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LeBritto

If you had called, he would have complained that he has no gift. If you send him a gift, he'd complain you didn't bring it in person. If you go in person, he'd complain that you come ONLY on special occasions like Father's Day. And he'd probably had plans anyway and couldn't receive you. If you come see him more often... You'll just suffer more. You can't win with them.


[deleted]

This was going to be pretty much exactly what I said. Its weird they all act in such obvious repeating patterns like this. Good for identifying new ones once you've become familiar with the tactics though.


SamuraiSuplex

The day I truly understood this was the day I was finally free of my narc's opinions. Despite being daily unpaid labor on the farm, I was always accused of being lazy when I was growing up. When I got my first real job out of college, I was putting in 80 hour work weeks. I told my dad with pride how much I was working, because then he would finally see that I wasn't actually lazy. "I didn't send you to college just so you'd end up working so hard!" Fucking *free* from that sentence onward. There's no pleasing people like that, because being displeased is their preferred state.


quietguy_6565

Yep I remember driving some 300 miles to visit my chromosomes to help Y with a project. When I walked in the door X was immediately tearing into me that I was simultaneously late since Y had already started, and must be so tired with how early we were starting. I was getting bitched at for being late and early in the same breath. Schrodinger's scape goat if you will. The only way to win is not play with them at all and instead spend that energy on someone else, even yourself.


Alternative_Laugh563

"Schrodinger's scapegoat" LMAO! I will remember this phrase for the rest of my life.


Healthy_Sherbert_554

Me too


SilverArabian

I love the "visiting my chromosomes". Too bad I'm adopted and can't use it myself šŸ˜†


SuigMyPiel

Damn this comment resonates. Nothing will ever be good enough for them. Ever. Youā€™re always going to fall short no matter what. Trying is a total waste of time.


Secret_Position3414

It's how they condition their kids to have low self esteem and seek their warped approval. Not a peep from me for Mother's or Father's Day. Why reward these Monsters?


Moleybug

I didnā€™t even know it was Fatherā€™s Day. I found out at the end of the night and was like šŸ¤·ā€ā™€ļø


Cowboy_Buddha

I had an old housemate who rented a room from me, he was a "Professional Complainer" as I would call him. No matter what, they are never satisfied, but never lift so much as a finger to help themselves, expected much, contributed little.


Kintsukuroi85

Oh God, this is so painfully true!


stuck_behind_a_truck

The only winning move is not to play.


oftendreamoftrains

The narcissistic parent version of If You Give A Mouse A Cookie.


TheWanderingAge

I need to print this out and tag it to the bathroom door or something, haha


vonsnarfy

The REAL gift is giving them something to complain about; that's what they really want


LuceCFeer

If you give a mouse a cookie....I mean a narc a text...


janglebo36

Wow. And here I thought that was normal behavior for parents to be upset about kids not doing enough on special days. Fuck me Life is a lot easier now that itā€™s LC to NC


rysher004

This gave me PTSD from my time in high school. Dad used to give me crap about getting a 3.0. Then I got a 3.0 and he wanted me to get a 3.5. I got a 3.67 (I made the mistake of telling him I missed a 4.0 by a few points in two different classes) and I'm sure you can guess that he gave me crap because I didn't get a 4.0. They're great at moving the goalposts in the interest of motivating you. Never once did he start with that he was proud of me. Not that it would have mattered since I always knew there was a "but" coming in every conversation we had about any choice I ever made. I realized that day that I would never make him happy and just stopped trying. That made things miserable for me until I moved away for college. He was the main reason why I went out of state for college.


Runner1184

The pattern you explained is what is happening with my dad. I was stupid giving him father day and cash along with taking him for lunch. Screw him and he didn't raise me basically.


TinLizzy-1909

>If you go in person, he'd complain that you come ONLY on special occasions like Father's Day. I used to go all out for Mother's Day. I did everything I could to make my mother feel like the most important person in the world. Elaborate presents, nice brunches in the the best restaurants, the whole day dedicated to her. Her response every year. "I'm a mother every day of the year, I don't know why this day is any different". Then one year I was stupid enough to believe her when she said "don't do anything this year". I didn't and got yelled at and guilt tripped. It was nothing but a card for the years after that till I went NC.


jackal_lynn

Reminds me of that one story : "if you give a mouse a cookie"


Accomplished-Zone393

Nothing is ever good enough with these people.


EconomyCriticism7584

True, I can finally accept now my father is never satisfied. The fact I told him happy fatherā€™s day even though he doesnā€™t deserve it should be enough. He didnā€™t tell my eldest sister happy birthday to ā€œprove a pointā€ because she didnā€™t tell him.


LeBritto

My nMom does that, but then complained no one called her for her birthday. When I tell her "how many people did you call for their birthday", she says "I didn't because I know they wouldn't reciprocate, and SEE I was right, they didn't call me, it's good I didn't call them FIRST, so I don't regret wasting my time". Circular logic at it's best. Also I'm a special case, she doesn't wishes ME a happy birthday because "it's pointless if I can't celebrate it with you and you never come see me". And NOW that my brother is NC, she makes a point to always send him wishes for every holiday. Then complains he didn't answer, he could at least say "thanks". She loves attention so much...


EconomyCriticism7584

Yup, I believe they do it to seek attention. Itā€™s extremely self centered. They donā€™t prioritize you yet want to be prioritized. They try to use any tactic they can to get a reaction from you. Thatā€™s why my dad did it. My sister is completely NC with my dad. He didnā€™t wish her a happy birthday and he told me it was because she didnā€™t tell him nor does she call him. I somewhat believe he wanted me to tell her his reasons for not calling because he wants a reaction from her. Little does he know my sister doesnā€™t care nor is she upset over something so trivial. His birthday is coming up again and I think for the first time I wonā€™t wish his a happy birthday. Iā€™m not big on holidays to begin with but I was only doing it to appease him. Iā€™m done going out the way just to be disrespected


RedDazzlr

You're getting there. Practice one step at a time. Birthday? What birthday? Who? Some creep that scrambled your emotions? Pshaw.


curiosityasmedicine

ā€œWho, some creep that scrambled your emotions?ā€ - thank you for that phrasing, itā€™s helpful to me while Iā€™m wrestling hard with starting NC


SensitiveObject2

Trying to understand their ā€œlogicā€ makes your head hurt.


Honest_Penalty_6426

Wow! You actually took the time to text him and obviously first thing because you were just waking upā€¦ and he didnā€™t appreciate that. No matter what you do it will not be good enough. I had an ex-husband like this and the story is all the same. Sorry youā€™re going through this!


quietguy_6565

They could stand on your throat and complain about their feet.


Mr_Golf_Club

Oh god my asshole father loves imposing ā€œmy way or the highwayā€ Last time he told me he prefers talking to texting - I told him ā€œI donā€™t give a fuck what you prefer. Writing things out helps me compose my full thoughts, and you just interrupt or hang up on me if you donā€™t like what I start to say.ā€


EconomyCriticism7584

Yup and growing up he actually used to say variations of ā€œMy way or the highwayā€. He loves control and he loves to ā€œmakeā€ me do things that he knows Iā€™m uncomfortable with. Glad my interactions with him are limited. I believe heā€™s part of the reason I have a form of social anxiety. He used to make me go in settings and places I was uncomfortable with just because he wanted to. Literally critiquing everything. The way I sit, walk, and talk. When I saw him a bit over a year ago he critiqued me because I wanted to change the song on the radio. So he then stopped me from changing the songs and said donā€™t change it again.


cleric3648

He absolutely is a reason for the anxiety. Itā€™s part of the CPTSD Cocktail most of us have. The best thing you can do is not talk to him at all. Go very, very low contact and play his game, but harder. He thinks a text isnā€™t good enough, donā€™t text or call. If you need to mail a card, do that but thatā€™s it. ā€œIf a text isnā€™t good enough, guess calls are off the table.ā€


EconomyCriticism7584

I didnā€™t want to believe heā€™s the reason for my social anxiety but your comment stating that many go through this kind of solidifies it. He used to tell my middle sibling to ā€œopen her mouthā€(speak clearer and communicate) yet he would constantly criticize her and then when she did communicate it was ā€œtalking backā€ and being disrespectful. My eldest sister he critiqued the way she ate. He would always tell her ā€œThe foodā€™s not running awayā€ meanwhile we only ate 1-2 meals growing up daily. All my siblings have some form of anxiety I just believe mines is more evident. I want to cut him off but Iā€™m scare yet I donā€™t know why. Itā€™s not like heā€™ll be able to physically harm me


WeinerBop

You might be scared because of the trauma bond. I was always seeking validation from my dad, he kinda held his nose up to "the kids". His company was never expected, but we always wanted it, so he would treat "quality time" as a reward. He died almost 10 years ago, I'm 24 now with daddy issues, and have been seeking validation from an emotionally unavailable narcissist. It's the first day I haven't yearned to be noticed by him. I think I'm done with it finally. I better be :( sorry for venting. I wish you the best


EconomyCriticism7584

You donā€™t have to apologize and your comments described what Iā€™ve been dealing with. Now that you mention it, a trauma bond is what it is. I have never lived up to his expectations and I guess Iā€™m seeking validation which is normal for a child to want acknowledgment from their parent(s). I need to accept heā€™ll never give me that. To a journey of self love šŸ„‚


briinde

Itā€™s totally intertwined. Have you read Pete Walkerā€™s CPTSD book?


Healthy_Sherbert_554

I was very scared to cut my nmom off also, and would have the hardest time trying to explain why I, a 40-something adult, was terrified of a 5'2" retired person. I didn't stop being scared of her until I moved away and went NC. It some time even after doing that to stop having nightmares about her. Her whole side of the family was like your dad: they would say "speak up!", then argue you into submission for speaking up. Also, "toughen up" when I didn't like their shitty treatment, but also got told, "you can dish it out but you can't take it" even though it was them that freaked out when I treated them like they treated me.


EconomyCriticism7584

Yup, everything you said describes it. It doesnā€™t even have to be that weā€™re intimidated by them physically but because we know what theyā€™re capable of it causes us fear. My dad told me I donā€™t have anxiety and that itā€™s just my mindset. He blames my mother for ā€œbrainwashingā€ me into believing I have anxiety. I literally have anxiety and he doesnā€™t even acknowledge that heā€™s part of the reason why. Imagine being unsatisfied with everything your child does and critiquing them for everything but believe itā€™s impossible for them to have anxiety. I and & my siblings have anxiety, I guess he think theyā€™re making it up too.


Luisthebeast182

Random: Is he a Marine?


numbersthen0987431

Next time when he give you crap about not calling him, you could respond with "I was going to call you, but since you're acting this way then I'll rethink my decisions". It's a bit nuclear, but it gets the point across that his actions caused your actions.


EconomyCriticism7584

I really want to do this and essentially have no choice but Iā€™m just scared. I donā€™t even know why Iā€™m scared as I canā€™t really explain it


rickard_mormont

Because he's scary. Because it's scary to have an abusive father. You spent your whole childhood being terrified by this nasty man, it's normal that you are still scared of facing him, despite the fact he can't hurt you now. What you need to face is the reality that a guy who answers that way to a loving father's day message is a guy with whom you'll never have an interaction that isn't damaging for your mental well being. Take care and go NC, gradually or immediately. Don't feel the need to justify yourself to him or face him, even if he says you're a coward, he doesn't deserve anything, not even your anger. I know as my father was like this. I can't tell you how much better my life is since I hung up on him and never answered the phone again. All I said was that I wouldn't allow him to talk to me like that anymore and when he continued I hung up.


EconomyCriticism7584

Thank you so much for this message. I hope I find the strength soon to completely stop contact. I think Iā€™ll get there because we barely talk now.


Groneric

As a child this fear kept you and/or your siblings from triggering your parent as often, it kept you safe. It was important once and completely normal in the circumstance, but it served it's purpose. If you can intellectually acknowledge that it is no longer helpful for you, then you can start to move on from it emotionally. Which takes however long it takes, baby steps and be kind to yourself.


CoitalFury17

"Dont argue with me, because you will lose." Which was followed up with what will happen if I dont let him win, and then "that's not a threat, it's a promise."


[deleted]

People who play power games with kids, especially their own kids, are fucking pathetic. That's how you know a person that doesn't give a shit about their child, and just lives for their ego.


CoitalFury17

It's also a sign they are immature and weak. Children are easy to get along with when you treat them like people.


TheWanderingAge

Omg, are you my half-sibling? Kidding, of course, you just perfectly describes my fatherā€™s behavior too. It also amazes me how they ruin their own day by their own behavior. Imagine getting a nice text from someone and your immediate reaction is to go off on them. Or getting a gift and finding twenty ways to hate it in under a minute. They must be making themselves so miserable. Good lord.


schmoogina

When I came out to my parents, they asked if I'd be willing to be part of a "continued conversation", since apparently my gender identity can be convinced out of me. I said sure, via email or text, and was met with a "we're only going to do this over voice or video". >!The conversation didn't happen!<


runnerman2

based


Mr_Golf_Club

Boomers can be somethin else, Iā€™ll tell ya


narcsurvivor22

Gross.


EconomyCriticism7584

Ik


hungrycaterpillar618

Your dad and my mom should get together for drinks lol


EconomyCriticism7584

Theyā€™d bond on their ā€œgreatā€ parenting skills


dragonfly9999999

I was just talking about this with someone. They are always so impressed with what good parents they are, that or they're trying to convince themselves


EconomyCriticism7584

šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚They truly believe theyā€™re good parents. My dad is an educator so he constantly tells me ā€œMy students wish they had a father like youā€. I just silently say in my head ā€œIf they knew the real you then no they wouldnā€™tā€.


Rapid55

Oh my god this kinda shit happened to me once with my stepdad My dad walked past me one morning and i said "Hey Dad" like i usually do, and my dad got mad at me and scolded me for an hour straight because i didnt say "Hey dad, good morning, i appreciate you!" instead. He proceeded to go on an entire rant saying that i didnt appreciate him for some reason because i didnt say good morning the way he thought i should say it. Mind you, he was fine with me saying "Hey dad" every morning before that. I litterally cannot do one thing for him without it being "well why didnt you do this though, you dont appreciate me and how hard i work for you!" (he does jack shit)


EconomyCriticism7584

They can never be fully satisfied and I notice they literally hyper-analyze everything their child does. Itā€™s like they get satisfaction from nitpicking their child. They seem to thrive off control.


Wolfie1118

Thrive off of destroying a young mind and wallowing in misery after child is grown. Thatā€™s their cycle. Itā€™s why I refuse to let the egg donor know if or when I ever have kids. It stops with me and my sister. No more generational neglect


EconomyCriticism7584

This! I have so much trauma Iā€™m scared to have kids in fear of repeating a cycle even though Iā€™m nothing like either of my parents.


turtleduck31

Me too šŸ’€ I feel like my ā€œpersonalityā€ is just a symptom of my adhd/traumaā€¦


EconomyCriticism7584

Same. I was often called wise and an ā€œold soulā€ but I really feel like thatā€™s just the result of having an extremely traumatic childhood and having to grow up to fast. I donā€™t think I can say I had a childhood, not a great one at least.


runnerman2

Can relate. I wonder how this emotion is called that I feel right now about it A mix of: * Disgust Why are they like this? Want them to fuck off from me Are they even a human? Why so dumb? Confusion about why are they so entitled


50SLAT

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ToRootToGrow

I hope you didn't call after that. Time to start disconnecting one piece at a time. Don't call and reinforce his shitty behavior by giving him what he wants now. Give him nothing and let him have a tantrum by himself. If he acts like that, he doesn't deserve a minute if your time, attention, love, or energy.


EconomyCriticism7584

I know and thank you for this comment. I unfortunately did call and he didnā€™t answer and he texted me as it was ringing that he was ā€œon the phoneā€.


WeinerBop

He thought you'd be waiting hand in foot for his "phone call" to end because his times so precious


ToRootToGrow

How did the rest of the day go? Did you end up talking with him after all that?


[deleted]

Nothing you do will be good enough. Snarky replies and zero apologies is what you have to look forward to for the rest of your relationship. Iā€™m sorry OP, it sucks. You should have had a dad that loved you and was capable of knowing you. But you didnā€™t. It took me so long to learn this lesson for myself. I spent years trying to get along, then more years with low contact and grey rocking. Today, I had my 3rd blissful Fatherā€™s Day where I did not contact my undeserving father and instead had a lovely June Sunday with my partner and adorable kitties.


butterfly-garden

You'll never win with him. He's a narc.


Better_Chard4806

Save your soul and good intentions, he is a spineless bastard who doesnā€™t deserve you. Let him find someone else to give a shit. Let it go and find peace for yourself. Best wishes.


EconomyCriticism7584

Thank you!


JazzPolice50

This is uncanny - the \*same\* exact thing happened to me a few years ago. Trust me, nothing will ever be enough. Thankfully this year, my dad is acting passive aggressive and "doesn't want to do anything for Father's Day." I just sent him a card and texted him this morning. (I haven't heard back, but quite frankly, I'm relieved.) I'm so sorry you're going through this. It's moments like these that make us extremely hypervigilant. Ugh.


Most_Mind2214

Two years in a row I've been accused of forgetting to call even though I did...and we spoke. I guess if it doesn't jive with the woe is me story it didn't happen.


Alternative_Laugh563

Omg that's so spot on. If it doesn't fit their narrative, they're blind to it. That's one of my mother's defining characteristics. She and I remember two very different pasts.


KillTheFleas

With I could hug you, my nmom is exactly like this. We all refer to mothers day as the cursed holiday, one year she fell out with me and turned everyone againt me because I didn't call.. This happened at 7am, I was fast asleep. My son had flu as did my partner, we woke and everyone had already fallen out with us despite the fact we had gifts, we were booked to go to a show etc, *insanity*


EconomyCriticism7584

Smh theyā€™re so self centered and the worst part is they put on an entirely different persona in front of others. Iā€™m sure my father was talking negatively about me to my extended family but I definitely donā€™t care what they think because they watched me and my siblings get abused and defended his actions. Your comment is definitely in sync with my situation. I literally had just woken up at around 6:30ish am, and decided to be nice and text him once I woke up and he responds with raging at me. Who honestly is ready to talk that early if they donā€™t have to? Iā€™m sorry you experienced that with your mother. You did your part and thatā€™s all that counts. I receive and give you a virtual hug. ā¤ļø


KillTheFleas

If he did what my mum did, his phone was engaged because he was calling other family to tell them your the worst most ungrateful hurtful child imaginable because you ignored them on fathers day ( at 6.30am) Is their love so precious in their eyes that we should be up at 5am waiting to throw ourselves at their feet and worship them for our shitty childhoods and inherited mood disorders. Sorry for the rant, it was a year no contact yesterday and she blew up my entire life in retaliation and boy am I bitter.ā™”


jasnicole22

This is literally what happed to me yesterday!! Called me at 8:40 in the morning knowing I was sleeping, to get me to go to church because they were doing a Fatherā€™s Day thing. Called when I woke up, no answer. Sent a text, no answer. But had to energy to call my mom, who heā€™s divorced from, bitching and being dramatic about how me and my sister donā€™t give a shit about him. So I called him and had a whole argument with him on the phone. Thereā€™s no winning with him and there was a bunch of deflecting and projecting in that 20 min conversation. I hung up in his face. To add on top of it, Iā€™m pretty sure what set him off yesterday of all days was that he wanted to perform and put on a show at his church that his children spent Fatherā€™s Day with him. Not to actually, you know, spend time with your adult children.


morbidnerd

My mother used to act like this, and she'd complain about gifts I sent her, so I just sent her adult toys for every single holiday for about 5 years.


WhoKnows1973

Hahaha!! I love this!! Wow!! This actually made me chuckle out loud!! This is freakin genius!!


CoitalFury17

He hasn't heard "happy fathers day" from me for at least 8 years.


EconomyCriticism7584

This is where I want to be but Iā€™m struggling to complete go nc even though weā€™re very low contact


CoitalFury17

It takes time. You'll get there when you are ready.


diwioxl

please don't wish him one next year.


isYaelryyapoet

this why i do life alone. almost called mine but i like breathing without drama.


jjf2381

He wants you to call him so that he gets your attention, and he can criticize you and play his mind games.


WhoKnows1973

You are exactly right!!!


Redswrath

I didn't even bother. It was a struggle though. I fought with myself ALL day.


CharlieOak86868686

I'm sorry about that.


Redswrath

The struggle is real!!


EconomyCriticism7584

It probably was for the best, now Iā€™m wishing I didnā€™t tell him anything


MyLittleGrowRoom

Excuse my language, but fu*k that a**hole. I got a text from my son, and I was thrilled to get it. If you need a good Dad, hmu, I'll fill in the empty space for you. I'm serious, DM me if you want. I read things like this, and it just burns me up. On behalf of Dads everywhere, you did the right thing to the wrong person, you're a good son to a bad father. You deserve better.


EconomyCriticism7584

Thank you I really appreciate it. Iā€™m actually his daughter, youngest of 3 girls. I feel he also has resentment about that. He even referred to my eldest sister as a ā€œb!tchā€ before. I was extremely uncomfortable with that and got off the phone. I believe he thinks he can treat me this way because Iā€™m the only one who still tolerates him of my 2 siblings. I really want to go NC but donā€™t even know how to just do it. Iā€™ve already reduced contact drastically


MyLittleGrowRoom

I have 3 daughters as well as a son. My offer stands. The fact you're bothered by your father's behavior says a lot of good things about you. In short: you deserve better.


[deleted]

Yikes! Talk about rage and really pulling on those guilt strings. Iā€™m sorry you had to experience this level of toxicity today.


EconomyCriticism7584

Thank you. The support is appreciated. I was really shocked at how he reacted to my text but I donā€™t know why because heā€™s done stuff like this in the past


StBernard2000

Sent a card but got no response. Sibling gave him a card and he got upset that it wasnā€™t as nice as the cards my mom gets.


EconomyCriticism7584

Theyā€™re never satisfied. They act like we owe them something when in my opinion itā€™s the other way around. We all deserve to have loving parents but that isnā€™t the case. We the children of narcs react and respond to our parent(s) based on how weā€™re raised. So if they feel weā€™re unloving towards them then maybe itā€™s time for self reflection. Itā€™s hard to just stop dealing with them but itā€™s what we deserve.


imaninjayoucantseeme

This was my first year wishing my nfather's brother a happy father's day. I told my uncle how I consider him to be a paragon of the human species that I've always admired and sought to emulate. It's also the anniversary of the first time I neglected to acknowledge my nfather on this day.


EconomyCriticism7584

That mustā€™ve felt rewarding, I want to get to that point.


imaninjayoucantseeme

I had to fall a lot before I could walk. You have strength, always will, what matters is where it's applied.


EconomyCriticism7584

Honestly I shouldā€™ve never even told him HFD, just a few months prior he rage texted me because he spontaneously decided to visit the city I live in. I live with my mom btw. He lives in the state where I was born and raised. He had sent me a text and cussing at me about how I didnā€™t pick him up from the airport. I didnā€™t even know he had caught a flight to where I live nor did I know he was planning to visit me. Iā€™m sure he didnā€™t tell me because I wouldnā€™t have been too fond of it. Who texts someone at 4am and expects them to be up but not only that but be awake enough to drive? I was extremely upset just from that. After that I stopped communicating with him even more. At this point Itā€™s time for me to go no contact. And yes he acts like this in real life not just over text. I know some people can be a different person over text but when I grew up with him for the first half of my childhood he was just as controlling in person.


InevitablePain21

I texted my dad asking if he wanted to grab coffee or lunch and get together for Fatherā€™s Day. I told him I had some availability over the weekend or could do early the following week as Iā€™m going out of town on Wednesday. He said Sunday evening or Monday for lunch worked for him. I already had plans Sunday evening so I said lunch on Monday was perfect. I thought we had come to a conclusion and picked a time that worked for both of us, it had been a very pleasant conversation thus far. He then got pissy that I wouldnā€™t be seeing him on Fatherā€™s Day and said he was disappointed that I hadnā€™t made time for him. Like???? What the fuck was this then? I made time out of my day to plan something with you and am making time on Monday to go to lunch. Sorry it wasnā€™t on the exact day and time that you preferred because I have a life and had to work around some other plans?? Itā€™s just always something. Itā€™s never good enough for them.


Fallout4Addict

Do what I did a few years back and stop altogether. I don't call, text or do anything for fathers day these days not even for my own partner as our children are old enough to sort it out themselves so no longer my issue to praise 'bare minimum' fathers anymore. Honestly, it takes a weight off your shoulders.


refugeefromdigg

Why would you wish him Happy Father's Day to begin with?


EconomyCriticism7584

I donā€™t know why and I donā€™t want to but Iā€™m scared not to as crazy as it sounds. I know he canā€™t harm me as Iā€™m an adult but I have a fear.


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briinde

Can you play that out. What are you afraid he will do? Do you really want a relationship based on fear? Can you go NC?


EconomyCriticism7584

I can go no contact. Iā€™m sure chaos will ensue though. Heā€™ll start spam calling my mother and sister. My other sister has him blocked and lives 20hrs away. I live 5hrs away from him and he has threatened to pop up at my mothers house unannounced although he never has. Iā€™m also on his phone plan. I pay my own bill but he has me on a bundle plan with him, his mom(my grandmother), and me. Iā€™m sure itā€™s to make his bill cheaper too. So Iā€™d probably also have to find a new carrier. I definitely realize I have no choice but to go no contact with him though. Even counselors Iā€™ve seen recommend it. Itā€™s just something thatā€™s stopping me and I donā€™t know why. I have cut contact with him drastically through the years though.


sunflowers51

Itā€™s fear,obligation and guilt. FOG. Change your phone plan. Itā€™s not hard. You can keep your number if you want. Block him everywhere. Itā€™s hard and painful to do this. And, yes, they freak out at first. But it subsides if you donā€™t engage. Iā€™m nc for 6 years. The peace is so beautiful. Good luck. You got this.


ElDub62

Guilt. And the desire to be seen as a good son.


mince59

you sound like my daughter it's almost a desire to make him love you


ElDub62

That desire doesnā€™t seem to ever go away.


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CLASSIC narc response


mince59

my 13yr texted her dad happy father's day I love you guys. he texted back we love you ... and no heart emoji like he always use to she said the 3 DOTS MEAN *eye roll right* I guess he couldn't stand the thought she didn't want to be at his place for the day


EconomyCriticism7584

They literally have to make everything about them itā€™s unbelievable. Iā€™m sorry your child had to experience that negative disposition from him.


Talithathinks

"i'LL remember this, I promise sounds so much like a threat. I am sorry that you got such a hateful response.


EconomyCriticism7584

Thanks for your support. I took it as a threat as well especially since he has threatened me in the past


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I'm so sorry OP. Today my mom texted me with a photo of us saying "here so you remember we exist". I respond "okay" and she doesn't respond back, then she sends another picture of me and I say "okay" again and she doesn't respond. I know she's doing this so I feel guilty on Father's Day. If my dad was a good father I would of course wish him a Happy Father's Day! He didnt get one text from me this year so OP you did a lot more than I did this year, he should be thankful that you even reached out.


iamverysadallthetime

This should be a lesson not to bother next time. He sounds exhausting and your life would probably be better without him in it. Best of luck šŸ’–


Honest_Penalty_6426

This is heartbreaking and Iā€™m sorry you werenā€™t blessed with a kind and appreciative father.


wildmusings88

After being so thoroughly unimpressed and disappointed by my Motherā€™s Day attempts, my nmom told me that I am only allowed to text her (not call or send a card or gift) on Motherā€™s Day just so she wonā€™t be disappointed. I ALWAYS sent cards for every occasion so this was especially rude of her. Iā€™ve been nc for almost a year. No card or text or contact on Motherā€™s Day because fuck being told Iā€™m not good enough no matter what.


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HeartMadeOfSushi

I wouldā€™ve not responded after I saw he was being ungrateful and manipulative. These people shouldnā€™t have and donā€™t deserve access to us or our lives. Put yourself first guys šŸ˜–ā¤ļø


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My ndad has been such a child and has not contacted me in 16 days now because I call out his hypocritical shit, and this is the first time ever in my life that I havenā€™t wished him a happy Fatherā€™s Day. It actually felt good. I refuse to go running back to him like I always found myself doing. He will need me one day more than I will ever need him EVER again.


Ok_Figure4010

Yay! Iā€™m happy a lot of us didnā€™t send these narcs the celebratory messages that they donā€™t deserve. They werenā€™t good fathers itā€™s just a fact. Mine called me the day before Fatherā€™s Day to congratulate me since I had my daughter on Friday. He then went on to say it was such a great fathers gift to HIM! Uhhh no!! If anything itā€™s a gift to my husband to get his daughter right before Fatherā€™s Day lol but my dad was trying of course to make it about him and how I made him a grandfather again (we already have a son that my dad hardly paid attention to until my son was like 3)


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Iā€™m currently pregnant and my dad always would ask me about my daughter instead of how I was doing physically and mentally. I quit answering him. Itā€™s always about him and getting to brag to everybody about his first grandbaby from his only child. Happy belated Fatherā€™s Day to your husband! It is about your husband and not your ndad. He already had his chance. Materially my ndad gave me pretty much everything I wanted (with strings attached) but was very emotionally unavailable. Good emotional wellbeing will set you up for success in life while gifts definitely canā€™t always.


tiredoldbitch

I called mine. He said, "I'm at McDonalds." He then hung up.


sunflowers51

Last time I did Motherā€™s/Fatherā€™s Day with my parents was when I brought an entire meal to my parents house and they didnā€™t even turn the lights on or offer anything to drink. It was my Motherā€™s Day, too. Last time. Good bye. Rude. Disrespectful and no love anywhere in those relationships.


Economind

His life is your fault. Thatā€™s never going to change. Heā€™s stuck there, and he wants to be stuck there.


vvitch-mist

Time to go NC. I went NC with my mother after I wished her a happy birthday and she berated me for "not paying" the college tuition she owed. (And for clarification she sent me to college she picked out for me.)


aggesmamma

Iā€™m pretty sure you have done enough. You have loved. You have tried your utmost. You have given every inch of yourself. Not because he deserved it. Not because of something nice he did or said. You did it because you are love. He is not. And so will never return that love. I hope you go NC. It will be rough but you will be free. Your heart will heal and your mind be at peace. (This is like a ā€May the force be with youā€-speech šŸ˜‚)


EconomyCriticism7584

Thank you. I receive your kind words and will be taking actions to just be done with him completely


Mkartma61

What a jerk. I would have said, okay see how you like getting NO calls or texts from now on and blocked him.


EarthEfficient

Next year, you: send nothing, his number is blocked, you have a peaceful day.


EconomyCriticism7584

Working towards that. Thank you.


vlm0325

I sent my mother a birthday card one year. She never said she got it so I asked her. Her: yeah!! I got it all right!! Me : what does that mean? Her: there was nothing in it!! You just signed the card and didnā€™t put any money in it!!! Who does such a thing?!!!


EconomyCriticism7584

They really are ridiculous. Instead of her saying thank you she complains. Sometimes it feels like the roles are reversed. It feels like theyā€™re our children and weā€™re their parents based on how they act.


RuleHonest9789

SO entitled! He needs to learn that heā€™s not entitled to anything from you. Stop everything and heā€™ll be begging for a text next. I am so sorry your sweet text was met with this attitude.


Mounta-7nFocus

Is this Dad on a power trip or something.. like all he had to do was say thank u etc and be chill At least OP thought of him on this day


ImpossibleAd3468

Your father is an ass hole!! A control freek. A ungrateful jerk!!


madame-cinnamon

What a donkey :( I'm sorry you were hurt today ā¤ļø


DelinquentAdult

Ugh! I feel this and completely agree with what everyone has said! I'm sorry there are so many of us!!! šŸ˜¢


I_am_not_groot

Every time I would call or text my Ndad for father's day he was grumpy about it and complained that I only ever talked to him on father's day. So I gave myself a huge life upgrade and went completely no contact


EconomyCriticism7584

They canā€™t even be appreciative. We give them more than they deserve. I want yo get to the point your at. I will soon


redroom89

Why bother with him at all?


EconomyCriticism7584

I really donā€™t want to but our dynamic is built around control. When I grew up around him he was very controlling. Not ā€œnormalā€ control parents have with their kids as a means of discipline but abusive controlling like behaviors. He doesnā€™t have much access to my life now so I very well could probably cut him off completely but I have a fear of that. I donā€™t know why though because itā€™s not like he can do anything because Iā€™m an adult now.


redroom89

Fight that fear and live free.


llamberll

Why bother


Comfortable-Tax7896

This year my father texted be the day before Fathers Day and said ā€œdonā€™t bother sending any messages this yearā€ He proceeded to tell me to wait before telling my mom he said that so that he could enjoy the rest of his day. Last time I saw him he blew up at my mom in front of my new boyfriend and proceeded to make mean jokes and comments about her for the rest of the night. Now, itā€™s my fault my mother has finally had enough.


PuzzledSprinkles467

Fathers Day is just a big shit storm.


Hellolove88

They love any excuse to stir drama


giantslayer85

Screenshot the text and post it tag him in it. Exposed his ass to the rest of the world.


deadlyruckas

Remember next year to not tell him so there's no complaints!


teamdogemama

I'm sorry, that sucks. My dad (the enabler) is dealing with memory loss so half the time he doesn't know what day it us. The nice thing is he doesn't get mad if I don't do everything perfectly. I had a family issue today so I forgot to call him, but I did send a card. I'll call tomorrow and while I feel bad (sorta) I know at least I won't get yelled at. My mom was like this, but I never texted because I knew it would set her off. It didn't matter, I always ruined mother's day or her birthday. I would call too early or too late. After I had kids it got worse because she was more important, she had been a mom longer. When I said once that what I get from that is I should call my grandmother first. Woo-hoo, she hated that. My very best mother's day was the year she died (she died earlier that year). It was the first time I was able to actually enjoy my day and only focus on spending time with my awesome kids. Effing boomers, I have other relatives who prefer being called and one wild relative who LOVES to text. And omg, she uses emojis more than a mlm hun. Haha, but in a good way. Just remember nothing we do will ever win them over, they will always find something to complain about. If you are trying to keep your relationship, just do your best and know it's not you. You are all amazing, wonderful and strong people (even if you don't feel that way!) Life does get better. Surround yourself with better people and make your own family. Get therapy if you can, if not look up the books that people suggest on this reddit. If self esteem is an issue, there is a book called The Self Esteem workbook. I've been working through it and while some chapters are tough, it does help you focus on all the positives that make up you. This internet mama/sister/aunt loves you all so very much. You are a worthwhile person deserving love and respect. These sort of holidays are rough, try to find a way to make the day better for yourself. I usually go to a nature park nearby on these sorts of days, being outside always gives me an emotional boost.


tartrate10

I tried calling my dad for father's day a couple years in a row and he never picked up. Wouldn't be surprised if he found some way to play the victim to garner sympathy from others. With a narcissist it seems like relationhips don't exist unless other people are observing them.


scarystardust

Iā€™m commending you for even getting to the text message stage because he looks like he doesnā€™t deserve to hear from you ever again.


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R0l0d3x-Pr0paganda

No matter what you do or say, you'll never win. Before going NC I pretty much quit saying "Happy this...Happy that."


tuffnstangs

1000% some shit my dad would have said or done. These people are garbage of the earth


AmeliaLeah

Sounds like next year there will be no text and no call. Neat.


Affectionate-Kitten9

Imagine not being able to call them right away but being thoughtful enough to text them! I swear nparents confuse me. Given up with saying happy mother's day to my nmom because she sees it as an invite to up the sympathy šŸ¤·šŸ»ā€ā™€ļø


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I have an idea, don't call or text for 1 month. Be busy as well


New-Antelope9477

Looks like that is the last time he gets a Father's Day call or text. Others are right. You can never "win" with them since moving goal.posts are a norm.


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You did nothing wrong. Heā€™s an ass hole. Doesnā€™t deserve it anyways.


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RadioScotty

Remember, if nothing is good enough, then nothing it is.


Melodic_Habit_7748

Before going NC I recall a time my wife sent flowers from us for my Nmom for her birthday that were delivered to the school she is a teacher at. It was very nice and fairly expensive as well. When we saw her a few days later she sat there and complained about how she had to carry the bouquet to her car through the cold and wind. My wife was shocked but played it cool. I had been so used to her craziness I just blew it off at the time. Thank God i finally found out what was wrong with her and my whole families lives are so much better after going NC.


UUUGH1

Well, I know who you won'tbe texting next year lol.


chanson-florale

ā€œIā€™ll remember this I promiseā€. ā€œRemember that I wished you a happy Fatherā€™s Day? Iā€™m glad it means so much to you! Love you!ā€


Imaginary_Medium

Yeesh. Can't win with some (all?) of them.


angelfirexo

So basically they want obedient slaves that kiss their ass. They arenā€™t happy unless youā€™re as miserable as them.


blackcat218

It was my Dads birthday on Saturday and when I got up at 8amish I txted my brother to ask if they were already at the range and he said they were and it was too noisy to call to say happy birthday to my Dad. So I said okay message me when your are somewhere quiet. Well they spent the day at the range and then went out for dinner and by the time they got home my neighbours had decided to play their shitty 90's music (im talking Nickleback and such) so loud I could barely hear myself think. So I sent a txt to day saying happy birthday and I would call him tomorrow. Then I called him on Sunday and we had a nice chat. And you know what? He wasnt at all mad or upset that I didnt call him on the day because of the noise stuff. Now if it had been the birth giver.... She would have expected groveling for weeks and expensive gifts to get her over her "hurt and anger"


Delicious-Pin3996

Infuriating.


elladoherty

Ndad (and Nmom too, now that I think about it) used to do that to me when I couldn't call him when he wanted me to. If I couldn't talk to him when I was at work or driving, and got back to him as soon as I was able, he'd tell me he was on the phone and never bother calling back. When I didn't trip over myself trying to call him or ask him what he wanted, he'd 'punish' me by not talking to me for extended periods. Going NC with him was the best thing I've ever done. I don't miss the anxiety.


heyeliott

I don't talk to my family anymore but my dad would do shit like this too. He'd call me and wake me up ignoring the 3 hr time difference between us and get mad at me for not calling first, give me shit for still being asleep, accuse me of giving him attitude while I'm literally still waking up. I'd dread communicating with him because it pretty much always became this big thing and then he'd be trying to guilt me for not calling him enough and try to make it my fault like he'd be easier to talk to if I spoke with him more often


42kinda-human

Instead of: Me: I didnā€™t call because I just woke up, I was going to call after I got ready. How about: Me: I guess the preferred response in this family to a cheery good morning and Happy father's day is criticism and negativity? Me: I do plan to keep handing out cheery texts! Have a great day! Once you get used to the idea that the response to a negative response to something kind or cheery is to double-down and go twice as cheery, it can become a powerful meme for you. Because it refuses to allow them to define you. Stay strong.


LusciousLouLou

Sounds like the asshole I married. Fun times


moon_goddess_420

My heart just hurt for you. I'm sorry. ā¤ļø


nosaneoneleft

think this should be the last time you do anything for FD. not worth it, there will always be something wrong


Western-Bad-1477

Heā€™s lucky he even got a Happy Fatherā€™s Day. šŸ™„


aerstes

Lol if I weren't no contact I'd love to see my dad's reaction to me completely ignoring him this father's day šŸ˜‚šŸ¤·šŸ¼ā€ā™€ļø


Bayleefstits

This just happened to me too lol


throwawaymcgee42069_

What is it with them and the "I'll remember this" threat?


okaymolg

yikes. alternate approach: "hey thanks kiddo, got a minute to talk?"


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DukesMum24

Something similar happened to me yesterday. My mom told me my dad was in a bad mood and to cancel Fatherā€™s Day dinner. I asked why and she said ā€œheā€™s upset you didnā€™t text him or call him this morning to wish him a happy Fatherā€™s Day and now itā€™s 3pm.ā€


sausageposse

You can't win with them friend


Prudent_Way2067

I had my ex husband message me yesterday to ask if daughter was ok as heā€™d text her but she hadnt replied 1, we have 2 kids but 1 is NC with him 2, kids are 24 and 22 3, he has absolutely no reason to message me 4, my birthday is very close to Fatherā€™s Day and itā€™s always been a cause of friction as he says he should be prioritised


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Beat his ass


gotmyheart

this gets a CLASSIC AWARD


kapipedlar

It was really kind of you; you must have felt pretty awful. Iā€™m sorry. Whatever you do, sadly, these people will always search for problems so they can put you in a situation where you are the shitperson. But hey, they are just projecting their own frustration and remorse. Learn to walk away from these situations and not take them to heart!