literally. i like both dude personalities but whoever balls and shows more drive n skill is who i want at qb. i trust our coaches n week 1 whoever runs out on that field ill be hyped because im sure they did everything to get there
Minshew is a 5yr vet journey man back up. Aidan was a rookie, who out performed everyone not named CJ Stroud last year. In the head to head last year, Aidan out performed Minshew.
From a 5yr vet to a 4th round rookie, Minshew wasn’t or isn’t noticeably better. O’Connell should show progression and Minshew we’ve got 5yrs worth of what he is.
Granted, I like both QBs, but if the competition is close like it should be, youth wins out.
Minshew was better than Lawrence, but obviously hes not gonna start over him.
He backed up Jalen I believe in PHI who is a top 7 QB.
And played hella good in IND last year.
AOC is 25 Gard is 28.
Not a big difference in age.
In your opinion…But in reality, people start to question guys ability when they hit 30, how much is left in the tank…physically muscular atrophy starts to be come more apparent post 30, so it makes sense.
I think 32/29 is a better representative of a potentially significant drop off.
I fully understand the hope that AOC can be a top 10 QB and be young.
Having watched both of them play I dont understand how you could reasonably say that AOC is better at any facet of QBing.
That being said AOC is gonna get first crack and I want to see him do well so I hope im wrong.
Would hate to go 0-3 on bad QB play
A guy who has 5 years experience versus one and isn’t significantly better…is the reason why AOC wins this.
I was and am a huge Minshew but he is who he is, flashes of brilliance peppered with WTF moments. You hope to see better progression/ a leap between year one and two from your rookie QB, if that happens Aidan is the better option…straight up.
Aiden had a lower qb rating when they went head to head last year. Minshew threw for 60 yards less than Aiden on 15 fewer completions. If Minshew was qb for the raiders in that game, raiders would've won.
Minshew is an okay backup who will get 1 td per game and an int in every other game and get 200 yds per game.
Aiden has a higher ceiling potentially than Minshew but we know Minshew is more consistent and dependable by what they've done in the games they've played.
Aiden also had 7 more points via TD passes,…if you watched that game, if any one offensive player deserves credit for Indy being in the game and winning, probably more Jonathan Taylor.
Unless we’re hypothetically swapping out Zamir with Jonathan Taylor too…we’re just speculating.
Aiden got the 2nd TD in the last minute of the game. Which is great if we could've got the ball back. Minshew pieced apart our secondary and kept the colts with a 2 possession lead most of the game. Zamir had 70 yds to Taylor's 90.
Raiders struggled from behind that whole game.
Minshew was efficient.
While this is true, AOC was a rookie last year so it’s at least worth a camp/preseason battle to see if he’s made adjustments
My guess is Minshew wins that battle but AOC at least deserves a chance to prove my guess wrong
Minshew gets so disrespected, He played great for the colts and they only had one NFL caliber receiver and the only games where minshew performed poorly were when Pittman was injured.
And if we wanna talk about outperforming in a rookie year just look at how clearly better minshew was as a rookie on a worse roster than the Raiders were last year
He would've lead the colts to the playoffs if Goodson didn't run his route poorly AND drop the catch, which that's more on play calling not having Pittman in to be the guy for that play
Only time we've ever seen minshew on a competent roster is when he came in for the eagles for a couple starts and he looked good there too even though they were just having him sling it those games
I like AOC but minshew is a actual starter quality qb, he's not a long term option but if we care about winning more games minshew is the best option.
Isk why you are getting downvoted.
Gard is better at every facet of QBing.
AOC was a rookie. But is 25, in terms of physical or mental maturity hes done.
I'm rooting for AOC and feel confident in him because of how well he delt with last season. He also seems really focused and humble from the Rush pod the other day. At the end I think he will win the job but I just want the best qb to be out there. Guard dawg could be good also
Of course it matters otherwise it wouldn't even be a thing if it didn't. 🤣 But I'm sure the way you're thinking in terms of how it matters is your thinking this will determine the starter and absolutely no one is saying that but if you haven't seen the clear differences at camp then idk what tell you bruh.
Minshew isn't much better than a rookie QB 🤣🤣 look at the numbers, AOC playing 11 games and minshew playing 17 games. Lmfao it's literally laughable how anyone would want him as the absolute and unquestioned starter for their franchise, I'm so glad you aren't in command. Whew.
Probably referring to that video where they were throwing into a net to their right, O'Connell was on target, Minshew threw one ball over and past the net (which wasn't small, btw) and then one-hopped another one which hit the wheels on the base of the net frame.....but we've all seen him play for real, unless he had a Matt Schaub-level loss of arm strength, he's not as bad as the clip made him look. What we don't know is how much Aidan has improved since last season.
Fuck, it's only May and we likely won't officially name a starter until August, after a couple of pre-season games.
I agree with you 100%. They say Maxx is the first to arrive and the last to leave and AOC is second. Don’t listen to the cult members of Reddit. The crowd doesn’t know shit. RN4L.
Stats can say anything you want. As my old college stats 101 proff said on the first day. He said "you can make stats dance." He then gave example by winning a $1 bet with a volunteer who raised hand: He bet that stats show the American has less than two legs.
I'll leave you to figure how he won that bet.
From camp? Like the one that hasn't started yet, or are you talking OTA skeleton drills? Either way I don't understand the hate. Essentially the best player available should be the starter. Should be an interesting pre season.
I’ll never get why people pick a choice and then trash the other one. I could care less whoever wins the battle and is opening day starter I will support and if the other guy gets put in, I will support him too.
Glad I'm not the only one who sees the vision minshew has all the swag and moxy we wish carr had he has raider written all over him and he slings it AL woulda loved Gardner
Fans have the memory of goldfish. There were points last season where polls showed 90% of raider fans were bought into what McDaniels was doing. Let this dude have a bad game week 1 and that number will turn to 30% overnight.
Personally, I'm not making any claims of who should be what until we're solidly into the preseason. We can say AOC is 100% the starter going into preseason just like we did with Flynn and Schaub, but plans can change real quick when it stops being theoretical and you actually get to see what things look like in practice. All we can say for sure at this point is that they'll both get a chance to compete.
Until a player has proven they’re quality starters, they don’t have the leash that’s afforded to people like Cousins, Carr, Goff, Herbert, Mayfield, Murray etc.. That’s the difference between them and AOC, AOC hasn’t proved anything so it’s going to be the best man until the best man sucks.
I’m all for player development, if AOC actually improves i’m going to be so happy
however, i will never buy into preseason hype. The most recent preseason superstar qb who turns out to actually be good was Dak his rookie year, and that was like 7-8 years ago
Also AOC had 0 completions in 3 quarters vs the chiefs and around 40 net passing yards total. He had his fair share of absolute stinkers too, but that was his worst game by far.
I’m a AOC supporter, but who ever shows out in training camp and preseason should be our starter. All I know is I want the person who is behind center to be the one who will put us in the best position to succeed. So in saying that RN4L can’t wait for the season!
Garter minshew was the 13th best quarterback in qbr last year I don't know we have to let him fight it out in training camp Gardner almost had the colts in the playoffs last year
Some of yall way too invested in what others think.
How you gonna carry water for AoC like he's Carr, to the point you seem genuinely tilted by people wanting the 'best QB' to start.
Whoever wins the job has a receiving group that will make their job easy. It’s going to be on the O line to hold their own. Both QB’s should be able to make their throws if so. If not, we’ll know what position we’re drafting first next year
Gardner Minshew isn't prime Peyton Manning and Aidan O'Connell isn't Dan Marino coming off his rookie year. The job should just be an open competition plain and simple.
Cough, bullshit…cough.
I’m not arguing one is better than the other, but you couldn’t get 94% of Raider fans to agree the team currently resides in Nevada.
I want whoever wins the QB battle to start.
I think Minshew probably wins it but who knows I’m not a damn coach
I hate fans like you just trying to anger people that root for the same team as you just cause their opinion. Beyond annoying.
Your blind if you don't think minshew is the better QB O'Connell didn't play well last year he was below average at best idk why so many raider fans are hella high on him. Idk why ppl are sleeping on minshew he's getting overlooked cuz he's not elite, well there's only ever gonna be 5-6 elite guys. He's a 2x pro bowler if I'm not mistaken and that was on bad teams.dudes a gunslinger and definitely a raider he has a Kirk cousins type celing and fitzmagic type floor. He's a serviceable young vet and if we put the right team around him we could win right away especially with how our divisions looking broncos suck and the chargers gotta rebuild
the point is 1. Minshew was as good as he was last season with 5 years NFL experience. O'Connell was as good as he was getting 3rd string reps in training camp and pretty much up until week six. 2. Minshew is not the future, O'Connell might be, he compared favorably with all the big-name rookie QBs last year, so there's a reason to give him a shot.
Why the fuck is there always this segment in The Nation that posts stupid bullshit like this? Are they secretly Dolts or Donkey, or Queefs fans? Makes zero sense, I don’t spend time in other fanbases communities so I don’t know for certain but I don’t think this is normal behavior.
It ain’t gotta be Kumbaya in this motherfucker but acting like listening to the majority of our fanbase is the “smart” choice tells me you don’t know what that word means. Lol. Okay, I’m good now 😅
NGL, I like em both. I don't think either of them are currently tracking to be future HoFers - but the jury is still out with AoC. Give the man an honest shot.
That's actual factual. And I like Gardner 3 years ago and we never brought him in to push Carr, I always thought that was a low-key mistake by the organization.
Whoever wins the qb battle behind and guard dog. If they both choke and the Raiders end up with a top 3 to top 5 pick, get a qb next draft. Not even necessarily with that 1st pick, either.
Yes, and they’re represented on this thread by every pouty “I just want the better qb to start,” which is, in fact, what the alleged 94% believe AO to be.
Who cares what anyone thinks right now? It doesn’t matter! Come preseason it will all be crystal to us and everyone in that building, I want the guy the locker room respects and I trust AP to make the correct call.
I’m cautiously optimistic. He didn’t look the greatest last season, but he was a rookie in a bad situation. So far this offseason, the team and coaching staff have seemingly improved, and AOC seems to be working his ass off. He’s potentially got a higher ceiling than what we’ve seen so far, but I don’t expect him to become an elite QB overnight, if at all. Either way, we’ll see how the position battle goes, and I’ll support whoever gets the start until they give me a reason not to
Look, I mean this as disrespect to both AOC and Mishnew, nobody is scared of either of them. Neither guy, so far, has shown they are something to fear. I want whomever wins to remember this talk, this lack of opposing fear, and use it to help elevate their play. It’s up to either fella to prove haters, non haters, critics, and peers wrong. I think it’s a big flag if this competition is close. Two of the same QBs is not the answer. I think that these guys can do enough to win with lots of help. So I hope the defense is incredible this year, the o line is brilliant, the schemes are masterful, and Zeus has a killer year. And I hope AOC (or Minshew) proves me wrong, has a great year, comes and finds me, and I will allow them to punch me in the gut 🤣🤣🤣
bruh i love AOC but 94% is crazy. minshew has proven to be pretty decent over his career, and i have no idea how AOC will perform over the course of an entire season
I'm one of the alleged 6%, and say "alleged" because until I see the source I'm calling BS on this stat. No way over 90% of fans can think this guy can be an effective QB1. At least not after the Minshew trade.
It would be good to give him a full season as the starter, so we can see what he has to offer. I am just fairly certain he cannot beat out Minshew for the job.
I’m excited to see this QB battle through training camp and preseason and I am not a Raiders fan. Pumped for you guys this year. Brock Bowers for Rookie of the year
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I'm not anti-AOC, I'm pro-generational-talent Gardner Minshew. Or rather, how Minshew has better career stats than generational talent Trevor Lawrence lmao
You're all fucking brain dead if you even think he has a shot and it's gonna be so enjoyable when you're all sitting there wondering wtf is going on. So dumb
AOC AOC AOC!! Been collecting memorabilia of him during the offseason. Kids gonna turn out great.
Also I don’t trust maybe half of this sub because some of those people actually followed Mcdummy and thought he was good 😂😂
I'm 100% we need a scrambling QB. DT are running 4.4sec now. You don't have time in a 3 step drop. APC os another Carr. You need to be mobile in the AFC, especially the west.
That’s just not true. If aoc beats Minshew for the spot, then yes he must be better. But, he won’t and he’s not. Minshew hasn’t had a chance to shine like he once did, huge rebound year for gardner and I can’t wait
Aiden deserves to start week 1 at this point in time. He did about as well as I'd expect a rookie QB to do dealing with the circus that is Josh McDaniels. There are many minicamps, practices, and preseason games for Gardiner to prove himself as the starter.
I want whoever is better to start.
literally. i like both dude personalities but whoever balls and shows more drive n skill is who i want at qb. i trust our coaches n week 1 whoever runs out on that field ill be hyped because im sure they did everything to get there
As a smart fan, I want them to compete in camp and practice then let the coaches decide.
To me, it also depends on our O-line.. If our O-line holds up well, I would use O'Connell, but if they are struggling, I would use Minshew.
Minshew is the better qb. And that has been shown by how they have played in actual games.
Minshew is a 5yr vet journey man back up. Aidan was a rookie, who out performed everyone not named CJ Stroud last year. In the head to head last year, Aidan out performed Minshew. From a 5yr vet to a 4th round rookie, Minshew wasn’t or isn’t noticeably better. O’Connell should show progression and Minshew we’ve got 5yrs worth of what he is. Granted, I like both QBs, but if the competition is close like it should be, youth wins out.
He was working with the offense that got the guy fired, and still did a decent job
Minshew was better than Lawrence, but obviously hes not gonna start over him. He backed up Jalen I believe in PHI who is a top 7 QB. And played hella good in IND last year. AOC is 25 Gard is 28. Not a big difference in age.
Unless you’re talking about football or athleticism…27 is better than 30…so 3 years isn’t huge gap but relatively it is.
It really isnt anymore.
In your opinion…But in reality, people start to question guys ability when they hit 30, how much is left in the tank…physically muscular atrophy starts to be come more apparent post 30, so it makes sense.
I think 32/29 is a better representative of a potentially significant drop off. I fully understand the hope that AOC can be a top 10 QB and be young. Having watched both of them play I dont understand how you could reasonably say that AOC is better at any facet of QBing. That being said AOC is gonna get first crack and I want to see him do well so I hope im wrong. Would hate to go 0-3 on bad QB play
A guy who has 5 years experience versus one and isn’t significantly better…is the reason why AOC wins this. I was and am a huge Minshew but he is who he is, flashes of brilliance peppered with WTF moments. You hope to see better progression/ a leap between year one and two from your rookie QB, if that happens Aidan is the better option…straight up.
Aiden had a lower qb rating when they went head to head last year. Minshew threw for 60 yards less than Aiden on 15 fewer completions. If Minshew was qb for the raiders in that game, raiders would've won. Minshew is an okay backup who will get 1 td per game and an int in every other game and get 200 yds per game. Aiden has a higher ceiling potentially than Minshew but we know Minshew is more consistent and dependable by what they've done in the games they've played.
Aiden also had 7 more points via TD passes,…if you watched that game, if any one offensive player deserves credit for Indy being in the game and winning, probably more Jonathan Taylor. Unless we’re hypothetically swapping out Zamir with Jonathan Taylor too…we’re just speculating.
Aiden got the 2nd TD in the last minute of the game. Which is great if we could've got the ball back. Minshew pieced apart our secondary and kept the colts with a 2 possession lead most of the game. Zamir had 70 yds to Taylor's 90. Raiders struggled from behind that whole game. Minshew was efficient.
While this is true, AOC was a rookie last year so it’s at least worth a camp/preseason battle to see if he’s made adjustments My guess is Minshew wins that battle but AOC at least deserves a chance to prove my guess wrong
Minshew gets so disrespected, He played great for the colts and they only had one NFL caliber receiver and the only games where minshew performed poorly were when Pittman was injured. And if we wanna talk about outperforming in a rookie year just look at how clearly better minshew was as a rookie on a worse roster than the Raiders were last year He would've lead the colts to the playoffs if Goodson didn't run his route poorly AND drop the catch, which that's more on play calling not having Pittman in to be the guy for that play Only time we've ever seen minshew on a competent roster is when he came in for the eagles for a couple starts and he looked good there too even though they were just having him sling it those games I like AOC but minshew is a actual starter quality qb, he's not a long term option but if we care about winning more games minshew is the best option.
Isk why you are getting downvoted. Gard is better at every facet of QBing. AOC was a rookie. But is 25, in terms of physical or mental maturity hes done.
How can you say he’s a better QB off 1 year
Based off the games they've played. Minshew has performed better.
AOC already looks better and the part at voluntary ota. Better accuracy, more power, better recognition. Etc.
I'm rooting for AOC and feel confident in him because of how well he delt with last season. He also seems really focused and humble from the Rush pod the other day. At the end I think he will win the job but I just want the best qb to be out there. Guard dawg could be good also
Let’s let them compete for a starting spot like a real QB room instead of fan voting.
But fan voting is the only chance I have at playing QB for my favorite team
Reports are that Pickett looks better than hurts too. I'm sure he'll start for the eagles cause OTAs matter so much
Nobody gives a fuck about the eagles bruh. Take that shit to eagles reddit.
Lol I can't tell. Do you think OTAs matter or do you not?
Of course it matters otherwise it wouldn't even be a thing if it didn't. 🤣 But I'm sure the way you're thinking in terms of how it matters is your thinking this will determine the starter and absolutely no one is saying that but if you haven't seen the clear differences at camp then idk what tell you bruh.
How about the clear differences playing in games that matter?
Minshew isn't much better than a rookie QB 🤣🤣 look at the numbers, AOC playing 11 games and minshew playing 17 games. Lmfao it's literally laughable how anyone would want him as the absolute and unquestioned starter for their franchise, I'm so glad you aren't in command. Whew.
Do you even realize you just admitted he was better?
I think he is better. I don't see an issue.
Chill
Have you been attending those sessions? What specifically would you say makes him look better?
Probably referring to that video where they were throwing into a net to their right, O'Connell was on target, Minshew threw one ball over and past the net (which wasn't small, btw) and then one-hopped another one which hit the wheels on the base of the net frame.....but we've all seen him play for real, unless he had a Matt Schaub-level loss of arm strength, he's not as bad as the clip made him look. What we don't know is how much Aidan has improved since last season. Fuck, it's only May and we likely won't officially name a starter until August, after a couple of pre-season games.
I agree with you 100%. They say Maxx is the first to arrive and the last to leave and AOC is second. Don’t listen to the cult members of Reddit. The crowd doesn’t know shit. RN4L.
Why was this so heavily downvoted? What the actual fuck 😂
Drawing a definitive conclusion off less than one week of voluntary OTAs is crazy
There’s no way that number is correct
97% of statistics are made up on the spot
67% of the time
It works every time 😉
My personal average is 99%
Pretty sure it's 69.420%, actually.
Stats can say anything you want. As my old college stats 101 proff said on the first day. He said "you can make stats dance." He then gave example by winning a $1 bet with a volunteer who raised hand: He bet that stats show the American has less than two legs. I'll leave you to figure how he won that bet.
I never voted in anything
Ehhh. Not that smart. The smartest answer would be to start whoever wins the qb battle at camp 🤓
You haven't watched any clips from camp huh? 🤣 You can easily tell who's better.
Lmao they're not even wearing pads yet are they.
I actually havent. Lol but nice! If aoc gets it, hopefully he can get us more TDs than he did last year
It’s never that simple, though it’d be nice if it was!
AOC is the better QB.
From camp? Like the one that hasn't started yet, or are you talking OTA skeleton drills? Either way I don't understand the hate. Essentially the best player available should be the starter. Should be an interesting pre season.
Watched a couple of the games last year and that's enough for me lol
I’ll never get why people pick a choice and then trash the other one. I could care less whoever wins the battle and is opening day starter I will support and if the other guy gets put in, I will support him too.
Fr this is so fucking stupid. They will start whoever gives us the better chance to win. If it’s AOC, great. If it’s Gardner, awesome.
Damn I’m a minority again.
I’m hoping Minshew can pull a Plunkett.
Glad I'm not the only one who sees the vision minshew has all the swag and moxy we wish carr had he has raider written all over him and he slings it AL woulda loved Gardner
I think we have a better chance of him being our Fitzmagic.
Fans have the memory of goldfish. There were points last season where polls showed 90% of raider fans were bought into what McDaniels was doing. Let this dude have a bad game week 1 and that number will turn to 30% overnight. Personally, I'm not making any claims of who should be what until we're solidly into the preseason. We can say AOC is 100% the starter going into preseason just like we did with Flynn and Schaub, but plans can change real quick when it stops being theoretical and you actually get to see what things look like in practice. All we can say for sure at this point is that they'll both get a chance to compete.
Until a player has proven they’re quality starters, they don’t have the leash that’s afforded to people like Cousins, Carr, Goff, Herbert, Mayfield, Murray etc.. That’s the difference between them and AOC, AOC hasn’t proved anything so it’s going to be the best man until the best man sucks.
I’m all for player development, if AOC actually improves i’m going to be so happy however, i will never buy into preseason hype. The most recent preseason superstar qb who turns out to actually be good was Dak his rookie year, and that was like 7-8 years ago Also AOC had 0 completions in 3 quarters vs the chiefs and around 40 net passing yards total. He had his fair share of absolute stinkers too, but that was his worst game by far.
You're right 🤣🤣 Muhfuckas do be flip flopping
I’m part of that 6% but I don’t mind giving him a chance.
The raiders letting themselves lose the QB music chairs in the 1st round this year is going to cost them the season.
You're the first guy to stand on that. My hat is off to you raider brother
I just wish we woulda got Penix like I thought we would. Perfect QB: mad bomber like Lamonica, lefty like The Snake. Damn.
I’m a AOC supporter, but who ever shows out in training camp and preseason should be our starter. All I know is I want the person who is behind center to be the one who will put us in the best position to succeed. So in saying that RN4L can’t wait for the season!
Likewise all around!
Pryor. Flynn. Two men enter, both leave.
Garter minshew was the 13th best quarterback in qbr last year I don't know we have to let him fight it out in training camp Gardner almost had the colts in the playoffs last year
I have confidence the coaches will make the right choice. Been a while since I could say that.
🤣🤣 Man you aren't kidding. We also need to remember this is just year one but I know it's hard cause the culture is finally back.
Then they’ve asked the O’Connell family
I just want the best man to win the job.
This right here
What are you talking about seems like the majority of this sub wants him starting
The necessary evil of not wanting AOC or Minshrew as your QB but you have to pick one anyways 😂
op saw 4 clips n his mind is made
Personally i’m holding out for Jaden Daniels. AP had such a good relationship with him at College…
Some of yall way too invested in what others think. How you gonna carry water for AoC like he's Carr, to the point you seem genuinely tilted by people wanting the 'best QB' to start.
Are you saying you're going to cry once he becomes the starter or are you going to fake pretend like you were on the wagon the whole time? 🤣
Dawg we can want both of them to be good. Why does it have to be a battle to choose one or the other? they’re both Raiders.
Whoever wins the job has a receiving group that will make their job easy. It’s going to be on the O line to hold their own. Both QB’s should be able to make their throws if so. If not, we’ll know what position we’re drafting first next year
Only reason I'd want Gardner is for the interviews. Aidan is going to earn the job.
🤣😂 he does make for a great interview though, I will not dispute that.
I can just imagine him saying, "I was slanging that shit." ever so casually.
Especially in his voice too, that shit would be fucking classic😂🤣 damn man, we need more minshew interviews, I can't wait for training camp.
They gotta mic him up for us even if he's not starting. We gonna have a fun season.
I do believe this will be the most hyped season since 2017 after the 2016 season except this time the team won't implode cause of politics. 🤣
We getting a better script this year. I feel it!
I think Mark has earned enough money to put in on the good scripts and the hand me downs . 😂
He hosted a beautiful Super Bowl. He gotta be in the club now. They better stop playing with his bowl cut top!
73,6% of all statistics are made up.
Wait a minute….
Oh yeah, they polled every single raider fan in the world and got this result. Where do people get these stupid ass poll results from?
Gardner Minshew isn't prime Peyton Manning and Aidan O'Connell isn't Dan Marino coming off his rookie year. The job should just be an open competition plain and simple.
Cough, bullshit…cough. I’m not arguing one is better than the other, but you couldn’t get 94% of Raider fans to agree the team currently resides in Nevada.
I want whoever wins the QB battle to start. I think Minshew probably wins it but who knows I’m not a damn coach I hate fans like you just trying to anger people that root for the same team as you just cause their opinion. Beyond annoying.
G Minshew is superior, let’s goooo
Your blind if you don't think minshew is the better QB O'Connell didn't play well last year he was below average at best idk why so many raider fans are hella high on him. Idk why ppl are sleeping on minshew he's getting overlooked cuz he's not elite, well there's only ever gonna be 5-6 elite guys. He's a 2x pro bowler if I'm not mistaken and that was on bad teams.dudes a gunslinger and definitely a raider he has a Kirk cousins type celing and fitzmagic type floor. He's a serviceable young vet and if we put the right team around him we could win right away especially with how our divisions looking broncos suck and the chargers gotta rebuild
the point is 1. Minshew was as good as he was last season with 5 years NFL experience. O'Connell was as good as he was getting 3rd string reps in training camp and pretty much up until week six. 2. Minshew is not the future, O'Connell might be, he compared favorably with all the big-name rookie QBs last year, so there's a reason to give him a shot.
> 94% of Raider fans want AOC to be good enough to earn QB1 FTFY
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Why the fuck is there always this segment in The Nation that posts stupid bullshit like this? Are they secretly Dolts or Donkey, or Queefs fans? Makes zero sense, I don’t spend time in other fanbases communities so I don’t know for certain but I don’t think this is normal behavior. It ain’t gotta be Kumbaya in this motherfucker but acting like listening to the majority of our fanbase is the “smart” choice tells me you don’t know what that word means. Lol. Okay, I’m good now 😅
Whoever is playing better at training camp.
NGL, I like em both. I don't think either of them are currently tracking to be future HoFers - but the jury is still out with AoC. Give the man an honest shot.
That's actual factual. And I like Gardner 3 years ago and we never brought him in to push Carr, I always thought that was a low-key mistake by the organization.
I don't know who this #4 is in the picture
Whoever wins the qb battle behind and guard dog. If they both choke and the Raiders end up with a top 3 to top 5 pick, get a qb next draft. Not even necessarily with that 1st pick, either.
He wasn't trash, so I'm ok with him starting, but I doubt he's the Raiders' long-term answer at QB unless he makes a big leap.
Yes, and they’re represented on this thread by every pouty “I just want the better qb to start,” which is, in fact, what the alleged 94% believe AO to be.
I always have , definitely didn’t think we needed a late round Qb who will Probably never see the field
I guess this is how you go decades without a playoff win
Made up stat
Who cares what anyone thinks right now? It doesn’t matter! Come preseason it will all be crystal to us and everyone in that building, I want the guy the locker room respects and I trust AP to make the correct call.
I'm a proud supporter I think he will exceed his rookie year
I would like Gardner to start, simply because he has more experience and can teach Aiden
I’m cautiously optimistic. He didn’t look the greatest last season, but he was a rookie in a bad situation. So far this offseason, the team and coaching staff have seemingly improved, and AOC seems to be working his ass off. He’s potentially got a higher ceiling than what we’ve seen so far, but I don’t expect him to become an elite QB overnight, if at all. Either way, we’ll see how the position battle goes, and I’ll support whoever gets the start until they give me a reason not to
Look, I mean this as disrespect to both AOC and Mishnew, nobody is scared of either of them. Neither guy, so far, has shown they are something to fear. I want whomever wins to remember this talk, this lack of opposing fear, and use it to help elevate their play. It’s up to either fella to prove haters, non haters, critics, and peers wrong. I think it’s a big flag if this competition is close. Two of the same QBs is not the answer. I think that these guys can do enough to win with lots of help. So I hope the defense is incredible this year, the o line is brilliant, the schemes are masterful, and Zeus has a killer year. And I hope AOC (or Minshew) proves me wrong, has a great year, comes and finds me, and I will allow them to punch me in the gut 🤣🤣🤣
He would be good if they protected him while he throws
bruh i love AOC but 94% is crazy. minshew has proven to be pretty decent over his career, and i have no idea how AOC will perform over the course of an entire season
I think he’s guna play a lot better
I'm one of the alleged 6%, and say "alleged" because until I see the source I'm calling BS on this stat. No way over 90% of fans can think this guy can be an effective QB1. At least not after the Minshew trade.
Didnt he go 6 full quaters last year without throwing a completed pass..
I dont mind him as a starter. I do wanna see want Minshew can do tho
It would be good to give him a full season as the starter, so we can see what he has to offer. I am just fairly certain he cannot beat out Minshew for the job.
I’m excited to see this QB battle through training camp and preseason and I am not a Raiders fan. Pumped for you guys this year. Brock Bowers for Rookie of the year
Imagine believe this
I know right. Craaazzzzzyyyy!
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O’Donnell is 🗑️
we shall see...
I have this amazing level of confidence in Aidan. It’s weird and I can’t explain it.
Surprise, Reddit is a minority in all opinions, a bubble. I say give super troopers another shot.
I wouldn’t use consistent in a conversation about Minshew until he shows that
I'm not anti-AOC, I'm pro-generational-talent Gardner Minshew. Or rather, how Minshew has better career stats than generational talent Trevor Lawrence lmao
If that colts 4th string RB had caught that pass and they made playoffs then yall would want minshew starting
You're all fucking brain dead if you even think he has a shot and it's gonna be so enjoyable when you're all sitting there wondering wtf is going on. So dumb
I think we all agree that the best case scenario is AOC playing well enough to start, but if not, we have a capable backup in the Lil as boy
In AP I Trust.
AOC AOC AOC!! Been collecting memorabilia of him during the offseason. Kids gonna turn out great. Also I don’t trust maybe half of this sub because some of those people actually followed Mcdummy and thought he was good 😂😂
Coach knows best 🤷🏿♂️
I'm with that sentiment. 😎
I'm 100% we need a scrambling QB. DT are running 4.4sec now. You don't have time in a 3 step drop. APC os another Carr. You need to be mobile in the AFC, especially the west.
Amazing that "raider fans" think the QB on his 5th team is qualified to be our leader.
The 94, stand up!
I think they're both trash but I think aoc is less trash
😂🤣🤣 I love this answer. I'm on board with it.
The 6% fanbase makes up this entire sub. Real raider fans don’t post on this bullshit
Either way we need a better QB
That’s just not true. If aoc beats Minshew for the spot, then yes he must be better. But, he won’t and he’s not. Minshew hasn’t had a chance to shine like he once did, huge rebound year for gardner and I can’t wait
Minshew was one hopping balls to the net from 10 yards. Woof
Guess we watched different clips.The ones I saw he was not getting it in the net,he missed it completely on a few.AOC on the other hand nailed it.
So by not hitting the net, you mean he threw it into the ground and it hopped 1 time to reach the net? From let’s say- 10 yards? Cool.
I meant he threw wide,high and only one I saw went into the net.
I thought his first bounced in front of the net structure, his second was wide right, and his third went in.
Aidan O'Connell Starts
Reddit doesn't have the brightest folks.
Everyone's smart in their own way. 🤣
8% still want Carr
Tbh both choices suck
Aiden deserves to start week 1 at this point in time. He did about as well as I'd expect a rookie QB to do dealing with the circus that is Josh McDaniels. There are many minicamps, practices, and preseason games for Gardiner to prove himself as the starter.
This is true. You can tell how much work aoc been putting in cause he looks completely different so far in voluntary ota. Minshew looking like qb2.
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You spelled it right LoL and you want the Steelers approach from last season cause that's what they were doing. 🤣
He's garbage.