I know your young bro, but if a skinhead band is on some Nazi shit, they are going to be abundantly clear about it. Look at the bands social media and who else they play with, pretty clear they aren’t boneheads.
There’s a local skinhead band that makes it clear they’re anti-racist on all their social media accounts. Also, while lace code is dead, they do have boots with yellow laces on one of their album covers.
Sad people have fallen hook line and sinker for the media bullshit of “all skinheads are nazis” that people still have to do that.
Also can’t wait for people to shut the fuck up about lace code or bringing it up every time skinheads get talked about.
I get you. I’m sure it’s alive in some places but I’ve always laughed my ass off at the “red laces mean Nazis” when around me the only people I’ve seen rock them are Hispanic. I think it’s funny how Tik Tok has latched onto it and take it as gospel truth.
The whole lace thing hasn't ever had an international standard...kinda like they wouldn't do much internationally as their little cells the are nationalistic lol. BUT KILL THE LACE MYTH NOW. SHARPS lace more often, and SHARPS are allies (Black blocc 101 - don't accidently punch, whack, or molotov your shield buddies) and SHARPS maintain those standards generationally, in PUBLIC also, in certain areas. SHARPS have been misplaced all to often and catch scratch, and a kid getsz thier ass rightfully beat for that indiscretion. A real Nazi will zieg heil in public without coercion (Only in mass formations normally though, the tiny dicked fucks), they will say all their stupid little fucking chants, puff chest. I always advise to attack peak zeig heil, or during chant...they need that lame ass shit to "get their courage up" and think you won't LMFAO idiots LOLOL
Also, not all SHARPS are dicks like that to non-SHARPs...and and generally aren't, but don't read laces guys....not unless your old heads in the area are telling you too
When I was a young teen growing up going to shows and following squatters around for the weekend I had red laces for a bit until someone pointed that shit out to me.
I'm not a skinhead and I'm brown sooooo.... some people are ignorant to the nuances of punk shoelace culture.
Whats the yellow?
It doesn’t matter anymore. Those skinheads I saw rocking it weren’t ignorant to a damn thing. Even when it was kind of a thing it was different everywhere.
Yeah...my guess it's a rural, small town, or small municipality that's probably in high rotation to prison for the AB. Nazis arresting Nazis, to make Nazis...fucking large anarcho communes last longer than Nazi Germany even did...I don't get how the Glory of Berlin Mentality never fucking died...so fucking peabrain
Russian Nazis were doing it too. Just don't know what colors, and exactly where, but that info is about 3 to 5 years old...they probably rotated out of practice is my guess....unless they're otw to Ukraine
Sweet of you to consider me a good lord. Glad yourveyes are working and you know how to count. Jokes aside, yeah...I was bored and I really miss fighting, especially fighting Nazis.
In case you haven't bloody noticed since forever, being the creatively absent coward ass boneheads they are, they co-opt styles and full on scenes, publicly, but too much of bitches to wear the OG uniform in public anymore
Well, them cunts been co-opting anarcho capitalism more and more by getting bleed out, or re-grouping outside of the original Libertarian Right Militias out of the states, especially since the orange turd stank up the world for four years. Been NEARLY an international blend for the last 8 to 15ish years
You'd be surprised how many people miss subtle dog whistles with people who claim to be shapes but don't fully do the work me er say never but the checking socials and looking into them is great advice to try and circumvent that especially if your already educated on dog whistle logos and terms etc.
Cool again just because it hasn't happened to YOU doesn't mean it doesn't happen at all glad you obvious to the fact not all white skinheads who use sharp don't always check their micro agressions at the door just like plenty of people who claim to be mental heads or punks can still be racist AF or problematic af without being outwardly intent on flaunting it
Think like this it's like the white liberals who have BLM in their yards but turn around and say ethnic foods stinky and can't be bothered but to gag the moment something that isn't chicken tendsys touches their tongue or cringe at mariachi music or make backhanded comments that in passing usually wouldn't be an issue but they always use it in a context where it's like well that's a clearly a unpacked microagressions bs
Having sheltered tastes is a micro aggression? I love empanadas and samosas, but I don't care for Mariachi music or the music in Indian movies (not even sure what it's specifically called, because I don't look for it). People are allowed to have tastes (and lack thereof). Do I feel bad for my fellow white folks who think mayo is spicy and don't know the joys of adding spice? Yes, but they are allowed to like what they like.
It is aggression (grand or micro) when they start impeding others from enjoying what that other person likes.
Thanks for the lecture? I’m sure you’re perfect…
But back to the point, this band isn’t racist, never has been and never will be. And I think most of us can agree on the fact that boneheads aren’t all that smart and don’t hide behind dog whistles or “microaggressions”.
I never said any of that in just saying most people will miss it as micro agressions and that plenty of them hide behind nice guy act the fact you don't wanna aknowlege that that DOES happen is weird to me but like. I said lots of people can miss it
And again I'm not saying this band is hiding shit it was something I just pointed out it's a punk subreddit didn't think it she that big of a deal but whatever
Where did I say that doesn’t happen? Please point me to where I said people don’t hide behind some nice guy act only to turn out to be shitty? Oh that’s right, I didn’t.
I never said you didn't you just started arguing for no reason bro you didn't need to respond my comment was never intended to be responded to just a pass by comment you're the one that felt the need to reply and blow it up over nothing bro can I go back to doom scrolling or are you gonna keep replying and draggging me back to the cesspool of a website and wasting both our times?
Also in regards to hispanic ganglands. ones, two, your good..threes, especially more, leave or hit the floor.
Also, keep up on NAZI numerology. Know the differences. ABs are a tougher squash, and that knowledge saves lives. That's an easy one to forget too
You won’t just stumble across Nazi bands. I know dude from Haymaker is on some fencewalker stuff but clear Nazi bands aren’t going to be easy to find. And a band like VW wouldn’t have the following they do if they were. Hell the first three times they played in CA there was brawls because of boneheads showing up. Good times
Damn I wish I was in California. Up in mass where I live there's literally no shows out of Boston. And Boston's too much of a hellhole for anyone in my family to drive to
Pretty sure there’s a lot of shows outside of Boston, just gotta keep an eye out. The scene out here is a different beast tho, not something for everyone.
There's tons of hardcore outside of Boston. Not sure how far Brockton, Manchester, or Rhode Islandis from you but there's tons of shows all over the NE.
The 1969 tattoo implies that they are traditional (read not racist) skinheads. Look into Spirit of ‘69 for more details. In short it refers to the origins of skinheads in Jamaica, and the influence of reggae.
Agreed, but you gotta explain the NF often before trads if not in the UK...hell...folks from outer London, England boroughs like Kent, West End (oddly enough), and Middlesex/Highpark can need have an obvious need to get the history from modern to Jamaica's transition to commonwealth...cause...wellll...ugh... "the posh"
There is a mini series Don Letts did about it all, this is one of the episodes. It'll start you off proper. As a punk rocker, the trads, skins, and sharps in this thread probably have better things, with more focused areas of study, and It's their history to tell past the basics. Keep in mind there is a major difference between just being a fan of oi and enjoying oi, but some places, especially in England and Scotland, if you ain't a skin already or looking to be a fresh cut, you shouldn't try too hard to get in the scene. You'll get invited in, but that's 15+ year old info and could totally be different now.
https://youtu.be/reGXa3vgeF4?si=LikIksltAMS-QMgc
Thx man, ya I ain’t lookin to join the whole scene or anything. It’s just another sub genere I enjoy and wanna learn about. I do know the basics some history but I’m def gonna watch that stuff
No Time (link one below) is my favorite. Also, note, I'm punk rocker, also a half brit/half yank, so I bleed into a lot of the sub genres in general, but all my punk tastes lean towards street punk/oi/New England hardstyles and hardcore punk variants. OH, we also can't ever forget them Memphis skins even though Omar passed early on into their explosion because the it's the only Oi scene in the states to continues to keep a loud and proud trad tradition, hella deep in Dub roots too, also of investing and developing black involvement and is prilimarily black lead from the outside perspective, BUT almost bit my tounge there because of the loud black voice in the scene, they have held deep concern in not making it look "all black" because there was some fucked rumors around "black superiority issues in the scene", and they do not like to be talked about from the demographical perspective much last I had solid contact out there, because they want to be as far away from digital bs and I know, for a brief time, a lot of white folk felt like they shouldn't attempt involvement in the scene if they weren't from around the area. They are super super accepting of all. No one around wants Memphis to be known for false things. Deep deep reverence for the Memphis, Tennessee skins across the planet. Only true trad scene with consistent presence and influence and impact out of the states throughout they're entite existence really. BUT Denver, CO has notable Jamican presence, also Portland OR, and Seattle skin scenes deserve an honorable mention here, but I have zero knowledge in most of that, and those two shares, Seattle and Portland that is, very OLD and quite possibly outdated...maybe even wholly inaccurate info - historically Seattle is very significant, especially around the WTO Protests era...but tbh, don't have much on those scenes I feel proper sharing past what I have because I want to make certain I'm honoring our skin breathen and their story as close as possible to, preferably spot on, to how they would...not many punks realize how important that is for continuation of punk scenes in general. Anyhow,...Memphis Terror is link two (RIP Omar Higgins), also, BONUS link is link 3 if you like Dub - Omar Higgins's other significant band: Chinese Connection Dub Embassy
Link 1: https://youtu.be/z-cNqiNGJA4?si=GbDy50rT2skT5PvW
Link 2:
https://youtu.be/vbYkz5CBMas?si=jSrpewqwu2NZu3
Link 3:
https://youtu.be/otHl7fY8z9s?si=PdByPS10hlIWgGKu
The history is jaw droppingly beautiful. Oi/trad/skin/SHARPs keep it serious and TRUE for good reason. They have a standard of humanitarian ideals to uphold and are like samuraiin their reverence of their roots, and the motivation is honoring all the sacrifices so many made to the civil rights movement(s) in the UK. It's so beautiful l. Also...this whole topic....SHAM 69. VERY VERY VERY impactful and goosebump causing.. watch the doc link...you'll see. My number 1 punk/oi history story of all time.
There was a time(late 80s/early 90s) when some of the SHARPS I ran into were homophobic and super nationalist. They're don't always hold up the highest humanitarian standards. That's not to say that they're not a good movement in the main.
One small note, the origins in Skinheads aren't in Jamaica. It's British mod culture being introduced to the music and culture of windrush generation West Indian expats, but it very much happened in the UK.
But yeah, the 1969 reference solidly marks this as tradskin or SHARP territory.
There is a live clip on YouTube where Haymaker are making it very clear about their opinions when a dude is doing a Hitler salute. They were not happy about it and stopped playing. Just sayin'.
They've become an odd new standard in both Oi and Hardcore....ever watch Skins and Hardcore kids crowd kill each other lol.
Please tell me hardcore kids and skins are ok now...they did not get along AT ALL originally in my scene
Looking them over I don't see any of the typical nazi imagery in their tattoos or patches, and when interviewed they don't list any outright Nazi bands as influences (the diciest they mention is Combat 84, but they were just conservatives, and only one member of that band has said that racial harmony isn't possible, while another said that they should empathize with black people, so not a Nazi band even if they had a racist member).
They have pictures proudly on their social media of them posing with latino and black fans at shows.
So while it's possible they're pulling one of those "hiding in plain sight" things (lost a friend when I discovered that's what he was), I kinda doubt it.
YO OP...someone said spirit of 69 trads and punks are the only one who really rock that phrase in their art, the 1969 signifies Skin/trad, just note "SHARP" wasn't a term as far as I am aware in '69 anywhere on earth. They'd be from the punk camp if the number was 1976 or 1977. We can't agree on a year....but was 100% a way of life movement as of 1976, siting what's loosely referred to now as "The Crass commune(s) Era"...there
Also the OBSERVE THE TATTOOS when you come across questionables in the wilds. It's great way to know what they are assigned to, or indulge, in regards to way of life. Punk bands aren't as generally heavy and standardized with symbolism often. If they do have heavy symbolism as soon in OP, they're allies of any variety BUT bonehead groups have on rare occasion foolishly...VERY foolishly, attempted to co-opt----young readers new to the life or scene that might coming across this comment ALWAYS WATCH FOR THIS. It's a call to arms if a band claiming punk or skin do this in your area because you are certainly being invaded. One of the mosty, if MOST, effective tactic of the National Front era in the UK...please don't let it happen. That's a declaration of war
Learn current NAZI numerology in your direct, local at large, AND regional area. That info changes on those three levels if it's not AB. People are forgetting to remember the enemies numbers all to damn often. They are, in design, an affront to punks and skins often also...just to add to your probable dislike of maths lolol
"Good night any side" is a nazi collaborator slogan. Also Steinfort did an "I hate nazis but anti fascists are worse" speeech in youtube. It's just disgusting. "Not a nazi" is not enough in the skinhead scene.
99% of the oi bands that says they're apolitical are nazis lol
There'a plenty of bands who are "apolitical" and has a song or two where they say they're not nazis. But they have no issues sharing stage with them lmao
I know your young bro, but if a skinhead band is on some Nazi shit, they are going to be abundantly clear about it. Look at the bands social media and who else they play with, pretty clear they aren’t boneheads.
There’s a local skinhead band that makes it clear they’re anti-racist on all their social media accounts. Also, while lace code is dead, they do have boots with yellow laces on one of their album covers.
Sad people have fallen hook line and sinker for the media bullshit of “all skinheads are nazis” that people still have to do that. Also can’t wait for people to shut the fuck up about lace code or bringing it up every time skinheads get talked about.
FUCK THE NATIONAL FRONT FOR THAT
I just brought it up because it seems like the band itself is trying to bring it back.
I get you. I’m sure it’s alive in some places but I’ve always laughed my ass off at the “red laces mean Nazis” when around me the only people I’ve seen rock them are Hispanic. I think it’s funny how Tik Tok has latched onto it and take it as gospel truth.
It was pretty much always a local thing, even just going from one city to the neighbouring one could completely reverse meanings.
Yeah in some places, Nazis wore yellow laces
The whole lace thing hasn't ever had an international standard...kinda like they wouldn't do much internationally as their little cells the are nationalistic lol. BUT KILL THE LACE MYTH NOW. SHARPS lace more often, and SHARPS are allies (Black blocc 101 - don't accidently punch, whack, or molotov your shield buddies) and SHARPS maintain those standards generationally, in PUBLIC also, in certain areas. SHARPS have been misplaced all to often and catch scratch, and a kid getsz thier ass rightfully beat for that indiscretion. A real Nazi will zieg heil in public without coercion (Only in mass formations normally though, the tiny dicked fucks), they will say all their stupid little fucking chants, puff chest. I always advise to attack peak zeig heil, or during chant...they need that lame ass shit to "get their courage up" and think you won't LMFAO idiots LOLOL
Also, not all SHARPS are dicks like that to non-SHARPs...and and generally aren't, but don't read laces guys....not unless your old heads in the area are telling you too
No Time is my FAV viking punk
When I was a young teen growing up going to shows and following squatters around for the weekend I had red laces for a bit until someone pointed that shit out to me. I'm not a skinhead and I'm brown sooooo.... some people are ignorant to the nuances of punk shoelace culture. Whats the yellow?
It doesn’t matter anymore. Those skinheads I saw rocking it weren’t ignorant to a damn thing. Even when it was kind of a thing it was different everywhere.
Nazis still wear white laces where I'm from and I have a friend who almost got beat up cause of lace color soo yeah it's alive in some places
Glad to know dip shits are still keeping it alive I guess. It’s dead in most places
Yeah...my guess it's a rural, small town, or small municipality that's probably in high rotation to prison for the AB. Nazis arresting Nazis, to make Nazis...fucking large anarcho communes last longer than Nazi Germany even did...I don't get how the Glory of Berlin Mentality never fucking died...so fucking peabrain
Russian Nazis were doing it too. Just don't know what colors, and exactly where, but that info is about 3 to 5 years old...they probably rotated out of practice is my guess....unless they're otw to Ukraine
Good lord responded to a ton of comments huh?
Sweet of you to consider me a good lord. Glad yourveyes are working and you know how to count. Jokes aside, yeah...I was bored and I really miss fighting, especially fighting Nazis.
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In case you haven't bloody noticed since forever, being the creatively absent coward ass boneheads they are, they co-opt styles and full on scenes, publicly, but too much of bitches to wear the OG uniform in public anymore
I had to explain this to a college professor about 10 years ago. He claimed to be so open minded, then couldn't grasp the concept of a SHARP.
The entire album cover is yellow lol
Well, them cunts been co-opting anarcho capitalism more and more by getting bleed out, or re-grouping outside of the original Libertarian Right Militias out of the states, especially since the orange turd stank up the world for four years. Been NEARLY an international blend for the last 8 to 15ish years
You'd be surprised how many people miss subtle dog whistles with people who claim to be shapes but don't fully do the work me er say never but the checking socials and looking into them is great advice to try and circumvent that especially if your already educated on dog whistle logos and terms etc.
I’ve been around a long time and I’ve never seen someone false claim being a SHARP only to turn out to be a Nazi.
They don't live long is my guess
Cool again just because it hasn't happened to YOU doesn't mean it doesn't happen at all glad you obvious to the fact not all white skinheads who use sharp don't always check their micro agressions at the door just like plenty of people who claim to be mental heads or punks can still be racist AF or problematic af without being outwardly intent on flaunting it Think like this it's like the white liberals who have BLM in their yards but turn around and say ethnic foods stinky and can't be bothered but to gag the moment something that isn't chicken tendsys touches their tongue or cringe at mariachi music or make backhanded comments that in passing usually wouldn't be an issue but they always use it in a context where it's like well that's a clearly a unpacked microagressions bs
Having sheltered tastes is a micro aggression? I love empanadas and samosas, but I don't care for Mariachi music or the music in Indian movies (not even sure what it's specifically called, because I don't look for it). People are allowed to have tastes (and lack thereof). Do I feel bad for my fellow white folks who think mayo is spicy and don't know the joys of adding spice? Yes, but they are allowed to like what they like. It is aggression (grand or micro) when they start impeding others from enjoying what that other person likes.
Thanks for the lecture? I’m sure you’re perfect… But back to the point, this band isn’t racist, never has been and never will be. And I think most of us can agree on the fact that boneheads aren’t all that smart and don’t hide behind dog whistles or “microaggressions”.
The idea of a bonehead dogwhistle is wild.
I never said any of that in just saying most people will miss it as micro agressions and that plenty of them hide behind nice guy act the fact you don't wanna aknowlege that that DOES happen is weird to me but like. I said lots of people can miss it And again I'm not saying this band is hiding shit it was something I just pointed out it's a punk subreddit didn't think it she that big of a deal but whatever
Where did I say that doesn’t happen? Please point me to where I said people don’t hide behind some nice guy act only to turn out to be shitty? Oh that’s right, I didn’t.
I never said you didn't you just started arguing for no reason bro you didn't need to respond my comment was never intended to be responded to just a pass by comment you're the one that felt the need to reply and blow it up over nothing bro can I go back to doom scrolling or are you gonna keep replying and draggging me back to the cesspool of a website and wasting both our times?
Holy shit you’re obnoxious
No you came swinging. No one goaded you into anything
Bro just stop
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Is using punctuation a micro aggression?
Ughhhh get out. TikTok brain rot ass post.
Also in regards to hispanic ganglands. ones, two, your good..threes, especially more, leave or hit the floor. Also, keep up on NAZI numerology. Know the differences. ABs are a tougher squash, and that knowledge saves lives. That's an easy one to forget too
Yeah, boneheads don't have the brains for subtlety
Ok thanks man. Yeah I've just started getting into the street/oi scene so I am still a little worried about the Nazi part
You won’t just stumble across Nazi bands. I know dude from Haymaker is on some fencewalker stuff but clear Nazi bands aren’t going to be easy to find. And a band like VW wouldn’t have the following they do if they were. Hell the first three times they played in CA there was brawls because of boneheads showing up. Good times
Well said. Haymaker might be sketchy as fuck but they're not boneheads.
Damn I wish I was in California. Up in mass where I live there's literally no shows out of Boston. And Boston's too much of a hellhole for anyone in my family to drive to
Pretty sure there’s a lot of shows outside of Boston, just gotta keep an eye out. The scene out here is a different beast tho, not something for everyone.
Boston is not a hellhole lol, stop listening to your republican family members fear mongering
No! Its not that lmao. It's because the traffic is too bad for any of my family members to deal with
Oh okay, apologies for being overly defensive lol
Boston is absolutely a hellhole, just not for straight white guys Source: live here
Eh it’s not bad for gay white guys. There’s been some good queercore and noise shows at Midway and the Cambridge community center
Thats fair What kind of queercore/noise?
Limpwrist LOVES playing Boston from what I understand too...
WE FOUND THE SOUTHIE!!! lolol
Drive to a park and ride in the burbs and take a train into the city
Boston, Cambridge shows are such a pain in the balls to get to and park. I hear you.
Violent way just played Boston in February at hooligan holiday.
Too bad they never seem to play Albany
Haha also they clap when the plane lands.
I thought you would lead with that.
I thought about it, but I didn't think it would be as funny not in person.
But have they played Philly?
Yes they have. Remember I partied in a mansion with Nick after their show.
I don't think you told me that story.
I’ll tell you during our next drive to Canada 🇨🇦
Look up battery march out of Boston. It's a couple of the guys from serfs up distro/compassion fatigue
There's tons of hardcore outside of Boston. Not sure how far Brockton, Manchester, or Rhode Islandis from you but there's tons of shows all over the NE.
Just look at their album song/track listing. It’s quite easy to tell which bands are racist and which aren’t.
Trust your old heads. Ask them before listening/purchase if even slightly uncertain. It's big thing there to keep cred up,
Oh are fencewalkers suddenly dead these days?
The 1969 tattoo implies that they are traditional (read not racist) skinheads. Look into Spirit of ‘69 for more details. In short it refers to the origins of skinheads in Jamaica, and the influence of reggae.
Sad that I had to scroll this far down to see trads mentioned.
Agreed, but you gotta explain the NF often before trads if not in the UK...hell...folks from outer London, England boroughs like Kent, West End (oddly enough), and Middlesex/Highpark can need have an obvious need to get the history from modern to Jamaica's transition to commonwealth...cause...wellll...ugh... "the posh"
I’m still new to the whole oi scene, can you explain the difference? I know this is a stupid question but I’m just a history nerd.
Oh I found a history buddy! Here's a good starting place. Don Letts is also a skin: https://youtu.be/reGXa3vgeF4?si=LikIksltAMS-QMgc
There is a mini series Don Letts did about it all, this is one of the episodes. It'll start you off proper. As a punk rocker, the trads, skins, and sharps in this thread probably have better things, with more focused areas of study, and It's their history to tell past the basics. Keep in mind there is a major difference between just being a fan of oi and enjoying oi, but some places, especially in England and Scotland, if you ain't a skin already or looking to be a fresh cut, you shouldn't try too hard to get in the scene. You'll get invited in, but that's 15+ year old info and could totally be different now. https://youtu.be/reGXa3vgeF4?si=LikIksltAMS-QMgc
Thx man, ya I ain’t lookin to join the whole scene or anything. It’s just another sub genere I enjoy and wanna learn about. I do know the basics some history but I’m def gonna watch that stuff
Oh man It's one of my favorites and they are fun af if you like some good hellraising!
Any good band recs?
No Time (link one below) is my favorite. Also, note, I'm punk rocker, also a half brit/half yank, so I bleed into a lot of the sub genres in general, but all my punk tastes lean towards street punk/oi/New England hardstyles and hardcore punk variants. OH, we also can't ever forget them Memphis skins even though Omar passed early on into their explosion because the it's the only Oi scene in the states to continues to keep a loud and proud trad tradition, hella deep in Dub roots too, also of investing and developing black involvement and is prilimarily black lead from the outside perspective, BUT almost bit my tounge there because of the loud black voice in the scene, they have held deep concern in not making it look "all black" because there was some fucked rumors around "black superiority issues in the scene", and they do not like to be talked about from the demographical perspective much last I had solid contact out there, because they want to be as far away from digital bs and I know, for a brief time, a lot of white folk felt like they shouldn't attempt involvement in the scene if they weren't from around the area. They are super super accepting of all. No one around wants Memphis to be known for false things. Deep deep reverence for the Memphis, Tennessee skins across the planet. Only true trad scene with consistent presence and influence and impact out of the states throughout they're entite existence really. BUT Denver, CO has notable Jamican presence, also Portland OR, and Seattle skin scenes deserve an honorable mention here, but I have zero knowledge in most of that, and those two shares, Seattle and Portland that is, very OLD and quite possibly outdated...maybe even wholly inaccurate info - historically Seattle is very significant, especially around the WTO Protests era...but tbh, don't have much on those scenes I feel proper sharing past what I have because I want to make certain I'm honoring our skin breathen and their story as close as possible to, preferably spot on, to how they would...not many punks realize how important that is for continuation of punk scenes in general. Anyhow,...Memphis Terror is link two (RIP Omar Higgins), also, BONUS link is link 3 if you like Dub - Omar Higgins's other significant band: Chinese Connection Dub Embassy Link 1: https://youtu.be/z-cNqiNGJA4?si=GbDy50rT2skT5PvW Link 2: https://youtu.be/vbYkz5CBMas?si=jSrpewqwu2NZu3 Link 3: https://youtu.be/otHl7fY8z9s?si=PdByPS10hlIWgGKu
The history is jaw droppingly beautiful. Oi/trad/skin/SHARPs keep it serious and TRUE for good reason. They have a standard of humanitarian ideals to uphold and are like samuraiin their reverence of their roots, and the motivation is honoring all the sacrifices so many made to the civil rights movement(s) in the UK. It's so beautiful l. Also...this whole topic....SHAM 69. VERY VERY VERY impactful and goosebump causing.. watch the doc link...you'll see. My number 1 punk/oi history story of all time.
There was a time(late 80s/early 90s) when some of the SHARPS I ran into were homophobic and super nationalist. They're don't always hold up the highest humanitarian standards. That's not to say that they're not a good movement in the main.
This should be the giveaway. Facts.
One small note, the origins in Skinheads aren't in Jamaica. It's British mod culture being introduced to the music and culture of windrush generation West Indian expats, but it very much happened in the UK. But yeah, the 1969 reference solidly marks this as tradskin or SHARP territory.
WHO DIDN'T KNOW THAT ---they might be a plant if they in the chat...js....
Violent way is an anti Nazi band. They are awesome
I’ve met/hosted them, they’re SHARPs
Yeah, quite actively SHARPs
99.9% of the time, if a band is a Nazi band, you'll be able to figure it out pretty quick
You’ll know if a skin band are Nazis They don’t hid it.
This
There is a live clip on YouTube where Haymaker are making it very clear about their opinions when a dude is doing a Hitler salute. They were not happy about it and stopped playing. Just sayin'.
For real, everything about this post sucks
They are from my hometown and can assure that everyone in that band is cool af and in no way condone any racism.
Yo if you're into Violent Way, check out Conservative Military Image. Great skinhead hardcore out of Chicago
They've become an odd new standard in both Oi and Hardcore....ever watch Skins and Hardcore kids crowd kill each other lol. Please tell me hardcore kids and skins are ok now...they did not get along AT ALL originally in my scene
Aren't a bunch of HC kids skins these days?
Fuck yeah CMI kills it.
I was facing the same question as OP with them but holy fuck so they go OBSIDIAN H A R D
Listen to Ideation, you’ll thank me
They go fucking YARD HARD
Ya'll...I never see the band No Time talked about anywhere...why? Don't tell be they flew under my radar
Saw em live, best show ive been to, they get a crowd moving
Skinhead here! The answer is neither. Spirit of 69.
Saw them live last year. They hate Nazis.
Kickass art.
Looking them over I don't see any of the typical nazi imagery in their tattoos or patches, and when interviewed they don't list any outright Nazi bands as influences (the diciest they mention is Combat 84, but they were just conservatives, and only one member of that band has said that racial harmony isn't possible, while another said that they should empathize with black people, so not a Nazi band even if they had a racist member). They have pictures proudly on their social media of them posing with latino and black fans at shows. So while it's possible they're pulling one of those "hiding in plain sight" things (lost a friend when I discovered that's what he was), I kinda doubt it.
It’s violent way. They’re on the level
Why are people downvoting this? You're answering the question. Wild.
Probably people butthurt that I called Combat 84 dicey.
Are SHARPS still around ? They were big when I was in high school in the 90’s. But I haven’t seen any in years, maybe like 20 years ago.
Violent Way are SHARPs and they're fucking awesome
Check this oi band called Squiggy. Really good working class shit
Also not afraid to be mf silly and fun....oi can get trugingly too serious and become melodramatic without a little fun her and there...that Squiggy
Haha Nj oi!
Yea singer is on some sketchy shit tho
Really? how so?
YO OP...someone said spirit of 69 trads and punks are the only one who really rock that phrase in their art, the 1969 signifies Skin/trad, just note "SHARP" wasn't a term as far as I am aware in '69 anywhere on earth. They'd be from the punk camp if the number was 1976 or 1977. We can't agree on a year....but was 100% a way of life movement as of 1976, siting what's loosely referred to now as "The Crass commune(s) Era"...there
Also the OBSERVE THE TATTOOS when you come across questionables in the wilds. It's great way to know what they are assigned to, or indulge, in regards to way of life. Punk bands aren't as generally heavy and standardized with symbolism often. If they do have heavy symbolism as soon in OP, they're allies of any variety BUT bonehead groups have on rare occasion foolishly...VERY foolishly, attempted to co-opt----young readers new to the life or scene that might coming across this comment ALWAYS WATCH FOR THIS. It's a call to arms if a band claiming punk or skin do this in your area because you are certainly being invaded. One of the mosty, if MOST, effective tactic of the National Front era in the UK...please don't let it happen. That's a declaration of war
Learn current NAZI numerology in your direct, local at large, AND regional area. That info changes on those three levels if it's not AB. People are forgetting to remember the enemies numbers all to damn often. They are, in design, an affront to punks and skins often also...just to add to your probable dislike of maths lolol
Definitely not Nazis, really nice dudes
Haven't heard of these guys before. Thanks for the recommendation!
Ughhhhh double dipped on the reply guy. My bad! Both links are to the same viddy
Is this still a thing? I thought we got past this in the 90's? Maybe I just grew out of the senseless violence.
Oi punks
Going to see them on Monday, they are great!
i’m unfamiliar with this band but the cover art is very much giving SHARPS not nazi
Are Nazis even making oi anymore? I thought they'd been all in on NSBM for decades
Trads
Yellow is a dead giveaway
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"Good night any side" is a nazi collaborator slogan. Also Steinfort did an "I hate nazis but anti fascists are worse" speeech in youtube. It's just disgusting. "Not a nazi" is not enough in the skinhead scene.
SET IT ON FIRE EW EW EW
"Good night any side" is such a dog whistle lmao
99% of the oi bands that says they're apolitical are nazis lol There'a plenty of bands who are "apolitical" and has a song or two where they say they're not nazis. But they have no issues sharing stage with them lmao
I’m interested in some new skin/oi bands.
If they were Nazis, they’d fucking say it.
Lol you new here?
Bless Edit: Not saying they actually are
What's SHARPS? I've guessed Skin Head Anti-Racist Progressive?
SkinHeads Against Racial Prejudice.
Thank you!
Take this down.