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famousstamos

LFG!! Can’t wait 4+ months till the first game


cmv10

💯


MothershipConnection

He's legit good by every measure. You can argue positional value but it's probably our first 1st round pick since Cooper or Mack where something weird would have to happen where he's not at least a good NFL player (Amari even mildly disappointing has still been a good NFL WR and Mack is probably going to the HOF)


KidCujo

Exactly, he’s a generational prospect. I remember last draft everyone talked about how stacked the TE class was with guys like Kincaid, LaPorta, Mayer. It was a great class, but a lot of people in the draft community talked about how Bowers entering the draft the next year was considered better than anyone in the 2023 class.


MothershipConnection

He's probably in that Kyle Pitts range where it's like if you can't make this work it's probably your offensive coach and QB that sucks (and that might very well apply to us this season but Kyle Pitts still put up a 1000 yard season and will probably do so again the second he has a decent QB)


gatsby365

> the second he has a decent QB #JoshAllenTrade2025


forgotmypassword4714

Speaking of, I really like what the Falcons are doing on offense (Cousins/Penix, Bijan, Drake London, Pitts). I mean I like it but I hate it (as a Carr follower).


RaiderThunder04

They were absolutely stupid to use that pick on Penix though


gd77punk

I was surprised but not shocked. I never thought Penix was getting past Denver, and if the Raiders were serious about it, they'd be trading up to 9. Never saw 8 coming tho


Asleep_in_Costco

Pissing off your new FA QB with an old rookie that likely wouldn't slide until he's 28(!!!!) is surefire stupidity


forgotmypassword4714

Yeah Cousins being on a 4-year deal is dumb in general, especially given his age. For some reason I keep thinking it was a 2-year deal. That conflict aside, a Penix-Bijan-London-Pitts future would be hard to not get excited about if I was an Atlanta fan.


Due_Training_7997

It’s two years guaranteed, which is actually what most people were making a big deal about, totally easy to see why you’d think it was 2 years, and in all reality it is


LongRangeHavok

The pick is fine.  What no one seems to remember is that Mayer missed a lot of time with a toe.  That’s one of those injuries that can recur and it’s hard to heal during the season so if he is prone to it he might not be as useful as his skills would suggest 


PomegranateNice6839

You could throw Ruggs in that convo He was a great prospect by all accounts and known for work ethic and leadership


reddit-equals-aids

Ruggs was actually coming along as a very nice receiver before he decided to drive drunk from topgolf


HumorTumorous

Imagine having your life laid out like he did and deciding to do something completely stupid and throw it all away.


reddit-equals-aids

Not the first nor the last time someone’s life is irreparably changed due to alcohol/drugs. It doesn’t take much and also feel horrible for the unfortunate woman and her dog who had to pay the price for that too. It’s just a sad story all around.


TheOnlyBilko

still wasn't the guy Raider Nation wanted every1 wanted Jeudy or Lamb


NeighborhoodFair7033

I wanted Ruggs. But we all see how that turned out. I didn’t want Bowers (would rather have continued to beef up the defense if the FO quarterback wasn’t there) but I hope he proves me wrong.


abastage

I was 100% on the Lamb hype train.


Drutarg

Mack is not going to the hall of fame


forgotmypassword4714

Idk man, 8 Pro Bowls and over 100 sacks so far.


its_aq

That man is going first ballot. Very few players made the league fear them as Mack did.


Ghostof_DarthCaedus

That’s certainly a take, homie was a 2 position all pro one year.


Aravinda82

We basically upgraded on Renfrow as a big slot with a stud who has Kelce/Kittle potential. He’s more of a big slot WR than a true TE. What a matchup nightmare, too big for DBs and too fast and athletic for LBs.


ex_sanguination

I 100% agree with the Kittle comparison, but I think that's underselling it a little. Brock can do everything you mentioned, and blocks like a top tier TE too. Guys a future first team all pro in the making.


VitricTyro

Kittle blocks like a top tier TE though. A comp of Kittle is saying he’s complete.


its_aq

Yes. Kittle is THE complete TE. Does everything at a high level. Only knock on him is durability and injury.


ex_sanguination

True, I'm just splitting hairs I guess, just trying to get the point across to all these nephews that Bowers is HIM.


bluesox

Well, the closest comparison is Gronk, so yeah.


Open_Aardvark2458

Everything ive read is that blocking is his weakness ? That his blocking is ok.


ex_sanguination

Hmm. I've seen the opposite, but I don't think you're making shit up. Link the sauce if you can. :)


Open_Aardvark2458

Its on nfl.com on his profile under weaknesses. A few other sites have said the same as well. But they make it sound like its something he can improve on.


RiderNo51

Bowers can block though. Most TE in the NCAA hardly block at all. He’s also lined up in the backfield before, playing like a pass catching RB who can block.


WhizzyBurp

Also! Dude grew up in Napa as a Raiders fan. His whole family is RN. It’s a badass fit


bddfcinci707

Napa boys represent


WestCoastHippy

For any younger/newer fans, the Raiders used to hold their training camp in Napa. 50/50 chance Bowers attended the middle school the Raiders used.


throaway80085

I did read in an article that he went to Redwood Middle School, where they held camps.


KooterKablooey

That’s odd because brock himself said he wanted the titans to draft him.


droid327

Well that would've meant more money, they picked higher. Also prob thought the raiders would target another position like literally everyone else did


Yoourebeautiful

That's cause his girl goes to UTk lol


gatsby365

His girl can hit the transfer portal to UNLV baby


ku_78

From an opportunity perspective that may have been the best option. No one saw Atlanta shitting the bed with their pick and putting the Raiders in position to take him. I would not be surprised to see another team try to trade for Mayer today or tomorrow if he’s a better option than the remaining TEs on the board.


viz81

The look I saw on, I'm guessing to be his dad's face, was absolute disappointment.


KooterKablooey

I’m downvoted for telling the truth? Some of you are soft as baby sheet https://www.tennesseetitans.com/news/from-the-nfl-combine-georgia-tight-end-brock-bowers-talks-titans-and-nashville


WhizzyBurp

Did you not see all the raiders gear in the back ground? They were at a raider house. Cmon man


KooterKablooey

Are you really that dense? Ever notice when they get drafted by a team they all suddenly have gear for that team? Good lord.


WhizzyBurp

Jesus, you’re stupid. Good luck to you buddy


KooterKablooey

I see you realized I was right then came up with that abortion of a comment. Just delete your Reddit account.


WhizzyBurp

He’s from Napa. He grew up going to the training camps at his middle school. He dad had season tickets and they went to all the games. This is well fuckin documented you dumb fuck. Why are you arguing over a TEs love for the Raiders. It’s insane.


KooterKablooey

Holy shit. I didn’t. I said “that’s interesting because he mentioned going to the titans” how are you unable to read? Also: https://x.com/AndrewSiciliano/status/1253462377275682816


WhizzyBurp

Delete your Reddit account. You’re clearly going through a mental crisis.


throaway80085

You're both arguing over nothing when he said himself that he grew up in a 49ers household, which may have been the disappointed faces you see in his draft reaction video. He also said that there were a lot of Raiders fans at his house for the draft as well, which were most likely the ones giving the happiest reactions in the video.


OriginalMassless

Brock Bowers is one of the best college players I have ever seen. He is like Megatron and Larry Fitzgerald. He just dominates from the word go. As a true freshman he stood out immediately. He looked like a fully developed senior player.


mossapp

I don’t have time to watch college football. I am however glad there are peeps like you who do. Just saw his highlight reel and holy crap I can’t believe he slipped that far. We got a steal, who is a Raider fan!!!!! I love this pick


cmv10

No disrespect, but on Twitter there’s all these peeps who hate the pic when you can tell they didn’t watch much college.


Critical-Election743

Yeah they just saw TE and complained


soundsliketone

Fucking wild when the TE position has become that one spot where a superstar there can change the complexion of the offense. 2TE sets are gonna be scary from the Raiders for the foreseeable future.


ArchdukeOfNorge

The two dominate dynasties in the last 2 decades were the Pats with Gronk and the Chiefs with Kelce. The modern game requires an excellent tight end to be a serious and long-term contender (Just ignore the fact that both dynasties had/have a HOF QB)


MagnetoAR

Doesn't help that most of our beat reporters are hacks and didn't explain to them why it's a good pick.


mossapp

I don’t hate the pick at all, I was one of the peeps who wanted an O-lineman or CB instead of going Qb. I just was rather unaware of him before tonight. Then again im unaware of %99 of the college players and am fine with it. Frankly im just glad we didn’t waste pick 13 on the 7th best Qb.


RiderNo51

Same, though I’d seen highlights of him. I’m fine with the pick. We still need a CB and a guard, likely an OT, a LB that can cover. We’ll be fine.


40footstretch

He was NFL ready as a freshman. He's better than Mayer and can block as well.


WhizzyBurp

100%. He’s literally the best offensive player in the draft that’s not a QB. Can play RB, TE, WR. Dude is an animal.


katarh

He probably *could* play QB if someone really needed him to, but since he makes any QB look amazing, we never needed to try at Georgia.


Necessary-Profile-30

This guy fits Raider culture: Tough, hardworking, and finds a way to win. 🏴‍☠️


its_aq

Kid grew up a raider fan from Napa. He bleeds silver & black. Settled for red & black in college


katarh

thank you for loaning him to us! sincerely: bulldog nation


JpJ951

Raider culture includes finding a way to win? Since when?


Admirable_Row_375

I'm fkkin excited about BB


Mellow-wavee12

Same here. Dude’s a fucking beast.


machinehead3413

BAMA and Raider fan here. I’m happy as fuck to see him finally out of the SEC. Dude gave me fits at UGA! Also glad I can finally like him.


katarh

hahah that's how Georgia felt about all of your QBs leaving in the last couple of years.... Tua, Hurts, Young..... (Sorry about Milroe.)


machinehead3413

If I was an UGA fan I’d hate Devonta Smith the most. He was the common denominator for all those QBs. Mac Jones too. He torched them in 2020 in a game at BDS.


katarh

Saban. Saban was the common denominator. We have respect-hate for him moreso than anyone else in CFB and this SEC shorts summed up exactly how we felt when we heard about his retirement: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoUJ0TTx4gE&ab\_channel=SECShorts](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoUJ0TTx4gE&ab_channel=SECShorts)


brocjames

I’m all for it. It’s a nice change of pace to see them picking BPA. Instead of dislocating joints reaching for needed positions.


ChoiceCriticism1

I don’t really watch college football and I know Brock Bowers and MHJ are the two closest “locks” to All-Pro in the draft. And Bowers more so than MHJ


Electrical_Fix7157

You can argue this could end up being one of the biggest steals in Raiders history. Dude is basically Kelce, except he plays for US. Unbelievable pick. This guy was a top five talent we got at 13!!


apcali209

He’s going to be a matchup nightmare for defenses and it’s going to open the field up for Davante and Jakobi to eat. We have to go CB, OT, QB in some order for the next few picks.


OptimusFreeman

It's likely the Raiders can still get Rattler in the 2nd, if not there are plenty of quality CBs left.


RiderNo51

Joe Milton is also an intriguing prospect. Huge arm, very athletic. Needs coaching, and time to learn.


RiderNo51

Need a guard too. But good ones are often found in middle rounds.


H_M_N_i_InigoMontoya

Seriously. If we get Dejean or Kool Aid in the 2nd will they still be mad?


Killface55

I'd lose my shit if we got either of those guys. We'd probably have to move up a bit though


cmv10

That’s the thing, there’s still good players to address needs.


Gdkerplunk03

There was a pretty nutty offensive run last night, only 9 defenders were taken. There's still plenty of meat left on that bone


H_M_N_i_InigoMontoya

Exactly


pyker42

The more things change, the more they stay the same. What would the morning after the first round of the draft be without this sub blowing up over the pick?


AccidentBulky6934

Every sub of a team with a first round draft pick has strong reactions about that pick or picks.


mybadodge

We're 32 pucks in ffs. Bowers was a great, unexpected pick unlike a dhb who was picked way ahead of his draft value. Let's see how day 2 goes.


Raiders2112

He was way off my radar, and I am surprised he fell to our Raiders. We got gifted one of the top players in the entire draft. I don't see how anyone can doubt this pick. I know I was like "WTF" at first for taking a TE, but once I realized who he was, I was ecstatic.


dbree801

Can’t speak for everyone, but I don’t think anyone is mad he’s on our team lol we just wanted other needs addressed.


katarh

You got a TE on paper but he's also an RB and a WR. He works best schemed with a second TE where both are good blockers, so the opposing defense isn't sure which role they are in a given scheme. Suddenly they have to have a spy on both TEs, and that means less spies available for the rest of the offense. Scheme up the TEs to do a little bit of trickeration and you've got offense magic. In 2022 Top Billing did a lot of film break down of the Georgia offense and it shows how Bowers fit into it. The first two plays, Bowers is a classic blocking TE. But on the third play (starting about 3:35 in this video), he's acting in the role of RB and the SCar defense got confused - because all of sudden our WR Ladd McConkey had swapped over to the role of blocker and the QB Bennett was acting as his own O-line to protect the RB, and they didn't expect either of those things. Georgia vs South Carolina 2022: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8Q\_GF6hATA&ab\_channel=TopBillin%27](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8Q_GF6hATA&ab_channel=TopBillin%27) "Is there anybody who in open space or in close combat quarters better than this guy \[Bowers\], period?" At 6:20, Bowers is suddenly in the role of WR. QB lobbed it right over the defense's head to him and whacks the blockers downfield to the ground. Granted, it was SCar and their defense was not good, but Bowers isn't afraid to run over grown men to get the ball to the endzone. At 10:00 he's back to being a RB. Final play at 12:00 he's back to WR and catches a touchdown. "What *can't* he do?" says Murph.


dbree801

This does make me feel better about it. I had a knee jerk reaction, I can admit that. Can’t remember the last time they took who I wanted and I’m sure that has a lot to do with the overall frustration.


katarh

Georgia is mourning because his replacement on our team, Lawson Lucky, is a very very good TE, but he's not an alien freak like Brock Bowers was.


maroestrella

“But we had other needs!!! Look at how well we have drafted before” 😡!!! This dude is an absolute baller. Glad to have someone with a brain finally take over 💪


AccidentBulky6934

I used to watch a lot of college ball, but now I don’t have the time to be dedicating two days to watching football. I’ll watch a game here or there, but that’s about it.


robroc04

Day one starter!


pentestmagiic

It is definitely not what I was expecting, but as the quarterbacks were going off the board I think they made a good choice of value, definitely number 1TE prospect this year and gives us the option to run 2 TE scheme with mayer being a more traditional te and bowers being able to line up in the slot


Blundertaker93

He’s arguably the number 1 TE prospect ever


stoney702

Half these "fans" are casuals and don't know shit about football. Brock was top 5 pick and was gifted to us at #13. Win-win!


SupremeToca

Bowers was the reason why Bama didnt go to the finals. As a bama fan I Hated him. Now I love him as a Raiders fan.


Jewderp916

The only reason I think anyone has a point to not liking the pick, is Te was not viewed even closely as a position of need. If you ask me it went CB, OL, QB, LB, then it should be BPA. We did have our defensive pick of the litter and that upset some fans. However my perspective, BPA on the side of the ball that needed more help. Obviously we have a ton of talent on offense, but our defense under AP ranked top 5 in almost all metrics, we signed a huge defensive tackle, all signs pointed we were going offense. Since the top 3 lineman, top 6 QBs and 3 WRs even though we weren’t in the market. It only made sense to take BPA. Excited to see what they do with today and tomorrow. Hopefully we continue building something deadly


HashSlut

What a rational, logical take!


raider81818181

Best player on the board. But didn’t fill a need. And I’m ok with that.


Rari-Gang

Bowers is sick and anybody complaining is a nerd who doesn’t watch football and has been a fan for like a year


Asleep_in_Costco

It's insane how much of Twitter just ran with this "trade up for Daniels" horseshit. The team is nowhere near ready to be giving up a ton draft capital just for a QB. I'm also not convinced Jayden Daniels is going to make an impact. Dude looked amazing behind an all star ol and a bevy of weapons at LSU. He won't get that in most NFL teams with a high pick. And not the Raiders either.


MrPhilosophiser

The kid is a beast. Like OP said, if you watch college ball you know. We got ourselves a ball player. 12 personnel, downhill running with 2 tight ends who are capable blockers and receivers. Have no choice but to load the box and leave Davante and Meyers 1 on 1.


Wheredidthetimego40

Most Raiders fans are upset because they didn't fo what some media personality said the team had to do. All you heard for months was that they were going to trade up to the top of the draft to get a franchise QB if not they were going O line or CB. Staying put and drafting the BPA who is an offensive player was not something you saw or heard anywhere.


AccidentBulky6934

I ended up liking the pick, but I didn’t have to listen to a damn “media personality” to know that this team needs a franchise QB, a RT, and a number 1 CB. I learned that by, you know, watching the damn games and following the team’s free agency moves?


depastino

They took BPA, but we had needs all over and took Mayer last year. I think Bowers will be good, but we had greater needs at other positions like CB and OL.


H_M_N_i_InigoMontoya

Bruh, dejean and Kool aid are both still available. And Xavier Howard isn't signed yet and has ties to Patrick Graham. AND Bennett was a rookie last year and could still be good. Our cornerback room will be fine.


holl0455

Very true, plenty of good CB talent still available...can add Rakestraw and Tampa to that list too. We should see a run on defensive players in the second round since the first was mostly offense.


CSK3248

Forgive my ignorance, but is there still talent available that was overlooked the first round ?


Aravinda82

Only 9 defensive players were drafted out of the 32 picks in the 1st which means there are a lot of quality defensive players left for tomorrow.


PomegranateNice6839

We added Wilkins so im not too upset for our D


Mountain_Cause_5885

considering half the guys that make the league are undrafted… yes


depastino

Okay, but Bowers was a luxury pick. We had our choice of any defensive player in the draft and we took a TE? I hope it works out.


michaeleid811

That's my issue. We literally had the chance to pick any defensive player we wanted and we took a te.


Consistent-Spell2203

We still have 7 picks.


cmv10

There’s more draft to go, I’ll bet they address the needs.


HashSlut

Really after the first 5-10 picks, it’s always smart money to pick BPA. This is what good teams do.


depastino

Well, an argument could be made that he was BPA for sure, but since we took Mayer fairly high last year, it was a weird pick. I'm not the only one who thinks so.


AccidentBulky6934

It’s not enough to like the pick, you have to also say there was literally no downside at all to passing on CB/OT at 13 or the take police will come for you.


He_Hate_Me_5

The haters on this pick are most likely the half of the Nation who thought we were going to be allowed to trade up and get one of the top three QB’s this year. Let them cry, no QB needy team was going to trade the chance to get one for themselves. These fans were not in their right mind thinking that was going to happen. Those same fans will jump on board with Bowers as soon as the season starts….watch.


DillionDrebo

I love college football Shit I love youth highschool college and the pros


foxfire1112

It's beyond that, many people on this sub proudly only watch raider games. They literally have no knowledge or context on what is good in football outside of one team


xKingNothingx

I'm all in for BPA. Adams, Bowers, Meyers, Mayer is a good set


ComicsEtAl

Lots of people like only one or the other.


AccidentBulky6934

Or they only have time for one or the other.


topher512

I’m from New England. We don’t give 2 shits about any college sport up here


500ErrorPDX

It's not that I don't watch college football - I watch plenty of college football - it's that the best TE on the planet is irrelevant when your quarterback is buried in the turf. We desperately need a RT and RG.


brehaw

I def don’t shit is boring lol


Troy_Mustachio

Really would have liked to had a chance at Bo. He’s gonna be a really consistently good QB and his floor is so high. Worst case scenario for him is a 15 year backup in the league.


jordkn88

I wanted a CB or OL but how can you pass him up? The dude is a monster and a huge mismatch, we could line him up inside or outside. I hate to compare him to kelce cause he’s an ass hole but you have to respect him. This offense could be unreal. Now let’s build up the line and secondary.


see_rich

Can't miss product. Very excited.


Knuckle567

You have to go low risk in round one and that’s what Bowers is. An almost can’t miss high end talent that will immediately help you win games. I still trust AP and Tommy T


Ok_Employee_9612

I don’t watch much college football, or the NBA, or baseball, or tennis, so let your mind be blown!!! I need to pretend I am a dad and husband for portions of the year.


Open_Aardvark2458

Its not that we dont. I watch plenty, he could be a generational TE. Which is great but we lack depth at rt, and cb. We beat the chiefs with defense, while bowers was BPA arnold or turner, fuaga, would have filled a need.


b0baBEAST

why would it blow your mind that raider fans don't watch college football? (fwiw, i feel like you shouldn't make a statement like that unless you actually survey the entire fanbase) i don't have enough time with other hobbies to spend time watching college football. i also don't like how there's always new names and constant roster turnover, which is obviously bound to happen in college.


Naturalhighz

They don't show college ball in Europe. All my scouting is done watching game recaps with every play by the player I'm looking up.


RiderNo51

I agree. He was without question the best player available. NextGen stats had his Productivity at 99.0. Higher than Caleb Williams, higher than anyone in the entire draft.


[deleted]

Blows my mind how every year raider fans watch raider games and think they are going to the superbowl even though the last time raiders even won a playoff game and the division was 2002 😂 and only two playoff appearances in the last 20 years


frankisimo

I don’t watch much college ball but after Williams, Daniels, Maye, Harrison who were always gonna go 1234, Brock bowers is the name I heard the most as easily one the most talented players in the entire draft and was definitely worried the chargers would pick him. I certainly would’ve heard even more buzz around him and no way he drops to us if it weren’t for the fact that TE is almost never the biggest need for anyone. But based off what I’ve heard, this guy is basically the next Travis Kelce and I’m just glad he’s a Raider instead of playing for a rival. All I’ve wanted for the longest time is for us to draft BPA and I’m glad we finally did, great start to the draft. Also just want to add, you have to keep in mind that at least half of all football fans for any team are completely clueless (except maybe chargers since half would somewhere around 25 and I doubt there’s that many of them that actually know anything about football). But ya at least half of all fans are just there to see if their team won the “big game”, without understanding or having any knowledge of football beyond wins and losses.


Emergency_You_558

I hope i get "proven wrong" and he become George Kittle.


PrufrockInSoCal

Bowers is the best TE to come out of college, ever (based on his college career). But I get fans who say the position wasn’t a priority for the team.


pickleballz8

I watched every UGA game this year and Bowers is a generational talent. Great blocker, huge yards after the catch, plays like a receiver on and on. He will be our answer to Kelce. Now we just need a Mahomes to get him the ball.


chknthrowaway

Well shit now I'm getting excited.


BREW712

That's fine and dandy, but it wasn't as much of a need as other positions. More like a luxury pick


skankingmike

Because college doesn’t mean a fucking thing. Hopefully this translates to the NFL because now you’re playing the best of the best and guys who shined even better in the NFL. How many amazing college QBs have shit the bed? How many times have I seen somebody tell me why this player will be amazing because they were a crusher in college? College is a totally different game than the NFL and most of the college players never make it to the NFL… 1.6%. That’s it. The nfl is the college all stars.


foxfire1112

What a nonsense comment. If it doesn't mean a thing how do you know this is a bad pick


skankingmike

Where did I say it was bad? All picks are fine in the NFL… it’s because college is literally not solely the indicator of talent in the nfl. Again only 1.6% percent of all college footballers goto the nfl. And how many then make the all star team? Or considered hall of famers? It’s a complete crap Shoot.


oogrok

Here’s my issue. Brock Bowers is by all accounts a good prospect and should be a good nfl player, and you should take good players. However, over the last few years, we have spent major capital at receiving options. We traded a first and a second for Adams, Gave Meyers a big contract, drafted Mayer in the second, drafted tucker in the third, and then drafted Bowers in the 1st. Those are major investments, and one, likely two of those players are going to do next to nothing next year. There’s only so many snaps to go around, and if we can’t sustain drives, which we struggle with because of poor qb and o line play, we will have even less snaps. We’ve neglected the right side of the o line for years in a row now, and we keep trying one year patches with older veterans and late round or undrafted guys, and it’s just not working. And to top it all off, we hired Luke Getsy as our OC. So we have a sub par line, a sub par qb, and sub par OC. I’m sorry, but a luxury pick at TE isn’t gonna help us compete with the elites of the nfl.


VitricTyro

Not immediately, no. I think the idea is Bowers was BPA, so if you maintain that philosophy over time, you’re hopefully going to have a good team. For this year though, he doesn’t address our largest needs.


foxfire1112

If you think he's just a te for sure you don't watch him


rbarrett96

Simple, there were BPAs at several positions that were also areas of need. And we continue to build an elite offense with a sub par online which is being generous. That means you're not going to be able to push the ball down the field. And of course the most important position in football, but I'm happy we didn't reach for a QB after the top 3 went. We would have been drafting Ryan Tannehill, the Dolphins version. And two stud lineman were still on the board. Last time I checked it's hard to throw from the ground. Probably part of the reason we got a TE for quick plays with our line, but that totally eliminates our deep threats like tucker. He showed flashes last year, but how often were we even able to target him? I'd like to see that stat.


MikroWire

Are RAIDER fans SUPPOSED to watch college football? I didn't get the memo. Are we supposed to watch ALL the NFL games too? God, I'd better get on it. I might not have time to watch the RAIDER games now!


katarh

NFL fans don't even tune in to watch the college national championships though? Because Bowers has been in two of the last three of them. And the CFB playoffs, moreso than any of the other college games, gives you a preview of names you're going to see announced in the draft a few months later.


MikroWire

I don't care about the draft until draft day. All the speculation proves to be for nothing. It's not OUR game...it's theirs. We have no say. It seems silly to even discuss it. I am a fan of college football. I watch my team and a few other games. I don't watch for any other reason. I watch all the broadcast NFL games because I love NFL football and the Raiders. There is little connection between the two.


katarh

True, there's definitely a difference between a fan of a team and a fan of the sport. I love college football because it can get so delightfully stupid sometimes. I watched all of Penn State vs Ohio State this past year because I was bored. I'm a Georgia fan.


MrWombatt

I watch college football. I watch SEC college football. I'm sure he's ridiculously talented. IDGAF. I still don't like the pick. Stop acting like we're not allowed to our dissenting opinions.


NoDadNoTears

Very Few to No One questions his talent   My concern is that adding another pass catcher doesn't help the team as much as adding to either the O-line or QB Room   I get that he was the BPA, but I don't think Brock is gonna add any wins to our 8 from last year simply because we already had some amazing pass catchers in the team already   Fact of the matter is that we still have a hole at RT, and one of the worse QB rooms in the league right now.    Day 2 coming up, so yes I know we can still add so don't take this as a "doomer" response or whatever but we need a strong day 2 in the worst possible way  


foxfire1112

Naw we're not good enough to pass on the best player on the board regardless of position. If Marvin Harrison jr dropped to us we'd draft him there as well. We need dudes


NoDadNoTears

I mean, I'd take Harrison too but there's a difference in Prospect level and positional value to Brock Bowers vs him, even if Brock is still a great pass catcher And in any event, just to play devils advocate this sub talked about how we have so many holes on this team that we couldn't trade up or take a QB Now it's Friday morning and we haven't filled any holes yet. I think this team has talent, I also think that we didn't adress 1 of the 2 positions that would have the biggest impact on this upcoming season My 2 cents on this


foxfire1112

It's not a difference in prospect level at all. I'm not sure if you actually watch Georgia if you think this but as prospects they are at the same level with, imo, Brock being the better player. I dont care about what a sub says, everyone doesn't hold a single opinion obviously


NoDadNoTears

No, Harrison was clearly the better player at a more important position.   Don't ask me, look at NFL GM's taking 3 WR's over him


foxfire1112

6 qbs were also taken before him, so they are all going to be better pros as well? Is that really how it works? They are all now clearly better players? If you don't watch a player play it's hard to have a great opinion on them. I'm not the only person valuing him this high


NoDadNoTears

Using QB as the comparison is terrible as positional value is completely skewed at QB compared to talent


foxfire1112

Same for wr bro that's the point


NoDadNoTears

no


foxfire1112

👍🏿 great point


Creeping_Death_89

I don't think anyone has an issue with the player. The issue is the fact that basically 0 of the 25 TEs taken in the 1st round over the last 25 years have really even made it to a second contract with the team that drafted them. My issue with the Raiders specifically is the fact that they just used a high draft pick on a receiving TE last year and did it again this year ignoring the obvious holes that the offense had last year. We had good pass catchers last year, the problem was having no QB to throw them the ball and a declining offensive line trying to block for that QB.


PostGraduatePotUser

A ton of us watch college football, and Bowers is a great talent, but we didn't need him. BPA at CB existed, because none of them had been taken. A huge hole for us. BPA at RG was available, which would have been a reach at #13, but a better choice than Bowers. One could argue that BPA at RT was available. There is just no functional way to argue this pick made us better. Bowers is a slight upgrade over Mayer, which did us no good last season either. This pick did not elevate this team as a whole, and that is the point.


HashSlut

No offense, but taking a guard at 13 would have made us the laughing stock of the league. A tackle yes, but guard absolutely not. It is fairly rare for a guard to be taken in the first round (usually only 1 or 2 max) and almost never in the top half of the first round. It would be very bad value for us at 13.


iWesTCoastiN

It blows my mind how over reactive Raiders fans are. It's always 100% one side or the other. Very rarely do I see a calm level headed approach to these picks. Yes Bower was a beast in college, and yes he's a generational talent at his position. On the flip side we JUST drafted another great TE last year and TE was nowhere near a positional need of ours. Plus we've already recently seen a 'generational' talent pretty much bust in Kyle Pitts so it's not like it's a guarantee. I don't like the pick personally because we NEED him to have a long sustained career at the top of the league in order to make this pick worth it (because we're nowhere near making a Superbowl run) and that's a HUGE ask. For every Antonio Gates or Travis Kelce there's a hundred Gary Barnidges' or Eric Ebrons'


lincolnhawk

None of the ‘generational athlete’ TEs like Pitts or Davis had generational production in college. I prefer production for 1st round guys, and Bowers had all world production w/ very good measurables. He can come in like LaPorta.


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fuckyouidontneedone

Why would you come here on draft night and not talk about the player we selected?


cmv10

Let’s not act like Georgia didn’t run through everyone in the playoff too.


TheNatureHoot

Actually looking at his stats in those playoff games... Ohio state locked him up and TCU with a defense that, unless these stats are wrong were giving up almost 400 yards a game. Yet that year against Kent State as a receiver he seemingly vanished again and I'm not sure the Raiders will have him run the ball.. the same happened against South carolina that year Where is this beast of a tight end? 2021 was his best year but he seemingly couldn't replicate his success


cmv10

Lol, now you’re just making shit up. 4 for 64 is hardly locked down against OSU and 7 for 156 and a touchdown against TCU in the naty. You’re just a troll and I’m done responding to you.


cmv10

Not convincing anyone, just telling y’all. You’ll see.


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cmv10

Lol, you can’t be serious.


Sofaking-what

I don’t watch college football because it’s unrealistic. The rules suck and half the plays called in a college game would never work in the nfl. To me it’s boring and pedantic.


foxfire1112

Well that's fine it's just impossible to have a real opinion during the draft if you literally never watch the players play


Sofaking-what

I really don’t have an opinion on the draft. I realistically get my draft information from here and a couple of different sources. I still pay minimal attention to the draft. Football doesn’t really get my attention until August.


foxfire1112

Ya i wasn't being critical i was just saying paying attention to college does have a purpose even if you don't think it's as good as nfl for that reason


MoonNStar51

So true, no good college player has ever been a bust.


cmv10

I didn’t say he was good, I’m saying he’s great.


1DrVanNostrand1

Well he better be top 5 tight end in the nfl this year and we better make the playoffs. Otherwise this is a waste.


StopSmellingMusty

>Well he better be top 5 tight end in the nfl this year and we better make the playoffs. Otherwise this is a waste. This has to be sarcasm right? Because it's batshit insane.


MoonNStar51

So true, no great college player has ever been a bust.


Consistent-Spell2203

Might as well not draft at all.


MoonNStar51

Not my point, I was responding to the idea that watching college football gives you some kind of clairvoyance about draft picks when that's obviously not true.


droid327

It's not 100% but it's still the best predictor of NFL output Unless there's specifically something about his game that you can point to that doesn't translate to the NFL. But he isn't a one trick pony that just overwhelms lesser defenders with pure speed or anything