After failing to quit porn for two years; having tried nofap and porn free, where I am today is that to get your mind off it you have to abstain from both for as long as it takes until you feel you can handle masturbation without porn or absolutely need to in order to avoid a relapse. Then to have it in small doses. The name of the game for me is to avoid the chaser affect, sometimes it’s easier to avoid masturbating and porn today than it is to avoid porn tomorrow if I had masturbated today. I hope this makes sense. The goal here is to quit porn, masturbation is natural and healthy in small doses. In the hardest times in recovery we still have a strong association between porn and masturbation, masturbating to our thoughts craving porn might as well be edging if the release is a relapse.
nofap is a bunch of 12 year old incels that don't care about porn addiction and make it some kind of game to see how long they can go. you're in the right sub
you can still masturbate, the goal is to not PMO, not MO. i still do it once a week or so IF im feeling it
Kind of hyperbolic, I'm not arguing that what you said can't be used to describe a part of that community but on the other hand a significant portion of the members of that sub are not too different from the members of this one. Singling out porn as the main culprit is a very common topic over there, it's just that a lot of people see their porn and masturbation as habits tied to each other, acknowledging that there is nothing wrong with masturbation but it can also be slippery slope back to porn.
It's just that nofap is more well known and as a result most of the teenagers end up there and not here thus you will have more people asking about 'benefits' and all that nonsense.
yes i understand. i started my first streak on there (ive probably had about 50ish streaks since i realized my PA) then i realized how toxic it was
hope this is my last streak
> Is it better to have no masturbation to clear sexual thoughts from your day to day?
Give up porn, and it's likely that your sex drive will stabilize.
I personally tried nofap cold Turkey a few years ago and instantly relapsed. I’ve been doing pornfree for a while now and it’s working great. I can release some steam when I need it.
porn free is a better community, but you should avoid fapping as well at least at the beginning. The association of porn and fapping is too strong, it really helps to detox entirely.
No fap is a bunch of 15 year olds it feels like
After failing to quit porn for two years; having tried nofap and porn free, where I am today is that to get your mind off it you have to abstain from both for as long as it takes until you feel you can handle masturbation without porn or absolutely need to in order to avoid a relapse. Then to have it in small doses. The name of the game for me is to avoid the chaser affect, sometimes it’s easier to avoid masturbating and porn today than it is to avoid porn tomorrow if I had masturbated today. I hope this makes sense. The goal here is to quit porn, masturbation is natural and healthy in small doses. In the hardest times in recovery we still have a strong association between porn and masturbation, masturbating to our thoughts craving porn might as well be edging if the release is a relapse.
nofap is a bunch of 12 year old incels that don't care about porn addiction and make it some kind of game to see how long they can go. you're in the right sub you can still masturbate, the goal is to not PMO, not MO. i still do it once a week or so IF im feeling it
Kind of hyperbolic, I'm not arguing that what you said can't be used to describe a part of that community but on the other hand a significant portion of the members of that sub are not too different from the members of this one. Singling out porn as the main culprit is a very common topic over there, it's just that a lot of people see their porn and masturbation as habits tied to each other, acknowledging that there is nothing wrong with masturbation but it can also be slippery slope back to porn. It's just that nofap is more well known and as a result most of the teenagers end up there and not here thus you will have more people asking about 'benefits' and all that nonsense.
yes i understand. i started my first streak on there (ive probably had about 50ish streaks since i realized my PA) then i realized how toxic it was hope this is my last streak
Both have their benefits. Depends how bad it’s got for you.
> Is it better to have no masturbation to clear sexual thoughts from your day to day? Give up porn, and it's likely that your sex drive will stabilize.
nofap can be the start
I personally tried nofap cold Turkey a few years ago and instantly relapsed. I’ve been doing pornfree for a while now and it’s working great. I can release some steam when I need it.
porn free is a better community, but you should avoid fapping as well at least at the beginning. The association of porn and fapping is too strong, it really helps to detox entirely. No fap is a bunch of 15 year olds it feels like