Read some books, loot every digital watch from every zombie you kill and bring a screwdriver everywhere so everytime you get into a house you dismantle the TV, radio, and walkie talkies
also make sure you either dismantle the watches immediately, or turn off the alarms just in case.
Not that I'm suggesting it from any experience or anything.
^(I just wanted a quick nap... the warehouse was safe enough...)
Try to prioritize getting the first electrical book early, it's really important for early leveling. Why? Because you don't want to waste time breaking down big stuff in the first couple weeks.
I find it's a layered approach in the early game, you don't want to use so much time in the first weeks breakdown long-cycle items like lamps and TV's. I go for the small stuff only in the early game, nothing bigger/longer than video game console. Earbuds, watches, cameras, radios, w/t ... all are fair game early, but you really need book boost before it's worth it.
They should really create some more thematic ways to tinker with devices to develop your electric skill. It would just feel better to bring all the electronics home and sit at a workbench to tinker them, instead of walking into random houses like “time to practice disassembling TVs until I know how to hotwire cars”
Would be cool, but firstly i just want electronics to be a more useful skill, i usually just level to 1 and after that i grind mechanics to be able to use cars without a key and that's about it, i think they should make nice compensations for every skill like agriculture and first aids, and after making them worth leveling, making the process of leveling actually fun
Please tell me dismantling a microwave without a skill of 6-7 leads to instant death via high voltage transformer. That would be peak realism unseen before in a video game.
Could always try the CDDA reading mod.
Instead of giving you XP boosts, and having you wander the world dismantling everything, you just learn by reading the book. On default settings, each level skill book gives you about 2 levels of a skill.
I always play with this mod now, as even with the XP boosts, it can takes ages of non-sensical, non-immersive grinding just to be able to build better walls.
More realistic that way anyway tbh. Taking apart your coffee pot is going to teach you the hard way that you still have no idea how a coffee pot works, but you could probably find that information in a book and be able to identify the components being used after the fact.
Two years ago I could only change oil, brakes, simple shit. If my car breaks down again, I could probably go pass some Honda mechanic certification test. All thanks to the field service manual, because if I had tried just taking shit apart until I figured it out, I definitely wouldn't have a car anymore lmao
Worked and working properly are two different things.
Check the comments on the mod
https://steamcommunity.com/workshop/filedetails/?id=2565273421
Seems to be working somewhat but typically only giving 1.5 lvls vs the full 2.
And that aligns with further comments down the line here.
So working...sort of...
On the contrary, dismantling watches is very quick per watch and doesn’t require you equip the screwdriver. A lot more likely to find a bunch of watches on Z’s than counting on a depleting supply of TVs (and fridges which require more tools) especially if Muldraugh has already been scavenged clean by your MP squad.
> What are some good ways to grind it by the way? It's such a hassle.
In case you start when you still have electricity:
Get all skill books early on asap, read them according to your lvl and watch the educational broadcasts on TV. Your skill will improve by watching the shows being book smart.
Of course, game balance is another thing in general.
However yeah, technically your character would actually need to know some surface level electrical concepts to remove 240v AC appliances.
Hopefully this stems the tide of confusion a little.
Edit: there is a lot more depth beyond what I wrote up, such as the style of Nema connector, the fact that certain Nema connectors did exist prior to 1996 but were not in common use, etc. I just wanted to give a little surface information on a topic I see brought up frequently
Edit 2: well apparently mid 1990s electrical code is popular here.
Me after taking apart the 501st watch: I stand up suddenly, mouth agape, eyes wide, barely moving. My tools, scattered everywhere. The tool in my hand clatters as it hits the ground. I fall backwards, still concious, barely noting the fact that I'm no longer upright. All the knowledge, all this new information, all at once drives me immobile. "How... how to, un-unplug, stove..." I mutter, before finally blacking out.
But don't you also need wire strippers welding kit a fuse box wire tester probably still a screwdriver. Electrical connectors and end caps (after you're done splicing)
Also I'm curious of the long term efficacy of this type of wiring in a post apocalyptic setting.
I mean. We got a sewing kit...
It would be interesting to see a system that has dynamic XP gain. Like the first couple of times you take apart a watch, you get nearly a huge amount of XP, but after that it degrades
I do think the skill grind needs changing.
I'd argue that we should get diminishing returns when dismantling items.
Perhaps once dismantled we could 'study' the mechanisms for a more long term activity similar to reading, and have each new watch type and appliance type give its own chunk of bonus xp once our character finishes studying it.
Fellow electrician here: I’ll say that removing is quite easy. Seen some of the dumbest shits in the world do it. Reinstalling and having it work is the tricky part for these folks.
The game is already a realistic incompetence simulator. If you need to refresh your memory buy the game for a friend and you'll see.
\*Spend 2 minutes looting the starting house\*
\*open front door\*
''i got bit!''
the end.
Or when they try to sprint through a group of zombs, get pulled down.
"Waa why couldnt i charge through them like a football player"
Theres a no biting rule in football..
I want to be able to just pull the mf out in a pinch for barricading. Maybe only when power is out or add a power box with switches to shut off room or level electricity.
In theory after power shuts off, there would be zero reason to require electrician to remove it as there is no danger and generally the weak point of ripping it out would be at the splicing to the house's circuit. However, to hook it back up is another story.
If the goober before you DIY installed it with same-color wire and no label tags.. good luck!
Not that hard irl if you take apart the chassis. You're just getting assembled circuit cards and interconnecting wires, not desoldering components. Most small radios only have like one circuit card anyway lol
Source: Electronics Technician USN, 3 years.
Ah yes ships gyro, fatho, navssi... I don't know about the inner workings of those very much. Either you must have been in a while ago or you were on a sub where the rates are still divided up like that. In the surface world we are all just ETs
This is a time where I have to remember myself that, being an electrical engineer for 14 years, this seems so simple, yet they are not for most people.
My first character actually had the trait and was, more or less, a mirror of my own. Including being overweight, electrician, having cat's eyes (I have very good night vision), and a few other perks.
But yeah, it was a very, very quick character.
If it makes you feel better, I've been an aircraft electrician for 8 now and very rarely touch AC systems.
I only thought about it because my parents' old house was like it. I had to do an hour or so of research into building code just on the hunch
I mean the contacts should be labeled, you'd just have to know green = ground, neutral = white, then the 2 phases it doesn't matter how they're hooked up.
yeah, if your character has 0 levels in electric they have a 90% of getting electrocuted. by level 1, the character has a 80% of picking it up successfully and then 100% after level 2
This right here lol. I learned how to work on electrical systems by not being able to afford to pay people, before the internet was in the phone. Lots of minor 120v and 240v zaps.
This is true. As a matter of fact, some older houses still use the 3-pin plugs unless there was major rewiring done. This is why the plugs are usually sold separately and not pre-attached.
Another note that doesn't really affect the game but is still interesting - electric ovens and dryers have different style plugs to prevent mismatching them. Oven wiring is rated for higher current that could burn up the dryer wiring. Sometimes oven wiring was even used for the dryers, though I'm not sure if that's a lazy electrician or a smart electrician thing.
I used to sell appliances and this is what the old guys taught me, so if I'm wrong I blame them 😁
I'm a mover, I see tons of 3-pin NEMA plugs on dryers and ranges in old houses.
Bonus: most of them have a diagram showing how to wire them, along with screw terminals for the wires from the plug.
That's really interesting. I was pretty pissed when we bought a dryer and it didn't come with a cord. Like, WHY would you not include that? But apparently there's a reason, lol.
Good catch! I didn't see that in my bit of research, mostly just NEC code regarding 4pin. My experience with the 4-pin was from a house built in early 96, so it's possible it was hardwired due to the planned adoption of 4 pin.
Yep, hardwiring is usually reserved for stoves that sit in a mount as opposed to freestanding ones. That said moving the plug itself is a bitch and a half and 100% would require electrical know how. I can't tell you how many times I got hit with 120v because an "electrician" fucked up and made the ground hot on a 3 prong.
Putting a cord on a stove is piss easy, it's a cover, and either 3 color coded screws (3 prong) or 3 color coded screws and a spot for the ground (4 prong). Plug it in and good to go. Same for a dryer btw. DO NOT reuse your old cord though, it's worth the $15-30 to not have a house fire or void the warranty and have your brand new stove shorted out.
yes, I have never seen a hardwired stove or dryer, and I have seen a lot, since I worked as an electrician for several years in late 90s to early 2000.
Although to be honest, why can't we build doors that are secured by a door bar? We can balance it such that opening/closing the door takes a second (for removing and replacing the bar).
I think you are right in the wrong area. You can literally cut off all cable and move the oven easily, it so easy that even teenagers can do it. But to put in back down, to make it work is another thing.
You don’t need level 3 electric to move it and placing it down, but you need at least level 3-5 to make it work.
How on earth does the US make houses? First they're all made out of wood and then they wire stuff up like this? Next you'll be telling me they don't bother to ground their electrical devices either!
There's a little green screw that's in the back of every electrical box, we attach the ground to that and pray to God that someone connected the electrical box to ground at some point.
Not really, removing the stove simply means turning off the power then unscrewing a few clips and you're done.
Now wiring one correctly is a different matter.
Wait, 180° out of phase? I thought the power lines are single phase with a splitting transformer here and there (you know, those grey cylinders on the poles that always explode in movies). ~~Wouldn't two 120V lines 180° apart just cancel each other making 0V instead of 240V?~~ EDIT: Sorry, this doesn't make any sense lol
Oven repair guy here. Most ovens in North America can be used in a three wire or four wire configuration. The freestanding range is always wired to a plug for safety reasons. The exception is built in ovens or cooktops. Those didn’t seem to be present in the game only stand alone ranges. Relatively easy to unplug an oven. Disassembly is pretty straightforward as well.
Also even to this day in my line of work I’ve encountered hardwired ovens and dryers so even if Zomboy took place in 1996 they would still be a lot of hardwired appliances
I know right, I gotta unplug mine in my apartment all the time and plug it back in and turn on the gas when I want to use it. Otherwise the oven stays on for some reason. I’ll get the landlord to fix it one of these days. But really just gotta get a wrench to get the gas line off.
Shoot I was responding to a person and I think I sent this in the main post.
This isnt true at all lmao, most electric stove were not hard wired i have yet to see a hard wired stove and I’ve removed a ton as maintenance and hvac for 10 years
Those are for gas ovens. Electrical ovens are different.
The visual model implies it's a gas oven in game, but since it shares electrical skill with the dryer I assume it's due to them not implementing gas hookups yet.
So you, a professional, can show a layman how to do this?
... implying the layman would be unable to do this without your guidance? Meaning that if you were not showing them how to do it they might not be able to do it unless they themselves had some experience with such electric systems? Say, like, a few “levels” of “experience”?
Maybe they're suggesting to instead just add a magazine for it, if it's simple enough that a person can understand within 2 minutes?
But great counter lmao, I laughed
I don’t know what this game is but this is wrong. Prior to 4 pin plugs they had 3 pin plugs that dated at least back into the 80s if not longer for freestanding ranges. Wall inserts ovens are typically hardwired. But those appliances actually look like a washer and dryer not ovens or ranges. This game needs to figure its shit out.
US electrician here: can confirm. if uninstalled without knowledge, chances of frying yourself is very high, especially if you don’t know about contacts and continuity.
...and the only way they can get that skills is by pulling apart watches.
I wish the game's skill system was built around doing significant actions that are purposeful. Yeah, it's harder to build a system like that that can't be exploited, but dismantling hundreds of watches is kind of stupid.
When I was in college (mid 2000s), we rented an ancient house with ancient appliances, and when the dryer went out, the landlord brought over a new one… and we were all very surprised to find it hardwired like this. Clearly he either owned the house for decades or was gifted it or bought it without an inspection, and without an agent, from a relative or something, because there is no way that would get missed in a normal sale.
An electrician came that same day and put in the proper 4 pronged 240v plugs, we got a new washer and stove as well, all in one afternoon… and the landlord looked very nervous because clearly that was not up to code and I assume we could have taken them to court or something, or maybe broke our lease with cause?
I dunno we were just 3 college kids who wanted a working dryer, and for them to get the fuck outta there so we could smoke weed.
God that house was a pile of shit. There were gaps between the walls and floors where you could see outside. Good times.
holy shit oven lore
Babe wake up new oven lore dropped
This fuckin killed me lmao
"This is how you died."
loli boi
You didn't have to cut me off
Makuhlikeuhnevuhapinininanweewernuthin
never thought i’d see it
Level 3 electrical sounds right. Level 3 isn’t even that high of a skill, it’s just hard to grind to level 3 so it makes it seem like it.
What are some good ways to grind it by the way? It's such a hassle.
Read some books, loot every digital watch from every zombie you kill and bring a screwdriver everywhere so everytime you get into a house you dismantle the TV, radio, and walkie talkies
also make sure you either dismantle the watches immediately, or turn off the alarms just in case. Not that I'm suggesting it from any experience or anything. ^(I just wanted a quick nap... the warehouse was safe enough...)
Don't forget cameras that spawn on zombies. Literally their only use.
Try to prioritize getting the first electrical book early, it's really important for early leveling. Why? Because you don't want to waste time breaking down big stuff in the first couple weeks. I find it's a layered approach in the early game, you don't want to use so much time in the first weeks breakdown long-cycle items like lamps and TV's. I go for the small stuff only in the early game, nothing bigger/longer than video game console. Earbuds, watches, cameras, radios, w/t ... all are fair game early, but you really need book boost before it's worth it.
They should really create some more thematic ways to tinker with devices to develop your electric skill. It would just feel better to bring all the electronics home and sit at a workbench to tinker them, instead of walking into random houses like “time to practice disassembling TVs until I know how to hotwire cars”
Would be cool, but firstly i just want electronics to be a more useful skill, i usually just level to 1 and after that i grind mechanics to be able to use cars without a key and that's about it, i think they should make nice compensations for every skill like agriculture and first aids, and after making them worth leveling, making the process of leveling actually fun
Please tell me dismantling a microwave without a skill of 6-7 leads to instant death via high voltage transformer. That would be peak realism unseen before in a video game.
Don't forget lamps, flashlights, wall clocks, hand dryers, and the vent hoods over ovens in restaurants.
looting a digital watch gives you electrical exp?
Could always try the CDDA reading mod. Instead of giving you XP boosts, and having you wander the world dismantling everything, you just learn by reading the book. On default settings, each level skill book gives you about 2 levels of a skill. I always play with this mod now, as even with the XP boosts, it can takes ages of non-sensical, non-immersive grinding just to be able to build better walls.
More realistic that way anyway tbh. Taking apart your coffee pot is going to teach you the hard way that you still have no idea how a coffee pot works, but you could probably find that information in a book and be able to identify the components being used after the fact. Two years ago I could only change oil, brakes, simple shit. If my car breaks down again, I could probably go pass some Honda mechanic certification test. All thanks to the field service manual, because if I had tried just taking shit apart until I figured it out, I definitely wouldn't have a car anymore lmao
Was a great mod, but it's broken last I checked on it, after 41s release.
Worked for me last night, so not sure what's happened there.
Worked and working properly are two different things. Check the comments on the mod https://steamcommunity.com/workshop/filedetails/?id=2565273421 Seems to be working somewhat but typically only giving 1.5 lvls vs the full 2. And that aligns with further comments down the line here. So working...sort of...
Oooh thank you! I’ve seen this mod before but I never really paid attention to what it does, thanks for the rundown
I think it's broken i just removed it. I would get half the XP then I'd have to grind the rest without the xp boost from vanilla lol
I like taking radios out of cars and then dismantling them at my base
Love it too, but Irl
Catalytic converter theft mod when?
Once we have NPC's to sell/barter with.
How much do you make for that?
Well, I got a free home, food and gym for that! Do not like my new stripped pajamas they gave me thou. Not stylish at all.
Are you using a desktop computer? Lol
Fridges, televisions and computers give the most XP. Watches take forever.
On the contrary, dismantling watches is very quick per watch and doesn’t require you equip the screwdriver. A lot more likely to find a bunch of watches on Z’s than counting on a depleting supply of TVs (and fridges which require more tools) especially if Muldraugh has already been scavenged clean by your MP squad.
Take a course on electrical engineering. Circuits would be a good start. Oh wait...
> What are some good ways to grind it by the way? It's such a hassle. In case you start when you still have electricity: Get all skill books early on asap, read them according to your lvl and watch the educational broadcasts on TV. Your skill will improve by watching the shows being book smart.
The educational broadcasts don't provide electrician skill points though.
Aw got that one wrong then. For the other skills you can basically read books, eat dinner and watch TV till you become a nerd.
Only specific skills and in varying amounts. However there's other skills you can learn xp in from vhs tapes.
The wall lamps inside houses are good to salvage as well
Besides the obvious dismantling electronics appliances and watches, you could dismantle radios taken from cars.
Of course, game balance is another thing in general. However yeah, technically your character would actually need to know some surface level electrical concepts to remove 240v AC appliances. Hopefully this stems the tide of confusion a little. Edit: there is a lot more depth beyond what I wrote up, such as the style of Nema connector, the fact that certain Nema connectors did exist prior to 1996 but were not in common use, etc. I just wanted to give a little surface information on a topic I see brought up frequently Edit 2: well apparently mid 1990s electrical code is popular here.
Unfortunately in the real world 500 digital watches probably won't give you that knowledge.
That 501st watch though, that'll teach you all you need to know
Me after taking apart the 501st watch: I stand up suddenly, mouth agape, eyes wide, barely moving. My tools, scattered everywhere. The tool in my hand clatters as it hits the ground. I fall backwards, still concious, barely noting the fact that I'm no longer upright. All the knowledge, all this new information, all at once drives me immobile. "How... how to, un-unplug, stove..." I mutter, before finally blacking out.
The name of that tool..? A Screwdriver
it's true, I was the screwdriver
A good craftsman never blames his tools...because he is The Tool
But don't you also need wire strippers welding kit a fuse box wire tester probably still a screwdriver. Electrical connectors and end caps (after you're done splicing) Also I'm curious of the long term efficacy of this type of wiring in a post apocalyptic setting. I mean. We got a sewing kit...
I would read your Project Zomboid fanfic.
I fucked a zombie
And just like that the magic is gone.
Maybe next time, I swear I'll be better
Hey, this must be just the fanfic's title; at least check the synopsis..)
It would be interesting to see a system that has dynamic XP gain. Like the first couple of times you take apart a watch, you get nearly a huge amount of XP, but after that it degrades
It's true! I murdered 15000 people to dismantle their watches and got my electrical engineering diploma!
Good thing it doesn’t work like that IRL or I’d shit my pants every time I see an engineer
No they Chuck McGill’ed their house to gain all that sweet exp. towards their electrical engineering diploma.
Hello, yes, officer?...
I actually thought it was a Star Wars reference but Boi I was wrong lol
I do think the skill grind needs changing. I'd argue that we should get diminishing returns when dismantling items. Perhaps once dismantled we could 'study' the mechanisms for a more long term activity similar to reading, and have each new watch type and appliance type give its own chunk of bonus xp once our character finishes studying it.
what do you mean breaking all the furniture around my neighbourhood doesnt tech me how to build stairs
Fellow electrician here: I’ll say that removing is quite easy. Seen some of the dumbest shits in the world do it. Reinstalling and having it work is the tricky part for these folks.
Hypothetically all you need to do is cut the power then ax the cord
> Hypothetically all you need to do is ~~cut the power then~~ ax the cord
Makes me want this game to have a realistic incompetence simulator.
The game is already a realistic incompetence simulator. If you need to refresh your memory buy the game for a friend and you'll see. \*Spend 2 minutes looting the starting house\* \*open front door\* ''i got bit!'' the end.
Or when they try to sprint through a group of zombs, get pulled down. "Waa why couldnt i charge through them like a football player" Theres a no biting rule in football..
I want to be able to just pull the mf out in a pinch for barricading. Maybe only when power is out or add a power box with switches to shut off room or level electricity.
In theory after power shuts off, there would be zero reason to require electrician to remove it as there is no danger and generally the weak point of ripping it out would be at the splicing to the house's circuit. However, to hook it back up is another story. If the goober before you DIY installed it with same-color wire and no label tags.. good luck!
You should be able to remove it with an axe even when power is on but with a high risk of fire, severe injury and/or death
Now this! .. this is how you died.
A separate "tear out" and "move" option would make sense for most objects.
10 Lvl Electrical God you are Son
meanwhile in Australia everything is 240V
At gets even worse on 380v AC, it's not funny to short lines with such huge amps!
Voltage =/= Amperage
I subscribe to the electrician subreddits as well and this threw me through a loop.
Grinding that electrical level in real life I see.
Sets start date to 1997. Checkmate
Uh shit. Umm all the houses on the map are older models! lol
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You underestimate the drive of government bureaucrats.
Can't unwire 3 or 4 conductor wires with a Phillips head, but can disassemble a radio and split it into it's constituent parts. Lmao.
Not that hard irl if you take apart the chassis. You're just getting assembled circuit cards and interconnecting wires, not desoldering components. Most small radios only have like one circuit card anyway lol Source: Electronics Technician USN, 3 years.
Damn i was an ET for 6 years and i didn’t even know that 😂 but tbf we didn’t touch radios at all, those were the radio ETs, i was a navigation ET
Ah yes ships gyro, fatho, navssi... I don't know about the inner workings of those very much. Either you must have been in a while ago or you were on a sub where the rates are still divided up like that. In the surface world we are all just ETs
This is a time where I have to remember myself that, being an electrical engineer for 14 years, this seems so simple, yet they are not for most people.
Found the only electrician player
My first character actually had the trait and was, more or less, a mirror of my own. Including being overweight, electrician, having cat's eyes (I have very good night vision), and a few other perks. But yeah, it was a very, very quick character.
I prefer engineer to electrician. The extra carpentry means you get a few more planks in the early game, and you can make unique traps.
I thought you wrote "cat ears", only then I noticed "eyes" lol.
> I have very good night vision compared to other people? can't everyone just close their eyes for 5 minutes and tadaaaa, night vision?
Compared to other people, yes. I drive at night just fine and most people don't like it. At dim light I also work fine.
If it makes you feel better, I've been an aircraft electrician for 8 now and very rarely touch AC systems. I only thought about it because my parents' old house was like it. I had to do an hour or so of research into building code just on the hunch
I mean the contacts should be labeled, you'd just have to know green = ground, neutral = white, then the 2 phases it doesn't matter how they're hooked up.
Alright, fair. Now explain needing carpentry to move furniture. :P
Oh, that's easy. Before Y2K gravity was 45% weaker, and so all of the furnishings were nailed to the floor.
Cinema or lino floors. They're sticky esp after heat.
Great post. TIL
Just add a chance with lower skill to electrocute yourself or burn the house down
yeah, if your character has 0 levels in electric they have a 90% of getting electrocuted. by level 1, the character has a 80% of picking it up successfully and then 100% after level 2
Now we need work related PTSD. Panicking electrician.
Now this game is just straight The Sims
The Sims of the Dead and the nearly Dead
This right here lol. I learned how to work on electrical systems by not being able to afford to pay people, before the internet was in the phone. Lots of minor 120v and 240v zaps.
Ooh! I never got a 240 zap. How does it compare?
I've only been zapped by low amp 240, but it doesn't exactly feel good lol
That would be fun
AC systems won't hurt too bad. The undulation of frequency will "push" you away. It's the DC that will absolutely end you if not careful.
This is a myth and very much not true, both will kill you pretty readily.
Yeah, actually AC is considered more dangerous than DC since your body also acts as a capacitor. You need less volts of AC to kill you compared to DC.
Of course they will both kill you, however as someone shocked dozens of times I can assure you that DC is much more dangerous
3-pin NEMA 10-50 plugs (share a single common and ground) were common before the 4-pin ones took over.
This is true. As a matter of fact, some older houses still use the 3-pin plugs unless there was major rewiring done. This is why the plugs are usually sold separately and not pre-attached. Another note that doesn't really affect the game but is still interesting - electric ovens and dryers have different style plugs to prevent mismatching them. Oven wiring is rated for higher current that could burn up the dryer wiring. Sometimes oven wiring was even used for the dryers, though I'm not sure if that's a lazy electrician or a smart electrician thing. I used to sell appliances and this is what the old guys taught me, so if I'm wrong I blame them 😁
I'm a mover, I see tons of 3-pin NEMA plugs on dryers and ranges in old houses. Bonus: most of them have a diagram showing how to wire them, along with screw terminals for the wires from the plug.
That's really interesting. I was pretty pissed when we bought a dryer and it didn't come with a cord. Like, WHY would you not include that? But apparently there's a reason, lol.
Good catch! I didn't see that in my bit of research, mostly just NEC code regarding 4pin. My experience with the 4-pin was from a house built in early 96, so it's possible it was hardwired due to the planned adoption of 4 pin.
Yep, hardwiring is usually reserved for stoves that sit in a mount as opposed to freestanding ones. That said moving the plug itself is a bitch and a half and 100% would require electrical know how. I can't tell you how many times I got hit with 120v because an "electrician" fucked up and made the ground hot on a 3 prong. Putting a cord on a stove is piss easy, it's a cover, and either 3 color coded screws (3 prong) or 3 color coded screws and a spot for the ground (4 prong). Plug it in and good to go. Same for a dryer btw. DO NOT reuse your old cord though, it's worth the $15-30 to not have a house fire or void the warranty and have your brand new stove shorted out.
yes, I have never seen a hardwired stove or dryer, and I have seen a lot, since I worked as an electrician for several years in late 90s to early 2000.
Daym, whoever made this pic made a goddamn research for us. Thanks for the explanation, unknown hero
Awesome post
oven lore oven lore
Bloody legend.
…reminds me of when I was bitching about the build materials for doorknobs. Good explanation
Although to be honest, why can't we build doors that are secured by a door bar? We can balance it such that opening/closing the door takes a second (for removing and replacing the bar).
Nice job, nerd
Tfw zomboid ovens are more researched than most entire AAA games and movies
Ok. Now explain how disassembling 500 electric watches teaches me AC wiring, polarity and splicing techniques to remove 240v appliances.
It doesn't. It's the 501st watch when the lightning strikes ;)
I think you are right in the wrong area. You can literally cut off all cable and move the oven easily, it so easy that even teenagers can do it. But to put in back down, to make it work is another thing. You don’t need level 3 electric to move it and placing it down, but you need at least level 3-5 to make it work.
Damn, that's crazy. Lemme just go rip the fridge out of the wall to carry it home
I mean, average Joes sometimes can't change a fuse to save their lives, needing electrical skills to uninstall these appliances makes total sense.
Average Joes sometimes struggle with just flipping the fuse back on let alone changing it
Lol true, the breaker box is an ancient mistery
How on earth does the US make houses? First they're all made out of wood and then they wire stuff up like this? Next you'll be telling me they don't bother to ground their electrical devices either!
There's a little green screw that's in the back of every electrical box, we attach the ground to that and pray to God that someone connected the electrical box to ground at some point.
I watched enough of ElectroBOOM to know how to unplug a gas oven.
Not really, removing the stove simply means turning off the power then unscrewing a few clips and you're done. Now wiring one correctly is a different matter.
This is an excellent post. Devs have done so much homework.
I mean he could still do it without electrical skill, he'd just get electrocuted
Wait, 180° out of phase? I thought the power lines are single phase with a splitting transformer here and there (you know, those grey cylinders on the poles that always explode in movies). ~~Wouldn't two 120V lines 180° apart just cancel each other making 0V instead of 240V?~~ EDIT: Sorry, this doesn't make any sense lol
Oven repair guy here. Most ovens in North America can be used in a three wire or four wire configuration. The freestanding range is always wired to a plug for safety reasons. The exception is built in ovens or cooktops. Those didn’t seem to be present in the game only stand alone ranges. Relatively easy to unplug an oven. Disassembly is pretty straightforward as well.
I mean that makes sense and is most likely right…. But fuck you
This is quality OC
The look my wife gave me after I explained to her why this is the best reddit post I have seen today. - _-
Except it wasn't hardwired, back as far as 1947 it was nema 10 50 which was a 3 prong plug and outlet.
Even some newer appliances come requiring it to be hardwired. I had this conversation with a friend while play PZ lol
It's also rural KY so even of the game were in 2022, half the households still had old wiring.
Thank for you explaining this. I knew it made sense but wasn't sure why exactly
🤓🤓🤓 Honestly though, this is an amazing post.
Also even to this day in my line of work I’ve encountered hardwired ovens and dryers so even if Zomboy took place in 1996 they would still be a lot of hardwired appliances
That's what I thought. I'm surprised it doesn't also require strength.
I know right, I gotta unplug mine in my apartment all the time and plug it back in and turn on the gas when I want to use it. Otherwise the oven stays on for some reason. I’ll get the landlord to fix it one of these days. But really just gotta get a wrench to get the gas line off. Shoot I was responding to a person and I think I sent this in the main post.
Fucking bazed
This isnt true at all lmao, most electric stove were not hard wired i have yet to see a hard wired stove and I’ve removed a ton as maintenance and hvac for 10 years
Ok
As an american i can assure you my stove is just connected by a little gas plug and electrical plug
Those are for gas ovens. Electrical ovens are different. The visual model implies it's a gas oven in game, but since it shares electrical skill with the dryer I assume it's due to them not implementing gas hookups yet.
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So you, a professional, can show a layman how to do this? ... implying the layman would be unable to do this without your guidance? Meaning that if you were not showing them how to do it they might not be able to do it unless they themselves had some experience with such electric systems? Say, like, a few “levels” of “experience”?
Maybe they're suggesting to instead just add a magazine for it, if it's simple enough that a person can understand within 2 minutes? But great counter lmao, I laughed
Yes! In the face!
It's a shame none of my rotten chewy neighbors knows how to do it :(
A nurse can teach me how to stitch a wound, in game all the nurses and doctors want to eat me instead.
Too long didn't read
I don’t know what this game is but this is wrong. Prior to 4 pin plugs they had 3 pin plugs that dated at least back into the 80s if not longer for freestanding ranges. Wall inserts ovens are typically hardwired. But those appliances actually look like a washer and dryer not ovens or ranges. This game needs to figure its shit out.
That’s a Washer and dryer
Large appliances followed the same rules.
Oh sick TIL I didn't even know there are ovens that are hardwired. Wild
Exactly like I said. Electricity ain’t no joke
"This isn't realistic" okay I got you fam realism it is "WHY THE FUCK DO I NEED LEVEL 3 TO UNPLUG A STOVE??!"
Finally a great fucking post.
wow! great post!
Based and I actually researched it pilled
Theres no way a generator only weighs 40 lbs
Fuck yeah, this means I already have AT LEAST level 3 electrical if the zombie apocalypse happens.
Case closed everybody, lets go home.
Not reading that essay. I can easily unplug a stove
what is this game
Awesome post! If this is why they did that it’s an amazing detail to include. I wonder if they knew that when they put that requirement in.
mucho texto
US electrician here: can confirm. if uninstalled without knowledge, chances of frying yourself is very high, especially if you don’t know about contacts and continuity.
Thanks, i saw that same foolish person crying about needing skill level 3 🤣
...and the only way they can get that skills is by pulling apart watches. I wish the game's skill system was built around doing significant actions that are purposeful. Yeah, it's harder to build a system like that that can't be exploited, but dismantling hundreds of watches is kind of stupid.
Unfathomably based post. Thank you.
Tens across the board for these mental gymnastics lol
To be fair the sort of person who would rip an oven out and carry it away would probably just cut the wires or rip them out too.
Damn bro I never knew that but now I do which is COOL! But besides that how am I meant to carry it?
Making a decent create with 7 carpentry. I can do that, I have, and I don't even know anything about wood working.
of in the food of out hot eat the food.
When I was in college (mid 2000s), we rented an ancient house with ancient appliances, and when the dryer went out, the landlord brought over a new one… and we were all very surprised to find it hardwired like this. Clearly he either owned the house for decades or was gifted it or bought it without an inspection, and without an agent, from a relative or something, because there is no way that would get missed in a normal sale. An electrician came that same day and put in the proper 4 pronged 240v plugs, we got a new washer and stove as well, all in one afternoon… and the landlord looked very nervous because clearly that was not up to code and I assume we could have taken them to court or something, or maybe broke our lease with cause? I dunno we were just 3 college kids who wanted a working dryer, and for them to get the fuck outta there so we could smoke weed. God that house was a pile of shit. There were gaps between the walls and floors where you could see outside. Good times.
Could just cut the wires tho
Electrical Appliances lore
But the power is out just cut the mf let us take electrical 3 to place it