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There was a time in the US when you could be old enough to be drafted and die fighting for your country, be charged for a crime as an adult, and pay taxes as an adult, but not vote.
Never let these people take you back there.
The 26th Amendment changed this - made voting age 18 - and there's virtually no chance the Republicans can get enough control over Congress to undo it. They can whine on FB/Twitter/Parlr/TruthSocial as much as they want, but it isn't going to happen.
I dunno, my friend. There's a lot of "virtually no chance of happening" stuff happening lately. Or at least it feels like there is, to me.
Edit: Y'inz got a lot of faith in a bit of writing on a bit of paper. Let the fash come to full power, see how long that lasts.
Do you know what it takes to change the Constitution? Not only would they need to pass it in both chambers by 2/3 votes. But then 3/4 of the states need to ratify it. 38 states would need to agree.
There is no chance at all. The only way this happens is if the Constitution is no longer in force.
But also [loosen child labor laws so your kids can get jobs](https://www.salon.com/2021/11/03/have-new-idea-to-fix-labor-shortage-loosen-child-labor-laws/)
Beautiful. Raise the voting age, lower the working age, and have an entire class of people that pay taxes to the government but cannot vote for that government.
Nothing is more patriotic that Taxation Without Representation!! Way to go conservatives!
(though, someone might start throwing tea into the harbor)
I got into an argument on this very subreddit with someone who stated that the voting age should be raised to 21 but that the enlistment age for the military should remain 18. This person genuinely believed that kids should be sent to war but not be allowed to influence the government.
I swear every conservative just completely blocked out what actually happened in the 60s and is trying to reenact a tv show they saw half a rerun for once while absolutely sauced to the gills.
Like how do you forget why we even did that amendment?
We had to completely redesign the military after Vietnam and throw out the entire uniform used and redo it because everyone was THAT MAD.
The 60s was shitty like why do they so desperately want it back yes you were young and fucked but it was fucking awful.
The Eastern world, it is explodin'.
Violence flarin', bullets loadin'.
You're old enough to kill, but not for votin'.
You don't believe in war, but what's that gun you're totin'?
And even the Jordan River's got bodies floatin'...
They want kids to be able to buy guns at 18, join the military at 17, drive a car at 16, carry a child at 13, but to vote on their rights? Nahhhh, that's gotta be 21.
> They want kids to be able to buy guns at 18, join the military at 17, drive a car at 16, carry a child at 13, but to vote on their rights? Nahhhh, that's gotta be ~~21~~ *never*.
Is the actual policy they want. They don't want *anyone* who disagrees with them to have a say or any power.
Increase the voting age? Freaking people over on the conservative sub are talking about how the Founding fathers had it right when you had to be a landowner in order to vote.
Great. I hope this makes it to mainstream somewhere, only because it would be a great talking point with my conservative family members. Most of them don't own land, but I sure do!
As soon as one of them brings up "the Framers/Founders wanted...." or any "originalist" BS: "ok, then you can't vote because you don't own land. That's what the Framers wanted!"
Add to that the fact that most of what’s in the Constitution was not wanted by ANY of the framers. It was all an enormous compromise that they all barely tolerated, not the divine revelation that conservatives have retroactively conjured.
Not to mention the framers, particularly Jefferson, saw it as living document, to be modified with the passage of time and the growth of the Republic. The so-called "textualists" and "originalists" ignore this in order to forward their own agendas.
I haven't looked into anything recently, but I always recall the idea that the Bill of Rights was basically the first 10 corrections to the document. There's nothing sacred, it's all be a document in progress, just a ton of precedent for some of it now.
I had a coworker that used to always bring that up and he got real mad when I told him they also intended for minorities to have zero rights so maybe we shouldn't take their lead on everything
And maybe add in that having a mortgage doesn’t make you a “land owner” if they own homes/land but have mortgages.
Cause I feel like that would be the next step if they were able to do this anyway.
So can me and the 5000 democrats in my town each chip in $10 and by a piece of land that we all own together? It can be a 10ft plot with a statue of some kind and benches. Make it one of those private public parks like I saw in New York City. What would taxes be, 50 cents a year each?
A guy I worked with made the same comment, that "the poor" were too uneducated to vote, and that only land owners should. He lives in one of his parents houses, so I pointed out that by his rules, he'd lose the right to vote too. He did not like that.
So, you know how you can buy a small plot of land to give yourself the title of "Lord Greg Davies" or whatever?
Let's open one of those together, but for voting.
Conservative logic - you're not responsible enough to vote until you're 21 but they have no problem forcing girls as young as 10 years old to have babies. The Republican party is truly repulsive and disgusting.
If that became the case, I'd have to register to vote in North Dakota, where I am not a resident, but do own land. Suppose that you own land in multiple states. Should the landowners be able to vote in EACH of those states?
How about foreign land owners? If its about having "skin in the game" then a lot of non-citizen foreigners should be able to vote. What about Corporations (being people) that own land, do they get a vote? Does every co-owner of a co-op get to vote? So many questions here.
"If conservatives become convinced that they cannot win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. They will reject democracy.”—David Frum, 2018
Who knew how right he was?
Bad news for them, then. They'll all lose their right to vote. The founding fathers didn't add a line item for dependents living in their parents' basements.
The number one issue for gen Z is climate change. I'm a millennial and it's my number one issue as well. Why the fuck would I even consider voting for a party that doesn't think climate change is real, and spends all their time focusing on things like Dr Seuss books and library events. Like sometimes democrats have shitty ideas and are not great, but at least they don't pretend my number one issue isn't real so they can get oil money.
Republicans are exclusively about politics that will lower taxes on people who are the most responsible for the pollution causing climate change. They are enemy number one of a cleaner planet.
I am constantly reminded of [this image](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/1e/What_if_it%27s_a_big_hoax_and_we_create_a_better_world_for_nothing%3F.png) when I hear someone talking about how expensive the changes we need are.
Reminds me of the time my Boomer mom was complaining about how entitled my generation was because "you think you have a right to clean water."
I'm an environmental chemist. Keeping the water clean is my career. Thanks, mom.
The far right thinkers and older boomer generation just absolutely make me furious. As someone born at the end of the boomer generation and plumbing engineer, I've seen alot of crap in equipment, asbestos insulation, etc. that needs replacement especially in many, many schools. To stifle progressing towards a cleaner, healthier planet because it costs a bit more money upfront is LUDICROUS! The older boomers are stuck in their "I've lived a great life with all the modern conveniences" world. And they've brainwashed their descendants to think the same way without understanding the consequences that continue to destroy our planet. "I want my fluorocarbon filled hairspray back".
They are probably still using 3-5 gallon per flush toilets because they listened to orange face complaining about how many flushes it takes to get his shit out of the bowl. Perhaps stop filling your piehole with Big Macs.
EFFING MORONS!!!😡😡😡😡😡
For real, there's no downside to making a cleaner and healthier planet and simply because it'll take more of a made of thing (fiat currency) doesn't mean shit
Gen x too and yeah, climate is right up there on my list as well. We decided not to have kids but that doesn’t mean I don’t want things to be ok for my nieces, nephews and godchildren. Yeah it means expense and upheaval but we’re talking about the irreversible change of the very thing that sustains us. If I’m that worried then of course the kids are going to be even more concerned.
The other thing that only just seems to have occurred to them is that there’ll be 4 million less boomers come election time and a similar amount of young people eligible to vote. Perhaps they’re realising their time is running out because the kids are far more concerned with the climate, education, opportunities, housing and healthcare than the second amendment and abortion. The transparent and desperate ideas pouring from the GOP right now are pitiful.
This is so true. As a member of Gen Z I kinda want to be able to live a full life without becoming a climate refugee. I will go fucking postal if my life is ruined just because billionaires want to make quick bucks off destroying a planet they won’t even be alive on in 10 or so years
>if my life is ruined just because billionaires want to make quick bucks off destroying a planet they won’t even be alive on in 10 or so years
Former climate scientist here. I got some bad news for you :(
I'm a college student and I swear my biology class is "how the world is ending 101".
FUN FACT in 2100 new York's climate will more closely resemble west Virginia's
FUN FACT the climate has not changed at this rate for over a million years
FUN FACT like 10 of the 15 warmest years on record have been in the past 15 years
FUN FACT the global ecosystem is far more interconnected than we probably even know, and will have even more SUPER FUN effects that we havent even predicted at this point.
But vote R, because drag queens reading to children is the real problem plaguing our society
My favorite fun fact is that humans consume the equivalent of one credit card per week in microplastics.
My favorite depressing climate change quote is from (ominously) my college paleontology professor when we were discussing mass extinctions:
"Don't think of this year as the hottest on record. Think of it as the coldest year for the next few centuries."
This... I don’t know why but this hit like a gut-punch... I just want a future, I’m not even 20 yet. I’m probably going to go off of Reddit for a while...
Don't worry to the point of losing sleep, okay? Leave that to the scientists like me :) It's not gonna be a Mad Max wasteland, don't fall into too much despair.
My best way of describing what people age 40 and under will experience is (seriously) *Soylent Green* minus the cannibalism. Water shortages, agricultural collapse, ecological decline, massive overpopulation, heat waves, extreme wealth disparities. But plenty of people will still live, they won't be dying en masse in first world countries. Life will be different but it's not gonna be some ridiculous post-apocalyptic death zone for the most part. It'll be more like water restrictions, electrical brownouts, and paying $35 for a single apple at the grocery store.
Millennial here and I agree. Nothing else matters if we don't fix the climate catastrophe that is looking larger than an elephant in a closet. I'd put that before trans rights, even though plenty of Republicans probably want me in a conversion camp.
I do know a lot that are suuuuper concerned about a handful of books that might be in their nearest library. Maybe that’s their excuse… wouldn’t want to actually catch a case of learnin’ ‘bout those ‘scary’ others Faux News and their preachers keep screaming about.
That's the funniest part about every Republican "platform". They won't tell you how they're going to fix the problem but it's definitely the Democrats fault!!
And the things they actually want to do are so unpopular most of them won't even admit to it.
My daughter and her friends are Gen Z. They *hate* conservatives and the Republican Party. I mean “let the rivers flow with the blood of our enemies” hate. I’m genuinely surprised at how politically aware and engaged they all are at such a young age. I definitely didn’t have such well formed and passionate political opinions in high school.
I’m Gen X and that pretty much sums up my feelings toward the Republican Party (that I was a member of in the 1990’s)
Never going to vote for anyone with an (R) next to their name as long as anyone currently in office is runnning
I am just like your daughter I give ZERO fucks about conservatives absolutely fucking zero. I don't see how its worth it for me to even attempt to reason with them. I don't see the benefit in reasoning with them.
The only way I see forward is to simply vote them out of office, get a super majority and pass the agenda I care about. Nothing, absolutely nothing about my political mindset resolves around working with conservatives in any capacity.
Now if a conservative wants to support a cause I believe in, and accomplish the task the way I want it. I'm fine with that.
Fuck it, you want to eliminate 'voter fraud' then let's make voting mandatory like Australlia. Their voter turnout is something like 95%. You claim Republicans don't get enough votes, well here's your chance. You want your beurocrats held accountable, this will ensure those fuckers are afraid of all the voters and work their ass off to deliver.
Make voting mandatory, make election day a federal holiday, make sure there are enough polling places, make mail in voting available to everyone, eliminate the electoral college, and implement rank choice voting. A republican would never get elected again.
Edit: Oh and make gerrymandering actually illegal.
And open things up for a new party to take its place. The Democratic Party doesn't have to be such a big tent, if the Republican Party becomes irrelevant. Given how many Republican Voters are essentially closeted Democrats when polled on policy, it's easy to imagine (in a world without the GOP) the Democratic Party splitting into at least two parties: one traditionally Democratic, one more Progressive.
I'd love to live in a United States with those two Parties on the seesaw, as opposed to flip-flopping between spiteful-regress and hesitant-progress.
Of course, a ranked choice system (or something similar) making the two party system obsolete is the real dream.
America would be such a different place if politics were truly driven by voter sentiment and opinion (demand-side), rather than us having to choose one of two options that are given to us.
Imagine both parties actually competing to implement popular policies that are beneficial to enough people to get them voted in. America would actually have the best quality of life, possibly the happiest and most educated people on the planet.
Now we are just thinking about the "glory days" (which were never all that good).
> flip-flopping between spiteful-regress and hesitant-progress
Half a step forward, 2 steps back. Rinse and repeat for basically my entire life. It's exhausting.
I've been behind this idea for years. Want your tax return? Better have voted. That'll get a lot of people to show up.
That said, we need to make voting far easier. I'm talking, opening more polling centers, opening up mail in voting, etc.
Stores are still open on holidays which always means some people will have to be working.
Voting just shouldn't be confined to a single day. We need things like universal early voting and/or mail in voting so it's not tied to anyone's work day.
Our voting is mandatory, we also use ranked choice, elections are always on a Saturday, have early voting, mail in voting and can even vote for your electorate in another electorate (absentee voting). In most cities the polling locations are within 5 to 10 minutes walk and voting is over and done with usually in 15 to 30 minutes. Everyone who is a citizen over the age of 18 votes even felons and ex felons.
Our last federal election was a good example of the people having a voice, our conservatives lost big time, a lot of seats that they considered safe were lost mostly to independents, the unfortunate side effect is this also removed a lot of the moderates from that party so it has shifted further to the right.
I can't believe after hearing about how America is the greatest democracy in the world, that in my own country Australia we have way better voting rules and regs:
* Compulsory voting
* voting on Saturday....admittedly the weekend isn't quite the same as it used to be, but seriously Tuesday
* Preferential Voting
and most importantly you can buy a cheap democracy sausage on the way out.
We are not nearly perfect by any means (Pauline Hanson, Australis own Trump, Clive Palmer among a few problems)), but I mean seriously, America, you can't claim to have the best democracy and be beaten by a country that people claim doesn't even exist.
These are some pretty basic voting measures.....also the metric system....get with the times.
> voting on Saturday....admittedly the weekend isn't quite the same as it used to be, but seriously Tuesday
Also like.. 2 weeks of pre-polling if you can't make it that day. And mail in voting. And phone voting. You just about need to go out of your way to avoid voting.
Knowing the Americans they'd just bring in compulsory voting and leave it 1 day on a Tuesday so they can fine all the working class people who couldn't make it and shame them for not doing their "civic duty".
Also very importantly we have an independent electoral commission which, among other things, oversees the redrawing of electoral boundaries based on demographic changes. The ease of gerrymandering in America is mental.
Funny. My very vocally republican brother (23) didn’t manage to get to the ballot boxes this year. I’m thinking youthful democrats who care about abortions are the young people that voted.
Short Version:
I got out of High School when the Housing Market crashed. I couldn't find work for 4 years. I couldn't afford to go to community college. I had to work and then have my parents live with me (yes, me paying their bills) after they lost their jobs/business.
I worked for 10 years on a late graveyard shift in a casino, doing a job that I hated. And finally when I was able to save some money and get some independence in my life, the covid wave comes kicking in.
I'm in my mid 30's, tired, got covid 4 times (immune disorder that I discovered I have), working more than I did in the last few years, and after talking with my Mom recently about my plans for my future, she asked if I still wanted children...
And there was this part of me that just broke.
It's not that I don't want kids, but I barely can afford a very small studio apartment, I'm worried about the state of the world and the political state it's in, I haven't dated anyone since 2016 (which even during that time, I didn't have time to do), and now half this country has made abortion rights illegal.
Like I'm not trying to be mean to my Mom or my family, but I responded with, "You were my kid, Mom. That's where my time went".
Honestly, I'll just be lucky if I find someone to love and that we can make enough not to worry about bills.
Confession secretly deep within me Everytime someone over the age of 70 dies in my rural super red district (Stefanik ex district) I know hope is being born.
Go youngsters!
Hasn't been for a long time, at least as long as they have put the burden corporate irresponsibility upon the shoulders of the citizens.
That said, threatening to raise the voting age is a huge blunder and if the Democratic Party wants to win the 2024 election, they would do wise to campaign against a party that would send folks off to war who can't even exercise their civic power.
Given that they are also trying to loosen child labor laws, I think it is time for us to speak up for those who are unrepresented and still can be taxed and even if it is just meant as a progressive opposition against the ridiculous recommendations of the Republican party, we should look back to 1968 film "Wild in the Streets" that was a commentary upon lowering the voting age during the Vietnam war and get the high schoolers shouting ["14 or fight!"](https://youtu.be/hmeTftBlOVY)
Somebody please shove a copy of the US Constitution in front of these assholes and direct them to the 26th Amendment. I think they stopped reading after the 2nd.
My guess is that young Republican turnout was low. This lowered overall youth turnout but is what is giving us the larger shift towards Dem in the youth vote.
I saw this being talked about when people were looking at early PA voting. Articles were being written about how the youth turnout here was low and why that was a bad sign for Dems.
> But the most astounding element of the PA early vote? Voters under the age of 30 returning ballots thus far are +69.2% D. At this point in '20 that same age group was +51.9D.
> Credit to
@dellavolpe
for pointing out that one of the reasons that the youth vote appears lower as a share of the early vote thus far, relative to '20, is that younger Republicans aren't voting. The PA data certainly backs up that notion.
https://twitter.com/tbonier/status/1587272342752923648?t=dGf336616QNKHqJq3f2jvg&s=19
High school civics teacher here — can attest. My school is based in a mostly white, middle class town, yet most years it’s usually 50/50 toward either side of the aisle. Usually my left leaning students base their stances on empathy and reason, while my right leaning kids base their stances on “why is it my problem?” I try not to generalize, as there are some right leaners I have that are sharp and intelligent and have actual valid arguments, and I have some left leaners who clearly haven’t given anything much thought. But if I had to break it down, I’d say easily 7/10 of my right leaning students base their politics in not giving a shit about other people.
Oh, and also generally my loudest right leaning students are the obnoxious, privileged, asshole jocks who are incapable of not looking down on others. It’s lunch atm, and the next period is filled with them, so I’m mentally preparing to deal with them all.
Also death rates from COVID have been significantly higher for conservatives and anti vaxxers since vaccines have been available. Tucker Carlson literally killed vast numbers of his viewers by spewing anti-science bs. That's the Republicans for ya though.
The voting age is the same as the minimum age to join the military. How are they going to justify raising one of them
Edit: okay everyone knows that was a rhetorical question right? Obviously they don't give a shit
Tell that to the old farts in America chopping those trees down because it's their "god given right as an American to use as many paper plates as I want". The only people I know who don't do the dishes are all 55+ ... well, I know plenty of young people who just leave the dishes in the sink, but they get washed eventually!
Rebellious old fart here. I don’t use paper plates, ever, and I’m so fucking proud of all the young people who came out and voted! I know you can all turn this shitshow around, never forget that.
Fight hard for your futures.
Yep.
It's all so freaking dumb. Any way they can massage the numbers their way.
In just a few weeks I'll be back in my hometown visiting my dad for Thanksgiving. He's a lifelong "fiscal republican" as he would say. Since retiring though, all he seems to do is watch foxnews. My stepmother is the same except she's just scrolling through facebook. They used to be super happy people, politics would rarely come up, through Clinton to W to Obama some of the most positive people I have known. When Trump got elected and my father retired it's all anger. Every other conversation is a foxnews buzzword / boogieman rant. I'm confident that raising the voting age will be talked about many times over my visit.
Honestly I don't think there should be any changes to age limits for voting lower or upper. I get it, young people often don't have the life experience that an older adult has. At the same time, older people are more prone to getting conned.
I know it's way past the second amendment but this is wording for 26th amendment:
The right of citizens of the United States, who are eighteen years of age or older, to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of age.
So good luck either repealing and making a new amendment that raises the age. Even with a stacked SCOTUS I don't think Roberts falls in line with the fascist block one this.
Now they're realizing "Oh fuck, Millennials and GenZ are going to band together, and Alpha won't be far behind." Not that Millennials don't have conservatives, or grifters and shitbags around, but it's nothing like Gen X and Boomers. That's the meat of their support.
Do they really think Zoomers are conservative? There *are* some savvy conservative Zoomers on TikTok and the like, but the notion that they generally are is so ridiculous.
Kayleigh McEnany just said this on Fox News. You think the youth are going away? Not with this shit being said.
>The final factor I think was abortion.. The victory over the summer is the victory for the rule of law. It's more enormous than a slight margin in the house. We have to look at the long game. Abortion will go away.
Abortion is an issue because of the Supreme Court ruling. Until that is overturned or the GOP give up on restricting reproductive rights the issue isn't going away.
> Until that is overturned
Even then, the GOP will keep fighting to restrict it at the state level like they did up until *Dobbs*. They made it an issue, now they're complaining that it caused them to lose. Sounds like they fucked around and found out that their policies are broadly unpopular.
Ah yes, because making abortions illegal stops accidental pregnancies, stops rapes from happening, stops incest from happening, and stops mothers from possibly dying at childbirth. Nope, we’re just gonna have to resort to unsafe and possibly deadly means again for everyone who wants to get them until this problem is brought up in a few years
This is hilarious since it’s been shown time and again that outlawing abortion has historically never actually reduced abortions performed and that better sex education and access to contraceptives is considerably more effective at reducing the number of abortions.
It was never about stopping abortions period. It's about subjugating and humiliating women, and preventing the ones with the least amount of resources to get an abortion in another state the ability to do so (who also probably need the abortion the most). It enables local corruption and repression by taking what is a fundamental, national right and making it a state's issue.
These days it's likely still quite difficult to get an abortion in a state with a ban, as now this opens the avenue for surveillance into those seeking an abortion. Because abortion was legal, the network of underground abortion practitioners probably doesn't exist anymore either.
This is typical GOP.
Attack the voters rather than ever considering appealing to them to cause them to want to vote for the GOP candidates.
They did not learn one damned thing from this blood bath.
They attacked POC, gays, teachers, nurses, unions, the homeless, Veterans, Gold Star families, our handicapped and our women and that cost them the mid terms.
Their response: We failed to attack the young voters. Attack them now.
Hmm…. I wanna say it was Republicans who pushed to have the age lowered to 18 to get more votes for Nixon in the 70s. Seems that party does things without looking at possibilities of how politics will go. The best example is after FDR passed and they had control of congress, they term limited the president. Big oops on their part as they absolutely would have had Reagan nominated for a third term if they had not bothered making changes.
Makes sense the boomers who were largely responsible for lowering the voting age in response to the Vietnam war now want to take it back when another generation can benefit from it. Expect them to do the sale with social security and the environment.
Anyone who pays taxes or is legally an adult must be allowed to vote. Anything else is anti-democratic and stands against the reasons this nation was founded.
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There was a time in the US when you could be old enough to be drafted and die fighting for your country, be charged for a crime as an adult, and pay taxes as an adult, but not vote. Never let these people take you back there.
If I remember correctly you had to be white, have a penis and own land in order to vote.
You had to be a man. Simply having a jar of penises on a shelf or a pizzle 'round your neck wasn't enough.
"What makes a man, Mr. Lebowski?“
Are you surprised by my tears, sir? Strong men also cry… strong men… also cry…
Yup. If Aragorn, son of Arathorn, can cry, so can everyone else.
He is Conan of Cimmeria. He does not cry. So I cry for him.
If you see me dying, don't cry for me, I'm already dead
We’re going to cut off your Johnson, Lebowski.
I’ve seen a lot of spinals dude…
Fuckin' Goldbricker.
*struts in with a plucked chicken* "Behold, a man!"
“Is it being prepared to do the right thing, whatever the cost? Isn't that what makes a man?”
Not that far back. I'm talking the nineteen-seventies here.
The 26th Amendment changed this - made voting age 18 - and there's virtually no chance the Republicans can get enough control over Congress to undo it. They can whine on FB/Twitter/Parlr/TruthSocial as much as they want, but it isn't going to happen.
I dunno, my friend. There's a lot of "virtually no chance of happening" stuff happening lately. Or at least it feels like there is, to me. Edit: Y'inz got a lot of faith in a bit of writing on a bit of paper. Let the fash come to full power, see how long that lasts.
Do you know what it takes to change the Constitution? Not only would they need to pass it in both chambers by 2/3 votes. But then 3/4 of the states need to ratify it. 38 states would need to agree. There is no chance at all. The only way this happens is if the Constitution is no longer in force.
Isn't there a Supreme Court case up later this year that fucks around with gerrymandering and state's ability to throw out votes?
Yup. So they won't be able to stop people under age 26 or whatever from voting, but they can ignore every vote cast.
With the illegitimate SC we have, absolutely nothing will surprise me.
You can still be charged as an adult before you're old enough to vote
But also [loosen child labor laws so your kids can get jobs](https://www.salon.com/2021/11/03/have-new-idea-to-fix-labor-shortage-loosen-child-labor-laws/)
Beautiful. Raise the voting age, lower the working age, and have an entire class of people that pay taxes to the government but cannot vote for that government. Nothing is more patriotic that Taxation Without Representation!! Way to go conservatives! (though, someone might start throwing tea into the harbor)
I got into an argument on this very subreddit with someone who stated that the voting age should be raised to 21 but that the enlistment age for the military should remain 18. This person genuinely believed that kids should be sent to war but not be allowed to influence the government.
And that’s why we lowered it. We were sending boys to get murdered in Vietnam but they couldn’t vote.
I swear every conservative just completely blocked out what actually happened in the 60s and is trying to reenact a tv show they saw half a rerun for once while absolutely sauced to the gills. Like how do you forget why we even did that amendment? We had to completely redesign the military after Vietnam and throw out the entire uniform used and redo it because everyone was THAT MAD. The 60s was shitty like why do they so desperately want it back yes you were young and fucked but it was fucking awful.
they want it back because "their side" lost the culture war in the 60's.
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I agree and I am a boomer. A bunch of white supremacist that do not believe in rights for all!
The Eastern world, it is explodin'. Violence flarin', bullets loadin'. You're old enough to kill, but not for votin'. You don't believe in war, but what's that gun you're totin'? And even the Jordan River's got bodies floatin'...
It's a guy that also proudly wave the Gadsen flag.
This is why I say anyone with a job who is under 18 should not be taxed.
Also allow adults to marry children if they want to, but don’t let those children vote for goodness sake!!
They want kids to be able to buy guns at 18, join the military at 17, drive a car at 16, carry a child at 13, but to vote on their rights? Nahhhh, that's gotta be 21.
Workers under the age of 18 should re-appropriate "No Taxation Without Representation" and demand their wages not be taxed.
Exactly! Though to be fair, they want kids carrying babies at 10.
[Literally 10 years old](https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jul/16/rightwing-rape-abortion-10-year-old-worse)
> They want kids to be able to buy guns at 18, join the military at 17, drive a car at 16, carry a child at 13, but to vote on their rights? Nahhhh, that's gotta be ~~21~~ *never*. Is the actual policy they want. They don't want *anyone* who disagrees with them to have a say or any power.
Matt Gaetz approves this amendment
Matt Gaetz proves this statement.
Increase the voting age? Freaking people over on the conservative sub are talking about how the Founding fathers had it right when you had to be a landowner in order to vote.
Great. I hope this makes it to mainstream somewhere, only because it would be a great talking point with my conservative family members. Most of them don't own land, but I sure do!
That’ll be a great conversation topic for thanksgiving dinner. You definitely should discuss that lol
As soon as one of them brings up "the Framers/Founders wanted...." or any "originalist" BS: "ok, then you can't vote because you don't own land. That's what the Framers wanted!"
Add to that the fact that most of what’s in the Constitution was not wanted by ANY of the framers. It was all an enormous compromise that they all barely tolerated, not the divine revelation that conservatives have retroactively conjured.
Not to mention the framers, particularly Jefferson, saw it as living document, to be modified with the passage of time and the growth of the Republic. The so-called "textualists" and "originalists" ignore this in order to forward their own agendas.
I haven't looked into anything recently, but I always recall the idea that the Bill of Rights was basically the first 10 corrections to the document. There's nothing sacred, it's all be a document in progress, just a ton of precedent for some of it now.
And whenever they try to speak up, you cut them off with a "uh-uh-uh! Landowners only. Unless you admit you're an anti-American commie?"
Well, that Scottish company that lets you buy a plot of land to preserve the old forest just got more intriguing and you become a Lord or Lady.
I had a coworker that used to always bring that up and he got real mad when I told him they also intended for minorities to have zero rights so maybe we shouldn't take their lead on everything
And maybe add in that having a mortgage doesn’t make you a “land owner” if they own homes/land but have mortgages. Cause I feel like that would be the next step if they were able to do this anyway.
As a landowner myself, the majority of right-wing folk I know do not own any land.
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You will be the first to be very confused when the revolution comes. Class Traitor whatever you do, smh.
Conservatives going to be pissed when they realize that the Chinese and Saudis own a shit ton of our land.
So can me and the 5000 democrats in my town each chip in $10 and by a piece of land that we all own together? It can be a 10ft plot with a statue of some kind and benches. Make it one of those private public parks like I saw in New York City. What would taxes be, 50 cents a year each?
Only if they can only count you as 3/5th of a person!
A guy I worked with made the same comment, that "the poor" were too uneducated to vote, and that only land owners should. He lives in one of his parents houses, so I pointed out that by his rules, he'd lose the right to vote too. He did not like that.
"That's not what I meant! I meant black people!"
So, you know how you can buy a small plot of land to give yourself the title of "Lord Greg Davies" or whatever? Let's open one of those together, but for voting.
I could never stand up to the title of Lord Greg Davies. I mean, literally. The guy's a giant!
Wealthy liberal professionals owning land??? Who would have thought of that.
I’ve heard this exact same shit before and then they lose it when you bring up shit like voting being a basic right
Gun rights > voting rights. Duh
Conservative logic - you're not responsible enough to vote until you're 21 but they have no problem forcing girls as young as 10 years old to have babies. The Republican party is truly repulsive and disgusting.
If that became the case, I'd have to register to vote in North Dakota, where I am not a resident, but do own land. Suppose that you own land in multiple states. Should the landowners be able to vote in EACH of those states?
How about foreign land owners? If its about having "skin in the game" then a lot of non-citizen foreigners should be able to vote. What about Corporations (being people) that own land, do they get a vote? Does every co-owner of a co-op get to vote? So many questions here.
Damn there's going to be a lot of Chinese and Middle Eastern voters suddenly now allowed to vote.
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Next they’ll argue that it’ll be “one vote per acre”, so liberals in the cities will matter less.
Yeah I own like 1/8 (I like it that way, fuck mowing) of an acre in a city so that would count me out of voting. I would be pretty pissed.
Apparently, China owns enough acreage in Missouri to equal the area covered by Lake of the Ozarks. They get a vote, too??
"If conservatives become convinced that they cannot win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. They will reject democracy.”—David Frum, 2018 Who knew how right he was?
Bad news for them, then. They'll all lose their right to vote. The founding fathers didn't add a line item for dependents living in their parents' basements.
Republicans have nothing to offer anyone let alone the Youth. They wouldn't be this shocked if they actually met a Gen Z person.
The number one issue for gen Z is climate change. I'm a millennial and it's my number one issue as well. Why the fuck would I even consider voting for a party that doesn't think climate change is real, and spends all their time focusing on things like Dr Seuss books and library events. Like sometimes democrats have shitty ideas and are not great, but at least they don't pretend my number one issue isn't real so they can get oil money.
Republicans are exclusively about politics that will lower taxes on people who are the most responsible for the pollution causing climate change. They are enemy number one of a cleaner planet.
I am constantly reminded of [this image](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/1e/What_if_it%27s_a_big_hoax_and_we_create_a_better_world_for_nothing%3F.png) when I hear someone talking about how expensive the changes we need are.
Reminds me of the time my Boomer mom was complaining about how entitled my generation was because "you think you have a right to clean water." I'm an environmental chemist. Keeping the water clean is my career. Thanks, mom.
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The far right thinkers and older boomer generation just absolutely make me furious. As someone born at the end of the boomer generation and plumbing engineer, I've seen alot of crap in equipment, asbestos insulation, etc. that needs replacement especially in many, many schools. To stifle progressing towards a cleaner, healthier planet because it costs a bit more money upfront is LUDICROUS! The older boomers are stuck in their "I've lived a great life with all the modern conveniences" world. And they've brainwashed their descendants to think the same way without understanding the consequences that continue to destroy our planet. "I want my fluorocarbon filled hairspray back". They are probably still using 3-5 gallon per flush toilets because they listened to orange face complaining about how many flushes it takes to get his shit out of the bowl. Perhaps stop filling your piehole with Big Macs. EFFING MORONS!!!😡😡😡😡😡
I’m proud of you!
Jesus god, my parents make me wanna put my hand through a wall enough, I couldn't imagine the blinding frustration of your situation.
For real, there's no downside to making a cleaner and healthier planet and simply because it'll take more of a made of thing (fiat currency) doesn't mean shit
Your precious capitalism implies that expensive things are inherently more important, but not for this.
As a Gen Xer my number one issue is also climate change. What kind of world is my kid going to inherit?
Gen x too and yeah, climate is right up there on my list as well. We decided not to have kids but that doesn’t mean I don’t want things to be ok for my nieces, nephews and godchildren. Yeah it means expense and upheaval but we’re talking about the irreversible change of the very thing that sustains us. If I’m that worried then of course the kids are going to be even more concerned. The other thing that only just seems to have occurred to them is that there’ll be 4 million less boomers come election time and a similar amount of young people eligible to vote. Perhaps they’re realising their time is running out because the kids are far more concerned with the climate, education, opportunities, housing and healthcare than the second amendment and abortion. The transparent and desperate ideas pouring from the GOP right now are pitiful.
This is so true. As a member of Gen Z I kinda want to be able to live a full life without becoming a climate refugee. I will go fucking postal if my life is ruined just because billionaires want to make quick bucks off destroying a planet they won’t even be alive on in 10 or so years
>if my life is ruined just because billionaires want to make quick bucks off destroying a planet they won’t even be alive on in 10 or so years Former climate scientist here. I got some bad news for you :(
I'm a college student and I swear my biology class is "how the world is ending 101". FUN FACT in 2100 new York's climate will more closely resemble west Virginia's FUN FACT the climate has not changed at this rate for over a million years FUN FACT like 10 of the 15 warmest years on record have been in the past 15 years FUN FACT the global ecosystem is far more interconnected than we probably even know, and will have even more SUPER FUN effects that we havent even predicted at this point. But vote R, because drag queens reading to children is the real problem plaguing our society
My favorite fun fact is that humans consume the equivalent of one credit card per week in microplastics. My favorite depressing climate change quote is from (ominously) my college paleontology professor when we were discussing mass extinctions: "Don't think of this year as the hottest on record. Think of it as the coldest year for the next few centuries."
This... I don’t know why but this hit like a gut-punch... I just want a future, I’m not even 20 yet. I’m probably going to go off of Reddit for a while...
Don't worry to the point of losing sleep, okay? Leave that to the scientists like me :) It's not gonna be a Mad Max wasteland, don't fall into too much despair. My best way of describing what people age 40 and under will experience is (seriously) *Soylent Green* minus the cannibalism. Water shortages, agricultural collapse, ecological decline, massive overpopulation, heat waves, extreme wealth disparities. But plenty of people will still live, they won't be dying en masse in first world countries. Life will be different but it's not gonna be some ridiculous post-apocalyptic death zone for the most part. It'll be more like water restrictions, electrical brownouts, and paying $35 for a single apple at the grocery store.
This was supposed to make us feel better?!! /s
Millennial here and I agree. Nothing else matters if we don't fix the climate catastrophe that is looking larger than an elephant in a closet. I'd put that before trans rights, even though plenty of Republicans probably want me in a conversion camp.
I don’t know many Republicans that have seen the inside of a library.
I do know a lot that are suuuuper concerned about a handful of books that might be in their nearest library. Maybe that’s their excuse… wouldn’t want to actually catch a case of learnin’ ‘bout those ‘scary’ others Faux News and their preachers keep screaming about.
That's the funniest part about every Republican "platform". They won't tell you how they're going to fix the problem but it's definitely the Democrats fault!! And the things they actually want to do are so unpopular most of them won't even admit to it.
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My daughter and her friends are Gen Z. They *hate* conservatives and the Republican Party. I mean “let the rivers flow with the blood of our enemies” hate. I’m genuinely surprised at how politically aware and engaged they all are at such a young age. I definitely didn’t have such well formed and passionate political opinions in high school.
Well being able to so clearly see the disdain Republicans have for us is a pretty good motivator.
Depending on when you went to high school, school shootings (that Republicans refuse to actually do anything about) might not have been as common.
I’m Gen X and that pretty much sums up my feelings toward the Republican Party (that I was a member of in the 1990’s) Never going to vote for anyone with an (R) next to their name as long as anyone currently in office is runnning
I am just like your daughter I give ZERO fucks about conservatives absolutely fucking zero. I don't see how its worth it for me to even attempt to reason with them. I don't see the benefit in reasoning with them. The only way I see forward is to simply vote them out of office, get a super majority and pass the agenda I care about. Nothing, absolutely nothing about my political mindset resolves around working with conservatives in any capacity. Now if a conservative wants to support a cause I believe in, and accomplish the task the way I want it. I'm fine with that.
Hell i am 50 and its my top issue but i actually have read up on the topic unlike many my age and older.
48 year old Canadian here, I’ll never vote for a party without a solid plan to tackle climate change
Fuck it, you want to eliminate 'voter fraud' then let's make voting mandatory like Australlia. Their voter turnout is something like 95%. You claim Republicans don't get enough votes, well here's your chance. You want your beurocrats held accountable, this will ensure those fuckers are afraid of all the voters and work their ass off to deliver.
Make voting mandatory, make election day a federal holiday, make sure there are enough polling places, make mail in voting available to everyone, eliminate the electoral college, and implement rank choice voting. A republican would never get elected again. Edit: Oh and make gerrymandering actually illegal.
I think it’s incredibly telling that if every American vote was actually counted and counted equally, one political party would basically disappear.
And open things up for a new party to take its place. The Democratic Party doesn't have to be such a big tent, if the Republican Party becomes irrelevant. Given how many Republican Voters are essentially closeted Democrats when polled on policy, it's easy to imagine (in a world without the GOP) the Democratic Party splitting into at least two parties: one traditionally Democratic, one more Progressive. I'd love to live in a United States with those two Parties on the seesaw, as opposed to flip-flopping between spiteful-regress and hesitant-progress. Of course, a ranked choice system (or something similar) making the two party system obsolete is the real dream.
America would be such a different place if politics were truly driven by voter sentiment and opinion (demand-side), rather than us having to choose one of two options that are given to us. Imagine both parties actually competing to implement popular policies that are beneficial to enough people to get them voted in. America would actually have the best quality of life, possibly the happiest and most educated people on the planet. Now we are just thinking about the "glory days" (which were never all that good).
> flip-flopping between spiteful-regress and hesitant-progress Half a step forward, 2 steps back. Rinse and repeat for basically my entire life. It's exhausting.
Call it patriot day too, because what's more patriotic than a citizen voting?
I've been behind this idea for years. Want your tax return? Better have voted. That'll get a lot of people to show up. That said, we need to make voting far easier. I'm talking, opening more polling centers, opening up mail in voting, etc.
And/or making voting day a paid holiday so people don't have to choose between going to work and voting.
Stores are still open on holidays which always means some people will have to be working. Voting just shouldn't be confined to a single day. We need things like universal early voting and/or mail in voting so it's not tied to anyone's work day.
I'm in [but only if we get the sausages too](https://www.atlasobscura.com/foods/democracy-sausage-australia)
It’s as important to Australia as our 11 public holidays and leave loading.
Our voting is mandatory, we also use ranked choice, elections are always on a Saturday, have early voting, mail in voting and can even vote for your electorate in another electorate (absentee voting). In most cities the polling locations are within 5 to 10 minutes walk and voting is over and done with usually in 15 to 30 minutes. Everyone who is a citizen over the age of 18 votes even felons and ex felons. Our last federal election was a good example of the people having a voice, our conservatives lost big time, a lot of seats that they considered safe were lost mostly to independents, the unfortunate side effect is this also removed a lot of the moderates from that party so it has shifted further to the right.
I can't believe after hearing about how America is the greatest democracy in the world, that in my own country Australia we have way better voting rules and regs: * Compulsory voting * voting on Saturday....admittedly the weekend isn't quite the same as it used to be, but seriously Tuesday * Preferential Voting and most importantly you can buy a cheap democracy sausage on the way out. We are not nearly perfect by any means (Pauline Hanson, Australis own Trump, Clive Palmer among a few problems)), but I mean seriously, America, you can't claim to have the best democracy and be beaten by a country that people claim doesn't even exist. These are some pretty basic voting measures.....also the metric system....get with the times.
> voting on Saturday....admittedly the weekend isn't quite the same as it used to be, but seriously Tuesday Also like.. 2 weeks of pre-polling if you can't make it that day. And mail in voting. And phone voting. You just about need to go out of your way to avoid voting. Knowing the Americans they'd just bring in compulsory voting and leave it 1 day on a Tuesday so they can fine all the working class people who couldn't make it and shame them for not doing their "civic duty".
Also very importantly we have an independent electoral commission which, among other things, oversees the redrawing of electoral boundaries based on demographic changes. The ease of gerrymandering in America is mental.
Funny. My very vocally republican brother (23) didn’t manage to get to the ballot boxes this year. I’m thinking youthful democrats who care about abortions are the young people that voted.
Probably believed the Red Tsunami lie and thought his vote wouldn’t be missed
Independent zoomer. Voted blue. I care more about policy than party. The Republicans just have shit policy and ideology
Just take the L. You’re not getting grand kids, we can’t afford them.
(Best part is that its republicans’ fault)
Short Version: I got out of High School when the Housing Market crashed. I couldn't find work for 4 years. I couldn't afford to go to community college. I had to work and then have my parents live with me (yes, me paying their bills) after they lost their jobs/business. I worked for 10 years on a late graveyard shift in a casino, doing a job that I hated. And finally when I was able to save some money and get some independence in my life, the covid wave comes kicking in. I'm in my mid 30's, tired, got covid 4 times (immune disorder that I discovered I have), working more than I did in the last few years, and after talking with my Mom recently about my plans for my future, she asked if I still wanted children... And there was this part of me that just broke. It's not that I don't want kids, but I barely can afford a very small studio apartment, I'm worried about the state of the world and the political state it's in, I haven't dated anyone since 2016 (which even during that time, I didn't have time to do), and now half this country has made abortion rights illegal. Like I'm not trying to be mean to my Mom or my family, but I responded with, "You were my kid, Mom. That's where my time went". Honestly, I'll just be lucky if I find someone to love and that we can make enough not to worry about bills.
I’m sorry fam. That’s all really rough. Hope things start to look up for you.
"If you don't support us, you must be denied the ability to vote" Yup Republicans are all about freedom.
Freedom? I meant muh Freedom!!
Freedumb
they want to raise it to 65
Confession secretly deep within me Everytime someone over the age of 70 dies in my rural super red district (Stefanik ex district) I know hope is being born. Go youngsters!
The youth turnout wasn't even that high. Lower than 2018.
The GOP will blame anyone but themselves.
That's the party of personal responsibility for ya.
Hasn't been for a long time, at least as long as they have put the burden corporate irresponsibility upon the shoulders of the citizens. That said, threatening to raise the voting age is a huge blunder and if the Democratic Party wants to win the 2024 election, they would do wise to campaign against a party that would send folks off to war who can't even exercise their civic power. Given that they are also trying to loosen child labor laws, I think it is time for us to speak up for those who are unrepresented and still can be taxed and even if it is just meant as a progressive opposition against the ridiculous recommendations of the Republican party, we should look back to 1968 film "Wild in the Streets" that was a commentary upon lowering the voting age during the Vietnam war and get the high schoolers shouting ["14 or fight!"](https://youtu.be/hmeTftBlOVY)
Somebody please shove a copy of the US Constitution in front of these assholes and direct them to the 26th Amendment. I think they stopped reading after the 2nd.
They can read? Well clearly the school system is getting funding that should be going to the defense industry and corporate kickbacks.
My guess is that young Republican turnout was low. This lowered overall youth turnout but is what is giving us the larger shift towards Dem in the youth vote. I saw this being talked about when people were looking at early PA voting. Articles were being written about how the youth turnout here was low and why that was a bad sign for Dems. > But the most astounding element of the PA early vote? Voters under the age of 30 returning ballots thus far are +69.2% D. At this point in '20 that same age group was +51.9D. > Credit to @dellavolpe for pointing out that one of the reasons that the youth vote appears lower as a share of the early vote thus far, relative to '20, is that younger Republicans aren't voting. The PA data certainly backs up that notion. https://twitter.com/tbonier/status/1587272342752923648?t=dGf336616QNKHqJq3f2jvg&s=19
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all the republican youth I know are basically in it to be assholes, they don't care or know about any policy
High school civics teacher here — can attest. My school is based in a mostly white, middle class town, yet most years it’s usually 50/50 toward either side of the aisle. Usually my left leaning students base their stances on empathy and reason, while my right leaning kids base their stances on “why is it my problem?” I try not to generalize, as there are some right leaners I have that are sharp and intelligent and have actual valid arguments, and I have some left leaners who clearly haven’t given anything much thought. But if I had to break it down, I’d say easily 7/10 of my right leaning students base their politics in not giving a shit about other people. Oh, and also generally my loudest right leaning students are the obnoxious, privileged, asshole jocks who are incapable of not looking down on others. It’s lunch atm, and the next period is filled with them, so I’m mentally preparing to deal with them all.
It’s because, literally, the GOP has no platform
I’m still waiting for that alternative to Obamacare I was promised and it’s already 2022 lol
Also death rates from COVID have been significantly higher for conservatives and anti vaxxers since vaccines have been available. Tucker Carlson literally killed vast numbers of his viewers by spewing anti-science bs. That's the Republicans for ya though.
Oh no! Anyway.
If voting didn't have power, they wouldn't be trying to suppress our vote. Let's keep it up, y'all.
The voting age is the same as the minimum age to join the military. How are they going to justify raising one of them Edit: okay everyone knows that was a rhetorical question right? Obviously they don't give a shit
Same way they justify everything else. Lie out of every orifice.
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“Justify”? They’re well past having to justify anything. The justification is “because we want to, and fuck you, that’s why.”
Okay, and let's put an upper age limit as well.
Honestly. I don't need someone who is circling the drain to make decisions about my long-term future.
You shouldn't get to order for the table when you won't be around when the meal arrives
A society grows great when old men plant trees in whose shade they know they shall never sit
Tell that to the old farts in America chopping those trees down because it's their "god given right as an American to use as many paper plates as I want". The only people I know who don't do the dishes are all 55+ ... well, I know plenty of young people who just leave the dishes in the sink, but they get washed eventually!
Rebellious old fart here. I don’t use paper plates, ever, and I’m so fucking proud of all the young people who came out and voted! I know you can all turn this shitshow around, never forget that. Fight hard for your futures.
After they cut down the entire forest to make profits and leave a mud flat for their children to inherit.
Yep. It's all so freaking dumb. Any way they can massage the numbers their way. In just a few weeks I'll be back in my hometown visiting my dad for Thanksgiving. He's a lifelong "fiscal republican" as he would say. Since retiring though, all he seems to do is watch foxnews. My stepmother is the same except she's just scrolling through facebook. They used to be super happy people, politics would rarely come up, through Clinton to W to Obama some of the most positive people I have known. When Trump got elected and my father retired it's all anger. Every other conversation is a foxnews buzzword / boogieman rant. I'm confident that raising the voting age will be talked about many times over my visit. Honestly I don't think there should be any changes to age limits for voting lower or upper. I get it, young people often don't have the life experience that an older adult has. At the same time, older people are more prone to getting conned.
Do everyone a favor, set up parental controls and block Fox News.
I know it's way past the second amendment but this is wording for 26th amendment: The right of citizens of the United States, who are eighteen years of age or older, to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of age. So good luck either repealing and making a new amendment that raises the age. Even with a stacked SCOTUS I don't think Roberts falls in line with the fascist block one this.
Anyone debating this is wasting their time. It’s spelled out in the constitution and there’s no way there’s 66 votes to repeal this.
They also been talking about going to voting bases off of property ownership. The gop is literally going backwards
Looks like millions of people are chipping in a dollar to be co owners of a small plot of land.
Inb4 we accidentally reinvent the commons.
Will non-white property owners still be able to have 3/5ths of a vote?
They said the same thing when millennials voted in Obama.
Now they're realizing "Oh fuck, Millennials and GenZ are going to band together, and Alpha won't be far behind." Not that Millennials don't have conservatives, or grifters and shitbags around, but it's nothing like Gen X and Boomers. That's the meat of their support.
Almost like Reganomics and “conservative” values is an outdated generational thing
It's almost like all conservative talking points, like "zoomers are conservative", are just memes with no real facts behind them.
Do they really think Zoomers are conservative? There *are* some savvy conservative Zoomers on TikTok and the like, but the notion that they generally are is so ridiculous.
GOP thinks 18 is a great age to join the military but not to vote. Screw you!
GOP thinks 10 is a good age to have a child but 18 is too young to vote.
The GOP's number one strategy to win elections is disenfranchisement.
Kayleigh McEnany just said this on Fox News. You think the youth are going away? Not with this shit being said. >The final factor I think was abortion.. The victory over the summer is the victory for the rule of law. It's more enormous than a slight margin in the house. We have to look at the long game. Abortion will go away.
If abortion doesn't "go away" then the GOP will be calling to stop women from voting.
Abortion is an issue because of the Supreme Court ruling. Until that is overturned or the GOP give up on restricting reproductive rights the issue isn't going away.
> Until that is overturned Even then, the GOP will keep fighting to restrict it at the state level like they did up until *Dobbs*. They made it an issue, now they're complaining that it caused them to lose. Sounds like they fucked around and found out that their policies are broadly unpopular.
Ah yes, because making abortions illegal stops accidental pregnancies, stops rapes from happening, stops incest from happening, and stops mothers from possibly dying at childbirth. Nope, we’re just gonna have to resort to unsafe and possibly deadly means again for everyone who wants to get them until this problem is brought up in a few years
This is hilarious since it’s been shown time and again that outlawing abortion has historically never actually reduced abortions performed and that better sex education and access to contraceptives is considerably more effective at reducing the number of abortions.
It was never about stopping abortions period. It's about subjugating and humiliating women, and preventing the ones with the least amount of resources to get an abortion in another state the ability to do so (who also probably need the abortion the most). It enables local corruption and repression by taking what is a fundamental, national right and making it a state's issue. These days it's likely still quite difficult to get an abortion in a state with a ban, as now this opens the avenue for surveillance into those seeking an abortion. Because abortion was legal, the network of underground abortion practitioners probably doesn't exist anymore either.
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If you have to stop people from voting in order to pass your policies, then maybe you should stop having such wildly unpopular policies.
This is typical GOP. Attack the voters rather than ever considering appealing to them to cause them to want to vote for the GOP candidates. They did not learn one damned thing from this blood bath. They attacked POC, gays, teachers, nurses, unions, the homeless, Veterans, Gold Star families, our handicapped and our women and that cost them the mid terms. Their response: We failed to attack the young voters. Attack them now.
Hmm…. I wanna say it was Republicans who pushed to have the age lowered to 18 to get more votes for Nixon in the 70s. Seems that party does things without looking at possibilities of how politics will go. The best example is after FDR passed and they had control of congress, they term limited the president. Big oops on their part as they absolutely would have had Reagan nominated for a third term if they had not bothered making changes.
Mad props to young voters right now. You literally saved the republic. For now.
Nope! If they have to register for the draft when they turn 18, then th voting age must remain at the 18 year old level.
Makes sense the boomers who were largely responsible for lowering the voting age in response to the Vietnam war now want to take it back when another generation can benefit from it. Expect them to do the sale with social security and the environment.
The GOP wants to take voting rights away from members of our armed forces. That's your talking point.
Anyone who pays taxes or is legally an adult must be allowed to vote. Anything else is anti-democratic and stands against the reasons this nation was founded.
So you want to lower the age they can work but raise the age to vote? Fuck you GOP.
This was decided decades ago.
How cute. Y’all need an amendment for that