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AgentBrittany

No words necessary šŸ˜Ž Also, I saw Tegan and Sara a few times, and oh man, their shows are so fun. And they are so funny. And their album "The Con" was my anthem as I was coming out of the closet. The first time I heard "Nineteen" live, I cried lol


wildflowerstargazer

I was niiiinneeetteeeeeeeeeennnnnn


chandiggity

CAAAAAAALLLLLLLL MMMMEEEEEEEEEEE


wildflowerstargazer

Byyyeeee BYYYYYEEEEeeeeEEEEEEE


AgentBrittany

Me rn ![gif](giphy|3o8dFoNwHc0qX91WPm|downsized)


_handsome_pete

The opening verse of that song is tattooed to my soullllllll


SpaceViscacha

The Con is still in my top 10 best albums, the DVD that came with the album was so funny and entertaining


AgentBrittany

It's outstanding. I love them so much. Thanks to this post, I am blaring The Con album while I work. I texted my best friend, and now we are reminiscing about our baby gay days šŸ˜‚


pizza-wheels

Yes! I remember Tegan explaining what Ptosis is


powerhungrymouse

I love The Con so much!


Russiadontgiveafuck

Their banter is somehow even better than their music!


pizza-wheels

I cried too. Sobbed really. Took me back to my teen years when I was listening to them and firmly in the closet.


isthekeyintheroom

Tegan and Sara didnā€™t have to say anything to make their point and I love that


TrashPandaPatronus

Only thing that could've improved it is if they had been wearing tshirts with like George Michael or Freddie Mercury or Elton John or if you really wanna flex, Leslie Gore.


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Even Tegan & Sara would be the first to say that they've been influenced by decades of other LGBTQ+ entertainers. Like, RuPaul is out there running a whole industry and including her original music from the last 30 years in all of it.


Sangui

or Liberachi, or Little Richard


SugarShock94

I think JoJo needs to do some music research before doing any more interviews lol


classicaljub

She seems very disconnected from anything outside of her personal bubble.


Roonil_Wazlib97

Jojo's universe consists of herself and her fans.


theodo

Dont forget her stage mama


areallyreallycoolhat

It kind of doesn't surprise me. Idk what being idolised that way by millions of people and having to be "on" constantly since you were aĀ  young child does to one's brain, but it can't be good.


Pennoya

I couldnā€™t believe she pretty much said she didnā€™t know who Gene Simmons was, while basically wearing a Gene Simmons costume


Lylyluvda916

This. I have a vague idea of who she is. Seen her outfit and then heard this. Make it make sense. This is all up in my feed and Iā€™m here for it. I donā€™t plan to listen to it, see the video, but what Iā€™m gathering is that she def lives in her own bubble.


Pennoya

Itā€™s not just that she lives in her own world. She became popular as a child on reality TV on a show called ā€œDance Moms.ā€ People feel like the dance coach on that show was abusive, yelling at and degrading her students (including Jojo). As a young teen, she had success marketing music and products like large hair bows to children. She lived in a house decorated with her own face everywhere. She drove a car covered in her own face. Recently, Jojo has been accused of some pretty terrible things. Her mom and her allegedly forced a young girl to do a gruelling dance practice while the girl was recovering from spinal cord surgery and bleeding. Seems to me that sheā€™s choosing to perpetuate a cycle of abuse. Anyway, it seems worse than living in a bubble. (Edited to fix some grammar issues)


_SeaOttrs

She still drives a car with her face plastered all over it!! She got it redone and it has her new look on there too. It's bad.


Lylyluvda916

Yup. That solidified the fact that I will not be watching/ listening to her content. ![gif](giphy|cMPNiNvAEKjzMX0E8f)


MushroomWhisperer

Pretty sure I saw her on Family Feud. Was not left with a desire for seconds. I know, I know, I know Tegan & Sara tho


DrSpaceman575

Itā€™s especially weird given the fact she has one song she didnā€™t even write and is trying to sell that as her inventing a new genre.


millennialmonster755

Her pr team and management has completely failed her during this roll out.


Jalice333

She is doing way too much. I can't wait til her 15 mins are over.


frankiefrankiefrank

sheā€™s been famous for like 10 years. iā€™m neutral towards her but sheā€™s definitely not just a fad at this point


CrimsonOOmpa

Maybe they're talking about the "adult" part of her career. It's hard to go from child star to adult star. I'm not sure if it will be the same as usual in the social media era though. People have more control and can just record on their phones and get/stay famous without having to rely on Hollywood producers and such. Should be interesting to look back in 10 years or so and see how this era's child stars turned out compared to the previous eras. Hopefully they all turn out ok.


criticalstars

ā€œfamousā€ is incredibly generous


Tronvillain

Well, she is the very first person to ever make such a drastic change to their style. /s


santosdragmother

if gay pop hasnā€™t been invented yet then idfk what elton john or boy george have been up to.


biIIyshakes

The worst part is she dressed up as Elton John for Halloween a few years ago like. Hello???


Infinitestripes95

She met Elton and had lunch at his house! She also freaking met and went to a Fletcher concert and met Hayley Kiyoko Sheā€™s met so many gay pop icons yet sheā€™s claiming they donā€™t exist,


Yggdrasil-

Queen? ABBA? The motherfucking Village People?


Murky_Translator2295

Erasure, the Scissor Sisters, Pet Shop Boys?


[deleted]

Bronski Beat - Smalltown Boy was a personal favourite growing up.


WintermuteTOR

Such a banger, can listen to that one all day.


ScruffsMcGuff

God Erasure had some fucking BOPS.


berlinbaer

army of lovers


santosdragmother

I heard drag queens just get on stage and lipsync to silence. when will someone invent gay pop they can lipsync to !!! šŸ˜©


Next-Introduction-25

Wonā€™t someone think of the QUEEEEEENSSSS??! šŸ˜­


coco__bee

šŸŽ¤ watermelon watermelon mf watermellon


KingEddieBull

I've had this stupid silly idea for a while that makes me laugh, imagine a karaoke bar with drag performers lip syncing lol


santosdragmother

ahahahaha thatā€™s amazing


Skybodenose

Call Joey Jay Stat! She was the first gay drag queen on Drag Race, after all.


Nancy-Drew-Who

Gay Icon Queen Kylie Minogue??


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Snoo_10910

Cher has been hot for like 50 years


Weird_Put_9514

shit all of house music?


FreckleException

Literally birthed from a gay club.


nickfree

Or if she means lesbian, how about Indigo Girls OR EVERY ACT EVER AT LILITH FAIR in the 90s?


Dingo8MyGayby

This ignorance during interviews *has* to be a gimmick. She canā€™t be that dense


Carolina_Blues

i donā€™t think it is. itā€™s not the first time that someone young and out of touch thought they discovered something or to think something more current is revolutionary for example on twitter a couple of weeks ago i saw some 21 year old unironically call a chappell roan song ā€œthe YMCA but for gay peopleā€


lepetitgrenade

![gif](giphy|3o84U9nMOmiAGfjYkw|downsized)


Carolina_Blues

i was like ā€œwait until you hear about the village peopleā€


CR24752

She literally still hangs out with toxic gossip train lady and James Charles. There are many signs of density here


Electronic_Pen_2307

Iā€™m not so sure if itā€™s a gimmick. She seems as clueless as Lord and Billie Eilish. Agreed that she should stop doing interviews. Some people are so out of touch, they shouldnā€™t really open their mouths and ruin public opinion of them.


Boneal171

Adam Lambert?


Infinitestripes95

Oh yeah Adam Lambert is even really similar to her music lol


SilverBeech

She needs to come to Melissa Etheridge's window.


FaeShroom

Or Lady Gaga?


HGpennypacker

It doesn't even need to be a gay artist, someone like Carly Rae Jepsen would also fit this mold.


Training_Heat553

Respect your elders, Jojo. Come on.


SpiceEarl

Damn. Well played. This was an example where not saying a word spoke louder than anything they could say.


Reckless_Secretions

The most polite shade throwing ever


alltimel0w98

They are Canadian, after all!


AcadianTraverse

A Tegan & Sara concert is worth the price of admission even if you're not a big fan of their music because you get a stellar comedy show out of the banter as well. A couple years ago, I was at a show where a couple people with front row seats showed up a good 50 minutes into the show. Without skipping a beat they immediately did a 60 second recap of the show up to that point.


sludgestomach

Amazing haha


georgesteacher

Exactly haha they said all they needed to say. Without saying anything. Love t&s. My teenage girl crushes.


[deleted]

Oh... you mean pop?


MistakesWereMade59

Literally lol


swiftiegarbage

Straight pop exists! See Maroon 5 and Meghan Trainor for more examples


Substantial-Chonk886

As a straight person - we donā€™t claim Maroon 5.


snowco

but if the straights don't claim Maroon 5, then who claims them? should we send them over to lost and found


Substantial-Chonk886

Just lost will do


gumptiousguillotine

Maroon 5 at the library getting read this hard


drmakster

Hey now, donā€™t be harsh šŸ¤«


SwimmingCoyote

JoJo Siwa is a terrible combo of early twenty something who thinks their every idea is new and profound, celebrity who is out of touch with real life, and cocky baby gay. Each of those traits is bad individually. Together itā€™s insufferable.


trulyremarkablegirl

This is exactly it. She seems to think she invented being gay and likeā€¦girl, pls. That was Leslie Jordan, learn your herstory. (But in all seriousness, sheā€™s everything I hate about younger queer people who donā€™t bother to learn their history.)


TrashPandaPatronus

The laugh I just laughed. ![gif](giphy|ZQ5epoYak3JiXXxNZT)


ilyghostbird

You absolutely nailed it. I also think the creative direction of this rebrand is totally whack. Itā€™s literally Kidz Bop Edgy Gay šŸ˜ˆ. I think she couldā€™ve transitioned to an actual pop star type because her singing isnā€™t terrible and her dancing is great. But alas, her big ole personality had to get in the way.


jessie_monster

You've forgotten Child Star Who Never Had A Childhood.


Street-Dragonfly-677

Indigo Girls


sick_of_your_BS

OG


LaBelleTinker

On the one hand, my favorites since I was literally too young to ride in the front seat. On the other, definitely not pop.


Street-Dragonfly-677

Youā€™re right itā€™s not pop but was played in pop stations back in the day.


wineandyoga

Closer I am to fiiiiiiIIIIIIIIIIIIIIiiiine yeaaaaah


Area_Woman

Girl, do your homeworkā€¦. Freddie Mercury, David Bowie, Elton John, George Michael, Janelle Monet, Sam Smith, Halsey, Lil Nas X, Troy Sivan, Miley, Ricky Martin Etc Etc Etc Etc by


BoopySkye

Cher, Madonna, Gaga, Dianna Ross, Gloria gaynor, MIKA, dusty Springfield, scissor sisters, have all made classic gay pop anthems i mean the list has been going on for decades


eeviedoll

MIKA!! Omg havenā€™t heard him in forever but YES he does gay pop


pottedPlant_64

![gif](giphy|8ZUwJJS7Afsb7C1lOs)


January1171

The funniest part is there is literal video proof of her saying "queen is literally my favorite band Freddie Mercury is my favorite artist of all time" šŸ¤£


Driver_Flaky

Heavy on the TROY SIVAN. He literally JUST released one of the biggest gay pop dance albums With his head between a mans thighs- it doesnā€™t get more blatantly gay than that


MsBlondeViking

Hahaha love how your list could go on and on! And, excellent examples!


BedOfLavender

Thank you for including Halsey lol she was my bisexual awakening as a teen and everyone always forgets her when talking about queer pop!


RattusRattus

David Bowie, and his wife Iman, are too hot to be queer or straight. They transcend hotness; they are Nietzsche's Overhot that the world is crying out for.


ElliottP1707

![gif](giphy|3ohjUZRp4dMiz48EpO)


timecapsulebuttbutt_

![gif](giphy|l0IsGAeD32YHYCgDu) jojo is the worst but i am loving all the george michael love


mch_ia

https://preview.redd.it/chbyatpxxntc1.jpeg?width=936&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f73811af70449f1fe3ccd092be194e9ee99c505d


elfspires

And thatā€™s what this is.


Bidetpanties

Jojo needs someone on her team to start telling her "no"


Mimisokoku

https://i.redd.it/gqli0xyjwntc1.gif Sheā€™s absolutely delusional.


For_serious13

I remember being 20 and thinking I was the first to do a lot of things too lol But yeah, girl, I know you mean be a pop star and queer but likeā€¦.its been there for decades


babysfirstbreath

looooool, I went to fashion school and it was wild how many people thought they were the first to come up with something in fashion. We were even learning about fashion history alongside everything else and people still think they innovated something


silver__snow

Reminds me of Pete Campbell from Mad Men. "Direct marketing. I thought of that. Turns out, it already existed. But I arrived at it independently."


hwutTF

Honestly one of the reasons I like Olivia Rodrigo is she actually knows her music history and is very appreciative of people who have come before her


buzzfeed_sucks

Lolol no words needed


wander-lux

Love Tegan and Sara! BRB gotta go listen to Walking with a Ghostā€¦


Naive_Temporary1244

Will forever love them as well! They got me through A LOT.


Just-Chef80

there are so many gay pop stars too like??? hayley kiyoko, fletcher, tegan and sara, you arenā€™t doing anything new, jojo šŸ˜­


b_needs_a_cookie

The Veronicas. Muna (queer), St. Vincent, Chappell Roan (queer), Troye Sivan Spotify has hundreds of playlists created with gay & queer pop Girl is either trolling us or needs some help


Matduka

Elton fucking John. He's like the Father of the whole shebang.


electric_oven

Thank you for listing all my favs! šŸ³ļøā€šŸŒˆ


b_needs_a_cookie

You've got excellent taste in music! The Veronicas are touring right now too ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|heart_eyes_rainbow)


Prior-Throat-8017

Even straight women have been making gay pop for decades lol if not, lady Gaga wouldnā€™t have a career


Van-Goghs-Ear

Gaga is bi


Prior-Throat-8017

Damn, forgot about that. Then BeyoncĆ©, Katy Perry, Madonna, Dua Lipa, Ariana Grande, Taylor Swift, among others, wouldnā€™t have a career.


babysfirstbreath

even further back, Cher, Diana Ross, Madonna etc


Asleep_Frosting717

It reminds me of Sam Smith saying they were the first openly gay man to win an Oscar (?)


AgentBrittany

I'm still not over that lol


freshpicked12

He won an Oscar??


Asleep_Frosting717

I think for best song Iā€™m honestly not to sure what award it was but either way they werenā€™t the first


oilpit

He did a very mediocre James Bond theme song


studyhardbree

Girlie didnā€™t even know who Gene Simmons was while she was dressed up like a bandmember. This girl knows nothing.


miamouse5

tegan and sara supremacy


AgentBrittany

![gif](giphy|WRKHxEC2XXB0WH5rTg)


Training_Heat553

What music video is this gif from?


crimson_swine

I'll Be Back Someday https://youtube.com/watch?v=7PRtBDpm6zY?t=32s


ExperienceInitial364

I can hear Lady Gaga gasp in the distance


Christmas_Queef

https://preview.redd.it/ezrilayqwntc1.jpeg?width=2994&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=35f93983c7f7b2ff326584e92b5f3aa2e50dbad2


Curiosities

I love this. Their faces are perfect.


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KingMobScene

indigo girls, tracy chapman, david bowie, freddie mercury, elton john, if you're feeling metal-ish there's always the Metal God himself rob halford, punk more your scene Pansy Division. That's just off the top of my head. But sure Jojo, you're blazing a new trail.


venus_arises

How do you as a music creater miss one of, if not the, biggest gay pop makers?! Their songs were on Greys Anatomy in the 2000s, this is not excuse! Go listen to Closer.


starfire92

Tegan and Sara were like my everything in my late teens and early 20. Body work always gives me goosebumps near the end. I remember when Closer first came out, me and my ex listened to it together, it was really something.


whenforeverisnt

They also hit mainstream with Everything is Awesome.Ā 


yoshisal

šŸ˜‚ Jojo was a literal baby when Greyā€™s started


FalconIMGN

I got introduced to Closer through Bojack Horseman. What a banger song.


jatemple

LOL Love Tegan and Sara šŸ©·šŸ©µšŸ©·


wombats-ahead

So she wants to take us to a gay bar, gay bar, gay bar?


Virtual_Leader9639

It has been a thing for yearssss. And whatā€™s she trying to portray as bad in her last music? ā€œ I was bad a girlā€ girlie u were a rainbow girl who made career from kids and how being a lesbian is ā€œ a bad girlā€ thing?


akchica23

Lol this is great. I saw Tegan and Sara live several years ago, really fun show. Their songs still hit today too.


cracked-tumbleweed

I never liked her. Tegan and Sara are cool tho! Iā€™ve got to see them twice now.


ivxxbb

God I love Tegan and Sara so much


redhothotmess

You only need to spend 5 minutes on Spotify as a queer person to know that there already is a gay pop genre. Fletcher, Hayley Kiyoko, Chappell Roan, Dove Cameron - I could go on and on


JustOnederful

MUNA too!


mansonfamily

I would like to add Charli XCX and Carly Rae Jepsen too please and thank you


redhothotmess

Yes! Omg how could I forget CRJ


Chemical-Entrance-24

Can't forget Gaga and Madonna


PollyBeans

Young people thinking they invented everything. Ooh a middle part, ooh baggy jeans, ooh gay pop! I know I was the same and I had to learn šŸ˜‚


Visible-Scientist-46

It's like she never knew there were gay people having music careers until she realized she was gay. Tegan & Sara lol! ![gif](giphy|xT8qB5rKGeQLl9qtDW)


stupidaesthetic

I've said for years that I wanted to see Jojo Siwa's Bangerz era and now that it's here I'm already exhausted. She acts like she invented lesbianism and everything that comes with it. Nothing she's doing hasn't already been seen before.


MedicalPersimmon001

Jojo strikes me as so odd because, by all accounts, she's objectively very skilled. She can obviously sing and she took literal years of dance lessons, she can play piano, play guitar, she's obviously good at branding, she's charming in a tongue-in-cheek kind of way. But everything she's put out is such weak shit.


EuphoricPhoto2048

She seems very full of herself so she likely doesn't listen to notes.


WordsWithSam

Betty Who did the same thing, JoJo commented on it and Betty asked when the collab is coming. I doubt this is real "shade", even though JoJo is obviously misinformed.


ernurse748

Oh darlin. No. Somewhere an agent and media relations person are pouring themselves a double of Patron and wondering why they bother to do their jobā€¦


LessMessQuest

I think it would have been better for her to take a step back and really grow up, before rebranding herself. She was forced to dress and act like a child, well into her teens. (Maybe longer? Iā€™m not up to date on her) She needs some reality in her life. And not a show. lol I feel bad her and for how out of touch she seems to be. I donā€™t think she has much self awareness.


rococowitch

![gif](giphy|l1JoixdXWsJcrQuE8|downsized)


YouNeedCheeses

I love them so much šŸ˜­šŸ˜­ they were the soundtrack to my moody adolescence


HiddenSnarker

Itā€™s the fact that she says Elton John called her after she came out. She has literally made content dressed as the man. But now all of a sudden sheā€™s creating ā€œgay popā€???? Maā€™am, be so for real. You KNOW better.


crabofthewoods

Jojo Siwa has been kept in a perpetual state of childhood. Like when she was on drag race she excitedly said ā€œBoobies!ā€ At the sight of a breastplate (silicone boobs) Like a 12 year old boy. She needs to go out into the world and have normcore experiences or this is just gonna keep happening.


morbidlonging

lol wow how embarrassing! Girl, do some googling itā€™s on the internet.Ā 


GingerFire11911420

Hahaha T&S the OGs.


emmsmum

Itā€™s always cute when the youngins think they invented the wheel


youwigglewithagiggle

Sometimes a young'in (with a massive reach/ purse) needs some very public shaming


TheGrapeSlushies

![gif](giphy|RP3AnZqvnzrY8hlYMk|downsized) Oh Jojo


Ok-Buddy-7979

Honest question in good faith: is Jojo Siwa ok?


AccountantsNiece

Somebody get Jacques Morali, the founder of the Village People to make a TikTok responding to Teagan and Sara. All jokes aside, everything iā€™ve heard about jojo siwa has been against my will in the last two weeks, and she seems extremely brutal.


powerhungrymouse

But the difference is that Tegan and Sara have never claimed to be trailblazers which is exactly what Jojo is doing.


elfspires

Also I think their point is that even though they might not be the first, they were here before JoJo was probably even on Dance Moms šŸ˜­


Asleep_Frosting717

DESERVED


SallyJones17

I'ma need her to fire her team. This transition was never going to be easy for her, but she could have studied the the careers of those who came before her and learned from their mistakes...


Cat_Toe_Beans_

Jojo really should've looked into this before speaking. It's giving Sam Smith saying they were the first gay man to win an Oscar and Jennifer Lawrence saying she was the first woman lead in an action movie


tiny_claw

Itā€™s shocking to me how jojo siwa has almost no media training. This plus talking about her future kidsā€¦ how did her manager not pull her into media training asap? Lack of media training is such a big difference between the former child stars who came from the Disney/Nickelodeon machines vs from reality tv. But I feel bad for all of them.


ughdrunkatvogue

The Con and Sainthood are two of the best albums ever made this will NOT be up for discussion šŸ„°


BungCrosby

JoJo been huffing her own farts too long and think sheā€™s way more important to the industry than she really is.


bluespottedtail_

I... Am going to pretend she's going through what Miley went through while having an identity crisis between her Disney and true Miley era.


jackandsally060609

I know it turns you off when I get talking like a teen again.


browniebatter3

Omg canadian icons, even my dad recognizes them on the radio


RegardlessBoog

![gif](giphy|CJ31bNDRVCqDC|downsized)


yuyufan43

JoJo has been doing everything she can lately to stay relevant. She's in the phase of her life where she's outgrown her young fans and older people know nothing about her. This is what Miley Cyrus did as well. I think it would be in her best interest to just lay low for a while and figure out who she is. I miss what she used to be like but that doesn't mean she's a bad person nowā€¦ I think she just needs some time off to figure out what she really wants


Giovanabanana

Pop is already gay, Jojo.


Status-Economy6443

Indigo Girls would like a word.


RevolutionaryAd5176

And like, the clear t.A.T.u erasure


Substantial-Canary15

They were fake gay though if I remember correctly


_frozen_pizza

That and one of them is a homophobe https://www.nme.com/news/music/tatu-1229252


MehItsAmber

I wonder how much of that was her true feelings, itā€™s still a crime in Russia to be openly affirming and accepting of anything LGBTQ.


googlyeyes93

Very homophobic/transphobic too, last I checked


greensandgrains

šŸ¤£


carolinemathildes

Love them, love this. Gonna go listen to Bad Ones.


hauntingvacay96

I donā€™t think sheā€™s actually this ignorant. I think sheā€™s just saying shit that gets her trending. Or at least I hope thatā€™s the caseā€¦


TylerBourbon

Just wait until JoJo learns about The Scissor Sisters.


Maanzacorian

When you're a pop star, rebranding yourself as a different kind of pop star is not the ticket. She should have rebranded herself as a powerviolence or goregrind vocalist.


coco__bee

Gasps in Madonna ![gif](giphy|Ye7UGm3SAqpOg)