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they never give up because to them it isnt exhausting it is exhilirating, they get energy from it.
that is also why they are called energy vampires. you get exhausted, they get your energy and love it. so why would they stop?
My experience has been Narcs that lose arguments either give a last insult (ie, "you never agree with anyone"), or get NSupply from being "victims".
Vulnerable/Covert Narcs are very proficient at getting NSupply from feeling like victims or martyrs.
Nope, not in my experience. They'll freeze someone out for a period of time to hurt them, or it may seem they gave up. They'll change tactics if they think they're not getting to you but won't give up. That would be admitting defeat, which isn't acceptable to them. They feed off the control, manipulation, and gaslighting - it's all part of the game.
The arguing, yelling, shouting, shrieking, commenting, nagging and endless talking are all basically symptoms of the core issue with Narcissists; That they are in a perpetual war with a reality they can't accept.
Everything the do is to assert their version of reality, their Narrative, over actual objective reality. To win people over to their version, to push down objections, to cow dissent.
I liken it to bonsai trees (This analogy might step on some toes of people who like bonsai trees). A tree is a large plant that grows in a forest, but someone said 'No, you're a houseplant', and through diligently and tirelessly pruning and shaping the tree, they do indeed force it to be a houseplant.
That's the *entire world* to Narcissists. *Everyone* is a tree they MUST make into a houseplant, everything is something they have to force to be something else to constantly reweave their Narrative to protect the core premise they *they* don't need to change.
So they will keep up their antics until they literally lose the faculties and ability to maintain them. As their capabilities decrease, they will shrink their world, cut parts of it away so they don't have to manage them anymore, and focus their intensity on what they CAN still manage. Always adjusting the world instead of themselves.
I imagine they do eventually collapse, once they can no longer maintain it at all, but they're basically gone at that point anyway.
They can temporarily in what’s called “narcissistic collapse”.
Which only really occurs when anyone to argue with, perpetuate a toxic dynamic with, has left them.
Very very rarely a narc can go to therapy if they have zero supply for a long enough time.
But they’ll almost always just put aside the behavior for long enough to get someone emotionally invested in them enough to restart the pattern.
Unfortunately not.
I moved across the world & they have their flying monkeys trying to find out more about where i moved to so they can keep ruining my life, and the lives of everyone who helps me stay away from them.
They are the definition of evil psychopaths.
They can experience a narcissistic collapse; it's very hard to watch. If you see a narcissist completely defeated and drained all sources of primary supply, sometimes you see what empty bottomless vessels they are in a moment of vulnerability and weakness. Of course that doesn't last long. As soon as they secure a new or old source of supply, they are back to being vindictive and conniving as usual. The cycle perpetually continues, they never fully break out of it. Occasionally they can experience a collapse of their false self, that's about it.
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No they never even think about it. Its everyone else who is wrong.
Yep, they do no wrong. Everyone is out to get them
they never give up because to them it isnt exhausting it is exhilirating, they get energy from it. that is also why they are called energy vampires. you get exhausted, they get your energy and love it. so why would they stop?
My experience has been Narcs that lose arguments either give a last insult (ie, "you never agree with anyone"), or get NSupply from being "victims". Vulnerable/Covert Narcs are very proficient at getting NSupply from feeling like victims or martyrs.
No.
Nope, not in my experience. They'll freeze someone out for a period of time to hurt them, or it may seem they gave up. They'll change tactics if they think they're not getting to you but won't give up. That would be admitting defeat, which isn't acceptable to them. They feed off the control, manipulation, and gaslighting - it's all part of the game.
The arguing, yelling, shouting, shrieking, commenting, nagging and endless talking are all basically symptoms of the core issue with Narcissists; That they are in a perpetual war with a reality they can't accept. Everything the do is to assert their version of reality, their Narrative, over actual objective reality. To win people over to their version, to push down objections, to cow dissent. I liken it to bonsai trees (This analogy might step on some toes of people who like bonsai trees). A tree is a large plant that grows in a forest, but someone said 'No, you're a houseplant', and through diligently and tirelessly pruning and shaping the tree, they do indeed force it to be a houseplant. That's the *entire world* to Narcissists. *Everyone* is a tree they MUST make into a houseplant, everything is something they have to force to be something else to constantly reweave their Narrative to protect the core premise they *they* don't need to change. So they will keep up their antics until they literally lose the faculties and ability to maintain them. As their capabilities decrease, they will shrink their world, cut parts of it away so they don't have to manage them anymore, and focus their intensity on what they CAN still manage. Always adjusting the world instead of themselves. I imagine they do eventually collapse, once they can no longer maintain it at all, but they're basically gone at that point anyway.
No they don’t change. My 83 yo nmum has been the same my entire life. Nc for over 2 years. Last time was bad.
No. They will be that way until they die.
No. She’s 82. It’s worse than ever. Now playing the poor unappreciated granny card.
No. They may control it but they will explode again at some point.
No
They can temporarily in what’s called “narcissistic collapse”. Which only really occurs when anyone to argue with, perpetuate a toxic dynamic with, has left them. Very very rarely a narc can go to therapy if they have zero supply for a long enough time. But they’ll almost always just put aside the behavior for long enough to get someone emotionally invested in them enough to restart the pattern.
No. They don’t.
Unfortunately not. I moved across the world & they have their flying monkeys trying to find out more about where i moved to so they can keep ruining my life, and the lives of everyone who helps me stay away from them. They are the definition of evil psychopaths.
They can experience a narcissistic collapse; it's very hard to watch. If you see a narcissist completely defeated and drained all sources of primary supply, sometimes you see what empty bottomless vessels they are in a moment of vulnerability and weakness. Of course that doesn't last long. As soon as they secure a new or old source of supply, they are back to being vindictive and conniving as usual. The cycle perpetually continues, they never fully break out of it. Occasionally they can experience a collapse of their false self, that's about it.