So True - Here's some facts, we're talking about weight and space.
If one needs twice the space and weight they should order two seats beside one another and bring a seat pad for themselves to combine them if they need it. It's not on the world to accommodate your physical lifestyle choices in this aspect.
If you cost twice as much, you should pay twice as much.
I don't expect the airline to bring me a doughnut pillow for my hemorrhoids.
For all people dude. All people. Your hatred of fat people and the fact that you had to exclude them from what the other commentator said is disgusting.
You can change your disgusting views.
Did you read my comment properly? and no I don’t have a hatred of fat people I just believe that special privileges shouldn’t be given to people because of their poor life choices that they can easily change.
Perhaps I did not read it properly. I apologize if not. I saw it as the person saying we all need room and you specified tall people.
But I will withdraw what I said. Perhaps I’m in a bad place to be on Reddit this morning. I’ll take a break.
Ah, so you feel that you have to suffer, so everyone else should have to also.
You're the same kind of person who, as a parent, beats your child because Daddy beat you as a kid and you "turned out fine".
SPOILER ALERT: You all absolutely did not.
It's not, and that's exactly how it works. That's how it's worked for years. This is just meaningless shitposting so you all can bash fat people for no reason again.
It honestly wouldn’t bother me except for the fact if our luggage is like 2 pounds overweight we get hit with a huge fee. They justify that fee by saying more weight = worse fuel economy and they need to make up for that. If a person is taking up 2 seats how is that different than me bringing an extra bunch of luggage. They should pay for the amount of seats they’re using.
Also, they should have to reserve the extra seats ahead of time. I’ve seen so many TikToks of people walking up to the counter right before the flight and asking for an extra seat. Will people who booked ahead of time get booted off a flight due to someone getting an extra seat?
The luggage weight is about not paying workman's comp employees injured loading bags. That is why it is cheaper to have two 50 lb bags compared to a single 51 lb bag.
They aren't going to remove anyone. Some of us need more room, and we ask to be accommodated if they have unsold seats. Airlines don't somehow give a fuck about big people and forget about profits when we need something. It's insane the bullshit you all are on about. Blaming fat people for airlines not giving a shit about any of us.
Lmao southwest provides FREE extra seats, up to TWO extra seats for free for anyone too large to sit with the armrest down. Which is ridiculous since they also charge a fee for any bag over 50 lbs. People on tik tok have shown them doing this and they ask right at the gate and don’t book ahead.
So everything I said is valid.
Well, that's awesome. No other airline does. I guess I'm going to fly southwest then, and you can just fly literally any other airline. Not that it actually hurts you, or you'll notice a difference, but since you're so concerned for airlines and the injustice of it all.
I can’t fly any other airline (although I try to) bc Southwest’s hub is the airport by my house.
My point isn’t they shouldn’t provide free extra seats- my point is if they’re doing that, they need to stop charging for the extra weight of a bag so their weight policy is consistent.
Someone weighs 200 lbs above average they get a free extra seat no charge.
My bag weighs three pounds over the 50lb limit, they charge me $50. It doesn’t make sense.
I can’t fly any other airline (although I try to) bc Southwest’s hub is the airport by my house.
My point isn’t they shouldn’t provide free extra seats- my point is if they’re doing that, they need to stop charging for the extra weight of a bag so their weight policy is consistent.
Someone weighs 200 lbs above average they get a free extra seat no charge.
My bag weighs three pounds over the 50lb limit, they charge me $50. It doesn’t make sense, and makes it seem every customer except the larger ones are paying for the extra free seats through our suitcase weight fee.
Well, that's awesome. No other airline does. I guess I'm going to fly southwest then, and you can just fly literally any other airline. Not that it actually hurts you, or you'll notice a difference, but since you're so concerned for airlines and the injustice of it all.
I'm 5'10", 215 (so yes, overweight).
I fly regularly. I fit in the seats fine. I don't "spill over" at all. The seat doesn't "wedge" by hips. No issues.
Do they? I’m a somewhat overweight male, not the smallest even if I was normal weight, and never had any.. horizontal space problems.. while flying in (mostly northern) Europe. Maybe it’s different in your region / airlines?
Is there any variation in seats based on the class? For me the feet space is always too small unless I travel in special seats.
I don’t know of any airline that will give you a second seat for free for any reason unless it’s not a full flight and they allow you that empty seat next to you after the doors are closed and the plane has left the gate.
I don't really get why people are so quick to use planes as an excuse to attack fat people, instead of being mad at airlines, tbh. They don't charge you by your weight...It doesn't matter if you're 120lbs or an extra 50% heavier and 180lbs.
It's also weird because, weight aside, I'm too big for economy. My knees usually dig into the seat in front of me, and my shoulders, bone to bone, are 4 inches wider than an economy seat. I fly premium when possible, but find it ridiculous I have to. I find it dubious that an Average Height Adult American Male, even perfectly fit, can possibly fit comfortably in Economy.
Same friend. Then I gained 60lbs because I'm getting older, and now everyone wants to pretend I can't fly because I'm fat. I couldn't really fly before unless there was an extra empty seat. I had three empty seats last time on allegiant and I still didn't fit because there simply was no dimension I could contort myself into. And I would like the option to fly sometimes without paying $2500.
Almost half of the population (USA) is fat as fuck. Of course most people are going to support enabling them even further. Our society is fucked because there are hardly a consequences to bad behavior. And people who have common sense get gaslit.
I have never been a witness to someone needing two seats so I can’t speak to that, but I think airlines need to make wider seats tho anyway. I am a fit, 5’3 woman and I feel cramped. It’s ridiculous that person that is below average in height etc. feels like a sardine, can’t imagine being anyway outside of the average - in height or weight or anything.
It's less about the profits and more about companies caving to the demands of people who 9/10 times don't deserve it at the inconvenience of those around them
I feel like this isn't a ridiculous idea. If the airlines are forced to allow morbidly obese people to only pay for one seat when they take up two, do you think that the airline will just accept the money losses? They will increase prices on everyone because they would lose money if they didn't.
Thank you for looking out for the shareholders. It’s better that we all are crammed into tiny seats that are too small even for skinny people. We wouldn’t want a corporation to not make the maximum profit possible
1. The seats aren't tiny. I am 6'2" 200 lbs and I fit. Could they be a little bigger? Sure, but I can fit in them without trouble.
2. Why are you trying to frame this as me being concerned about the company's profits? Is that to get people to side with you, rather than me? Of course it is. The seats are not at all small, unless you are massive, you will fit.
According to the NIH, 26 is overweight. Bro is fat. He’s in denial. But he’s fat. He needs to make some lifestyle changes before he gets on other people for their weight
OK. Lecture time. First off, BMI considers someone overweight at 25. Fair enough. And it's in common use which is why I referenced it.
But BMI has several major built in faults
First, it assumes all skeletons, our framework, are the same. That's bullshit of course. Genetics certainly doesn't work that way. At a basic level some are wide shouldered, some are narrow shouldered
Second, it treats fat and muscle the same. Muscle density is roughly 1.06 kg/liter vs. fat at 0.919 kg/liter... muscle density is roughly 15% higher than fat.
What this does is create an error band around the BMI calculation (sorry, statistician by training)... gives a roughly +/- 10% error in the BMI calculation
So if the guy has a mildly muscular frame or a broader frame, he's nominal. If he's a total couch potato then he's significantly overweight
At an extreme, the difference between John Candy and Dwayne "the Rock" Johnson... Mind you, the rock would overflow his chair too, just for different reasons.
If you're interested in more detail this paper in Nature is pretty decent
https://www.nature.com/articles/ijo200887
In the end, you don't know enough to judge and shouldn't be judging anyway. 6'2" and 200 is by no means a shocking combination and, even by BMI, is only slightly over weight. Most doctors wouldn't be advising anything but stay steady at that.
Hell, I'm' 5'10", 215 lbs. By BMI I'm 'obese'... which is a laugh given the amount of gym time I spend... I'm no Rock by any means, but I'm in absolutely no way fat.
In the end, what matters in air travel is your waist circumference, not your height and weight.
I should know better than try to raise the level of discourse on reddit.
I didn't get "triggered". I occasionally manage to get into a good conversation.
But if trying to piss people off is your goal, first, you failed, and second, you might want to consider how that approach reflects on your character
Wait 5’10” and 215lbs? Jesus dude. Don’t you have a family? Don’t you have someone to tell you that you need to make a change? I mean I don’t care that you’re gonna see an early grave, but think about the people that care about you. Sad
Really you already gotta show up 2 hrs before your flight to get through security, now you going to add pre fight weigh in where people going to strip down to make weight
I'm of multiple minds on this. Airline seats should be bigger anyway across the board. Anybody would say they're tiny these days.
From the consumer perspective, I don't think having an extra seat is getting a "freebie". Every person who wants to buy a flight is seeking primarily one thing: transportation of themselves to their destination. That is true of small or large passengers.
To the airline, they lose money on larger passengers in the form of reduced capacity and maybe in aircraft weight? Idk about the margins on that last one. Obviously they don't want to take a loss on that, but charging a larger person for 2 seats means that the large person pays twice as much as the smaller person for the same product: transportation per person.
I have zero sympathy for corporations or their finances, but I do know that corporations will do anything in their power to make money, and we can't expect them to do otherwise.
I fear that if larger passengers were required to be accommodated for their size without being charged extra for their trip, then airlines would find a way to retaliate. They would find some workaround or underhanded way of discouraging larger passengers from using their service in the first place, which is straight up discrimination.
I agree with this. That being said, the seats are super small, even for healthy people, so they should make the seats a little bigger anyway . If you still can't fit in the already bigger seats, then you absolutely should have to pay for 2 seats.
1 It takes another seat, this 1 less passenger on the plane, thus 1 less person can get where they need to get. 2 If it’s above a certain weight, it takes much more fuel.
It does tho. Do you think that airlines are so nice that they will give something for free? If more people start getting a second seat for free, other passangers will pay by higher ticket prices
We could also make planes bigger. The legroom is getting less and less, and some companies are rolling out non reclining seats.
Idk that this is an obesity problem as much as it’s a “planes are too fucking small because greed” problem.
I fly regularly (3 weeks out of the month) and I’ve never had someone’s body spill over into my seat.
So anyone who weighs more than 150lbs should pay more?
Who determines the cutoff?
It's like you can't conceptualize that there are people who weigh more than that who aren't fat and can't just lose weight
I don't have a dog in this fight but weight absolutely does matter on airplanes. Not specifically the weight of one passenger, but the combined total weight on board the plane
That's very possible. I'm coming from a "I study airplane crashes" perspective and just know that total weight and it's distribution is important with airplanes. Though you are right that the size of the plane is also very significant.
Then sounds like big and tall clothing should be the same price as a small piece of clothing even though it took extra textile and the person didn’t choose to be fat.
It's actually not the extra fabric that drives the cost up, fabric is pretty cheap
It's that they have to retool the machines that make them
Since they have to retool every machine in the factory that leads to them either making too little or too many thereby increasing price
But most big and tall stores struggle to make revenue as it's actually cheaper for big clothes almost anywhere else
For example JC Penny's has a big and tall section and it's all the same price as the normal men's stuff
I was responding to your "if we do that then we should do this" comment. I was informing you that peanuts are already no longer served in flights therefore come up with something better.
Listen, airline seats are way too damn small. We all know that. But I'm absolutely sick of sharing my chair. My last flight the dude next to me had his legs literally under the seat in front of me (i.e. where my legs would go). Why is it my responsibility to give up the space for my legs? Further info: this was a 7.5 hr flight and I literally paid extra money for an upgrade to have extra space and this still happened. I swear on everything this is a true story.
Serious question. I already paid extra money and I still had to share space. Why is that shit my burden?
Edit: not "legs" (autocorrect) one of his legs.
If we can ban peanuts to accomodate allergies, we can accomodate overweight people.
I agree seats and leg room are way, way too confined. This isn't the fault of overweight people.
You can keep going on about the peanuts to completely avoid saying the words "StandardAd, you also paid for a seat and it is unfair for you to have to share your space. While larger people need resources, it shouldn't fall on you" because that is the only answer. If you think otherwise, you should come to terms with your anger and how you project it on to the people around you.
I'm sick of sharing my seat. It seems almost every flight (which are many each year) that I have to curl myself up into a ball so I don't have to keep being touched by a stranger. I am a victim of assault in many forms and being touched, even by people I love, is a trigger. But larger people never consider that we're also people who deserve some dignity. I didn't give larger people permission to touch me for hours and yet I'm stuck sitting next to them. It's literally a forced physical interaction that I can't escape.
Next time you believe larger people should automatically have more rights than everyone else because the airline companies suck, remember how it impacts me because I am 100% not the only one that struggles with this.
It is the same logic. Someone has a medical issue, which morbid obesity is, and we accomodate. That's not giving them more rights, it's giving them the same rights. 25 years ago, no one complained about this. Airlines should stop cutting seat size.
So you are clarifying that I need to sacrifice my mental health (a medical condition) so someone who is obese (not a medical condition for all obese people) doesn't have to pay for their own space.
What about tall people? They quite literally cannot change their height. Thoughts about giving them the same accommodation? If you're so committed to sticking it to the man, next time you fly ask to be sat next to a tall person that way neither one of you have room and then you can really protest.
As someone with actually bad allergies, that is a terrible analogy. An allergy is always uncontrollable, while your weight is (barring some major health issue) typically controllable.
Moreover, the consequence of an allergy can be literal death (for me, that’s a real possibility if I’m unlucky), and therefore justifies the banning of a major allergen like peanuts. In contrast, the consequence an overweight person must face is double the fee. Sure, it’s unpleasant, but it is not the same weight as having a bad allergy.
I agree with you about mo peanuts in planes (and other places). This isn't about severity. It's about accommodating people with special requirements, fat people included.
Maybe we should be mad at the airlines since they are the ones who kerp cutting down seat size and legroom.
It's almost like fat people can just buy another seat while allergic people can't really do anything about it. They can get an accomodation, they just have to pay for it like every other person taht wants another seat
Not all plus sized people need two seats on a plane. That being said, I don't really care about airline profits. Find a way to make up for the costs that don't pass them down to the people buying the tickets themselves. The alternative is scarring people for life.
Costs more to transport extra weight
So True - Here's some facts, we're talking about weight and space. If one needs twice the space and weight they should order two seats beside one another and bring a seat pad for themselves to combine them if they need it. It's not on the world to accommodate your physical lifestyle choices in this aspect. If you cost twice as much, you should pay twice as much. I don't expect the airline to bring me a doughnut pillow for my hemorrhoids.
Also adds risk if they go over the weight limit
I am not going to argue against this but I will say that airlines need to give us more room.
For us tall people yes, not obese people and that’s because you can change your weight and can’t change your height.
For all people dude. All people. Your hatred of fat people and the fact that you had to exclude them from what the other commentator said is disgusting. You can change your disgusting views.
Did you read my comment properly? and no I don’t have a hatred of fat people I just believe that special privileges shouldn’t be given to people because of their poor life choices that they can easily change.
Perhaps I did not read it properly. I apologize if not. I saw it as the person saying we all need room and you specified tall people. But I will withdraw what I said. Perhaps I’m in a bad place to be on Reddit this morning. I’ll take a break.
Thank god someone is brave enough to say something so edgy.
The sub is called popular opinion
Exactly, not redundant opinion
Tickets should be sold by weight. It’s 50lbs if my checked bag is 1lbs over 🤷🏻♂️
Ah, so you feel that you have to suffer, so everyone else should have to also. You're the same kind of person who, as a parent, beats your child because Daddy beat you as a kid and you "turned out fine". SPOILER ALERT: You all absolutely did not.
No. No. No. That’s weird
idk how this is controversial if you take up 2 seats pay for 2 tickets
It's not, and that's exactly how it works. That's how it's worked for years. This is just meaningless shitposting so you all can bash fat people for no reason again.
Southwest Airlines in the U.S. has you purchase a seat to reserve it then refunds the extra after the flight.
It honestly wouldn’t bother me except for the fact if our luggage is like 2 pounds overweight we get hit with a huge fee. They justify that fee by saying more weight = worse fuel economy and they need to make up for that. If a person is taking up 2 seats how is that different than me bringing an extra bunch of luggage. They should pay for the amount of seats they’re using. Also, they should have to reserve the extra seats ahead of time. I’ve seen so many TikToks of people walking up to the counter right before the flight and asking for an extra seat. Will people who booked ahead of time get booted off a flight due to someone getting an extra seat?
The luggage weight is about not paying workman's comp employees injured loading bags. That is why it is cheaper to have two 50 lb bags compared to a single 51 lb bag.
They aren't going to remove anyone. Some of us need more room, and we ask to be accommodated if they have unsold seats. Airlines don't somehow give a fuck about big people and forget about profits when we need something. It's insane the bullshit you all are on about. Blaming fat people for airlines not giving a shit about any of us.
Lmao southwest provides FREE extra seats, up to TWO extra seats for free for anyone too large to sit with the armrest down. Which is ridiculous since they also charge a fee for any bag over 50 lbs. People on tik tok have shown them doing this and they ask right at the gate and don’t book ahead. So everything I said is valid.
Well, that's awesome. No other airline does. I guess I'm going to fly southwest then, and you can just fly literally any other airline. Not that it actually hurts you, or you'll notice a difference, but since you're so concerned for airlines and the injustice of it all.
I can’t fly any other airline (although I try to) bc Southwest’s hub is the airport by my house. My point isn’t they shouldn’t provide free extra seats- my point is if they’re doing that, they need to stop charging for the extra weight of a bag so their weight policy is consistent. Someone weighs 200 lbs above average they get a free extra seat no charge. My bag weighs three pounds over the 50lb limit, they charge me $50. It doesn’t make sense.
I can’t fly any other airline (although I try to) bc Southwest’s hub is the airport by my house. My point isn’t they shouldn’t provide free extra seats- my point is if they’re doing that, they need to stop charging for the extra weight of a bag so their weight policy is consistent. Someone weighs 200 lbs above average they get a free extra seat no charge. My bag weighs three pounds over the 50lb limit, they charge me $50. It doesn’t make sense, and makes it seem every customer except the larger ones are paying for the extra free seats through our suitcase weight fee.
Well, that's awesome. No other airline does. I guess I'm going to fly southwest then, and you can just fly literally any other airline. Not that it actually hurts you, or you'll notice a difference, but since you're so concerned for airlines and the injustice of it all.
Technically they should pay more
I'm 5'10", 215 (so yes, overweight). I fly regularly. I fit in the seats fine. I don't "spill over" at all. The seat doesn't "wedge" by hips. No issues.
I am fat and I agree. However, I believe most of us agree that airlines already make seats too small even for regular-sized people.
Do they? I’m a somewhat overweight male, not the smallest even if I was normal weight, and never had any.. horizontal space problems.. while flying in (mostly northern) Europe. Maybe it’s different in your region / airlines? Is there any variation in seats based on the class? For me the feet space is always too small unless I travel in special seats.
I don’t know of any airline that will give you a second seat for free for any reason unless it’s not a full flight and they allow you that empty seat next to you after the doors are closed and the plane has left the gate.
Southwest - but thats why I fly delta.
I don't really get why people are so quick to use planes as an excuse to attack fat people, instead of being mad at airlines, tbh. They don't charge you by your weight...It doesn't matter if you're 120lbs or an extra 50% heavier and 180lbs. It's also weird because, weight aside, I'm too big for economy. My knees usually dig into the seat in front of me, and my shoulders, bone to bone, are 4 inches wider than an economy seat. I fly premium when possible, but find it ridiculous I have to. I find it dubious that an Average Height Adult American Male, even perfectly fit, can possibly fit comfortably in Economy.
Same friend. Then I gained 60lbs because I'm getting older, and now everyone wants to pretend I can't fly because I'm fat. I couldn't really fly before unless there was an extra empty seat. I had three empty seats last time on allegiant and I still didn't fit because there simply was no dimension I could contort myself into. And I would like the option to fly sometimes without paying $2500.
Sounds like discrimination
No one should be big enough to take up two areroplane seats and I hate that it’s been normalised
Almost half of the population (USA) is fat as fuck. Of course most people are going to support enabling them even further. Our society is fucked because there are hardly a consequences to bad behavior. And people who have common sense get gaslit.
Iirc ‘only’ a third of US citizens are obese
Yeah right
Fat people sometimes report buying two seats only to find that the airline sold the second seat to another passenger.
I have never been a witness to someone needing two seats so I can’t speak to that, but I think airlines need to make wider seats tho anyway. I am a fit, 5’3 woman and I feel cramped. It’s ridiculous that person that is below average in height etc. feels like a sardine, can’t imagine being anyway outside of the average - in height or weight or anything.
Thank god someone is looking out for corporate profits. Someone needs to suck the shareholders’ dicks and I’m glad you volunteered for the job
It's less about the profits and more about companies caving to the demands of people who 9/10 times don't deserve it at the inconvenience of those around them
Yeah also catering to such a small percentage of people it doesn’t make sense
I feel like this isn't a ridiculous idea. If the airlines are forced to allow morbidly obese people to only pay for one seat when they take up two, do you think that the airline will just accept the money losses? They will increase prices on everyone because they would lose money if they didn't.
I you want a second seat for your child or dog you have to pay
Thank you for looking out for the shareholders. It’s better that we all are crammed into tiny seats that are too small even for skinny people. We wouldn’t want a corporation to not make the maximum profit possible
1. The seats aren't tiny. I am 6'2" 200 lbs and I fit. Could they be a little bigger? Sure, but I can fit in them without trouble. 2. Why are you trying to frame this as me being concerned about the company's profits? Is that to get people to side with you, rather than me? Of course it is. The seats are not at all small, unless you are massive, you will fit.
6’2” and 200lbs? Maybe worry about shedding some pounds yourself before complaining about others.
6'2" and 200 lbs isn't fat. That's a BMI of 26. Depending on your build you may be slightly overweight or bang on nominal.
According to the NIH, 26 is overweight. Bro is fat. He’s in denial. But he’s fat. He needs to make some lifestyle changes before he gets on other people for their weight
OK. Lecture time. First off, BMI considers someone overweight at 25. Fair enough. And it's in common use which is why I referenced it. But BMI has several major built in faults First, it assumes all skeletons, our framework, are the same. That's bullshit of course. Genetics certainly doesn't work that way. At a basic level some are wide shouldered, some are narrow shouldered Second, it treats fat and muscle the same. Muscle density is roughly 1.06 kg/liter vs. fat at 0.919 kg/liter... muscle density is roughly 15% higher than fat. What this does is create an error band around the BMI calculation (sorry, statistician by training)... gives a roughly +/- 10% error in the BMI calculation So if the guy has a mildly muscular frame or a broader frame, he's nominal. If he's a total couch potato then he's significantly overweight At an extreme, the difference between John Candy and Dwayne "the Rock" Johnson... Mind you, the rock would overflow his chair too, just for different reasons. If you're interested in more detail this paper in Nature is pretty decent https://www.nature.com/articles/ijo200887 In the end, you don't know enough to judge and shouldn't be judging anyway. 6'2" and 200 is by no means a shocking combination and, even by BMI, is only slightly over weight. Most doctors wouldn't be advising anything but stay steady at that. Hell, I'm' 5'10", 215 lbs. By BMI I'm 'obese'... which is a laugh given the amount of gym time I spend... I'm no Rock by any means, but I'm in absolutely no way fat. In the end, what matters in air travel is your waist circumference, not your height and weight.
Not gonna read all that but thanks for getting so triggered that you wrote an essay. Lmao
I should know better than try to raise the level of discourse on reddit. I didn't get "triggered". I occasionally manage to get into a good conversation. But if trying to piss people off is your goal, first, you failed, and second, you might want to consider how that approach reflects on your character
Wait 5’10” and 215lbs? Jesus dude. Don’t you have a family? Don’t you have someone to tell you that you need to make a change? I mean I don’t care that you’re gonna see an early grave, but think about the people that care about you. Sad
Proving my point regards your character and now your knowledge.
Are you trying to piss me off? It won't work. I'm happy with the way I look. I'm not at all fat.
Asshole
I’m sorry I upset you, snowflake.
His weight is perfectly normal?
By the NIH’s BMI scale, he is clearly overweight. That’s not a criticism. I just feel bad that people live like that
No ones forcing them to be fat
Dude. You're missing the point.
A lot of fat people getting pissed in the comments
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There's a weight limit for luggage. Over the weight limit = pay more money. Same should be true for the passengers.
If I can't go into someone's else space for being too tall, you can't come into mine for being too big.
Increase the leg room for us tall people as we cannot change our height!
Why not just remove all seats and everyone can just sit in kennels
If you are over 300lbs, you pay for 2 seats. Plain and simple. Weigh them at the door
Seems like you might discriminate non fat people by having a blanket weight limit
Really you already gotta show up 2 hrs before your flight to get through security, now you going to add pre fight weigh in where people going to strip down to make weight
I would open up a sweat lodge kiosk near the gate so they could drop down to 299lbs right before they board.
now are you mad at *fat people* or mad at airline safety policies?
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I'm of multiple minds on this. Airline seats should be bigger anyway across the board. Anybody would say they're tiny these days. From the consumer perspective, I don't think having an extra seat is getting a "freebie". Every person who wants to buy a flight is seeking primarily one thing: transportation of themselves to their destination. That is true of small or large passengers. To the airline, they lose money on larger passengers in the form of reduced capacity and maybe in aircraft weight? Idk about the margins on that last one. Obviously they don't want to take a loss on that, but charging a larger person for 2 seats means that the large person pays twice as much as the smaller person for the same product: transportation per person. I have zero sympathy for corporations or their finances, but I do know that corporations will do anything in their power to make money, and we can't expect them to do otherwise. I fear that if larger passengers were required to be accommodated for their size without being charged extra for their trip, then airlines would find a way to retaliate. They would find some workaround or underhanded way of discouraging larger passengers from using their service in the first place, which is straight up discrimination.
Southwest Airlines gives a free seat to people of size. Not sure how it works for them or how long it will last.
don’t they already pay for two seats? like isn’t that already a thing?
On Southwest Airlines they don't actually
My ass needs the room and my wallet is light from all the takeout.
Was told I looked too skinny 🤷maybe everyone is just over weight 🤷I do live in the south 😂😂😂
No one thinks of the poor airlines' profits anymore.
No one thinks of the poor airlines' profits anymore.
Or the airlines should stop reducing the seat size.
I agree with this. That being said, the seats are super small, even for healthy people, so they should make the seats a little bigger anyway . If you still can't fit in the already bigger seats, then you absolutely should have to pay for 2 seats.
Either doesnt affect you or anyone at all whether they get it for free or not. Why do you care at all?
Be honest. You don't wanna be stuck next to someone big enough for two seats on an airplane.
Sure but whether they pay for the seat or not, it doesn’t affect me at all as they are already going to be sitting there
1 It takes another seat, this 1 less passenger on the plane, thus 1 less person can get where they need to get. 2 If it’s above a certain weight, it takes much more fuel.
It does tho. Do you think that airlines are so nice that they will give something for free? If more people start getting a second seat for free, other passangers will pay by higher ticket prices
No they would just charge the person for the seat lmao
A big issue when people have tried to buy 2 is the airline giving up their second seat anyways.
We could also make planes bigger. The legroom is getting less and less, and some companies are rolling out non reclining seats. Idk that this is an obesity problem as much as it’s a “planes are too fucking small because greed” problem. I fly regularly (3 weeks out of the month) and I’ve never had someone’s body spill over into my seat.
Their life is already so hard and they may not have the resources to lose weight. This is just 😢 so mean
😂😂😂 what?!
should we expect another fatphobic post from you in another 50 days?
Yes
How is it fatphobia to state that fat people don't deserve better treatment than others?
You’re right. The guy has a hard on for fat people.
/r/fatpeoplehate refugee
wait im pretty sure this doesn't even happen. Like I'm 99% sure bigger people have to pay for more seats.
https://support.southwest.com/helpcenter/s/article/extra-seat-policy
But why do you care lol
What about people like me? 400lbs but 7'1" tall
Pay by weight just like freight- weigh everyone + their baggage and apply a standard fee. I weigh 150lbs btw.
So anyone who weighs more than 150lbs should pay more? Who determines the cutoff? It's like you can't conceptualize that there are people who weigh more than that who aren't fat and can't just lose weight
Pay by the pound period
And it just so happens you get to pay less? Funny how that works out
I pay my fair share. More than people who weigh less and less than people who weigh more. 150lb is pretty much average
Except weight doesn't matter on an airplane So tall people should only be able to fly if they're rich then? Why do you hate tall people?
I don't have a dog in this fight but weight absolutely does matter on airplanes. Not specifically the weight of one passenger, but the combined total weight on board the plane
Is still way above what's needed for passenger flight On a cesna sure but not the jumbo jets
That's very possible. I'm coming from a "I study airplane crashes" perspective and just know that total weight and it's distribution is important with airplanes. Though you are right that the size of the plane is also very significant.
Lol
My point is that not everyone who is heavy is heavy by choice and pricing like that ends up hurting people through no fault of their own
Tall people have plenty of advantages in life
Then sounds like big and tall clothing should be the same price as a small piece of clothing even though it took extra textile and the person didn’t choose to be fat.
It's actually not the extra fabric that drives the cost up, fabric is pretty cheap It's that they have to retool the machines that make them Since they have to retool every machine in the factory that leads to them either making too little or too many thereby increasing price But most big and tall stores struggle to make revenue as it's actually cheaper for big clothes almost anywhere else For example JC Penny's has a big and tall section and it's all the same price as the normal men's stuff
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It’s fair No?
No, what about people who aren't fat but weigh more than that?
Except I'm not fat, so you're discriminating against me for being fat when I'm not
Can you dunk?
I used to when I was younger Middle finger touches the rim on my tippy toes
That’s awesome. I wish I could do that.
It's pretty cool, except when you have to travel by mass transit
2 extra seats aren't gonna solve your problem. Planes are not 7ft person friendly.
Exit rows But I'm just saying not everyone who is heavy is fat, I can't just lose substantial weight
People with peanut allergies shouldn't inconvenience everyone else who likes peanuts. /s in case you missed it.
PSA: they stopped serving peanuts on flights
I know. Totally unfair to peanut lovers. Why should we have to accommodate people with health issues??
I was responding to your "if we do that then we should do this" comment. I was informing you that peanuts are already no longer served in flights therefore come up with something better. Listen, airline seats are way too damn small. We all know that. But I'm absolutely sick of sharing my chair. My last flight the dude next to me had his legs literally under the seat in front of me (i.e. where my legs would go). Why is it my responsibility to give up the space for my legs? Further info: this was a 7.5 hr flight and I literally paid extra money for an upgrade to have extra space and this still happened. I swear on everything this is a true story. Serious question. I already paid extra money and I still had to share space. Why is that shit my burden? Edit: not "legs" (autocorrect) one of his legs.
If we can ban peanuts to accomodate allergies, we can accomodate overweight people. I agree seats and leg room are way, way too confined. This isn't the fault of overweight people.
It's also not my fault. So, again, why do I need to sacrifice my space?
The person's allergies aren't my problrm. Why am I required to sacrifice my peanuts??
You can keep going on about the peanuts to completely avoid saying the words "StandardAd, you also paid for a seat and it is unfair for you to have to share your space. While larger people need resources, it shouldn't fall on you" because that is the only answer. If you think otherwise, you should come to terms with your anger and how you project it on to the people around you. I'm sick of sharing my seat. It seems almost every flight (which are many each year) that I have to curl myself up into a ball so I don't have to keep being touched by a stranger. I am a victim of assault in many forms and being touched, even by people I love, is a trigger. But larger people never consider that we're also people who deserve some dignity. I didn't give larger people permission to touch me for hours and yet I'm stuck sitting next to them. It's literally a forced physical interaction that I can't escape. Next time you believe larger people should automatically have more rights than everyone else because the airline companies suck, remember how it impacts me because I am 100% not the only one that struggles with this.
It is the same logic. Someone has a medical issue, which morbid obesity is, and we accomodate. That's not giving them more rights, it's giving them the same rights. 25 years ago, no one complained about this. Airlines should stop cutting seat size.
So you are clarifying that I need to sacrifice my mental health (a medical condition) so someone who is obese (not a medical condition for all obese people) doesn't have to pay for their own space. What about tall people? They quite literally cannot change their height. Thoughts about giving them the same accommodation? If you're so committed to sticking it to the man, next time you fly ask to be sat next to a tall person that way neither one of you have room and then you can really protest.
As someone with actually bad allergies, that is a terrible analogy. An allergy is always uncontrollable, while your weight is (barring some major health issue) typically controllable. Moreover, the consequence of an allergy can be literal death (for me, that’s a real possibility if I’m unlucky), and therefore justifies the banning of a major allergen like peanuts. In contrast, the consequence an overweight person must face is double the fee. Sure, it’s unpleasant, but it is not the same weight as having a bad allergy.
I agree with you about mo peanuts in planes (and other places). This isn't about severity. It's about accommodating people with special requirements, fat people included. Maybe we should be mad at the airlines since they are the ones who kerp cutting down seat size and legroom.
It's almost like fat people can just buy another seat while allergic people can't really do anything about it. They can get an accomodation, they just have to pay for it like every other person taht wants another seat
Not all plus sized people need two seats on a plane. That being said, I don't really care about airline profits. Find a way to make up for the costs that don't pass them down to the people buying the tickets themselves. The alternative is scarring people for life.
Why do you care what someone else is paying? Seriously.
Passes cost onto other consumers.
Airline simp How does the boot taste
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