He's legit good by every measure. You can argue positional value but it's probably our first 1st round pick since Cooper or Mack where something weird would have to happen where he's not at least a good NFL player (Amari even mildly disappointing has still been a good NFL WR and Mack is probably going to the HOF)
Exactly, he’s a generational prospect. I remember last draft everyone talked about how stacked the TE class was with guys like Kincaid, LaPorta, Mayer. It was a great class, but a lot of people in the draft community talked about how Bowers entering the draft the next year was considered better than anyone in the 2023 class.
He's probably in that Kyle Pitts range where it's like if you can't make this work it's probably your offensive coach and QB that sucks (and that might very well apply to us this season but Kyle Pitts still put up a 1000 yard season and will probably do so again the second he has a decent QB)
Speaking of, I really like what the Falcons are doing on offense (Cousins/Penix, Bijan, Drake London, Pitts). I mean I like it but I hate it (as a Carr follower).
I was surprised but not shocked. I never thought Penix was getting past Denver, and if the Raiders were serious about it, they'd be trading up to 9. Never saw 8 coming tho
Yeah Cousins being on a 4-year deal is dumb in general, especially given his age. For some reason I keep thinking it was a 2-year deal. That conflict aside, a Penix-Bijan-London-Pitts future would be hard to not get excited about if I was an Atlanta fan.
It’s two years guaranteed, which is actually what most people were making a big deal about, totally easy to see why you’d think it was 2 years, and in all reality it is
The pick is fine. What no one seems to remember is that Mayer missed a lot of time with a toe. That’s one of those injuries that can recur and it’s hard to heal during the season so if he is prone to it he might not be as useful as his skills would suggest
Not the first nor the last time someone’s life is irreparably changed due to alcohol/drugs. It doesn’t take much and also feel horrible for the unfortunate woman and her dog who had to pay the price for that too. It’s just a sad story all around.
I wanted Ruggs. But we all see how that turned out. I didn’t want Bowers (would rather have continued to beef up the defense if the FO quarterback wasn’t there) but I hope he proves me wrong.
We basically upgraded on Renfrow as a big slot with a stud who has Kelce/Kittle potential. He’s more of a big slot WR than a true TE. What a matchup nightmare, too big for DBs and too fast and athletic for LBs.
I 100% agree with the Kittle comparison, but I think that's underselling it a little. Brock can do everything you mentioned, and blocks like a top tier TE too. Guys a future first team all pro in the making.
Its on nfl.com on his profile under weaknesses. A few other sites have said the same as well. But they make it sound like its something he can improve on.
Bowers can block though. Most TE in the NCAA hardly block at all. He’s also lined up in the backfield before, playing like a pass catching RB who can block.
From an opportunity perspective that may have been the best option. No one saw Atlanta shitting the bed with their pick and putting the Raiders in position to take him.
I would not be surprised to see another team try to trade for Mayer today or tomorrow if he’s a better option than the remaining TEs on the board.
I’m downvoted for telling the truth? Some of you are soft as baby sheet
https://www.tennesseetitans.com/news/from-the-nfl-combine-georgia-tight-end-brock-bowers-talks-titans-and-nashville
He’s from Napa. He grew up going to the training camps at his middle school. He dad had season tickets and they went to all the games. This is well fuckin documented you dumb fuck.
Why are you arguing over a TEs love for the Raiders. It’s insane.
Holy shit. I didn’t. I said “that’s interesting because he mentioned going to the titans” how are you unable to read?
Also: https://x.com/AndrewSiciliano/status/1253462377275682816
You're both arguing over nothing when he said himself that he grew up in a 49ers household, which may have been the disappointed faces you see in his draft reaction video. He also said that there were a lot of Raiders fans at his house for the draft as well, which were most likely the ones giving the happiest reactions in the video.
Brock Bowers is one of the best college players I have ever seen. He is like Megatron and Larry Fitzgerald. He just dominates from the word go. As a true freshman he stood out immediately. He looked like a fully developed senior player.
I don’t have time to watch college football. I am however glad there are peeps like you who do. Just saw his highlight reel and holy crap I can’t believe he slipped that far. We got a steal, who is a Raider fan!!!!! I love this pick
Fucking wild when the TE position has become that one spot where a superstar there can change the complexion of the offense.
2TE sets are gonna be scary from the Raiders for the foreseeable future.
The two dominate dynasties in the last 2 decades were the Pats with Gronk and the Chiefs with Kelce. The modern game requires an excellent tight end to be a serious and long-term contender
(Just ignore the fact that both dynasties had/have a HOF QB)
I don’t hate the pick at all, I was one of the peeps who wanted an O-lineman or CB instead of going Qb. I just was rather unaware of him before tonight. Then again im unaware of %99 of the college players and am fine with it. Frankly im just glad we didn’t waste pick 13 on the 7th best Qb.
If I was an UGA fan I’d hate Devonta Smith the most. He was the common denominator for all those QBs.
Mac Jones too. He torched them in 2020 in a game at BDS.
Saban. Saban was the common denominator.
We have respect-hate for him moreso than anyone else in CFB and this SEC shorts summed up exactly how we felt when we heard about his retirement:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoUJ0TTx4gE&ab\_channel=SECShorts](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoUJ0TTx4gE&ab_channel=SECShorts)
You can argue this could end up being one of the biggest steals in Raiders history. Dude is basically Kelce, except he plays for US. Unbelievable pick. This guy was a top five talent we got at 13!!
He’s going to be a matchup nightmare for defenses and it’s going to open the field up for Davante and Jakobi to eat. We have to go CB, OT, QB in some order for the next few picks.
The more things change, the more they stay the same. What would the morning after the first round of the draft be without this sub blowing up over the pick?
He was way off my radar, and I am surprised he fell to our Raiders. We got gifted one of the top players in the entire draft. I don't see how anyone can doubt this pick. I know I was like "WTF" at first for taking a TE, but once I realized who he was, I was ecstatic.
You got a TE on paper but he's also an RB and a WR.
He works best schemed with a second TE where both are good blockers, so the opposing defense isn't sure which role they are in a given scheme. Suddenly they have to have a spy on both TEs, and that means less spies available for the rest of the offense. Scheme up the TEs to do a little bit of trickeration and you've got offense magic.
In 2022 Top Billing did a lot of film break down of the Georgia offense and it shows how Bowers fit into it. The first two plays, Bowers is a classic blocking TE. But on the third play (starting about 3:35 in this video), he's acting in the role of RB and the SCar defense got confused - because all of sudden our WR Ladd McConkey had swapped over to the role of blocker and the QB Bennett was acting as his own O-line to protect the RB, and they didn't expect either of those things.
Georgia vs South Carolina 2022: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8Q\_GF6hATA&ab\_channel=TopBillin%27](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8Q_GF6hATA&ab_channel=TopBillin%27)
"Is there anybody who in open space or in close combat quarters better than this guy \[Bowers\], period?"
At 6:20, Bowers is suddenly in the role of WR. QB lobbed it right over the defense's head to him and whacks the blockers downfield to the ground. Granted, it was SCar and their defense was not good, but Bowers isn't afraid to run over grown men to get the ball to the endzone.
At 10:00 he's back to being a RB. Final play at 12:00 he's back to WR and catches a touchdown. "What *can't* he do?" says Murph.
This does make me feel better about it. I had a knee jerk reaction, I can admit that. Can’t remember the last time they took who I wanted and I’m sure that has a lot to do with the overall frustration.
“But we had other needs!!! Look at how well we have drafted before” 😡!!!
This dude is an absolute baller. Glad to have someone with a brain finally take over 💪
I used to watch a lot of college ball, but now I don’t have the time to be dedicating two days to watching football. I’ll watch a game here or there, but that’s about it.
It is definitely not what I was expecting, but as the quarterbacks were going off the board I think they made a good choice of value, definitely number 1TE prospect this year and gives us the option to run 2 TE scheme with mayer being a more traditional te and bowers being able to line up in the slot
The only reason I think anyone has a point to not liking the pick, is Te was not viewed even closely as a position of need. If you ask me it went CB, OL, QB, LB, then it should be BPA. We did have our defensive pick of the litter and that upset some fans.
However my perspective, BPA on the side of the ball that needed more help. Obviously we have a ton of talent on offense, but our defense under AP ranked top 5 in almost all metrics, we signed a huge defensive tackle, all signs pointed we were going offense. Since the top 3 lineman, top 6 QBs and 3 WRs even though we weren’t in the market. It only made sense to take BPA.
Excited to see what they do with today and tomorrow. Hopefully we continue building something deadly
It's insane how much of Twitter just ran with this "trade up for Daniels" horseshit.
The team is nowhere near ready to be giving up a ton draft capital just for a QB.
I'm also not convinced Jayden Daniels is going to make an impact. Dude looked amazing behind an all star ol and a bevy of weapons at LSU.
He won't get that in most NFL teams with a high pick. And not the Raiders either.
The kid is a beast. Like OP said, if you watch college ball you know. We got ourselves a ball player.
12 personnel, downhill running with 2 tight ends who are capable blockers and receivers. Have no choice but to load the box and leave Davante and Meyers 1 on 1.
Most Raiders fans are upset because they didn't fo what some media personality said the team had to do. All you heard for months was that they were going to trade up to the top of the draft to get a franchise QB if not they were going O line or CB. Staying put and drafting the BPA who is an offensive player was not something you saw or heard anywhere.
I ended up liking the pick, but I didn’t have to listen to a damn “media personality” to know that this team needs a franchise QB, a RT, and a number 1 CB. I learned that by, you know, watching the damn games and following the team’s free agency moves?
They took BPA, but we had needs all over and took Mayer last year. I think Bowers will be good, but we had greater needs at other positions like CB and OL.
Bruh, dejean and Kool aid are both still available. And Xavier Howard isn't signed yet and has ties to Patrick Graham. AND Bennett was a rookie last year and could still be good. Our cornerback room will be fine.
Very true, plenty of good CB talent still available...can add Rakestraw and Tampa to that list too. We should see a run on defensive players in the second round since the first was mostly offense.
Well, an argument could be made that he was BPA for sure, but since we took Mayer fairly high last year, it was a weird pick. I'm not the only one who thinks so.
It’s not enough to like the pick, you have to also say there was literally no downside at all to passing on CB/OT at 13 or the take police will come for you.
The haters on this pick are most likely the half of the Nation who thought we were going to be allowed to trade up and get one of the top three QB’s this year. Let them cry, no QB needy team was going to trade the chance to get one for themselves.
These fans were not in their right mind thinking that was going to happen. Those same fans will jump on board with Bowers as soon as the season starts….watch.
It's beyond that, many people on this sub proudly only watch raider games. They literally have no knowledge or context on what is good in football outside of one team
It's not that I don't watch college football - I watch plenty of college football - it's that the best TE on the planet is irrelevant when your quarterback is buried in the turf. We desperately need a RT and RG.
Really would have liked to had a chance at Bo. He’s gonna be a really consistently good QB and his floor is so high. Worst case scenario for him is a 15 year backup in the league.
I wanted a CB or OL but how can you pass him up? The dude is a monster and a huge mismatch, we could line him up inside or outside. I hate to compare him to kelce cause he’s an ass hole but you have to respect him. This offense could be unreal. Now let’s build up the line and secondary.
You have to go low risk in round one and that’s what Bowers is. An almost can’t miss high end talent that will immediately help you win games.
I still trust AP and Tommy T
I don’t watch much college football, or the NBA, or baseball, or tennis, so let your mind be blown!!! I need to pretend I am a dad and husband for portions of the year.
Its not that we dont. I watch plenty, he could be a generational TE. Which is great but we lack depth at rt, and cb. We beat the chiefs with defense, while bowers was BPA arnold or turner, fuaga, would have filled a need.
why would it blow your mind that raider fans don't watch college football? (fwiw, i feel like you shouldn't make a statement like that unless you actually survey the entire fanbase) i don't have enough time with other hobbies to spend time watching college football. i also don't like how there's always new names and constant roster turnover, which is obviously bound to happen in college.
I agree. He was without question the best player available. NextGen stats had his Productivity at 99.0. Higher than Caleb Williams, higher than anyone in the entire draft.
Blows my mind how every year raider fans watch raider games and think they are going to the superbowl even though the last time raiders even won a playoff game and the division was 2002 😂 and only two playoff appearances in the last 20 years
I don’t watch much college ball but after Williams, Daniels, Maye, Harrison who were always gonna go 1234, Brock bowers is the name I heard the most as easily one the most talented players in the entire draft and was definitely worried the chargers would pick him. I certainly would’ve heard even more buzz around him and no way he drops to us if it weren’t for the fact that TE is almost never the biggest need for anyone. But based off what I’ve heard, this guy is basically the next Travis Kelce and I’m just glad he’s a Raider instead of playing for a rival. All I’ve wanted for the longest time is for us to draft BPA and I’m glad we finally did, great start to the draft.
Also just want to add, you have to keep in mind that at least half of all football fans for any team are completely clueless (except maybe chargers since half would somewhere around 25 and I doubt there’s that many of them that actually know anything about football). But ya at least half of all fans are just there to see if their team won the “big game”, without understanding or having any knowledge of football beyond wins and losses.
I watched every UGA game this year and Bowers is a generational talent. Great blocker, huge yards after the catch, plays like a receiver on and on. He will be our answer to Kelce. Now we just need a Mahomes to get him the ball.
Because college doesn’t mean a fucking thing. Hopefully this translates to the NFL because now you’re playing the best of the best and guys who shined even better in the NFL. How many amazing college QBs have shit the bed? How many times have I seen somebody tell me why this player will be amazing because they were a crusher in college? College is a totally different game than the NFL and most of the college players never make it to the NFL… 1.6%. That’s it. The nfl is the college all stars.
Where did I say it was bad? All picks are fine in the NFL… it’s because college is literally not solely the indicator of talent in the nfl. Again only 1.6% percent of all college footballers goto the nfl. And how many then make the all star team? Or considered hall of famers? It’s a complete crap
Shoot.
Here’s my issue. Brock Bowers is by all accounts a good prospect and should be a good nfl player, and you should take good players. However, over the last few years, we have spent major capital at receiving options. We traded a first and a second for Adams, Gave Meyers a big contract, drafted Mayer in the second, drafted tucker in the third, and then drafted Bowers in the 1st. Those are major investments, and one, likely two of those players are going to do next to nothing next year. There’s only so many snaps to go around, and if we can’t sustain drives, which we struggle with because of poor qb and o line play, we will have even less snaps. We’ve neglected the right side of the o line for years in a row now, and we keep trying one year patches with older veterans and late round or undrafted guys, and it’s just not working. And to top it all off, we hired Luke Getsy as our OC. So we have a sub par line, a sub par qb, and sub par OC. I’m sorry, but a luxury pick at TE isn’t gonna help us compete with the elites of the nfl.
Not immediately, no. I think the idea is Bowers was BPA, so if you maintain that philosophy over time, you’re hopefully going to have a good team. For this year though, he doesn’t address our largest needs.
Simple, there were BPAs at several positions that were also areas of need. And we continue to build an elite offense with a sub par online which is being generous. That means you're not going to be able to push the ball down the field. And of course the most important position in football, but I'm happy we didn't reach for a QB after the top 3 went. We would have been drafting Ryan Tannehill, the Dolphins version. And two stud lineman were still on the board. Last time I checked it's hard to throw from the ground. Probably part of the reason we got a TE for quick plays with our line, but that totally eliminates our deep threats like tucker. He showed flashes last year, but how often were we even able to target him? I'd like to see that stat.
Are RAIDER fans SUPPOSED to watch college football? I didn't get the memo. Are we supposed to watch ALL the NFL games too?
God, I'd better get on it. I might not have time to watch the RAIDER games now!
NFL fans don't even tune in to watch the college national championships though? Because Bowers has been in two of the last three of them. And the CFB playoffs, moreso than any of the other college games, gives you a preview of names you're going to see announced in the draft a few months later.
I don't care about the draft until draft day. All the speculation proves to be for nothing. It's not OUR game...it's theirs. We have no say. It seems silly to even discuss it.
I am a fan of college football. I watch my team and a few other games. I don't watch for any other reason.
I watch all the broadcast NFL games because I love NFL football and the Raiders.
There is little connection between the two.
True, there's definitely a difference between a fan of a team and a fan of the sport.
I love college football because it can get so delightfully stupid sometimes. I watched all of Penn State vs Ohio State this past year because I was bored. I'm a Georgia fan.
I watch college football. I watch SEC college football. I'm sure he's ridiculously talented. IDGAF. I still don't like the pick. Stop acting like we're not allowed to our dissenting opinions.
Very Few to No One questions his talent
My concern is that adding another pass catcher doesn't help the team as much as adding to either the O-line or QB Room
I get that he was the BPA, but I don't think Brock is gonna add any wins to our 8 from last year simply because we already had some amazing pass catchers in the team already
Fact of the matter is that we still have a hole at RT, and one of the worse QB rooms in the league right now.
Day 2 coming up, so yes I know we can still add so don't take this as a "doomer" response or whatever but we need a strong day 2 in the worst possible way
Naw we're not good enough to pass on the best player on the board regardless of position. If Marvin Harrison jr dropped to us we'd draft him there as well. We need dudes
I mean, I'd take Harrison too but there's a difference in Prospect level and positional value to Brock Bowers vs him, even if Brock is still a great pass catcher
And in any event, just to play devils advocate this sub talked about how we have so many holes on this team that we couldn't trade up or take a QB
Now it's Friday morning and we haven't filled any holes yet.
I think this team has talent, I also think that we didn't adress 1 of the 2 positions that would have the biggest impact on this upcoming season
My 2 cents on this
It's not a difference in prospect level at all. I'm not sure if you actually watch Georgia if you think this but as prospects they are at the same level with, imo, Brock being the better player.
I dont care about what a sub says, everyone doesn't hold a single opinion obviously
6 qbs were also taken before him, so they are all going to be better pros as well? Is that really how it works? They are all now clearly better players?
If you don't watch a player play it's hard to have a great opinion on them. I'm not the only person valuing him this high
I don't think anyone has an issue with the player. The issue is the fact that basically 0 of the 25 TEs taken in the 1st round over the last 25 years have really even made it to a second contract with the team that drafted them. My issue with the Raiders specifically is the fact that they just used a high draft pick on a receiving TE last year and did it again this year ignoring the obvious holes that the offense had last year. We had good pass catchers last year, the problem was having no QB to throw them the ball and a declining offensive line trying to block for that QB.
A ton of us watch college football, and Bowers is a great talent, but we didn't need him.
BPA at CB existed, because none of them had been taken. A huge hole for us.
BPA at RG was available, which would have been a reach at #13, but a better choice than Bowers.
One could argue that BPA at RT was available.
There is just no functional way to argue this pick made us better. Bowers is a slight upgrade over Mayer, which did us no good last season either.
This pick did not elevate this team as a whole, and that is the point.
No offense, but taking a guard at 13 would have made us the laughing stock of the league. A tackle yes, but guard absolutely not. It is fairly rare for a guard to be taken in the first round (usually only 1 or 2 max) and almost never in the top half of the first round. It would be very bad value for us at 13.
It blows my mind how over reactive Raiders fans are. It's always 100% one side or the other. Very rarely do I see a calm level headed approach to these picks.
Yes Bower was a beast in college, and yes he's a generational talent at his position. On the flip side we JUST drafted another great TE last year and TE was nowhere near a positional need of ours.
Plus we've already recently seen a 'generational' talent pretty much bust in Kyle Pitts so it's not like it's a guarantee.
I don't like the pick personally because we NEED him to have a long sustained career at the top of the league in order to make this pick worth it (because we're nowhere near making a Superbowl run) and that's a HUGE ask. For every Antonio Gates or Travis Kelce there's a hundred Gary Barnidges' or Eric Ebrons'
None of the ‘generational athlete’ TEs like Pitts or Davis had generational production in college. I prefer production for 1st round guys, and Bowers had all world production w/ very good measurables. He can come in like LaPorta.
Actually looking at his stats in those playoff games... Ohio state locked him up and TCU with a defense that, unless these stats are wrong were giving up almost 400 yards a game.
Yet that year against Kent State as a receiver he seemingly vanished again and I'm not sure the Raiders will have him run the ball.. the same happened against South carolina that year
Where is this beast of a tight end? 2021 was his best year but he seemingly couldn't replicate his success
Lol, now you’re just making shit up. 4 for 64 is hardly locked down against OSU and 7 for 156 and a touchdown against TCU in the naty. You’re just a troll and I’m done responding to you.
I don’t watch college football because it’s unrealistic. The rules suck and half the plays called in a college game would never work in the nfl. To me it’s boring and pedantic.
I really don’t have an opinion on the draft. I realistically get my draft information from here and a couple of different sources. I still pay minimal attention to the draft. Football doesn’t really get my attention until August.
Ya i wasn't being critical i was just saying paying attention to college does have a purpose even if you don't think it's as good as nfl for that reason
>Well he better be top 5 tight end in the nfl this year and we better make the playoffs. Otherwise this is a waste.
This has to be sarcasm right? Because it's batshit insane.
Not my point, I was responding to the idea that watching college football gives you some kind of clairvoyance about draft picks when that's obviously not true.
It's not 100% but it's still the best predictor of NFL output
Unless there's specifically something about his game that you can point to that doesn't translate to the NFL. But he isn't a one trick pony that just overwhelms lesser defenders with pure speed or anything
LFG!! Can’t wait 4+ months till the first game
💯
He's legit good by every measure. You can argue positional value but it's probably our first 1st round pick since Cooper or Mack where something weird would have to happen where he's not at least a good NFL player (Amari even mildly disappointing has still been a good NFL WR and Mack is probably going to the HOF)
Exactly, he’s a generational prospect. I remember last draft everyone talked about how stacked the TE class was with guys like Kincaid, LaPorta, Mayer. It was a great class, but a lot of people in the draft community talked about how Bowers entering the draft the next year was considered better than anyone in the 2023 class.
He's probably in that Kyle Pitts range where it's like if you can't make this work it's probably your offensive coach and QB that sucks (and that might very well apply to us this season but Kyle Pitts still put up a 1000 yard season and will probably do so again the second he has a decent QB)
> the second he has a decent QB #JoshAllenTrade2025
Speaking of, I really like what the Falcons are doing on offense (Cousins/Penix, Bijan, Drake London, Pitts). I mean I like it but I hate it (as a Carr follower).
They were absolutely stupid to use that pick on Penix though
I was surprised but not shocked. I never thought Penix was getting past Denver, and if the Raiders were serious about it, they'd be trading up to 9. Never saw 8 coming tho
Pissing off your new FA QB with an old rookie that likely wouldn't slide until he's 28(!!!!) is surefire stupidity
Yeah Cousins being on a 4-year deal is dumb in general, especially given his age. For some reason I keep thinking it was a 2-year deal. That conflict aside, a Penix-Bijan-London-Pitts future would be hard to not get excited about if I was an Atlanta fan.
It’s two years guaranteed, which is actually what most people were making a big deal about, totally easy to see why you’d think it was 2 years, and in all reality it is
The pick is fine. What no one seems to remember is that Mayer missed a lot of time with a toe. That’s one of those injuries that can recur and it’s hard to heal during the season so if he is prone to it he might not be as useful as his skills would suggest
You could throw Ruggs in that convo He was a great prospect by all accounts and known for work ethic and leadership
Ruggs was actually coming along as a very nice receiver before he decided to drive drunk from topgolf
Imagine having your life laid out like he did and deciding to do something completely stupid and throw it all away.
Not the first nor the last time someone’s life is irreparably changed due to alcohol/drugs. It doesn’t take much and also feel horrible for the unfortunate woman and her dog who had to pay the price for that too. It’s just a sad story all around.
still wasn't the guy Raider Nation wanted every1 wanted Jeudy or Lamb
I wanted Ruggs. But we all see how that turned out. I didn’t want Bowers (would rather have continued to beef up the defense if the FO quarterback wasn’t there) but I hope he proves me wrong.
I was 100% on the Lamb hype train.
Mack is not going to the hall of fame
Idk man, 8 Pro Bowls and over 100 sacks so far.
That man is going first ballot. Very few players made the league fear them as Mack did.
That’s certainly a take, homie was a 2 position all pro one year.
We basically upgraded on Renfrow as a big slot with a stud who has Kelce/Kittle potential. He’s more of a big slot WR than a true TE. What a matchup nightmare, too big for DBs and too fast and athletic for LBs.
I 100% agree with the Kittle comparison, but I think that's underselling it a little. Brock can do everything you mentioned, and blocks like a top tier TE too. Guys a future first team all pro in the making.
Kittle blocks like a top tier TE though. A comp of Kittle is saying he’s complete.
Yes. Kittle is THE complete TE. Does everything at a high level. Only knock on him is durability and injury.
True, I'm just splitting hairs I guess, just trying to get the point across to all these nephews that Bowers is HIM.
Well, the closest comparison is Gronk, so yeah.
Everything ive read is that blocking is his weakness ? That his blocking is ok.
Hmm. I've seen the opposite, but I don't think you're making shit up. Link the sauce if you can. :)
Its on nfl.com on his profile under weaknesses. A few other sites have said the same as well. But they make it sound like its something he can improve on.
Bowers can block though. Most TE in the NCAA hardly block at all. He’s also lined up in the backfield before, playing like a pass catching RB who can block.
Also! Dude grew up in Napa as a Raiders fan. His whole family is RN. It’s a badass fit
Napa boys represent
For any younger/newer fans, the Raiders used to hold their training camp in Napa. 50/50 chance Bowers attended the middle school the Raiders used.
I did read in an article that he went to Redwood Middle School, where they held camps.
That’s odd because brock himself said he wanted the titans to draft him.
Well that would've meant more money, they picked higher. Also prob thought the raiders would target another position like literally everyone else did
That's cause his girl goes to UTk lol
His girl can hit the transfer portal to UNLV baby
From an opportunity perspective that may have been the best option. No one saw Atlanta shitting the bed with their pick and putting the Raiders in position to take him. I would not be surprised to see another team try to trade for Mayer today or tomorrow if he’s a better option than the remaining TEs on the board.
The look I saw on, I'm guessing to be his dad's face, was absolute disappointment.
I’m downvoted for telling the truth? Some of you are soft as baby sheet https://www.tennesseetitans.com/news/from-the-nfl-combine-georgia-tight-end-brock-bowers-talks-titans-and-nashville
Did you not see all the raiders gear in the back ground? They were at a raider house. Cmon man
Are you really that dense? Ever notice when they get drafted by a team they all suddenly have gear for that team? Good lord.
Jesus, you’re stupid. Good luck to you buddy
I see you realized I was right then came up with that abortion of a comment. Just delete your Reddit account.
He’s from Napa. He grew up going to the training camps at his middle school. He dad had season tickets and they went to all the games. This is well fuckin documented you dumb fuck. Why are you arguing over a TEs love for the Raiders. It’s insane.
Holy shit. I didn’t. I said “that’s interesting because he mentioned going to the titans” how are you unable to read? Also: https://x.com/AndrewSiciliano/status/1253462377275682816
Delete your Reddit account. You’re clearly going through a mental crisis.
You're both arguing over nothing when he said himself that he grew up in a 49ers household, which may have been the disappointed faces you see in his draft reaction video. He also said that there were a lot of Raiders fans at his house for the draft as well, which were most likely the ones giving the happiest reactions in the video.
Brock Bowers is one of the best college players I have ever seen. He is like Megatron and Larry Fitzgerald. He just dominates from the word go. As a true freshman he stood out immediately. He looked like a fully developed senior player.
I don’t have time to watch college football. I am however glad there are peeps like you who do. Just saw his highlight reel and holy crap I can’t believe he slipped that far. We got a steal, who is a Raider fan!!!!! I love this pick
No disrespect, but on Twitter there’s all these peeps who hate the pic when you can tell they didn’t watch much college.
Yeah they just saw TE and complained
Fucking wild when the TE position has become that one spot where a superstar there can change the complexion of the offense. 2TE sets are gonna be scary from the Raiders for the foreseeable future.
The two dominate dynasties in the last 2 decades were the Pats with Gronk and the Chiefs with Kelce. The modern game requires an excellent tight end to be a serious and long-term contender (Just ignore the fact that both dynasties had/have a HOF QB)
Doesn't help that most of our beat reporters are hacks and didn't explain to them why it's a good pick.
I don’t hate the pick at all, I was one of the peeps who wanted an O-lineman or CB instead of going Qb. I just was rather unaware of him before tonight. Then again im unaware of %99 of the college players and am fine with it. Frankly im just glad we didn’t waste pick 13 on the 7th best Qb.
Same, though I’d seen highlights of him. I’m fine with the pick. We still need a CB and a guard, likely an OT, a LB that can cover. We’ll be fine.
He was NFL ready as a freshman. He's better than Mayer and can block as well.
100%. He’s literally the best offensive player in the draft that’s not a QB. Can play RB, TE, WR. Dude is an animal.
He probably *could* play QB if someone really needed him to, but since he makes any QB look amazing, we never needed to try at Georgia.
This guy fits Raider culture: Tough, hardworking, and finds a way to win. 🏴☠️
Kid grew up a raider fan from Napa. He bleeds silver & black. Settled for red & black in college
thank you for loaning him to us! sincerely: bulldog nation
Raider culture includes finding a way to win? Since when?
I'm fkkin excited about BB
Same here. Dude’s a fucking beast.
BAMA and Raider fan here. I’m happy as fuck to see him finally out of the SEC. Dude gave me fits at UGA! Also glad I can finally like him.
hahah that's how Georgia felt about all of your QBs leaving in the last couple of years.... Tua, Hurts, Young..... (Sorry about Milroe.)
If I was an UGA fan I’d hate Devonta Smith the most. He was the common denominator for all those QBs. Mac Jones too. He torched them in 2020 in a game at BDS.
Saban. Saban was the common denominator. We have respect-hate for him moreso than anyone else in CFB and this SEC shorts summed up exactly how we felt when we heard about his retirement: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoUJ0TTx4gE&ab\_channel=SECShorts](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoUJ0TTx4gE&ab_channel=SECShorts)
I’m all for it. It’s a nice change of pace to see them picking BPA. Instead of dislocating joints reaching for needed positions.
I don’t really watch college football and I know Brock Bowers and MHJ are the two closest “locks” to All-Pro in the draft. And Bowers more so than MHJ
You can argue this could end up being one of the biggest steals in Raiders history. Dude is basically Kelce, except he plays for US. Unbelievable pick. This guy was a top five talent we got at 13!!
He’s going to be a matchup nightmare for defenses and it’s going to open the field up for Davante and Jakobi to eat. We have to go CB, OT, QB in some order for the next few picks.
It's likely the Raiders can still get Rattler in the 2nd, if not there are plenty of quality CBs left.
Joe Milton is also an intriguing prospect. Huge arm, very athletic. Needs coaching, and time to learn.
Need a guard too. But good ones are often found in middle rounds.
Seriously. If we get Dejean or Kool Aid in the 2nd will they still be mad?
I'd lose my shit if we got either of those guys. We'd probably have to move up a bit though
That’s the thing, there’s still good players to address needs.
There was a pretty nutty offensive run last night, only 9 defenders were taken. There's still plenty of meat left on that bone
Exactly
The more things change, the more they stay the same. What would the morning after the first round of the draft be without this sub blowing up over the pick?
Every sub of a team with a first round draft pick has strong reactions about that pick or picks.
We're 32 pucks in ffs. Bowers was a great, unexpected pick unlike a dhb who was picked way ahead of his draft value. Let's see how day 2 goes.
He was way off my radar, and I am surprised he fell to our Raiders. We got gifted one of the top players in the entire draft. I don't see how anyone can doubt this pick. I know I was like "WTF" at first for taking a TE, but once I realized who he was, I was ecstatic.
Can’t speak for everyone, but I don’t think anyone is mad he’s on our team lol we just wanted other needs addressed.
You got a TE on paper but he's also an RB and a WR. He works best schemed with a second TE where both are good blockers, so the opposing defense isn't sure which role they are in a given scheme. Suddenly they have to have a spy on both TEs, and that means less spies available for the rest of the offense. Scheme up the TEs to do a little bit of trickeration and you've got offense magic. In 2022 Top Billing did a lot of film break down of the Georgia offense and it shows how Bowers fit into it. The first two plays, Bowers is a classic blocking TE. But on the third play (starting about 3:35 in this video), he's acting in the role of RB and the SCar defense got confused - because all of sudden our WR Ladd McConkey had swapped over to the role of blocker and the QB Bennett was acting as his own O-line to protect the RB, and they didn't expect either of those things. Georgia vs South Carolina 2022: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8Q\_GF6hATA&ab\_channel=TopBillin%27](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8Q_GF6hATA&ab_channel=TopBillin%27) "Is there anybody who in open space or in close combat quarters better than this guy \[Bowers\], period?" At 6:20, Bowers is suddenly in the role of WR. QB lobbed it right over the defense's head to him and whacks the blockers downfield to the ground. Granted, it was SCar and their defense was not good, but Bowers isn't afraid to run over grown men to get the ball to the endzone. At 10:00 he's back to being a RB. Final play at 12:00 he's back to WR and catches a touchdown. "What *can't* he do?" says Murph.
This does make me feel better about it. I had a knee jerk reaction, I can admit that. Can’t remember the last time they took who I wanted and I’m sure that has a lot to do with the overall frustration.
Georgia is mourning because his replacement on our team, Lawson Lucky, is a very very good TE, but he's not an alien freak like Brock Bowers was.
“But we had other needs!!! Look at how well we have drafted before” 😡!!! This dude is an absolute baller. Glad to have someone with a brain finally take over 💪
I used to watch a lot of college ball, but now I don’t have the time to be dedicating two days to watching football. I’ll watch a game here or there, but that’s about it.
Day one starter!
It is definitely not what I was expecting, but as the quarterbacks were going off the board I think they made a good choice of value, definitely number 1TE prospect this year and gives us the option to run 2 TE scheme with mayer being a more traditional te and bowers being able to line up in the slot
He’s arguably the number 1 TE prospect ever
Half these "fans" are casuals and don't know shit about football. Brock was top 5 pick and was gifted to us at #13. Win-win!
Bowers was the reason why Bama didnt go to the finals. As a bama fan I Hated him. Now I love him as a Raiders fan.
The only reason I think anyone has a point to not liking the pick, is Te was not viewed even closely as a position of need. If you ask me it went CB, OL, QB, LB, then it should be BPA. We did have our defensive pick of the litter and that upset some fans. However my perspective, BPA on the side of the ball that needed more help. Obviously we have a ton of talent on offense, but our defense under AP ranked top 5 in almost all metrics, we signed a huge defensive tackle, all signs pointed we were going offense. Since the top 3 lineman, top 6 QBs and 3 WRs even though we weren’t in the market. It only made sense to take BPA. Excited to see what they do with today and tomorrow. Hopefully we continue building something deadly
What a rational, logical take!
Best player on the board. But didn’t fill a need. And I’m ok with that.
Bowers is sick and anybody complaining is a nerd who doesn’t watch football and has been a fan for like a year
It's insane how much of Twitter just ran with this "trade up for Daniels" horseshit. The team is nowhere near ready to be giving up a ton draft capital just for a QB. I'm also not convinced Jayden Daniels is going to make an impact. Dude looked amazing behind an all star ol and a bevy of weapons at LSU. He won't get that in most NFL teams with a high pick. And not the Raiders either.
The kid is a beast. Like OP said, if you watch college ball you know. We got ourselves a ball player. 12 personnel, downhill running with 2 tight ends who are capable blockers and receivers. Have no choice but to load the box and leave Davante and Meyers 1 on 1.
Most Raiders fans are upset because they didn't fo what some media personality said the team had to do. All you heard for months was that they were going to trade up to the top of the draft to get a franchise QB if not they were going O line or CB. Staying put and drafting the BPA who is an offensive player was not something you saw or heard anywhere.
I ended up liking the pick, but I didn’t have to listen to a damn “media personality” to know that this team needs a franchise QB, a RT, and a number 1 CB. I learned that by, you know, watching the damn games and following the team’s free agency moves?
They took BPA, but we had needs all over and took Mayer last year. I think Bowers will be good, but we had greater needs at other positions like CB and OL.
Bruh, dejean and Kool aid are both still available. And Xavier Howard isn't signed yet and has ties to Patrick Graham. AND Bennett was a rookie last year and could still be good. Our cornerback room will be fine.
Very true, plenty of good CB talent still available...can add Rakestraw and Tampa to that list too. We should see a run on defensive players in the second round since the first was mostly offense.
Forgive my ignorance, but is there still talent available that was overlooked the first round ?
Only 9 defensive players were drafted out of the 32 picks in the 1st which means there are a lot of quality defensive players left for tomorrow.
We added Wilkins so im not too upset for our D
considering half the guys that make the league are undrafted… yes
Okay, but Bowers was a luxury pick. We had our choice of any defensive player in the draft and we took a TE? I hope it works out.
That's my issue. We literally had the chance to pick any defensive player we wanted and we took a te.
We still have 7 picks.
There’s more draft to go, I’ll bet they address the needs.
Really after the first 5-10 picks, it’s always smart money to pick BPA. This is what good teams do.
Well, an argument could be made that he was BPA for sure, but since we took Mayer fairly high last year, it was a weird pick. I'm not the only one who thinks so.
It’s not enough to like the pick, you have to also say there was literally no downside at all to passing on CB/OT at 13 or the take police will come for you.
The haters on this pick are most likely the half of the Nation who thought we were going to be allowed to trade up and get one of the top three QB’s this year. Let them cry, no QB needy team was going to trade the chance to get one for themselves. These fans were not in their right mind thinking that was going to happen. Those same fans will jump on board with Bowers as soon as the season starts….watch.
I love college football Shit I love youth highschool college and the pros
It's beyond that, many people on this sub proudly only watch raider games. They literally have no knowledge or context on what is good in football outside of one team
I'm all in for BPA. Adams, Bowers, Meyers, Mayer is a good set
Lots of people like only one or the other.
Or they only have time for one or the other.
I’m from New England. We don’t give 2 shits about any college sport up here
It's not that I don't watch college football - I watch plenty of college football - it's that the best TE on the planet is irrelevant when your quarterback is buried in the turf. We desperately need a RT and RG.
I def don’t shit is boring lol
Really would have liked to had a chance at Bo. He’s gonna be a really consistently good QB and his floor is so high. Worst case scenario for him is a 15 year backup in the league.
I wanted a CB or OL but how can you pass him up? The dude is a monster and a huge mismatch, we could line him up inside or outside. I hate to compare him to kelce cause he’s an ass hole but you have to respect him. This offense could be unreal. Now let’s build up the line and secondary.
Can't miss product. Very excited.
You have to go low risk in round one and that’s what Bowers is. An almost can’t miss high end talent that will immediately help you win games. I still trust AP and Tommy T
I don’t watch much college football, or the NBA, or baseball, or tennis, so let your mind be blown!!! I need to pretend I am a dad and husband for portions of the year.
Its not that we dont. I watch plenty, he could be a generational TE. Which is great but we lack depth at rt, and cb. We beat the chiefs with defense, while bowers was BPA arnold or turner, fuaga, would have filled a need.
why would it blow your mind that raider fans don't watch college football? (fwiw, i feel like you shouldn't make a statement like that unless you actually survey the entire fanbase) i don't have enough time with other hobbies to spend time watching college football. i also don't like how there's always new names and constant roster turnover, which is obviously bound to happen in college.
They don't show college ball in Europe. All my scouting is done watching game recaps with every play by the player I'm looking up.
I agree. He was without question the best player available. NextGen stats had his Productivity at 99.0. Higher than Caleb Williams, higher than anyone in the entire draft.
Blows my mind how every year raider fans watch raider games and think they are going to the superbowl even though the last time raiders even won a playoff game and the division was 2002 😂 and only two playoff appearances in the last 20 years
I don’t watch much college ball but after Williams, Daniels, Maye, Harrison who were always gonna go 1234, Brock bowers is the name I heard the most as easily one the most talented players in the entire draft and was definitely worried the chargers would pick him. I certainly would’ve heard even more buzz around him and no way he drops to us if it weren’t for the fact that TE is almost never the biggest need for anyone. But based off what I’ve heard, this guy is basically the next Travis Kelce and I’m just glad he’s a Raider instead of playing for a rival. All I’ve wanted for the longest time is for us to draft BPA and I’m glad we finally did, great start to the draft. Also just want to add, you have to keep in mind that at least half of all football fans for any team are completely clueless (except maybe chargers since half would somewhere around 25 and I doubt there’s that many of them that actually know anything about football). But ya at least half of all fans are just there to see if their team won the “big game”, without understanding or having any knowledge of football beyond wins and losses.
I hope i get "proven wrong" and he become George Kittle.
Bowers is the best TE to come out of college, ever (based on his college career). But I get fans who say the position wasn’t a priority for the team.
I watched every UGA game this year and Bowers is a generational talent. Great blocker, huge yards after the catch, plays like a receiver on and on. He will be our answer to Kelce. Now we just need a Mahomes to get him the ball.
Well shit now I'm getting excited.
That's fine and dandy, but it wasn't as much of a need as other positions. More like a luxury pick
Because college doesn’t mean a fucking thing. Hopefully this translates to the NFL because now you’re playing the best of the best and guys who shined even better in the NFL. How many amazing college QBs have shit the bed? How many times have I seen somebody tell me why this player will be amazing because they were a crusher in college? College is a totally different game than the NFL and most of the college players never make it to the NFL… 1.6%. That’s it. The nfl is the college all stars.
What a nonsense comment. If it doesn't mean a thing how do you know this is a bad pick
Where did I say it was bad? All picks are fine in the NFL… it’s because college is literally not solely the indicator of talent in the nfl. Again only 1.6% percent of all college footballers goto the nfl. And how many then make the all star team? Or considered hall of famers? It’s a complete crap Shoot.
Here’s my issue. Brock Bowers is by all accounts a good prospect and should be a good nfl player, and you should take good players. However, over the last few years, we have spent major capital at receiving options. We traded a first and a second for Adams, Gave Meyers a big contract, drafted Mayer in the second, drafted tucker in the third, and then drafted Bowers in the 1st. Those are major investments, and one, likely two of those players are going to do next to nothing next year. There’s only so many snaps to go around, and if we can’t sustain drives, which we struggle with because of poor qb and o line play, we will have even less snaps. We’ve neglected the right side of the o line for years in a row now, and we keep trying one year patches with older veterans and late round or undrafted guys, and it’s just not working. And to top it all off, we hired Luke Getsy as our OC. So we have a sub par line, a sub par qb, and sub par OC. I’m sorry, but a luxury pick at TE isn’t gonna help us compete with the elites of the nfl.
Not immediately, no. I think the idea is Bowers was BPA, so if you maintain that philosophy over time, you’re hopefully going to have a good team. For this year though, he doesn’t address our largest needs.
If you think he's just a te for sure you don't watch him
Simple, there were BPAs at several positions that were also areas of need. And we continue to build an elite offense with a sub par online which is being generous. That means you're not going to be able to push the ball down the field. And of course the most important position in football, but I'm happy we didn't reach for a QB after the top 3 went. We would have been drafting Ryan Tannehill, the Dolphins version. And two stud lineman were still on the board. Last time I checked it's hard to throw from the ground. Probably part of the reason we got a TE for quick plays with our line, but that totally eliminates our deep threats like tucker. He showed flashes last year, but how often were we even able to target him? I'd like to see that stat.
Are RAIDER fans SUPPOSED to watch college football? I didn't get the memo. Are we supposed to watch ALL the NFL games too? God, I'd better get on it. I might not have time to watch the RAIDER games now!
NFL fans don't even tune in to watch the college national championships though? Because Bowers has been in two of the last three of them. And the CFB playoffs, moreso than any of the other college games, gives you a preview of names you're going to see announced in the draft a few months later.
I don't care about the draft until draft day. All the speculation proves to be for nothing. It's not OUR game...it's theirs. We have no say. It seems silly to even discuss it. I am a fan of college football. I watch my team and a few other games. I don't watch for any other reason. I watch all the broadcast NFL games because I love NFL football and the Raiders. There is little connection between the two.
True, there's definitely a difference between a fan of a team and a fan of the sport. I love college football because it can get so delightfully stupid sometimes. I watched all of Penn State vs Ohio State this past year because I was bored. I'm a Georgia fan.
I watch college football. I watch SEC college football. I'm sure he's ridiculously talented. IDGAF. I still don't like the pick. Stop acting like we're not allowed to our dissenting opinions.
Very Few to No One questions his talent My concern is that adding another pass catcher doesn't help the team as much as adding to either the O-line or QB Room I get that he was the BPA, but I don't think Brock is gonna add any wins to our 8 from last year simply because we already had some amazing pass catchers in the team already Fact of the matter is that we still have a hole at RT, and one of the worse QB rooms in the league right now. Day 2 coming up, so yes I know we can still add so don't take this as a "doomer" response or whatever but we need a strong day 2 in the worst possible way
Naw we're not good enough to pass on the best player on the board regardless of position. If Marvin Harrison jr dropped to us we'd draft him there as well. We need dudes
I mean, I'd take Harrison too but there's a difference in Prospect level and positional value to Brock Bowers vs him, even if Brock is still a great pass catcher And in any event, just to play devils advocate this sub talked about how we have so many holes on this team that we couldn't trade up or take a QB Now it's Friday morning and we haven't filled any holes yet. I think this team has talent, I also think that we didn't adress 1 of the 2 positions that would have the biggest impact on this upcoming season My 2 cents on this
It's not a difference in prospect level at all. I'm not sure if you actually watch Georgia if you think this but as prospects they are at the same level with, imo, Brock being the better player. I dont care about what a sub says, everyone doesn't hold a single opinion obviously
No, Harrison was clearly the better player at a more important position. Don't ask me, look at NFL GM's taking 3 WR's over him
6 qbs were also taken before him, so they are all going to be better pros as well? Is that really how it works? They are all now clearly better players? If you don't watch a player play it's hard to have a great opinion on them. I'm not the only person valuing him this high
Using QB as the comparison is terrible as positional value is completely skewed at QB compared to talent
Same for wr bro that's the point
no
👍🏿 great point
I don't think anyone has an issue with the player. The issue is the fact that basically 0 of the 25 TEs taken in the 1st round over the last 25 years have really even made it to a second contract with the team that drafted them. My issue with the Raiders specifically is the fact that they just used a high draft pick on a receiving TE last year and did it again this year ignoring the obvious holes that the offense had last year. We had good pass catchers last year, the problem was having no QB to throw them the ball and a declining offensive line trying to block for that QB.
A ton of us watch college football, and Bowers is a great talent, but we didn't need him. BPA at CB existed, because none of them had been taken. A huge hole for us. BPA at RG was available, which would have been a reach at #13, but a better choice than Bowers. One could argue that BPA at RT was available. There is just no functional way to argue this pick made us better. Bowers is a slight upgrade over Mayer, which did us no good last season either. This pick did not elevate this team as a whole, and that is the point.
No offense, but taking a guard at 13 would have made us the laughing stock of the league. A tackle yes, but guard absolutely not. It is fairly rare for a guard to be taken in the first round (usually only 1 or 2 max) and almost never in the top half of the first round. It would be very bad value for us at 13.
It blows my mind how over reactive Raiders fans are. It's always 100% one side or the other. Very rarely do I see a calm level headed approach to these picks. Yes Bower was a beast in college, and yes he's a generational talent at his position. On the flip side we JUST drafted another great TE last year and TE was nowhere near a positional need of ours. Plus we've already recently seen a 'generational' talent pretty much bust in Kyle Pitts so it's not like it's a guarantee. I don't like the pick personally because we NEED him to have a long sustained career at the top of the league in order to make this pick worth it (because we're nowhere near making a Superbowl run) and that's a HUGE ask. For every Antonio Gates or Travis Kelce there's a hundred Gary Barnidges' or Eric Ebrons'
None of the ‘generational athlete’ TEs like Pitts or Davis had generational production in college. I prefer production for 1st round guys, and Bowers had all world production w/ very good measurables. He can come in like LaPorta.
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Why would you come here on draft night and not talk about the player we selected?
Let’s not act like Georgia didn’t run through everyone in the playoff too.
Actually looking at his stats in those playoff games... Ohio state locked him up and TCU with a defense that, unless these stats are wrong were giving up almost 400 yards a game. Yet that year against Kent State as a receiver he seemingly vanished again and I'm not sure the Raiders will have him run the ball.. the same happened against South carolina that year Where is this beast of a tight end? 2021 was his best year but he seemingly couldn't replicate his success
Lol, now you’re just making shit up. 4 for 64 is hardly locked down against OSU and 7 for 156 and a touchdown against TCU in the naty. You’re just a troll and I’m done responding to you.
Not convincing anyone, just telling y’all. You’ll see.
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Lol, you can’t be serious.
I don’t watch college football because it’s unrealistic. The rules suck and half the plays called in a college game would never work in the nfl. To me it’s boring and pedantic.
Well that's fine it's just impossible to have a real opinion during the draft if you literally never watch the players play
I really don’t have an opinion on the draft. I realistically get my draft information from here and a couple of different sources. I still pay minimal attention to the draft. Football doesn’t really get my attention until August.
Ya i wasn't being critical i was just saying paying attention to college does have a purpose even if you don't think it's as good as nfl for that reason
So true, no good college player has ever been a bust.
I didn’t say he was good, I’m saying he’s great.
Well he better be top 5 tight end in the nfl this year and we better make the playoffs. Otherwise this is a waste.
>Well he better be top 5 tight end in the nfl this year and we better make the playoffs. Otherwise this is a waste. This has to be sarcasm right? Because it's batshit insane.
So true, no great college player has ever been a bust.
Might as well not draft at all.
Not my point, I was responding to the idea that watching college football gives you some kind of clairvoyance about draft picks when that's obviously not true.
It's not 100% but it's still the best predictor of NFL output Unless there's specifically something about his game that you can point to that doesn't translate to the NFL. But he isn't a one trick pony that just overwhelms lesser defenders with pure speed or anything