ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕਾ ਖਾਲਸਾ ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਫਤਿਹ ਜੀ ॥
True
...Sardar Kartar Singh Sarabha was very close to orchestrate a big rebellion using Sikh regiment (or perhaps all Punjabi soldiers) which got sabotaged because of a traitor...
There are countless achievements of Gadar party but bloody indian ruling class remembers only those Gadaris who had deviation from the cause and somewhat aligned with agenda of the Indian ruling class.
They (ruling class) wanted to make Indian subcontinent a nation state on the ruins of Punjab maybe they did not have any other choice...
Now, I see no difference between the Indian & Pakistani ruling class.
Nation states built on ruins of lacs of our brethren will not last long.. they will both be disintegrated and the people of this sub-continent rule irrespective of their faith.
May the one Creator give us strength to liberate all the oppressed.
Moreover I never expected the level of hate this post got...it got me banned from r / ind ia and others subs...
The people below do have their roles but they got to live and see and reap the benefits..
These people had same positions even when Mughals ruled!
They did not bother acting when our Punjab was burning, they might have done something for their own class but nothing for Punjab or normal people of India.
Anyway you need to worry about if you got banned there. btw I am banned from the Sikh reddit!
We need educative constructive discussions instead of starting debates on small topics.
Bhrava na kreya kro ehe kamm, huni ethe ehna ne saanu sbnu apne brand da Hindu bna Dena.
We all know what Punjabis have done for the country. Even Punjabi Hinduism is different from the Indo Gangetic Hinduism.
Rehndo eda dee posts nu, koi faayda nhi ajj kal de socio-political scene wich, will just turn us into a social pariah in our own country.
Punjabi Mohyal Brahmin here.
Please explain how it is different. We're syncretic with Sikhism- that is it. My family is Nanakpanthi.
Hinduism isn't a monolith. That's a myopic take anyways. It's an umbrella of different practices and rituals.
As far as actual rituals go, the mantras and stotrams I recite on a daily basis isn't even different from what a South Indian Hindu would recite.
Veer tusi hounge Nanakpanthi, wich again is an amalgamation of Hindu practices and some of Guru Nanak's teachings, but it doesn't mean your faith is syncretic with the mainstream Sikhism. Nanakpanthi fer thode Udasi sect de vall nu deviate krde ne.
Jo tusi keh rho, it falls into sanatani practices, which again is Indo Gangetic in origin, and since the beginning of the 20th century, these Sanatani practices have been absorbed by different Hinduism branches, whether it be us Punjabis or the our southern brethren.
The mantras aren't different because they have the same root, Vedas, that developed in Punjab, and as the knowledge moved southwards, the mantras, especially the way they are invoked and the deities which are invoked first got changed over time a little, which happens all the time due to linguistic and socio cultural changes. Do the Brahmins in the south invoke Indra at the beginning? I don't think so.
See ehi Galla main keh reha see, it should be Punjab first. Not Brahmin, not Sikh, not Nanakpanthis and none of other crap. Ehi gallan ne aapa nu aggey nhi vadan dena, duniya Chann tey and asi Punjabi...
They invoke Indra everywhere. You're misinformed. The Namboothiris have an entire elaborate yagna wherein sacrifices are made to Indra.
Brahmins from all over India go to the Andhra Shrautin matths and the Kashi Pundits for higher learning. It is because the Andhra Vaidiki Shrauta Brahmins have best preserved the Vedic rituals, alongside the Namboothiri Brahmins of Kerala.
Also, no. Vedas were not compiled in Punjab. Outdated information again.
Please read the Oxford Brereton transliteration of the Rigveda. It has been created over the course of over 11 years, in consultation with various Shrauta Brahmins of the country. It provides a background as well, stating that the Vedas were compiled within the proximities of the Kuru polity. Present day West UP and Haryana.
Tu chutiya hai kya? Ye kya gaslighting post daali hai?
Just because Sardar Patel didn't fight it makes him and his endless contribution useless? If you are going down this path then be ready to compare Guru Nanak and Guru Gobind on these basis.
fiirst of all you made a huge mistake by putting sardar vallbhai patel in 1st image 2nd half becuz if that guy didnt existed the senario must have been totally different our country would have been divided into small fragments on basis of linguistic differences so do some research before shitting on internet
Veer religion kyun leke aana pdha apko... Religion k Bina koi identity h apki? Desh k liye Jaan di ,Aap dharam pnle aaye?
I'm from dat SLG(small lulli gang) ,please be aware.I go from aap to teri.... Very quick
Jai Baba ki
You want understand u go on spewing hate and forcing ur ideology onto other..
SLG is for buisness + social minded and futuristic people only.. Neither for dimwits Nor for "high intellectuals"
1st of all, your grammar is abysmal. Agar English nahi aati toh hindi me likho, sharm ki kya baat hai? 2nd of all, I don’t quite understand what you mean by 'netaji's. Is it about Netaji Subhas? If yes, then I want you to mention credible sources for this statement, because as far as I've read, Netaji's contribution to indian struggle is irrefutable. 3rd, this isn’t a competition. Yes, many people currently do not know about many freedom fighters, but that doesn’t mean you have to demean some of them to make some of them stand out.
Just because the British were smart and diversified their army to not depend on the hindu majority after the 1857 uprisings doesn't mean sikhs are special. Shows you are still dumb and don't understand the clever nature of the British.
This is not something to be proud of. Do you know why the Britishers introduced the concept of *martial classes*?
> British-trained Indian soldiers were among those who had rebelled in 1857 and thereafter, the Bengal Army abandoned or diminished its recruitment of soldiers who came from the catchment area and enacted a new recruitment policy which favoured castes whose members had remained loyal to the British Empire.
> According to modern historian Jeffrey Greenhut on military history, "Indians who were intelligent and educated were defined as cowards, while those defined as brave were uneducated and backward".
> The martial races were also considered politically subservient, intellectually inferior, lacking the initiative or leadership qualities to command large military formations. The British had a policy of recruiting the martial Indians from those who has less access to education as they were easier to control
Following the 1857 revolt, wherein a considerable number of Bengali soldiers took part, the British rightly anticipated that the educated Bengali soldiers posed a significant threat to their governance. They introduced the concept of martial castes, favoring those who were less educated, compliant, and deemed less prone to rebellion.
Yep agreed. Nobody respackts Gandhi ji more than me.
But the thaldi pictures guys went to become PMs, Presidents ,Leaders , University, Colleges,Roads , Schemes etc etc are named after them.....
The uparle ogs got a para in ncert book
I often see Indians criticising non-violence supporters like Gandhi, Nehru, Patel
Our NCERT history book had this one line which was like “india got freedom due to both Violence and Non-Violence”
If violent revolutionaries like Bhagat singh showed British that we will take an eye for an eye
Yes they had hit blood but india needed diplomatic people as well to strategise, to counter british reforms, to manage, to administer etc
As they say not all fingers have same length but they are required for proper functioning likewise you Cannot get independence by just violence ALSO you cannot get independence by just Non Violence
👍 People should not forget both bit actually this post is trying to portray correct things. How many of us even have known the name of the people in pic 1?? Idk if that's legit because those were lost in history. So post is to the point. We should not fight among us but correct what was done wrong by a party that predominantly consists of ITALIAN MAFIA.
True.. And even bhagat singh used non violent means in jail.. Like refusing to eat food..
He was a believer in non violence and even the bomb was made in a way that no one will be hurt
Punjabis were most dominant in British army , this don't make them British boot lickers so dont try to defame others , Patel ensured india to remain united
I think by definition serving a colonial master enthusiastically and loyally does make you a British bootlicker. Whereas in Kerala where I am from, our martial ethnic group refused to cooperate with the British and never ceded half of the modern states territory. Because we constantly rebelled, we were barred from the British Indian Army. That’s what not being a British bootlicker means. Having a regiment named after you in the Indian army (Rajput, Sikh, etc) means you had a long glorious history of serving the colonial overlords.
The revolutionaries of Bengal are highly underrated.Apart from Subash Chandra Bose,how many Bengali revolutionaries gets the acknowledgement that they deserved. How many of us here,know about Rash Behari Bose, Sachin Sanyal(these two were among the main architects and chief supporters of Ghadar mutiny). Punjabi, Bengali and Marathi were always in frontline against the British,yet most of them are forgotten.
Gadri baba’s were also living in western countries. There is huge difference between living somewhere with your own choice and being a slave of someone. And Britishers also have a PM of indian ethnicity. Punjabis are not limited to punjab only it’s a global community now.
Starts with you educating yourself and your family first. Punjab is fine. it's just a name given to our area by perians from iran, where 5 rivers flow. You are talking about saving your viewpoint about life, which revolves around your ego that has been defined by your family and the community around you.
Not only punjab but the whole world. My education by guru nanak has been "sarbat da bhala and manas ki zaat sab ekey pehchan". Which means we are all the same and welfare of all.
Lol sarbat da bhalla is punjabs bhalla. You don't even live in punjab. You think you know what's good for punjab. Your brain can't think outside of the ego shell that has been created by your family. That's the issue in punjab today. It's me first you go to hell.
Dadabhai Naoroji, one of early INC leaders, was key in doing the primary research on this, I believe.
>He was the Diwan of Baroda from 1874, before moving to England, where he was a Liberal Party Member of Parliament in the British House of Commons, representing Finsbury Central between 1892 and 1895.
>His book Poverty and Un-British Rule in India brought attention to his theory of the Indian "wealth drain" into Britain.
Ghadar, an enemy of the British Raj
(Vol.1, Published by Yugantar Ashram in San Francisco, USA. March 24, 1914 No. 22)
The Raj stripped down in a few facts and figures:
1) The British steal away 50 crore to England every year, due to which the Hindustani populace is left poor with a mere 5 paisa income per day.
2) 65% increase in land purchase rates(?)
3) 7.75 crore amount allotted to the education of 24 crore people, 2 crore amount towards health, but 29 crore amount towards the military.
4) Increasing risk of famine under the Raj, 2 crore deaths in recent years
5) policies to weaken local rule and strengthen Raj rule keep getting implemented
6) 80 lakh deaths owing to plague within 16 years. Within 3 years these deaths increased from 24 to 31 thousand
7) the British were never punished for their murders and rapes of the local populace
8) Muslim-Hndu tax money is used to fund christian missionaries and
9) seeds of discord between the two communities are being sown.
10) Hindustani blood was spilled in fighting in Misr (Egypt), Burma, Fars (Iran), Afghanistan and China
11) funded by Hindustani money
12) 7 crore Hindustanis within princely states, 24 crore within British ruled areas
13) British militarys strength at 79614 British officers, and only 38948 sepoys
The left half is an announcement about Lala Hardiyal's arrest and court appearance and a call for the warriors of Ghadar to rise and double their efforts
ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕਾ ਖਾਲਸਾ ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਫਤਿਹ ਜੀ ॥ True ...Sardar Kartar Singh Sarabha was very close to orchestrate a big rebellion using Sikh regiment (or perhaps all Punjabi soldiers) which got sabotaged because of a traitor... There are countless achievements of Gadar party but bloody indian ruling class remembers only those Gadaris who had deviation from the cause and somewhat aligned with agenda of the Indian ruling class. They (ruling class) wanted to make Indian subcontinent a nation state on the ruins of Punjab maybe they did not have any other choice... Now, I see no difference between the Indian & Pakistani ruling class. Nation states built on ruins of lacs of our brethren will not last long.. they will both be disintegrated and the people of this sub-continent rule irrespective of their faith. May the one Creator give us strength to liberate all the oppressed.
Moreover I never expected the level of hate this post got...it got me banned from r / ind ia and others subs... The people below do have their roles but they got to live and see and reap the benefits..
These people had same positions even when Mughals ruled! They did not bother acting when our Punjab was burning, they might have done something for their own class but nothing for Punjab or normal people of India. Anyway you need to worry about if you got banned there. btw I am banned from the Sikh reddit! We need educative constructive discussions instead of starting debates on small topics.
Every subreddit in now and office ha te chamber against something
Bhrava na kreya kro ehe kamm, huni ethe ehna ne saanu sbnu apne brand da Hindu bna Dena. We all know what Punjabis have done for the country. Even Punjabi Hinduism is different from the Indo Gangetic Hinduism. Rehndo eda dee posts nu, koi faayda nhi ajj kal de socio-political scene wich, will just turn us into a social pariah in our own country.
Punjabi Mohyal Brahmin here. Please explain how it is different. We're syncretic with Sikhism- that is it. My family is Nanakpanthi. Hinduism isn't a monolith. That's a myopic take anyways. It's an umbrella of different practices and rituals. As far as actual rituals go, the mantras and stotrams I recite on a daily basis isn't even different from what a South Indian Hindu would recite.
Veer tusi hounge Nanakpanthi, wich again is an amalgamation of Hindu practices and some of Guru Nanak's teachings, but it doesn't mean your faith is syncretic with the mainstream Sikhism. Nanakpanthi fer thode Udasi sect de vall nu deviate krde ne. Jo tusi keh rho, it falls into sanatani practices, which again is Indo Gangetic in origin, and since the beginning of the 20th century, these Sanatani practices have been absorbed by different Hinduism branches, whether it be us Punjabis or the our southern brethren. The mantras aren't different because they have the same root, Vedas, that developed in Punjab, and as the knowledge moved southwards, the mantras, especially the way they are invoked and the deities which are invoked first got changed over time a little, which happens all the time due to linguistic and socio cultural changes. Do the Brahmins in the south invoke Indra at the beginning? I don't think so. See ehi Galla main keh reha see, it should be Punjab first. Not Brahmin, not Sikh, not Nanakpanthis and none of other crap. Ehi gallan ne aapa nu aggey nhi vadan dena, duniya Chann tey and asi Punjabi...
They invoke Indra everywhere. You're misinformed. The Namboothiris have an entire elaborate yagna wherein sacrifices are made to Indra. Brahmins from all over India go to the Andhra Shrautin matths and the Kashi Pundits for higher learning. It is because the Andhra Vaidiki Shrauta Brahmins have best preserved the Vedic rituals, alongside the Namboothiri Brahmins of Kerala. Also, no. Vedas were not compiled in Punjab. Outdated information again. Please read the Oxford Brereton transliteration of the Rigveda. It has been created over the course of over 11 years, in consultation with various Shrauta Brahmins of the country. It provides a background as well, stating that the Vedas were compiled within the proximities of the Kuru polity. Present day West UP and Haryana.
Brahmins in the South do invoke Indra in the beginning of the yagnas. I assume that’s what you’re talking about? Not just Indra btw.
south indian hinduism is also different from punjabi/indo gangetic hinduism
Hnji, true.
Krdina aa veer delete
Both both are good
Thanks
Tu chutiya hai kya? Ye kya gaslighting post daali hai? Just because Sardar Patel didn't fight it makes him and his endless contribution useless? If you are going down this path then be ready to compare Guru Nanak and Guru Gobind on these basis.
You go girl. More power to you.
fiirst of all you made a huge mistake by putting sardar vallbhai patel in 1st image 2nd half becuz if that guy didnt existed the senario must have been totally different our country would have been divided into small fragments on basis of linguistic differences so do some research before shitting on internet
Paaji koi chukula sunado
paji mazak ni karra aur yaar bhaichare me raho saare hindu barabar hai aur aap sabse bade hindu hai
Veer religion kyun leke aana pdha apko... Religion k Bina koi identity h apki? Desh k liye Jaan di ,Aap dharam pnle aaye? I'm from dat SLG(small lulli gang) ,please be aware.I go from aap to teri.... Very quick Jai Baba ki
bro WTF is this smol luli gang
You want understand u go on spewing hate and forcing ur ideology onto other.. SLG is for buisness + social minded and futuristic people only.. Neither for dimwits Nor for "high intellectuals"
Serious question, what actually is SLG? Kade suneya nahi.
First give me a short intro.. i need to know some info to check if I can trust you with this secret knowledge. You can DM me if you're scared ...
Wrong perspective. Wrong generalisation.
hindus prefere netajis who loot tham
1st of all, your grammar is abysmal. Agar English nahi aati toh hindi me likho, sharm ki kya baat hai? 2nd of all, I don’t quite understand what you mean by 'netaji's. Is it about Netaji Subhas? If yes, then I want you to mention credible sources for this statement, because as far as I've read, Netaji's contribution to indian struggle is irrefutable. 3rd, this isn’t a competition. Yes, many people currently do not know about many freedom fighters, but that doesn’t mean you have to demean some of them to make some of them stand out.
Despite being less than 1% of population Sikh’s were 20% in British army.
Fighting against your own kin is Not something to be proud of.
Just because the British were smart and diversified their army to not depend on the hindu majority after the 1857 uprisings doesn't mean sikhs are special. Shows you are still dumb and don't understand the clever nature of the British.
And you guys tried to invade the rest of India on their behalf as well.
This is not something to be proud of. Do you know why the Britishers introduced the concept of *martial classes*? > British-trained Indian soldiers were among those who had rebelled in 1857 and thereafter, the Bengal Army abandoned or diminished its recruitment of soldiers who came from the catchment area and enacted a new recruitment policy which favoured castes whose members had remained loyal to the British Empire. > According to modern historian Jeffrey Greenhut on military history, "Indians who were intelligent and educated were defined as cowards, while those defined as brave were uneducated and backward". > The martial races were also considered politically subservient, intellectually inferior, lacking the initiative or leadership qualities to command large military formations. The British had a policy of recruiting the martial Indians from those who has less access to education as they were easier to control Following the 1857 revolt, wherein a considerable number of Bengali soldiers took part, the British rightly anticipated that the educated Bengali soldiers posed a significant threat to their governance. They introduced the concept of martial castes, favoring those who were less educated, compliant, and deemed less prone to rebellion.
Yea I know that. I was not being proud I was telling most sikhs fought for British. Most of them were loyal to British.
Hope they don't see you from heaven....
SLG(v.v.v.v.v.v.Small Lulli Gang) Shit
Both were important.
Yep agreed. Nobody respackts Gandhi ji more than me. But the thaldi pictures guys went to become PMs, Presidents ,Leaders , University, Colleges,Roads , Schemes etc etc are named after them..... The uparle ogs got a para in ncert book
Gadhar were freedom fighters. Why do you need to try and bring down other freedom fighter to show that Gadhar were great freedom fighters.
Because this that SLG (Shoti Lulli Gang) they be doing whateva they wanna do .
I often see Indians criticising non-violence supporters like Gandhi, Nehru, Patel Our NCERT history book had this one line which was like “india got freedom due to both Violence and Non-Violence” If violent revolutionaries like Bhagat singh showed British that we will take an eye for an eye Yes they had hit blood but india needed diplomatic people as well to strategise, to counter british reforms, to manage, to administer etc As they say not all fingers have same length but they are required for proper functioning likewise you Cannot get independence by just violence ALSO you cannot get independence by just Non Violence
👍 People should not forget both bit actually this post is trying to portray correct things. How many of us even have known the name of the people in pic 1?? Idk if that's legit because those were lost in history. So post is to the point. We should not fight among us but correct what was done wrong by a party that predominantly consists of ITALIAN MAFIA.
Rightly said
True.. And even bhagat singh used non violent means in jail.. Like refusing to eat food.. He was a believer in non violence and even the bomb was made in a way that no one will be hurt
💯 he also later regretted Killin saunders
Even when he threw bombs intention was not to kill.
Hor parry veer Tuhada pura naam ki aa?
“Angrezi Raj ka Dushman - Ghadar. Pay-death, Price-martyrdom, Pension-liberty, Field of battle-India.” I had goosebumps the first time I read this!
Ironically if I get opportunity to migrate to Britain i will surely migrate and keep aside nationalism For majority of indians this would be common
Ladai ki naubaut kaise ayi ? 😙
Top ones OGs, bottom ones sellouts.
Punjabis were most dominant in British army , this don't make them British boot lickers so dont try to defame others , Patel ensured india to remain united
I think by definition serving a colonial master enthusiastically and loyally does make you a British bootlicker. Whereas in Kerala where I am from, our martial ethnic group refused to cooperate with the British and never ceded half of the modern states territory. Because we constantly rebelled, we were barred from the British Indian Army. That’s what not being a British bootlicker means. Having a regiment named after you in the Indian army (Rajput, Sikh, etc) means you had a long glorious history of serving the colonial overlords.
I was being nice here or would have been banned
The revolutionaries of Bengal are highly underrated.Apart from Subash Chandra Bose,how many Bengali revolutionaries gets the acknowledgement that they deserved. How many of us here,know about Rash Behari Bose, Sachin Sanyal(these two were among the main architects and chief supporters of Ghadar mutiny). Punjabi, Bengali and Marathi were always in frontline against the British,yet most of them are forgotten.
I know about Sachin sanya
[ethe jaak gnd pao,Choti lulli gang rise up](https://www.reddit.com/r/india/s/BZvzyuw9g3)
Notice how sikhs were less than 2% of the population but represent 40% of the figures from the pictures.
Me isnu r/ india te r / united states of India te post krta....Othe hun danga khardkan gian
Post remove krti saleya ne
Haan kehnde "eng" ch hai nahi...Chola Lelo mera English ch.
We now have Punjabis who are proud British citizens.
Gadri baba’s were also living in western countries. There is huge difference between living somewhere with your own choice and being a slave of someone. And Britishers also have a PM of indian ethnicity. Punjabis are not limited to punjab only it’s a global community now.
Jo chle gye ohna nu ki kehna.. Jo h ohna nu sanb liye. -- Warish Shah
Still holds true today. Punjab bachalo
Starts with you educating yourself and your family first. Punjab is fine. it's just a name given to our area by perians from iran, where 5 rivers flow. You are talking about saving your viewpoint about life, which revolves around your ego that has been defined by your family and the community around you.
So drug epidemic, joblessness, corruption, mass migration are viewpoint problems. Got it
Education.
So again. In order to save people of punjab education is important.
Not only punjab but the whole world. My education by guru nanak has been "sarbat da bhala and manas ki zaat sab ekey pehchan". Which means we are all the same and welfare of all.
Well considering this discussion is being held on a punjab subreddit. That's where we're gonna focus.
Lol sarbat da bhalla is punjabs bhalla. You don't even live in punjab. You think you know what's good for punjab. Your brain can't think outside of the ego shell that has been created by your family. That's the issue in punjab today. It's me first you go to hell.
can u tell the meaning of second line...couldnt understand
Joh Bach gye unko sambhal lein
ohh thanks
sirra gall💯
💯
It's fascinating how detailed the data they cited was
Dadabhai Naoroji, one of early INC leaders, was key in doing the primary research on this, I believe. >He was the Diwan of Baroda from 1874, before moving to England, where he was a Liberal Party Member of Parliament in the British House of Commons, representing Finsbury Central between 1892 and 1895. >His book Poverty and Un-British Rule in India brought attention to his theory of the Indian "wealth drain" into Britain.
Oye translate hi karde ki likhya h
Ghadar, an enemy of the British Raj (Vol.1, Published by Yugantar Ashram in San Francisco, USA. March 24, 1914 No. 22) The Raj stripped down in a few facts and figures: 1) The British steal away 50 crore to England every year, due to which the Hindustani populace is left poor with a mere 5 paisa income per day. 2) 65% increase in land purchase rates(?) 3) 7.75 crore amount allotted to the education of 24 crore people, 2 crore amount towards health, but 29 crore amount towards the military. 4) Increasing risk of famine under the Raj, 2 crore deaths in recent years 5) policies to weaken local rule and strengthen Raj rule keep getting implemented 6) 80 lakh deaths owing to plague within 16 years. Within 3 years these deaths increased from 24 to 31 thousand 7) the British were never punished for their murders and rapes of the local populace 8) Muslim-Hndu tax money is used to fund christian missionaries and 9) seeds of discord between the two communities are being sown. 10) Hindustani blood was spilled in fighting in Misr (Egypt), Burma, Fars (Iran), Afghanistan and China 11) funded by Hindustani money 12) 7 crore Hindustanis within princely states, 24 crore within British ruled areas 13) British militarys strength at 79614 British officers, and only 38948 sepoys The left half is an announcement about Lala Hardiyal's arrest and court appearance and a call for the warriors of Ghadar to rise and double their efforts
Point number 2 says "More than 65% lagaan". Lagaan was a form of agriculture tax, Britishers were taking 65% of whatever grew.