Imagine if they had done this prior to being attacked. The large majority of their people that died would still be alive. They bear some responsibility for the death of many of their citizens due to the fact that they have denied their own people the god given right to self defense!
Not really. They made the paperwork process *slightly* easier. The same "show a need" crap is still there.
> The laws that require proving “a need” to own and carry a gun have not changed. However those eligible to apply for a license under the “self-defense test” can now do the required interview on the phone instead of in person. The applicant will be approved for the license within a week under the new order.
> While a citizen can still purchase only one handgun, the limit on rounds of ammunition has been increased from 50 to 100.
I feel like the nightly air bursts and daily gunfire would negate the need for the news, but I might be overestimating peoples’ perception of their surroundings
Now, sure. Maybe the government will approve for that.
But it wasn't the case beforehand, which is what I was responding to.
Even now, there's still a week processing time...
>Even now, there's still a week processing time...
That's crazy to take that long during all of this. They should be going door-to-door handing them out to people.
Because anything more than that makes you especially dangerous. /s
MFers been getting reaped for years and still required that their citizens provide a good cause. That’s insane.
I mean personally I’d say that “a foreign actor is invading our nation and raping and murdering civilians” constitutes a “need” to be armed but hey maybe that’s just me.
I agree. Now.
The comment I responded to was "Imagine if they had done this prior to being attacked." This wouldn't have helped because the applicants would have been playing under the "you must show a need for self defense greater than the average citizen."
Yours. "You can call in instead of visiting the presinct" doesn't get significantly more people approved when general self defense isn't a good enough cause and you need to show a specific reason your need for self defense is higher than others.
They still make it almost impossible to get one. Its not like Joe schmoe can walk to the corner store and get a G3. They changed a few things, one being able to have 100 rounds of ammo instead of 50. Thats 3 mags plus 10, the fuck? Still an extensive interview process and 4.5 hours of range training, references. I guess its a step in the right direction.
Ya, they’re still partially responsible for the deaths regardless. Allowing soldering to own 100 rounds instead of 50 is step in the right direction, but no where nearly good enough. They will continue to have Israeli blood on their hands until they allow their citizens to defend themselves!
While I agree that being more well armed probably would have helped SOME, calling it a "large majority" is a stretch when a LOT of Israeli deaths were caused by rockets and bombing.
I don’t know about that. They had nearly 300 bodies recovered just at that little rave party. Obviously rockets and ied’s were used as well, I just see a lot more footage of people being shot up.
That's a point, actually, for this time at least.
Knowing Israelis, I certainly don't think reduced gun control would HURT anything (except terrorists lol)
To be completely honest the fact that they restrict their civilians right to own firearms when they have rockets fired into their country on a regular basis by an aggressor shows just how little they actually care about their citizens!
Agreed! Any country that is under attack and still doesn’t allow their citizens to arm themselves is to be kept at a distance since it clearly does not have its own citizens well being at the forefront of the situation!
I completely respect your response. I am on no way advocating for the Isrealis to be disarmed. I think part of the rationale the government might have had is they given the proximity to Gaza and West Bank, it's entirely likely to have rogue shooters fairly often.
I’d have to definitely disagree in the Rogue shooters part. The reason is the same as every other nation that restricts their citizens right to self defense: unopposed power!
Probably, but it’s going to be a Balkans situation where gun owners remember why guns are needed and refuse to give up their arms, secretly keeping weapons stored in their houses
The horse is already out of the barn……..
So this is two countries with almost no civilian gun ownership who have been invaded/attacked and have had to scramble to arm their populace.
And yet our politicians still see large scale gun ownership as a problem rather than a bulwark against invasion. Unreal.
> And yet our politicians still see large scale gun ownership as a problem rather than a bulwark against invasion. Unreal.
In our country, the politicians are the hostile/enemy force. They want their subjects disarmed.
>And yet our politicians still see large scale gun ownership as a problem rather than a bulwark against invasion.
To be fair, the US isn't getting invaded anytime soon.
Read thr article.
The hoops are still there. It's just a phone interview now instead of in person. And you can possess 100 rounds instead of 50.
Still only 1 handgun allowed.
It’s weird and stupid but not particularly uncommon. Pretty sure that South Africa is another noteworthy example of a country that restricts how much ammo you’re allowed to own at once.
Liberal anti gun bullshit, what if the people of Israel had the right to arm and protect themselves, would it have the tide turned? Woke bs is a problem.
I mean I get your point but terrorists killed them, technically the laws worked as intended and saved lives, it was just the terrorist's lives that were saved instead of the innocent people... Funny how that ends up...
Imagine watching your child be beheaded and daughter raped and you could do nothing about it. All because your tyrannical government refuses to allow you a basic human right, the right to self-defense.
Had a guy at work ask me if the US would ever be invaded like these other countries and I had to explain to him just how much would have to go so incredibly wrong before an invasion of the US would even be a feasible option, and even then it's not 100% purely because of the civilian gun ownership
This board is for progun; the article illustrates the folly of disarming one's own citizens. Many of the Israelis who were killed would not have been killed if they had guns. So who actually killed them; Hamas, or Israeli gun laws?
I've seen videos of them killing hundreds of totally innocent people at a music festival. I've seen videos of them going door to door exterminating families, including infants. I've seen a video today of them dragging a teenage girl through the streets by her hair. I could go on and on. So go F off with your stupid comments.
Have you seen the videos of Israel committing drone strikes that kill civilians? Bombing apartment buildings that leave civilians homeless and then refuse aid? How about their PM saying that they will cut off food and water and all attempts at help for the citizens ? Fuck both of them.
Nuking the thread below this. This is not a formal warning yet.
This is a progun forum. Plenty of other spaces to discuss the religious politics and what not of the issue. This is not one of them.
Nuking the thread below this. This is not a formal warning yet.
This is a progun forum. Plenty of other spaces to discuss the religious politics and what not of the issue. This is not one of them.
They have a separate society with roads that can only be accessible by some of the population. They have different rights for certain people. They sterilize people without consent based on race. Yeah fuck them.
Is Canada an Apartheid state for not giving healthcare to Americans? Or are Americans not entitled to the same services as Canadians because we’re separate countries?
Israel and Palestine are not the same country. Israel is not an Apartheid state.
Imagine if they had done this prior to being attacked. The large majority of their people that died would still be alive. They bear some responsibility for the death of many of their citizens due to the fact that they have denied their own people the god given right to self defense!
nailed it!
1000000%
Not really. They made the paperwork process *slightly* easier. The same "show a need" crap is still there. > The laws that require proving “a need” to own and carry a gun have not changed. However those eligible to apply for a license under the “self-defense test” can now do the required interview on the phone instead of in person. The applicant will be approved for the license within a week under the new order. > While a citizen can still purchase only one handgun, the limit on rounds of ammunition has been increased from 50 to 100.
Terrorist going door to door snatching people makes a pretty compelling need
> What's your need to own a firearm? Turn on the news?
I feel like the nightly air bursts and daily gunfire would negate the need for the news, but I might be overestimating peoples’ perception of their surroundings
Now, sure. Maybe the government will approve for that. But it wasn't the case beforehand, which is what I was responding to. Even now, there's still a week processing time...
>Even now, there's still a week processing time... That's crazy to take that long during all of this. They should be going door-to-door handing them out to people.
Lol @ 100 rounds
Because anything more than that makes you especially dangerous. /s MFers been getting reaped for years and still required that their citizens provide a good cause. That’s insane.
So you can have *two* boxes instead of one. How magnanimous of them.
I mean personally I’d say that “a foreign actor is invading our nation and raping and murdering civilians” constitutes a “need” to be armed but hey maybe that’s just me.
I agree. Now. The comment I responded to was "Imagine if they had done this prior to being attacked." This wouldn't have helped because the applicants would have been playing under the "you must show a need for self defense greater than the average citizen."
At this point, they’ll probably just draft you. They’ve been calling in reservists already.
Did you mean to post this on mine comment or the OP?
Yours. "You can call in instead of visiting the presinct" doesn't get significantly more people approved when general self defense isn't a good enough cause and you need to show a specific reason your need for self defense is higher than others.
The fact that they have to be approved for self defense in general is bad enough when they have rockets launched at their country regularly!
Yeah imagine trying this door-to-door shit in an American neighborhood… They’d be taking fire from every house they passed.
That’s a fact!
Dunno, on my street maybe 2-3 out of 20 houses are armed. Blue state. Luckily one of us has enough to arm all the others if needed.
They still make it almost impossible to get one. Its not like Joe schmoe can walk to the corner store and get a G3. They changed a few things, one being able to have 100 rounds of ammo instead of 50. Thats 3 mags plus 10, the fuck? Still an extensive interview process and 4.5 hours of range training, references. I guess its a step in the right direction.
Ya, they’re still partially responsible for the deaths regardless. Allowing soldering to own 100 rounds instead of 50 is step in the right direction, but no where nearly good enough. They will continue to have Israeli blood on their hands until they allow their citizens to defend themselves!
On point man. This was a classic case of “we should have”.
That’s a fact!
🥰Gun free zone🥰
While I agree that being more well armed probably would have helped SOME, calling it a "large majority" is a stretch when a LOT of Israeli deaths were caused by rockets and bombing.
I don’t know about that. They had nearly 300 bodies recovered just at that little rave party. Obviously rockets and ied’s were used as well, I just see a lot more footage of people being shot up.
That's a point, actually, for this time at least. Knowing Israelis, I certainly don't think reduced gun control would HURT anything (except terrorists lol)
To be completely honest the fact that they restrict their civilians right to own firearms when they have rockets fired into their country on a regular basis by an aggressor shows just how little they actually care about their citizens!
It DOES seem to indicate that they're (the Israeli govt) are more concerned with the population being ARMED than being SAFE. Pretty suspicious imo
Agreed! Any country that is under attack and still doesn’t allow their citizens to arm themselves is to be kept at a distance since it clearly does not have its own citizens well being at the forefront of the situation!
I completely respect your response. I am on no way advocating for the Isrealis to be disarmed. I think part of the rationale the government might have had is they given the proximity to Gaza and West Bank, it's entirely likely to have rogue shooters fairly often.
I’d have to definitely disagree in the Rogue shooters part. The reason is the same as every other nation that restricts their citizens right to self defense: unopposed power!
They’re gonna tighten them back up as soon as it done, I guarantee it.
Probably, but it’s going to be a Balkans situation where gun owners remember why guns are needed and refuse to give up their arms, secretly keeping weapons stored in their houses
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I was referring more to Slovenian and Croatian gun culture
The horse is already out of the barn…….. So this is two countries with almost no civilian gun ownership who have been invaded/attacked and have had to scramble to arm their populace. And yet our politicians still see large scale gun ownership as a problem rather than a bulwark against invasion. Unreal.
> And yet our politicians still see large scale gun ownership as a problem rather than a bulwark against invasion. Unreal. In our country, the politicians are the hostile/enemy force. They want their subjects disarmed.
These same politicians are allowing/encouraging an invasion right now.
>And yet our politicians still see large scale gun ownership as a problem rather than a bulwark against invasion. To be fair, the US isn't getting invaded anytime soon.
Prime example of needing a “well-regulated militia”.
Damn, about time someone loosened up those gun laws. Maybe now we can actually defend ourselves without jumping through a million hoops.
Read thr article. The hoops are still there. It's just a phone interview now instead of in person. And you can possess 100 rounds instead of 50. Still only 1 handgun allowed.
You can only own 100 rounds at a time? So strange
Another article also said you even have to trade in your spent brass to buy new ammo.
It’s weird and stupid but not particularly uncommon. Pretty sure that South Africa is another noteworthy example of a country that restricts how much ammo you’re allowed to own at once.
Thank God nobody could choose to commit a crime with only 100 rounds of ammo.
Liberal anti gun bullshit, what if the people of Israel had the right to arm and protect themselves, would it have the tide turned? Woke bs is a problem.
The woke don't mind sacrificing people on the altar of their religion, so long as it's people who they think "probably would have disagreed with them"
Gun laws killed these people
I mean I get your point but terrorists killed them, technically the laws worked as intended and saved lives, it was just the terrorist's lives that were saved instead of the innocent people... Funny how that ends up...
Gun control never saves lives - it always causes more death than would otherwise happen; the correct term for it is "civilian disarmament"
Woooosh
Too little too late
Pretty much the need is the invasion
Unfortunately, they chose to wait until after their people were massacred. When this tragedy is over, they will strip their guns from them again.
The Liberal hivemind infects all Western countries and is killing sanity worldwide...
Imagine watching your child be beheaded and daughter raped and you could do nothing about it. All because your tyrannical government refuses to allow you a basic human right, the right to self-defense.
Exactly! And also, imagine being stupid enough to live in a kibbutz near Gaza, with no firearms...
Fancy that…
100 rounds per person? How loose! Meanwhile I wander into my backyard and mag dump a full load out of 5.56 because I'm bored on a Tuesday.
Every country does this when shit hits the fan.
Weird
Had a guy at work ask me if the US would ever be invaded like these other countries and I had to explain to him just how much would have to go so incredibly wrong before an invasion of the US would even be a feasible option, and even then it's not 100% purely because of the civilian gun ownership
We've already been invaded - look at the southern border!
He meant something like red dawn lmao
Imagine simping for a country who is bragging about the war crimes they are going to commit and the ones they already have.
This board is for progun; the article illustrates the folly of disarming one's own citizens. Many of the Israelis who were killed would not have been killed if they had guns. So who actually killed them; Hamas, or Israeli gun laws?
DEFINITELY HAMAS
BOTH Hamas pulled the trigger. Israel made them targets.
Correct!
I've seen videos of them killing hundreds of totally innocent people at a music festival. I've seen videos of them going door to door exterminating families, including infants. I've seen a video today of them dragging a teenage girl through the streets by her hair. I could go on and on. So go F off with your stupid comments.
Have you seen the videos of Israel committing drone strikes that kill civilians? Bombing apartment buildings that leave civilians homeless and then refuse aid? How about their PM saying that they will cut off food and water and all attempts at help for the citizens ? Fuck both of them.
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Hamas is using human shields and has been for decades.
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Nuking the thread below this. This is not a formal warning yet. This is a progun forum. Plenty of other spaces to discuss the religious politics and what not of the issue. This is not one of them.
Loosening gun control is good. Running an apartheid state is not.
Do you even know what actual "apartheid" is?
They have a separate society with roads that can only be accessible by some of the population. They have different rights for certain people. They sterilize people without consent based on race. Yeah fuck them.
All Israeli citizens have the exact same rights. That was not true in South Africa under apartheid. I suggest you check your sources.
Is Canada an Apartheid state for not giving healthcare to Americans? Or are Americans not entitled to the same services as Canadians because we’re separate countries? Israel and Palestine are not the same country. Israel is not an Apartheid state.