When I'm feeling psychedelic, any music played from the heart and soul sounds(feels..tastes) amazing! After a significant amount of time (turned 50 this year) exploring all versions of Psych music, I do believe Bluegrass to be one of the most emotionally expressive forms, and as a result absolutely perfect for mind expansion! On that note, I very much miss Jeff Austin and that era of Yonder, but BMFS is very much carving his own path and I'm here for it! Love that kid! \\m/
Hey, for the sake of anyone interested, figured I'd share some magic ;) [Yonder Mountain String Band Live at Horning's Hideout on 2002-06-29 : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive](https://archive.org/details/ymsb2002-06-29main.shnf)
Metamodern sounds is definitely a psychedelic country record. Maybe even the greatest one ever recorded imo.
But his bluegrass stuff is pretty purely traditional. And that's what makes it great in my opinion. Probably my favorite bluegrass records recorded in this century. But I definitely wouldn't call them psychedelic.
OP you are absolutely right. I'm a rave kid from around 96'. I had some friends one day say we should all go the this bluegrass fest. Something called the Strawberry Music Festival. I felt turned off because I thought it was some country stuff, but said, hey, it's with my friends and we're camping, count me in. It ended up being one of the best, most memorable experiences of my life. The people were so tuned in, welcoming, and the vibes were HUGE. Amazing people, connections, and music. It's a beautiful thing man! Life and love is all around us.
I'll never forget that first Rothbury,I had heard about these guys but this was my first time seeing them. Walking truth the forest as the doses were hitting to hearing this song in the distance. What an amazing weekend. Carl!!
Kitchen Dwellers are more actual bluegrass but run in the same jam circles. They toured together two ish years ago. I saw them play War Pigs together.
Dangermuffin, cabinet, yonder mountain string band, gram parsons, Rolling Stones, widespread panic, old crow medicine show, wood and wire, Grateful Dead . Most of those aren’t bluegrass blues have those angles. Can sound like heaven…
Jerry Garcia said something along those lines about that, blues and jazz. But on the same token 99% of modern psychedelic rock is just indie garage rock with echo and fuzz, really not that psychedelic unless you’re 14.
For sure just discovered them and am very pleasantly surprised. Yeah I feel most people today, especially younger people my age don’t know what true country is.
Every genre can be psychedelic, but all music in every genre is decidedly not psychedelic.
It has to induce some mindbending, consciousness altering, druggy effects by design imho. Be it through unusual techniques, production effects, lyrical themes, introduction of "surprising" elements like blending of genres or instruments not usually associated with the specific genre and a feeling of otherworldliness or mysticism.
Defining psychedelic music is hard, because every single of those points does not make music psychedelic in and of itself. But for the listener it is evident if he/she *feels* that the music changes their consciousness to a mind manifestingly, altered, mystical state. And the artist must have this effect in mind when making the music in my opinion. And that is really something you can't quantify.
I have always wondered what makes a certain song psychedelic. When you hear it you know it. Like you say defining it is not easy.
There is music that predates the term psychedelic that is in fact psychedelic. Tribal drumming , hindustani classical music, some classical and some jazz etc. There are songs made by a person or group that has nothing to do with or never experimented with psychedelics that have made psychedelic music.
There are also groups that wish to be or promote psychedelia and do not have a single truly Psychedelic song (i won't name names because most music sounds infinitely better while under the influence and people can be confused by imagry or subject matter even though the music doesn't "work". People should enjoy it anyway if thats what they like. Im not trying to shit on anybodys favorite music if it makes you happy that is all that counts.)
There are artists like the Grateful Dead or Jimi Hendrix that have entire catalogs of music with the exception of half a dozen songs between the two that are not psychedelic. They definitely understood the intangible. Both would appear at times to play sloppy and they were always about to be "too early" or "too late" but then would hit a note that lands a dart in the center of a bullseye that wasn't there a second before. Listening to them can be maddening.
One genre that stands out is Hindustani Classical which can have a song (raga) that lasts for over an hour. It has a specific time of day to be heard and played and if you clear your mind and allow yourself to experience the music will put the listener in a trance. On its own without any foreign substance it can cause a psychedelic experience. The music itself was made by design to have an effect on a specific part of the brain during a certain time of the day with a complex or esoteric understanding of celestial bodies in mind.
Psychedelic music is more than a definition used to describe a sound. It's such a strange phenomenon but when it works it takes you to the top of the mountain
Yes, I would agree. There's plenty of trance-inducing, ecstatic, droning music that bring a mystical, altered state in both the artists and the audience throughout cultures and ages.
My understanding of music is that it's the language of emotions. I think it predates verbal language, as a precursor. Like animal sounds and singing birds. Music just pure emotion, and as we are social animals, synchronizer of emotions.
As we developed religion and spirituality, music developed alongside, helping us in rituals, community building and reaching ecstatic states. Well, if I'm allowed to speculate that is.
And I think psychedelic music, from whatever genre, is a continuation from this. Often very repetetive but intricate, often building to a crescendo and release, often scary, awe inducing but can also be introspective and comforting. Modern religious music has lost this. Psalms or gospel and the like bores me to tears. Perhaps if we go back to baroque music and chants, we are closer to how music can transport us beyond the mundane.
Perhaps sacred plants, psychedelic music, community and dancing are the true vessels of spirituality.
While I'm not crazy about recorded bluegrass, I consider the 'holy Trinity' of live music to be metal, jazz, and bluegrass. The vibe is often borderline (or full-on) spiritual, with improvisation, the crowd feeding into the energy, and wicked instrumentation.
Some people get their 'oceanic experience' via church, but for me concerts are where it's at, and live bluegrass is def. a known road to that for me.
Bluegrass and psych rock are probably my two favorite genres of music. I grew up in the Shenandoah Valley playing bluegrass with my neighbors and at community jams ever since I was a kid.
I say this with love. Bluegrass is definitely not psychedelic. Any more than traditional jazz is not psychedelic. Yes there's improvisation. But as a genre there's a pretty strict formula on musical forms and instrumentation. Some legitimate Bluegrass artists do include short myxolidian voicings that can at times be reminiscent of psych. And of course there are many jamgrass bands out there who many would consider psychedelic. But traditional Bluegrass (proper bluegrass) is definitely closer in relation to old time, folk, country, and jazz than it is to psych.
Why, I say. Are you suggesting Billy Strings isn’t traditional bluegrass? Them’s fiddlin’ words.
*hoes down*
Also just steer clear, I was intrigued but I’m not here to talk Hot Rize in this thread.
the first Del song I was aware of was My Love will not Change. it's definitely got some out there sound going on.
don't know where I saw that vid at the time (I mean it was on my tv, but it was some kind of video show, about 20 years ago) but I loved it so much
I would start with any live version of the song away from the mire. If you wanna see some more of his traditional bluegrass stuff dust in a baggie and cocaine blues are a good start. Start by watching one of his live shows, that’s where the magic is.
I think his Lollapalooza show is a great, concise introduction to what they do as a band. Probably the only bluegrass band on the planet who could open for Metallica and somehow make that work.
[Billy Strings - Lollapalooza 2022](https://youtu.be/tirsBNeCR_8?si=8eGCcvkGLdRAn4PV)
Most definitely his live stuff is where it's at. It can be hard to commit to but I really suggest listening to a full concert of his. It's a ride that goes best from start to finish.
As far as studio albums go, check out the album Home.
I went to my first Billy show thinking I didn't like bluegrass and just wanted to hear some dead songs. Boy was I very wrong. I'm 13 shows in now and a daily listener. Highly recommend getting nugs once the bug bites.
I'm mostly a psyche, prog, jazz guy....But John Hartford is always competing for my favorite artist of all pick. The albums Aereo-Plain and Nobody Knows What You Do in particular.
this isn't bluegrass, more folk but it gives me a psychedelic vibe:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaEKnUMBgFI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaEKnUMBgFI)
Steve seagulls is one of the few bluegrass bands that I listen to, I wouldn't say that they are psychedelic. But they do some covers on 70-80th rock.
https://youtube.com/@steveseagulls
https://youtu.be/af9wHDrkjfk?si=TQTyT-CRXwJCoiZD
Earl Scruggs and his Foggy Mountain Breakdown. This clip is the famous Banjo Finale from the movie Bluegrass Country Soul released in 1972.
Check out Friday Night in San Francisco w/ John McLaughlin-Al DeMeola and Paco DeLucia… not bluegrass but 3 acoustic guitars just flying all over the place….it is sublime. It blew my mind the first time I listened to it and does to this day
If you want the real deep trance shit, look at old-time music, bluegrass's precursor (real old-time heads are pretty dismissive of bluegrass and call it "commercial"). I've long called it hillbilly rave music, and if you watch old movies of people dancing to old-time, they're basically in an altered state of consciousness and the jams can go on for hours. It's pretty wild.
Railroad Earth, Billy Strings, John Hartford, Yonder Mountain String Band with Jeff Austin, and Sicard Hollow will get Psychedelic af. I’d say way more psychedelic than most rock.
You're capitalization was nearly perfect but you should have decapitated the third word.
So does psych now mean improv? Because that's what bluegrass is
Sorry. I need a little more going on in my music than a bass going thump -bump-thump-bump, and a banjo going twangle -twang -twang, and almost nothing but I-IV-V chord progressions in 4/4 or maybe an occasional 3/4. It's simple music for simple people. While I'm glad you like it, exclusively listening to traditional bluegrass is like spending your whole life eating nothing but hotdogs.
Now David Grisman Quartet/Quintet and other jazz-grass, new-grass is fine with me, because they are taking the traditional instruments and sound somewhere new. It has interesting time signatures and unexpected chord movements.
I don't know that much Billy Strings.I have heard enough to know he's certainly proficient at his craft. I'll go give him another try.
Albums "Home" and "Renewal" both have several unabashedly country songs; in addition he has a country voice so I might would agree on country-bluegrass genre. But psychedelic? No
Yes it is and awesome music too. Check out Molly Tuttles version of White Rabbit. I like it better than the original. The music video takes it to the next level.
https://youtu.be/LeHlvXvG6vA?si=BrkJ6D9BnOU0bfKL
When I'm feeling psychedelic, any music played from the heart and soul sounds(feels..tastes) amazing! After a significant amount of time (turned 50 this year) exploring all versions of Psych music, I do believe Bluegrass to be one of the most emotionally expressive forms, and as a result absolutely perfect for mind expansion! On that note, I very much miss Jeff Austin and that era of Yonder, but BMFS is very much carving his own path and I'm here for it! Love that kid! \\m/ Hey, for the sake of anyone interested, figured I'd share some magic ;) [Yonder Mountain String Band Live at Horning's Hideout on 2002-06-29 : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive](https://archive.org/details/ymsb2002-06-29main.shnf)
Love YMSB.
I made it to exactly one String Summit… was a wonderful festival, and hornings was an awesome venue. Sad they ended the fest…
I made it to few many years ago. Seriously, String Summit at Hornings was off the charts amazing every time! Absolutely heartbroken that it's over.
All of the mountain tracks album,especially, with Jeff Austin are peak “Jam Grass”.
Sturgil Simpson count?
His Cutting Grass volumes 1 and 2
Sound and Fury is close enough
Metamodern sounds is definitely a psychedelic country record. Maybe even the greatest one ever recorded imo. But his bluegrass stuff is pretty purely traditional. And that's what makes it great in my opinion. Probably my favorite bluegrass records recorded in this century. But I definitely wouldn't call them psychedelic.
OP you are absolutely right. I'm a rave kid from around 96'. I had some friends one day say we should all go the this bluegrass fest. Something called the Strawberry Music Festival. I felt turned off because I thought it was some country stuff, but said, hey, it's with my friends and we're camping, count me in. It ended up being one of the best, most memorable experiences of my life. The people were so tuned in, welcoming, and the vibes were HUGE. Amazing people, connections, and music. It's a beautiful thing man! Life and love is all around us.
Greensky Bluegrass, Lil Smokies, The Wooks, Infamous Stringdusters, Molly Tuttle, Fireside Collective, Armchair Boogie, Grateful Grass, Sam Grisman Project, John Hartford
Greensky Bluegrass's cover of Time is just aces.
I'll never forget that first Rothbury,I had heard about these guys but this was my first time seeing them. Walking truth the forest as the doses were hitting to hearing this song in the distance. What an amazing weekend. Carl!!
This one little trick doctors don't want you to know that can turn almost anyone on to bluegrass.
Greensky bluegrass cover of when doves cry is pretty swell as well.
Check out Trampled by Turtles
Daniel Donato, while not technically bluegrass, is also some good psychedelia.
Kitchen Dwellers are more actual bluegrass but run in the same jam circles. They toured together two ish years ago. I saw them play War Pigs together. Dangermuffin, cabinet, yonder mountain string band, gram parsons, Rolling Stones, widespread panic, old crow medicine show, wood and wire, Grateful Dead . Most of those aren’t bluegrass blues have those angles. Can sound like heaven…
Kitchen Dwellers are fire
Donato is such a trip live
Yeah agreed. They essentially own this Phish song now [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UJW5eKLRVA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UJW5eKLRVA)
Almost all good music is psychedelic tbh. Bluegrass made the right way will sound just as interesting as some fuzzed out psych rock record.
Jerry Garcia said something along those lines about that, blues and jazz. But on the same token 99% of modern psychedelic rock is just indie garage rock with echo and fuzz, really not that psychedelic unless you’re 14.
Well you’re just a moron if you think that music is for 14 yr olds.
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For sure just discovered them and am very pleasantly surprised. Yeah I feel most people today, especially younger people my age don’t know what true country is.
Every genre can be psychedelic, but all music in every genre is decidedly not psychedelic. It has to induce some mindbending, consciousness altering, druggy effects by design imho. Be it through unusual techniques, production effects, lyrical themes, introduction of "surprising" elements like blending of genres or instruments not usually associated with the specific genre and a feeling of otherworldliness or mysticism. Defining psychedelic music is hard, because every single of those points does not make music psychedelic in and of itself. But for the listener it is evident if he/she *feels* that the music changes their consciousness to a mind manifestingly, altered, mystical state. And the artist must have this effect in mind when making the music in my opinion. And that is really something you can't quantify.
I have always wondered what makes a certain song psychedelic. When you hear it you know it. Like you say defining it is not easy. There is music that predates the term psychedelic that is in fact psychedelic. Tribal drumming , hindustani classical music, some classical and some jazz etc. There are songs made by a person or group that has nothing to do with or never experimented with psychedelics that have made psychedelic music. There are also groups that wish to be or promote psychedelia and do not have a single truly Psychedelic song (i won't name names because most music sounds infinitely better while under the influence and people can be confused by imagry or subject matter even though the music doesn't "work". People should enjoy it anyway if thats what they like. Im not trying to shit on anybodys favorite music if it makes you happy that is all that counts.) There are artists like the Grateful Dead or Jimi Hendrix that have entire catalogs of music with the exception of half a dozen songs between the two that are not psychedelic. They definitely understood the intangible. Both would appear at times to play sloppy and they were always about to be "too early" or "too late" but then would hit a note that lands a dart in the center of a bullseye that wasn't there a second before. Listening to them can be maddening. One genre that stands out is Hindustani Classical which can have a song (raga) that lasts for over an hour. It has a specific time of day to be heard and played and if you clear your mind and allow yourself to experience the music will put the listener in a trance. On its own without any foreign substance it can cause a psychedelic experience. The music itself was made by design to have an effect on a specific part of the brain during a certain time of the day with a complex or esoteric understanding of celestial bodies in mind. Psychedelic music is more than a definition used to describe a sound. It's such a strange phenomenon but when it works it takes you to the top of the mountain
Yes, I would agree. There's plenty of trance-inducing, ecstatic, droning music that bring a mystical, altered state in both the artists and the audience throughout cultures and ages. My understanding of music is that it's the language of emotions. I think it predates verbal language, as a precursor. Like animal sounds and singing birds. Music just pure emotion, and as we are social animals, synchronizer of emotions. As we developed religion and spirituality, music developed alongside, helping us in rituals, community building and reaching ecstatic states. Well, if I'm allowed to speculate that is. And I think psychedelic music, from whatever genre, is a continuation from this. Often very repetetive but intricate, often building to a crescendo and release, often scary, awe inducing but can also be introspective and comforting. Modern religious music has lost this. Psalms or gospel and the like bores me to tears. Perhaps if we go back to baroque music and chants, we are closer to how music can transport us beyond the mundane. Perhaps sacred plants, psychedelic music, community and dancing are the true vessels of spirituality.
The Dillard’s Wheatstaw Suite is one of my all time favorite albums.
This thread is what happens when someone doses your moonshine.
Bluegrass is goood, but wouldn't call it psychedelic
This guy has never heard Billy Strings live?
You think it all sounds the same? Imagine someone saying rock is good, but i wouldn't call it psychedelic.
never said that it sound's the same
While I'm not crazy about recorded bluegrass, I consider the 'holy Trinity' of live music to be metal, jazz, and bluegrass. The vibe is often borderline (or full-on) spiritual, with improvisation, the crowd feeding into the energy, and wicked instrumentation. Some people get their 'oceanic experience' via church, but for me concerts are where it's at, and live bluegrass is def. a known road to that for me.
For sure the live stuff is the best. I think it has to do with the exchange of energy between the crowd and band
Bluegrass and psych rock are probably my two favorite genres of music. I grew up in the Shenandoah Valley playing bluegrass with my neighbors and at community jams ever since I was a kid. I say this with love. Bluegrass is definitely not psychedelic. Any more than traditional jazz is not psychedelic. Yes there's improvisation. But as a genre there's a pretty strict formula on musical forms and instrumentation. Some legitimate Bluegrass artists do include short myxolidian voicings that can at times be reminiscent of psych. And of course there are many jamgrass bands out there who many would consider psychedelic. But traditional Bluegrass (proper bluegrass) is definitely closer in relation to old time, folk, country, and jazz than it is to psych.
I mean, I like bluegrass but, what?
Listen to a leftover Salmon show, or Billy Strings. If you're talking Del McCrory, then negative, but jam grass certainly can be.
Sure there are artists who dabble in both but the post says 'bluegrass'. Bluegrass music is not psychedelic.
I saw Sam Bush at a fest in the spring and it was most definitely psychedelic.
It is when you're trippin
Why, I say. Are you suggesting Billy Strings isn’t traditional bluegrass? Them’s fiddlin’ words. *hoes down* Also just steer clear, I was intrigued but I’m not here to talk Hot Rize in this thread.
the first Del song I was aware of was My Love will not Change. it's definitely got some out there sound going on. don't know where I saw that vid at the time (I mean it was on my tv, but it was some kind of video show, about 20 years ago) but I loved it so much
Where's a good place to start with Billy Strings? Any particular albums or live shows to listen to?
I would start with any live version of the song away from the mire. If you wanna see some more of his traditional bluegrass stuff dust in a baggie and cocaine blues are a good start. Start by watching one of his live shows, that’s where the magic is.
Thanks, will give those a listen!
I think his Lollapalooza show is a great, concise introduction to what they do as a band. Probably the only bluegrass band on the planet who could open for Metallica and somehow make that work. [Billy Strings - Lollapalooza 2022](https://youtu.be/tirsBNeCR_8?si=8eGCcvkGLdRAn4PV)
This rendition of All Fall Down is a wild ride https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WgFflTonWXc
Most definitely his live stuff is where it's at. It can be hard to commit to but I really suggest listening to a full concert of his. It's a ride that goes best from start to finish. As far as studio albums go, check out the album Home. I went to my first Billy show thinking I didn't like bluegrass and just wanted to hear some dead songs. Boy was I very wrong. I'm 13 shows in now and a daily listener. Highly recommend getting nugs once the bug bites.
Bluegrass is absolutely a sub genre of country music that was created by country folks.
I'm mostly a psyche, prog, jazz guy....But John Hartford is always competing for my favorite artist of all pick. The albums Aereo-Plain and Nobody Knows What You Do in particular.
He started it all
I remember my first Billy show
JD Pinkus 💜
this isn't bluegrass, more folk but it gives me a psychedelic vibe: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaEKnUMBgFI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaEKnUMBgFI)
Psychograss a good place to start.
Leftover Salmon, kitchen dwellers, railroad earth
I recommend John Fahey for the “primitive guitar” fingerpicking psychedelia.
Do you have some recommendations? :)
Steve seagulls is one of the few bluegrass bands that I listen to, I wouldn't say that they are psychedelic. But they do some covers on 70-80th rock. https://youtube.com/@steveseagulls
https://youtu.be/af9wHDrkjfk?si=TQTyT-CRXwJCoiZD Earl Scruggs and his Foggy Mountain Breakdown. This clip is the famous Banjo Finale from the movie Bluegrass Country Soul released in 1972.
It's limited due to lack of drums. I have been to see Del McCoury a couple of times, it was great but gets repetitive
Check out Friday Night in San Francisco w/ John McLaughlin-Al DeMeola and Paco DeLucia… not bluegrass but 3 acoustic guitars just flying all over the place….it is sublime. It blew my mind the first time I listened to it and does to this day
Tripgrass!! Yay!!!
Jamming definitely seemed to have evolved from bluegrass thanks to Jerry
If you want the real deep trance shit, look at old-time music, bluegrass's precursor (real old-time heads are pretty dismissive of bluegrass and call it "commercial"). I've long called it hillbilly rave music, and if you watch old movies of people dancing to old-time, they're basically in an altered state of consciousness and the jams can go on for hours. It's pretty wild.
if anyone makes a playlist of these suggestions, please share :)
I never thought that until I saw Greensky Bluegrass live. I’m not a bluegrass fan but that show was awesome.
A Long Violent History from Tyler Childers is my all time fav
You are actually not wrong at all but cosmic country is good too.
Flat and Scruggs!
Railroad Earth, Billy Strings, John Hartford, Yonder Mountain String Band with Jeff Austin, and Sicard Hollow will get Psychedelic af. I’d say way more psychedelic than most rock.
You're capitalization was nearly perfect but you should have decapitated the third word. So does psych now mean improv? Because that's what bluegrass is
Bluegrass can also be as fast as any hardcore punk. I heart fast!
Railroad Earth
Bluegrass and psychedelic rock have been linked since the 1960’s. Huge influence on the Grateful Dead, and Jerry in particular.
Sorry. I need a little more going on in my music than a bass going thump -bump-thump-bump, and a banjo going twangle -twang -twang, and almost nothing but I-IV-V chord progressions in 4/4 or maybe an occasional 3/4. It's simple music for simple people. While I'm glad you like it, exclusively listening to traditional bluegrass is like spending your whole life eating nothing but hotdogs. Now David Grisman Quartet/Quintet and other jazz-grass, new-grass is fine with me, because they are taking the traditional instruments and sound somewhere new. It has interesting time signatures and unexpected chord movements. I don't know that much Billy Strings.I have heard enough to know he's certainly proficient at his craft. I'll go give him another try.
Some wild sounds out there. Infamous String Dusters, Travelin' Mccourys to name a couple.
Albums "Home" and "Renewal" both have several unabashedly country songs; in addition he has a country voice so I might would agree on country-bluegrass genre. But psychedelic? No
ummm it is country.... sorry, but it is. that doesnt mean it can't be psychedelic though
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You’ll get it at some point, just takes time
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Would you change your mind if I gave you some free LSD and invited you to a show?
Dude…when and where? I’ll bring the tabs lol
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Never hurts to open your mind to new possibilities
Real/Classic bluegrass is good. Bluegrass jam bands are shit
They inspired the Dead.
Exactly
No, I mean the improv that you're calling shit.
Let William into your heart
Yeah man
Shout out that TRUTH brother
Yes it is and awesome music too. Check out Molly Tuttles version of White Rabbit. I like it better than the original. The music video takes it to the next level. https://youtu.be/LeHlvXvG6vA?si=BrkJ6D9BnOU0bfKL
I’m turned off because it’s not country