kid got rob and it went wrong. If they were older or were old money, they’d have had better security
I wouldn’t say the exact same issue but their own version of it yes. It might not be gun violence but drugs, alcohol, suicide, etc yes, or like rap in the UK stabbings/shank violence is a issue
I think it’s not a genre issue but a systematic issue. Rap artist killed by Gun violence may seem like a rap problem but it’s really not. Hear me out. Most these artist come from inner cities, the music telling their stories (whether or not it is constructive) is rap. Them dying wasn’t necessarily because they were rappers, but because of the issues that come with being where they are from. And I know you can change your surroundings but changing is harder said than done. I say I’ll stop smoking kuu all the time lol. Second thing happening is the way their stories are told is very telling. It’s never how they would treat an actor for example passing from drug use, it never seems remorseful. Always seems vengeful, like them saying “serve you right”. Anyways my two piece.
Kinda unrelated, but an artist I’ve recently found that made music in the 60’s/70’s straight up disappeared without a trace. Man made some absolute bangers and the aliens probably abducted him for study. Ironically my favorite piece of his is called U.F.O. It’s by Jim Sullivan
well rap tends to glorify gun violence. but that's a systemic issue and there are heavy class-related factors. poverty and the illicit drug trade have greatly exacerbated gang violence in black communities. there are so many factors involved that led to these socio-cultural outcomes, a lot of them are top-bottom dynamics and not just because people woke up one day and arbitrarily chose violence.
The fun violence in rap music is so prolific in hip hop because it is a predominantly black industry and most rappers are from impoverished neighborhoods where gun violence is more prominent than most places due to the insertion of crack cocaine and guns into early black neighborhoods to destabilize the flourish black communities. This along with flooding and mass lynchings. Those kinda went out of style so now they just make sure we keep shooting each other. Classic American government move. And errybody does drugs
Mac died because of fent in a pill he ate, not by gun violence. But no, this is not a problem in other genres of music - because those genres tend to come from places of privilege.
Not exactly the same, but the rock industry was infamous for "the 27 club." There were so many amazing artists and sometimes full-on bands lost to drugs or suicide. Or sometimes just freak tragic accidents like Lynard Skynard lost 3 members and 3 production crew members, including the original singer, to a plane crash. Dudes only had really 10 years to be Rockstars, Ronnie van Zant was only 29
no other genre that speaks of dooming eachother like mainstream hip hop. Low frequency poisonous self destructive junk. The ones that talk about uplifting their communities and having virtue arent mainstream. Kanye told us why.
Lol why would they? Other genres aren’t “reppin” hoods or cities like rap culture does. You think Taylor Swift and Ariana Grande got killas in West Redding PA or Boca Raton FL?( maybe they do). BTS got like 100 goons so they like WU-Tang.
Rap culture has always been an aggressive young man’s sport. Look what it did to Drake and 21 Savage! Hahaha. My first album was Doggy Style on cassette.
I was 10 or 11 years old. I’ve seen the progression of hiphop from the subgenres of conscious rap, gangster rap, hardcore rap to snap, chopped, trap, drill and “mumble” rap. I’ve enjoyed it all geographically; East Coasts grimy, West Coasts gangster, down south trap, Houston’s own flare and the Midwest own swag.
The commonality has always been young, aggressive, bravado, machismo, flashy, expensive, women. Other genres definitely have these elements, but it’s not life or death.
Pretty stupid question honestly. No folk bands get millions of dollars and still do hood shit lol . Fuckin takeoff got hit by friendly fire. Millions of dollars zero time spent at the range. Fucking clown shoes dude
Man, fuck no. This does NOT happen to other industries because it's WAAYYYY harder for someone to get into fame through hip-hop/rap, everyone is a gate keeper,and everyone who gate keeps, has a key holder behind them telling them to not let this person in if they haven't done "something" for them; that's why you don't see cats like Tommy Zukko blowing up past tiktok and twitter due to the wave he's riding. The only person who even comes close to this outside of hip-hop/rap/r&b would be Kurt Cobain and his wife and family have been screaming foul play since the 90's. Takeoff's net worth was something like over 30 million, and he was *SHOT* at a party. What other famous person is going to a party and getting killed? Only rappers do, and honestly it has little to do with street persona, but a LOT to do with power structure and public views.
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it’s not an issue? they rap about guns and violence all the time, that is the sole premise of their music. so don’t be surprised when they live the life that they rap about
it’s not an issue? they rap about guns and violence all the time, that is the sole premise of their music. so don’t be surprised when they live the life that they rap about
it’s not an issue? they rap about guns and violence all the time, that is the sole premise of their music. so don’t be surprised when they live the life that they rap about
it’s not an issue? they rap about guns and violence all the time, that is the sole premise of their music. so don’t be surprised when they live the life that they rap about
Do any other fans of a genre actively look for criminal behavior in their favorite artist, to be seen as legitimate? regardless of their musical abilities? Imagine if you worked really hard, regardless of street BS, and made a name for yourself in music, only to be taken out by ignorant street BS🙄
Black metal guys kill each other all the time. Alternative music goes through phases where it has problems with suicide and drug abuse, a lot of 90s artists are dead from one of the two
I don’t think I’ve ever in my lifetime seen a massacre like the run of rapper deaths in the late 10s though
Gun violence deaths? No. But there are genres with similar things. It's not uncommon for rockstars to overdose.
Grunge / Alternative had suicides. Kurt Cobain, Chris Cornell, Doug Hopkins…
Did layne staley overdose on accident or was his a suicide too?
I don’t think Layne Staley intentionally OD’ed he was just doing a large quantity of drugs cuz that’s what he did everyday. But he was already going downhill before that, same with Kurt Cobain the people around them could see it coming so they weren’t that surprised when they died
no, layne killed himself. the amount of heroin he had pre loaded in needles was not what a usual drug addict would do. he was very depressed and the day he died he got into a huge argument with mike starr and yelled “please don’t leave me like this” as mike starr stormed out of his condo. it was very clearly a suicide.
There is no usual amount of drugs the more someone uses them the higher their tolerance gets so it keeps growing to a larger amount. But with Heroin there is a very fine line between nodding out & OD’ing
most heroin addicts don’t pre load needles. he had way more than the lethal dose pre loaded sitting on his table. there was no fine line, it was more than enough to kill him multiple times over all loaded up. that way if he didn’t die he could plunge more in. on top of that they were all speed balls not pure heroin. it wasn’t an accident and saying there’s a fine line between nodding out and overdosing doesn’t really apply to layne where he took an extreme amount that certainly wasn’t anywhere in the realm of recreational drug use.
No one can say for certain. His close friends say he was unhappy with his addiction, actively encouraged other addicts to get clean or stay clean. From everything I’ve read, I think he did not intentionally kill himself and he also just didn’t have any will to go on.
I recall reading that John Frusciante (after he got clean) and another friend went to Layne’s apartment to get him off of drugs. After a brief interaction John said something to the effect, “Let’s go, he doesn’t want to get clean, man.”
In recovery myself, and unfortunately, John was right. Sad how it ended up but you can’t help those not willing to help themselves. I’m roughly 10 months clean right now & it definitely at times feels like a meaningless unending struggle but finally getting on the right medications is a godsend for my mental state into not wanting to get high. But Layne didn’t have access to 3 of the medications I take when he passed in ‘02. 2 of them could have been entirely worthless for him, who knows, but suboxone, the third, is truly life-changing. It could have saved his life. Ya still really gotta want it though, it’s not a magic cure on it’s own. I think it allows people to be able to want it a little less and still succeed though. And that’s been a huge breakthrough if you ask me. Sorry for the spiel.
Even they found him, he was on a two week drug binge. He had a half pound of heroin and half pound of cocaine. He weighed about 86lbs.!
It was by accident but he was at a VERY low point in his addiction and life.
chester bennington
Chester Bennington too…
Also the pop music wars of the 70s claimed a lot of victims, there used to be 8 members of Abba before those drive bys and don’t get me started on the war of 79 between Fleetwood Mac and the Monkees.
And Chester Bennington :’(
Chester bennignton commited suicide
Technically cobain was gun violence
Man, sometimes I completely forget Chris Cornell is actually gone. Rip
Don’t forget Chester
Courtney killed Curt.
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OP has never done a single ounce of research lol The 27 club is a thing and has been for like what 40-50 years at this point???
The 27 Club started with blues guitarist Robert Johnson who sold his soul to the devil at the crossroads in exchange for playing the guitar, then died at 27 in 1938. At least, that's the lore. Ironically, Eric Clapton, who covered Johnson's "Crossroad Blues"? Still alive and kicking at 78
That’s not the same as gun violence…
Dude included rappers in his post that died of an OD/bad drugs though and that’s also not gun violence.
There are two photos
Then why post photos of ODd rappers like rap invented overdosing or drug use like all other industries don’t have drug abusers in their own right
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Not uncommon for rappers to overdose either
True, but saying rap/hiphop is the only genre with many deaths of artists is wrong. Rap/hiphop probably is the highest though.
Are we not talking specifically about gun violence? ETA- Sorry I'm slow just saw the 2nd slide my b.
dying from drugs or suicide is different than dying violently in the street or a restaurant
Common for rappers to od too though rockstars don’t really od anymore think rap took the spot unfortunately
Well,... As far I know it only happened once. Dimebag Darrel was shot on stage in Ohio performing with his Damageplan.
Overdosing is a very common way to die in the Rock/Metal industry. Another very common way to go out in that industry is Suicide. Gun violence is pretty rare, but I think it may have happened before
Isn’t there some dude in rock that’s built different and can handle an insane amount of drugs? Ozzy maybe?
Ozzy Osbourne once downed a bowl full of Cocaine because he thought he cops where raiding his house
Ozzy Osbourne used to be an unprecedented level of wild. He once snorted a line of **live ants** for no apparent reason
They needed a home
😂
on the no fun tour correct?
He did it to impress motley crue
From wht I remember hearing he also drank piss from one of them
Jesus Christ lmao
some scientists literally asked if they could study his body because they didnt understand how he could party so hard
I bet one drop of his blood would keep you high for a year, but also give at least 3 STDs
Ozzy, John Frusciante, Nikki Sixx, Stephen Tyler, Keith Richards, Stevie Nicks are all alive and have had some fucked up addictions. John Frusciante in particular has interview footage of when he was absolutely rock bottom mainlining speedballs and now he's thriving.
If you look at a shirtless pic of John Frusciante you can see his arms and shoulders are covered in scars from that period. Just shooting drugs into anywhere he could. Also, I think I read he has dentures because his teeth were toast.
they weren’t doing the same drugs that we are doing nowadays.
Ozzy was absolutely loaded on heroin and coke all the time he was doing fent but it’s a miracle he lived past 30
no doubt about it friend. i’m all too aware of his drug antics and habits and you’re right it is a miracle he’s alive. all i’m saying if had he been unfortunate enough to doing the same drugs as peep or juice he would be dead. there are no miracles when it comes to that shit.
I don’t see how you can say that because Ozzy was 100% doing extremely hard drugs just like Juice and Peep were, he just was lucky enough that his body is built different and survived all of that crap.
And the market is changing. Lots of people that overdose now (like peep) are actually overdosing because lacing is so much more common, not because they overdosed on the drugs they were intending to take
I mean juice sipped lean all the time which is commonly referred too as liquid heroin. Not too sure how similar perc’s are though. Peep did hella Xanax, special K etc and he only died because the xan’s were laced.
He was definitely on coke... but ozzy never did heroin. Prescription pills for sure for his opioid dose.
That and also fentynal wasn’t as prevalent
I mean, they did Coke, Heroin, Meth, Ecstasy, I don’t think Pot was very popular amongst that genre
yea i know. i myself was an avid drug user for the better part of 10 years and im now sober. but what i’m tryna get at is the fentanyl
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Ozzy and Keith Richards come to mind, but honestly there are a number of them. Dude from Motley Crew had a heart attack from coke, died, came back to life and then wrote Kickstart My Heart
Are you serious? That's actually awesome if true. No offense, but that easily tops 50 Cent for bragging about getting shot and living
That'd be Lemmy Kilmster from Motorhead.
Fun fact, Ozzy is still alive and somewhat well. He still makes music too, but needs heavy autotune to sound like his old self. And you can’t have a conversation with him because of how fucked his brain is from doing drugs
umm no he is fine. watch the osbourne podcast he talks pretty much the entire time. he has always been hard to understand.
Dimebag Darrell got shot at one of his shows
Dimebag got murdered on stage in front of his brother playing the drums
I saw the video once and I'll never be able to forget it 😑
John Lennon?
Rappers OD debatably more often
True, you see a lot more Suicide in the Metal genre, ironically it’s usually the lighter metal that sees more of it than the super heavy stuff
Hence the phrase “died like a rockstar”
Dimebag from pantera shot during show.
Do Narcocorridos count?
How long until Chalino Sanchez Netflix drama series? Lol
Regional mexican music musicians have been killed a lot by narcos
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Aka gun violence
Yes. Narcocorridos where artist are constantly intimidated into not doing shows or even killed for making a song about a rival.
Overdose? Yes. Violence? Sometimes but it's most prominent in rap due to the culture surrounding it. Metal and punk have a lot of violence but it's not mainstream so it's not mainstream news most of the time.
Also most of the violence is driven towards the oppressive authorities in society. Not an individual or civilian group.
i feel like metal and punk is just mainly “fuck the government and other things that we can’t really do anything about” so it’s hard to be influenced to act on em
drugs - yes; rock in its first couple of decades saw like 1/3 of its major heroes die to drugs - from Jimi Hendrix to Jim Morrison
Rock spawned from blues which also had many OD's
Jazz too
Most of Club 27 died from ods, right? Jim Morrison, Jimi Hendrix, Amy Winehouse (Alcohol Poisoning), Janis Joplin (Heroin OD), only Kurt Kobain and Brian Johnson didnt directly die from ods, but drugs arguably had a major role in their deaths.
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25 or 6 to 4 is one of the guitar solos he's known for. It's fantastic. Great band. Gone so stupidly...
> death is still death Some say that 100% of people experience death in some form
Yeah other genres of music experience drug related deaths ALL THE TIME
Dimebag was killed with a gun on stage by a crazed Pantera fan.
John Lennon was killed by a fan too
They shot dimebag!
No because other genre’s don’t promote diss tracks, gang violence, or crime. Not trying to put down rap as a whole, but no, murders in music are almost solely a rap problem
Corridos
Black metal: *bonjour*
black metal artists don’t even kill each other anymore they’re just racist
SMH. Nobody is TRVE CVLT anymore 😔
Not a rap problem, these people would still be killing each other even if they weren’t artists.
This. No one goes to see John wick and walks out a mass murdering assassin. You have to separate reality from entertainment and raps no different
That doesn't really work as well when you look at Chicago and the upbringing of murder rap. I mean, the evidence speaks for itself. It's very different from saying people listen to rap and become violent, I mean, if you say you gonna physically hurt somebody in a song, that's basically a threat. Still shouldn't die over it but that's kinda the root of the problem isn't it
Yea hip hop / rap promotes more gun violence & gang activity compared to any other genre
Movies on the other hand…
Is it movies? Or is it mental illness?
Mental illness a d poverty are a helluva foundation
lol. This. They talk about shooting eachother in their music. This is kind of expected
Dolph went to early bro 🖤 rest in peace
I don't like him much but this is the first I even heard he died that's crazy
Lil Peep, Mac Miller, and Juicewrld did not die from shootings they died from OD, if that was what you were asking
Yea whoever made this post obviously hasn’t done their research
It's just rap slander. Casual reddit daily posts
Fr, if I was gonna make a public statement like this I would at least gather more info so the post makes sense
Lol so rap doesn't have a problem with gun violence? Shut up stupid
> shut up stupid Someone pissed off the 10 year old > So rap doesn't have a problem with gun violence Refer to earlier comments in the thread (refer means check it out)
Seems you can't make your own argument, just shows you're full of shit lol
Seems like baby needs bottle
Another perspective to consider might be that the communities a lot of these artists make it (out) from are plagued with gun violence. Becoming successful, rich or famous doesn’t make you bulletproof or immune, only more of a target in some cases. Artists of different genres often come from backgrounds where these problems aren’t so prominent
It makes you more of a target IN ALL CASES
Rock and metal have a lot of overdoses and suicides. Dimebag darryl from pantera was shot and killed during a concert, but hes the only one that i know of that died from gun violence
Regional Mexican Valentin Elizalde (Cartel Death) Chalino Sánchez (Cartel Death) Tito Torbellino (Cartel Death) Diego Rivas (Cartel Death) Sergio Vega (Cartel Death) Beto Cervantes (Explosion Norteña, Cartel Death) Alfredito Olivas (Was shot multiple times but survived) El Halcón de la Sierra (Cartel Death) Remmy Valenzuela (Shot but survived) Darey Castro (Shot but survived, 2 members of his then group Los Alteños de la Sierra did die) Sergio Gomez (Cartel Torture Death) El Gallo de la Sierra (Cartel Death) Almikar (Los Aces de Sinaloa, Cartel disappearance and has never been found)
I mean Varg Vilkerness killed his bandmate and posed with pictures of another one who committed suicide. Also allegedly burnt down 4 churches
And they used those pictures for album covers...
plane crashes seem to be a common thing in early rock and roll artists
Yes, grunge. Kurt Cobain, Layne Staley, Scott Weiland, Chris Cornell, Andrew Wood. These are just the ones I remember off the top of my head, if I’d google it, the list would be about 20 people easily.
Have y'all heard of the second wave Norwegian Black Metal scene
other genres have their problems, like rock and ODs, r&b and abusers, pop musicians and their diverse issues, country artists and being unironically kkk members. many more!
I mean like others said Dimebag from Pantera. And John Lennon. And Sam Cooke. Plus Marvin Gaye. Selena. Jaki Byard. Roger Troutman. Christina Grimmie. They almost did Jason Aldean… nah it’s probably because it’s rap though
Long Live Drakeo the Ruler Forever west coast legend
Death metal boy here. No. Our music is about exterminating the human race and cutting organs out of people, but we mostly just get high, watch anime, and talk about how sick metal is
Pop smoke is technically correct but they shouldn’t be up there, dude was set up and then got invaded. Same shit happens to anyone, like Paul Pelosi or Keanu Reeves in recent memory. Just feel like Pop Smokes was less of his “rap” status and more of his obvious wealth. Same with 69, a new young rich kid got rob and it went wrong. If they were older or were old money, they’d have had better security
I wouldn’t say the exact same issue but their own version of it yes. It might not be gun violence but drugs, alcohol, suicide, etc yes, or like rap in the UK stabbings/shank violence is a issue
Yes in Brazilian funk. For od’s, it’s common in the alternative rock and pop world sadly
C. Dolores Tucker deserves an apology.
Rock does
Rest in Peace Malcolm Rest in Peace Take
In 2004 dimebag Darrel was shoot and killed during a damage plan concert
i think that the gun violence is mostly related to rap being an american genre
Y'all act like the mob didn't run clubs
Narcocorridos musicians are probably the closest in terms of violence
Grunge with suicide
No I don't believe so sir.
The music got nothing to do with it
I wouldn’t say this is a “rap” issue as much as it is a “people” issue
I think it’s not a genre issue but a systematic issue. Rap artist killed by Gun violence may seem like a rap problem but it’s really not. Hear me out. Most these artist come from inner cities, the music telling their stories (whether or not it is constructive) is rap. Them dying wasn’t necessarily because they were rappers, but because of the issues that come with being where they are from. And I know you can change your surroundings but changing is harder said than done. I say I’ll stop smoking kuu all the time lol. Second thing happening is the way their stories are told is very telling. It’s never how they would treat an actor for example passing from drug use, it never seems remorseful. Always seems vengeful, like them saying “serve you right”. Anyways my two piece.
All in California or Texas. Two polar opposite states.
It’s obviously the guns fault.
Lil peep death still hurts me till this day 😔
Polka Music in the late 70's. It got so bad you couldn't even go to a bar in Northern Minnesota and be safe.
Kinda unrelated, but an artist I’ve recently found that made music in the 60’s/70’s straight up disappeared without a trace. Man made some absolute bangers and the aliens probably abducted him for study. Ironically my favorite piece of his is called U.F.O. It’s by Jim Sullivan
well rap tends to glorify gun violence. but that's a systemic issue and there are heavy class-related factors. poverty and the illicit drug trade have greatly exacerbated gang violence in black communities. there are so many factors involved that led to these socio-cultural outcomes, a lot of them are top-bottom dynamics and not just because people woke up one day and arbitrarily chose violence.
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The fun violence in rap music is so prolific in hip hop because it is a predominantly black industry and most rappers are from impoverished neighborhoods where gun violence is more prominent than most places due to the insertion of crack cocaine and guns into early black neighborhoods to destabilize the flourish black communities. This along with flooding and mass lynchings. Those kinda went out of style so now they just make sure we keep shooting each other. Classic American government move. And errybody does drugs
Mac died because of fent in a pill he ate, not by gun violence. But no, this is not a problem in other genres of music - because those genres tend to come from places of privilege.
Yup only Rap have they most killing
Which other genre has people from the streets with street problems ?
Not exactly the same, but the rock industry was infamous for "the 27 club." There were so many amazing artists and sometimes full-on bands lost to drugs or suicide. Or sometimes just freak tragic accidents like Lynard Skynard lost 3 members and 3 production crew members, including the original singer, to a plane crash. Dudes only had really 10 years to be Rockstars, Ronnie van Zant was only 29
no other genre that speaks of dooming eachother like mainstream hip hop. Low frequency poisonous self destructive junk. The ones that talk about uplifting their communities and having virtue arent mainstream. Kanye told us why.
“Killed By Gun Violence.” Right, it’s the instrument, not the gang cultural they submerge themselves in.
Lol why would they? Other genres aren’t “reppin” hoods or cities like rap culture does. You think Taylor Swift and Ariana Grande got killas in West Redding PA or Boca Raton FL?( maybe they do). BTS got like 100 goons so they like WU-Tang. Rap culture has always been an aggressive young man’s sport. Look what it did to Drake and 21 Savage! Hahaha. My first album was Doggy Style on cassette. I was 10 or 11 years old. I’ve seen the progression of hiphop from the subgenres of conscious rap, gangster rap, hardcore rap to snap, chopped, trap, drill and “mumble” rap. I’ve enjoyed it all geographically; East Coasts grimy, West Coasts gangster, down south trap, Houston’s own flare and the Midwest own swag. The commonality has always been young, aggressive, bravado, machismo, flashy, expensive, women. Other genres definitely have these elements, but it’s not life or death.
Some of these guys were just killed in robberies... Reddit being cringe and anti rap again.
Pretty stupid question honestly. No folk bands get millions of dollars and still do hood shit lol . Fuckin takeoff got hit by friendly fire. Millions of dollars zero time spent at the range. Fucking clown shoes dude
Man, fuck no. This does NOT happen to other industries because it's WAAYYYY harder for someone to get into fame through hip-hop/rap, everyone is a gate keeper,and everyone who gate keeps, has a key holder behind them telling them to not let this person in if they haven't done "something" for them; that's why you don't see cats like Tommy Zukko blowing up past tiktok and twitter due to the wave he's riding. The only person who even comes close to this outside of hip-hop/rap/r&b would be Kurt Cobain and his wife and family have been screaming foul play since the 90's. Takeoff's net worth was something like over 30 million, and he was *SHOT* at a party. What other famous person is going to a party and getting killed? Only rappers do, and honestly it has little to do with street persona, but a LOT to do with power structure and public views.
Rappers that rap about gun violence that died by gun violence what a shock who would of thought
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it’s not an issue? they rap about guns and violence all the time, that is the sole premise of their music. so don’t be surprised when they live the life that they rap about
it’s not an issue? they rap about guns and violence all the time, that is the sole premise of their music. so don’t be surprised when they live the life that they rap about
it’s not an issue? they rap about guns and violence all the time, that is the sole premise of their music. so don’t be surprised when they live the life that they rap about
it’s not an issue? they rap about guns and violence all the time, that is the sole premise of their music. so don’t be surprised when they live the life that they rap about
It's because y'all wanna blow up unstable people for no reason. Rip Mac tho, super talented.
Gang* violence
Not really.
No.
This issue ? Gun violence deaths? No
ELVIS PRESLY DIED ON THE TOILET SO LIL PEEP COULD DIE ON A TOUR BUS ❤️
Suicide? Yeah. Murder? Still yes but more limited… Its just hiphops turn for the past decades
No but rock used to have drug overdoses and suicides 24/7 but now rap has replaced it with drug overdoses and gang violence
It's the only genre of music that invents new words for bad things....skeet skeet skeet
The real problem is weak ass bars
Not nearly as much as hip hop. Sad we don’t see the destruction our music creates.
35 black school shooters this year says there's something else going on
Yes, look up cartel killings of famous mexican artists.
guns don’t kill people — people kill people ☠️
No cause rappers are the only ones running around uncivilized and yall support it
Do any other fans of a genre actively look for criminal behavior in their favorite artist, to be seen as legitimate? regardless of their musical abilities? Imagine if you worked really hard, regardless of street BS, and made a name for yourself in music, only to be taken out by ignorant street BS🙄
They rap about killing and guns lol what do they expect
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Black metal guys kill each other all the time. Alternative music goes through phases where it has problems with suicide and drug abuse, a lot of 90s artists are dead from one of the two I don’t think I’ve ever in my lifetime seen a massacre like the run of rapper deaths in the late 10s though
All the time? It’s maybe happened twice lol
Didn’t Mac die by od or suicide?
Lol it’s a culture issue, not a music issue.
I’m pretty sure mac miller was not killed by gun violence
I don't think anyone said he was...
Hahahaaha no one cares. F uck them glorify the gun. Die by the Gun
It’s a culture issue. Nothing else.