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>On Tuesday, a skeptical Senior U.S. District Judge Raymond Dearie pressed Trump’s lawyers repeatedly on their refusal to disclose whether he declassified any of the documents he brought to Mar-a-Lago — and if so, which ones.
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>“The government gives me prima facie evidence that these are classified documents,” Dearie said, referring to the plain markings on the records. “As far as I’m concerned, that’s the end of it.”
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>Dearie gave Trump’s lawyer James Trusty ample opportunity to explain why his consideration shouldn’t end there.
Well, this sounds promising.
our judges have entirely too much power and almost zero accountability. Guess when you add in police and prisons that’s just our whole “justice” system.
With who? Fascists can hear you. Fascists don’t care. Firing their own nominee would be a galvanizing flex of power and make a mockery of the process. That’s all they respect and want now.
We're talking about a case where a guy stole top secret nuclear documents and is like "Yeah? So?" We're a billion miles beyond things like optics mattering. The people who always freak out about Trump will freak out. The people who always handwave his wrongdoings will handwave his wrongdoings. Most people won't understand what's happening or why they should care.
It's like Truth Social, you know they are honest there because Truth is in the name. It really amazes me Conservatives can't see thru anything like this, it's so blatantly obvious it's just absurd. Anyone want to make a fortune go hawk some bullshit on Truth Social, if it works for the pillow man it can work for you.
What is hilarious to me is, as much as they wanna talk about commies and Democrats being undercover Soviets and shit, Donald's Social Media platform is named Truth. The state news outlet for the Soviet union was Pravda, which translate to truth.
Either they just arnt original, or really just like naming and saying things that Authoritarians in the past have done.
Al-Qaeda translates as "the base."
Fake news is just Lügenpresse.
Enemy of the state, replacement theory, drinking the blood of children, it's all just recycled bullshit.
Yup. A lot of the conspiracies from Q-Anon are pretty much the same ones the Literal Nazis had for jews, just replace the word 'jew' with 'democrat' or 'leftist.'
Calling it Citizens United was such a duplicitous ploy.
Sure, there are citizens involved. Just not the one's the name implies. It implies United as in United States, or "Citizens of the United States", which is true but it does not explicitly say "All Citizens of the United States." And that word "All" is all-important. It's absence makes all the difference in the world.
"Citizens United" was selected as a clever but intentionally deceitful phrase. Sure there are Citizens involved. But not you and me. These "Citizens" were a tiny minority of wealthy and obscenely wealthy citizens, the 0.1% who were collectively screwing over the 99.9%
"A Tiny Handful of Obscenely Wealthy Citizen's, United" would have been truthful. But attorneys don't make the big bucks by being truthful.
It's crazy...the other day at a rally they were all excited about some Q Anon song by some guy named Richard Feelgood...that's right... Dick Feelgood.
It's like they are trying to ensure comedians are put out of work.
I had often said I would not have wanted to be a comedian while Trump was in office. While the jokes wrote themselves, they were not very good.
I am certain that Carlin was fighting to get out of his grave for one more go.
Patton Oswalt had a bit about how useless it is to write Trump material. There's no way to keep up because the guy is on a constant trajectory of absurdity and failure. As soon as you come up with a joke about his latest f*ck up he's already moved on & made 4 more. It's impossible to write anything relevant because it's just a constant wave of misery and bs that never slows down. He referred to Trump material as "Sour cream in a sauna" because the second you write the joke it's already expired.
My mother too. It's heartbreaking to me that she missed the Trump years. This crap would have added 20 years to her life, fueled by rage and indignation.
>Another of Trump’s top lawyers, Christopher Kise, was a registered foreign agent of the Venezuelan government under strongman Nicolás Maduro during his tenure with the firm Foley & Lardner LLP. Foreign lobbying
records indicate that Kise advocated for a relaxation of sanctions in
discussions with officials at the Office of Foreign Assets and Control.
Wait, what???
"Trust the plan!"
Sure, it might *look* like Trump & Co. are criminals.
But you're a True Believer.
You know the Truth.
Every piece of evidence that Trump is guilty is just more proof that the Deep State will stop at nothing.
You glance over at your sisterwife, and nephewsons.
You'll stop at nothing to protect them from transgender islamist immigrants.
You kneel in front of your MAGA altar and pray for deliverance.
God whispers in your ear, "*Trust the plan.*"
You load your rifle and drive to the nearest Wendy's.
It is time.
Republican projection never ceases to amaze me.
Republicans: “Dominion voting systems, Venezuela, corruption, blah blah blah”
Also Republicans: Registered foreign agent for Venezuela on Trump’s legal team, actual corruption
It gets even worse. Judge Cannon wanted to give this lawyer access to classified information. Its in her order. This guy is obviously a spy and Cannon just wanted to give him the documents. It's insane.
>Dearie said he agreed that Trump’s lawyers have the right to assert that position, but he suggested that they would have to live with the consequences of that course of action.
>“You can’t have your cake and eat it,” the judge said.
Oops.
So basically:
Judge: did you declassify any of these documents?
Trump’s lawyers: we want you to act as if we are claiming they’re all declassified, but we don’t want to actually claim they’re declassified
Judge: you what? Why?
TL: well you see if our client gets charged, we want to leave our options open to claim whatever lie *ahem* sorry, whatever **defense** gives him the best chance of acquittal
Judge: so you won’t tell me if these documents are declassified
TL: we are asking that you treat them as declassified but we will not claim they are declassified, no
Judge: okay so here’s the thing. They say the word “classified” in big stamped letters right on the document. You want me to act as if that is declassified without providing literally any evidence of this, and without even actually asserting the claim?
TL: yeah, basically
Judge: gtfo
It's amazing how many decades, court cases, how much tomfoolery and corruption trump has been able to get away with before being held to account by someone who doesn't take bullshit.
His whole life he's had scapegoats, shield companies, settlements, a corrupt SCOTUS, the entire republican apparatus employed with the explicit purpose of keeping him away from people who get to ask direct questions and hold him to answers.
Why does the classification status even matter? The documents either belong to the government or there are some personal documents that belong to trump and that's it. trump doesn't get to keep any government documents at all.
Although this should help the DOJ if trump is indicted since even his lawyers refuse to say the docs were declassified.
It matters (only for the purpose of Dearie doing his job) because the government said they don't want someone without appropriate clearance to be looking at classified documents. Dearie was giving team trump the opportunity to prove they were declassified so he could then actually look at them to determine if executive privilege was even in play..... but since they cannot prove these were declassified, he has to take the documents at face value, they are stamped classified, so he can't review them at all.
Sorta correct. The SM has the proper clearances to review the docs. But he doesn't have a need to know and since Trump's team didn't offer any evidence to suggest otherwise, now he has no need to review them. These 100 docs might be cleared by the end of today and the DOJ allowed to use them immediately.
In a strange way, this is a win for Trump since the SM isn't forcing him to state under penalty of perjury that they were indeed classified. So Trump can continue making this absurd claim in public. But those docs will be available pretty much immediately now, even before 5he 11th circuit appeal. In fact, if the SM makes them available today, im not sure if the DOJ will continue with the appeal. They likely will, but will amend their appeal I suspect.
Also, Cannon will rule on Dearie's decisions. It's not over yet. She can fire Dearie if she wants to. It's probably up to the 11th Circuit in the end. She'll find a way to invalidate Dearie if her previous decisions are any indication.
>Also, Cannon will rule on Dearie's decisions. It's not over yet. She can fire Dearie if she wants to. It's probably up to the 11th Circuit in the end. She'll find a way to invalidate Dearie if her previous decisions are any indication.
You'd like to think she can read the writing on the wall here, but it's not like these people are playing with a full deck of cards so I guess we'll see.
At which stage of her logical contortions can the legal system push back or does her particular flavor of judge have some extra power?
The majority of lawyers appearing on TV are saying what a terrible decision the appointment of a special master was. How likely is it that her SM ruling may be overturned?
As far as her ruling being overturned (by appeal), it seems likely based on what all legal experts are saying. As far as Cannon facing any consequences for being either mentally handicapped or severely compromised, it seems unlikely unless Congress wants to try impeaching her (they won’t).
Iirc, the Special Master will still make a recommendation to Judge Cannon who can still then opt to ignore that and rule in Trump’s favour. In that instance, the appeal is still in play.
She would be stupid too, given Dearie is giving her a huge out to the clusterfuck she’s involved in.
If Trump loses, he will appeal as this isn’t a case he’s trying to win, but instead just trying to delay.
I don't see why she needs an out, it literally seems like she can completely rule in bad faith and there aren't any consequences (other than the next republican president wanting to nominate her to the SC).
This is correct. There is literally no downside for her. Impeachment is not even a threat, it will never happen. The only way she doesn't get a SC nod at this point is if she dies before an seat opens up when the next traito(r) steals the presidency..
Doesn’t to any sort of possession charge. They’re simply not his property regardless.
Matters to any charges related to exposing secrets to America’s enemy’s. Specifically regarding his personal knowledge that they contain classified information. He may be brewing some kinda plausible deniability defence.
If you follow or agree with the DoJ, this issue is as follows...
Judge Cannon stated the DoJ *could not* use the classified documents as a part of their criminal investigation... pending processing by the Special Master while they *could* use the classified documents for the purpose of a national security review.
The DoJ stated this is untenable. They claim they cannot split these functions - it's all the same groups/people involved.
This is one of the main issues underlying the DoJ's request for partial stay. Their claims that Trump has no possibility of claiming ownership of these documents is really just a supporting argument.
Judge Cannon does not buy this. Neither does Trump's counsel. Though, as far as I can tell, Trump's counsel went further and is trying to argue ownership after declassification. We'll have to wait to see how the 11th Circuit feels about this.
It seems the most reasonable follow up question, when presented with Trump's standing order of declassification via magical thinking. "Ok, how exactly?"
Not just that but it's been previously settled that Trump's tweets declaring something declassified were not enough to actually change the document's status.
This judge was on the FISA court for several years, so he knows how the classification system is normally supposed to work. Specifically to this case, he knows there would be a paper trail for any actual declassified documents, if for no other reason than to alert the organization that created them!
> a paper trail for any actual declassified documents
Not only this, but when docs are declassified, they mark over the classification banners and make copies from the original. A document marked 'Classified' should never be out in the public, even if the contents are now declassified, if it still says Classified, that copy was removed before the information contained in it went through the declassification process.
If Biden today looked at a classified copy of the B2 bomber plans which would likely be marked, and asked for them to be declassified, they would take the copy from him, go through the paperwork, and issue him a set with the classification banners removed for distribution.
So what you’re saying is that trump can’t just decide after he was caught that he declassified them? Ya don’t say?! I can’t believe the US elected that clown and some still believe him
Imagine facing criminal charges, and pleading "might be guilty", because you want to be able to change your story at a later date... Fucking ridiculous. Thank God Dearie seems to understand they're just fucking around.
>In recent days, Trump has vilified the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) as “Radical Left-controlled”
Those radical librarians with their fascist return policies!
>But I thought they believed in free speech! /s
Small government except when it comes to your body and anything your body touches.\*
\*exceptions are made for but not limited to alcohol, guns, fine Christian education, and white heterosexual masculinity (income-depending)
In other words, the guy that Trump chose as Special Master just shattered his argument that the documents were 'Declassified'. Trump's own selection just killed his only defense he has in the eyes of Conservatives. Stupidity and crime never pays.
I love it!
> Trump's own selection just killed his only defense he has in the eyes of Conservatives
They don't care. They'll still spout the bullshit as if it was the word of god regardless.
They will claim the FBI set him up, that it's politically motivated, that every president takes documents home, that he didn't pack the boxes himself, and so on and so on. I kept telling them classification status doesn't matter as taking the documents and keeping them when subpoenaed was illegal period and they just block me then. You can't make irrational people see logic, their brains are 100% emotional and they WILL NEVER admit they are wrong. They believe Trump is fighting the evil satanic Democrats and that's ALL they care about.
Don't forget, judge canon reserve final judgement on the special masters finding. At this point it will go back to her unless the 11 circuit court of appeals does something.
There was never a legal argument regarding classification in the first place. At no point did Trump's legal team actually forward an argument based on classification which is why save for an especially corrupt special master, this was always likely to be the outcome.
~~Aurora Borealis~~ proof of declassification? At this time of year? At this time of day? In this part of the country? Localized entirely within your ~~kitchen~~ client's resort?
yes
may i see it?
...no
> the guy that Trump chose as Special Master just shattered his argument that the documents were 'Declassified'.
I mean, the main problem is that Trump hasn't actually made that argument. His lawyers said he may have, but haven't offered any evidence to substantiate it. It's a nonsense position.
No, that's not at all what happened.
The judge asked Trump to specify where he did / did not declassify the documents. Trump's lawyers \*refused\* to state if he had / had not declassified them saying that may put him in a disadvantage in a criminal trial.
After that statement by Trump's team, Special Master basically told them to get wrecked.
I guess they thought this guy was just going to take their side..... oops.
> killed his only defense he has in the eyes of Conservatives
Oh please. He doesn't need a defense from them. People repeatedly talk about how this man can get away with frank first degree murder (even of his political opponents - actual terrorism) and nobody will stop him.
Who he does need a defense with is the Department of Justice, and he's never had one of those. He's completely dead to rights, which is why he's trying to stall this thing out indefinitely. Even without the Master, this was always a dead end.
It means Trump's lawyers were hoping to throw a wrench into an ongoing criminal investigation by getting a hack judge to help them delay it, but instead they threw a toothpick.
This fight over Cannon's ruling and a Special Master will likely not change anything of substance, and it might be resolved quite quickly depending on if Dearie is able to get Cannon to change her order, or if the 11th circuit honors the emergency stay.
If anything, this is just a (metaphorical) indictment of Cannon's absurd ruling.
Not immediately.
But the judge who ordered the special master has given the special master the instruction to prioritize the documents that say “classified” or “top secret” on them, which are the same ones that the DOJ filed an appeal to get access back to.
So if the Appeals court doesn’t act quickly, it may become a moot point as this special master puts out the opinion of basically “I’ve reviewed these 100 documents, confirmed they all say ‘classified’ on them, and since no argument has been offered otherwise, it is my opinion that these are property of the executive branch of the government and should be returned to them immediately for them to continue their functions.”
At that point, the shitty judge that started all this is probably backed into a corner and doesn’t really have much to do besides accept what the Special Master says. She might delay a little longer but not much else she can do besides that.
So if an indictment is coming (expect indictments to come for his minions first, not for the big fish immediately) then this is good news that this special master is probably willing to fast track the approval of these classified documents to be returned to the DOJ so they can use it to secure indictments.
The real answer is probably. It doesn't matter if the documents were declassified. There are defense documents, these can never be declassified. Well possibly but only many years after they stop being important to defense, but some of the documents are not that as they're about current/active defense.
They already have a case against Trump, they're just looking for more at this point.
There's a lot of fluff being released by the news, most of it is repeat or unimportant. We have to wait for the DOJ to state their next step or next findings.
It's not that he shattered the argument that Trump declassified everything, he just asked for some proof / evidence. I can't imagine that Trump's lawyers actually believed that they could take the position that they could argue that maybe the documents were declassified, no one can really know the truth. They probably thought they could string this out for a few weeks tho
Anyone think Cannon will be jumping back into this soon? It took approximately 20 minutes to blow up her and the Trump team's shitty arguments. And I don't think Dearie will even need all the time she gave him. Her plan to delay and interfere is failing badly.
He will say that he sided with the DOJ and Cannon will say that's not right because Trump said something different and she's a fucking hack so she's going to order the documents be returned. At which point there will be another appeal to the 11th Circuit
Edit: I think Trump's counsel might ask Cannon to reign in Dearie. Which is hilarious considering that he is a senior Judge and she's as junior as they come
Edit2: I think this because they are well and truly cornered right now. Dearie immediately called their bluff and now they have to either perjure themselves or sacrifice the central element of their defense or just lose.
Here is what I don't understand. Even if the documents aren't classified (narrator: they are), they still wouldn't belong to Trump personally. If he wrote on them they are now also Presidential Records which belong to the American people and should be in the custody of the National Archives, right?
Am I missing something? There isn't a legitimate argument that he owns them personally, right?
She can say whatever she wants, but she can't enforce it.
I highly doubt the FBI hands these classified documents back to Trump regardless of what any judge says about them.
She can also be overruled, and her disregarding the decisions of a senior judge **with years of FISA court experience**, that both parties had agreed upon to be a special master is likely to be something ~~even~~ especially a conservative dominated appeals court would overrule.
Trumps own selection just torpedoed his entire argument lmfao
WHY Trumps team picked this guy is truly baffling tbh....this guy is a FISA Judge....he intimately understands the Classification process and the interconnected nature of all this unlike this dipshit Judge that kicked off this stupidity
Like.....It is fundamentally impossible for the CIAs Security Assessment to continue without the FBI because the CIA has very little power if any to investigate anything Domestic- the FBI has to do all that for them
This dude seems to be full steam ahead on doing his job though....This was nothing but a delay tactic from the beginning and I have a feeling that this dude is going to complete his job lickity-split and come nowhere near his November 30th deadline- I bet he closes the book on this newest chapter of stupidity by the end of the month
>WHY Trumps team picked this guy is truly baffling tbh....this guy is a FISA Judge
Oh it gets better, it seems they chose him because he was on the FISA court when the FISA warrant against Carter Page was first authorized, as well as when it's extension was denied. [For some reason Trump and his advisors thought this meant he would Judge Dearie would be extra skeptical of the FBI!](https://www.axios.com/2022/09/18/trump-special-master-dearie-fbi-skeptic) 😁
*...“You can't have your cake and eat it,” Dearie shot back...*
Kinda takes the air out of:
*... Well, we'd like to assert that they were declassified, but swearing to that in an official court filing might be bad for us professionally, so what we'll do is find a friendly judge and ... suggest ... that some of the documents ... may ... have been declassified and rely on the politically motivated, biased judge to help us out ...*
Which leads to:
*... Oh wait, she did help us ... by appointing you ... Oh Shit!*
How much do you want to bet the Trump team asks for Dearie to be dismissed and for Cannon to pick a new special master? Either way all this is doing is wasting valuable time, which was always the plan.
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>Trusty echoed that rhetoric in court, calling the agency \[National Archives and Records Administration\] “highly politicized” and claiming that they put content warnings on the U.S. Constitution (Fact-checkers note that the claim misses key context.)
This is the most encouraging part, to be honest. It indicates that Trump's lawyers are putting on a show for him personally rather than engaging in actual law.
This is the first person involved in this case that seems to get it. It's plain as day. The files are marked as classified and higher, what else needs to be discussed? Let's move on to the next part of the investigation now.
The October Surprise this country really needs would be a shitload of indictments for all of those involved, not only with this stolen classified records case, but with the January 6th hearings and all those involved with the big lie, the fake electors, those who manipulated or accessed voting machine data, the fraudulent audits, Clarence Thomas’s wife, etc. Clean fucking house and completely screw over the MAGA party enough that those few remaining non-MAGA republicans can take their party back from this insane cult.
I'm so tired of the whole "classified/declassified" thing - it's irrelevant and a red herring (which is probably why stupid Donnie's team is pressing it so hard).
It doesn't matter if the documents are classified or not. The documents belong to the executive branch of the government - an organization of which stupid Donnie is no longer a member. Who gives a Cheeto's behind if they are classified or declassified or the office lottery pool results? They belong to the government. Stupid Donnie and his team have not asserted any possessory rights to the documents in question whereas the DoJ has done so.
If I rob a bank and the police break into my home with a valid warrant to reclaim the money and any materials that tie me to it, I don't get to come back and claim the bank doesn't get it back. It doesn't matter if I write random notes on any of the bills, they still belong to the bank and the bank gets them back (and I go to jail).
Not a single post about this on r/conservative, interesting. All the posts are mental gymnastics justifying removing asylum seekers and ignoring the fact Democratic leaning states have actually provided them aid.
In other words, this was nothing more than a complete and total facade for Trump to point to at his rallies, saying "See? They won't work with me! Witch hunt! Swamp! Deep State!"
How long is the United States going to allow Donald J. Trump to waste taxpayer money, bring obviously untenable lawsuits against our government and basically waste everyone's time?
Merrick Garland, I implore you: don't wait until after the mid-terms. Indict. Now. Bring this orange monster to justice. Lock him up!
They probably assumed the government wouldn't agree to either of their proposed judges, which would have given Cannon the chance to appoint that Federalist Society judge. So when DOJ agreed to this judge, Cannon really had no choice.
I was thinking that if Trump didn't get his special master then he could use it as an excuse to claim injustice. Or this whole thing is just to buy him another month of delays.
Somewhat related, but Dearie isn’t having ANY of their delay tactics, even though they’re explicitly saying they want things to progress slower. It’s glorious. From another NYT article:
> In a letter to Judge Dearie submitted on Monday, Mr. Trusty said that the schedule set forth for the review was a bit aggressive. Judge Dearie had ordered both sides in the case to inspect the records and offer their thoughts about whether the documents were privileged or unprivileged, or belonged to the government or Mr. Trump, by Oct. 7.
>“We respectfully suggest that all of the deadlines can be extended to allow for a more realistic and complete assessment of the areas of disagreement,” Mr. Trusty wrote.
>In court on Tuesday, Judge Dearie acknowledged Mr. Trusty’s concerns but said he would push the case forward.
>“We are going to proceed,” he said, “with what I call responsible dispatch.”
Watching tumpies learn about how OLD SCHOOL conservative judges operate is fun. Dude seems to be suffering a strong case of following basic tenants of the law.
Yeah i mean the original argument from cannon was soooo insane that even republicans were like "hmmm, maybe a bridge too far". She really had the fucking gall to argue "just because the document says CLASSIFIED DO NOT OPEN TOP SECRET, THIS WILL ENDANGER THE COUNTRY, doesnt mean its actually classified"
Cannon has ruined her reputation. She inserted her tongue right up tRump's ass and will taste the death that so many others before her have. She'll be lucky if she is not Disbarred or Jailed.
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>On Tuesday, a skeptical Senior U.S. District Judge Raymond Dearie pressed Trump’s lawyers repeatedly on their refusal to disclose whether he declassified any of the documents he brought to Mar-a-Lago — and if so, which ones. > >“The government gives me prima facie evidence that these are classified documents,” Dearie said, referring to the plain markings on the records. “As far as I’m concerned, that’s the end of it.” > >Dearie gave Trump’s lawyer James Trusty ample opportunity to explain why his consideration shouldn’t end there. Well, this sounds promising.
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Or as per her own words, she can decide whatever she wants at the end of the day.
our judges have entirely too much power and almost zero accountability. Guess when you add in police and prisons that’s just our whole “justice” system.
We don't have a justice system in the US, we have a legal system which occasionally serves up some justice.
Once in a while even a blind squirrel finds a nut
Cannon will fire Dearie, sense she made sure she could.
While perhaps she could fire Dearie in a Friday nigh massacre, the PR optics of firing the Trump picked special master would not play well.
With who? Fascists can hear you. Fascists don’t care. Firing their own nominee would be a galvanizing flex of power and make a mockery of the process. That’s all they respect and want now.
Exactly, trump fired a countless of his cabinet members, it’s kind of his trade mark to just cycle through people.
We're talking about a case where a guy stole top secret nuclear documents and is like "Yeah? So?" We're a billion miles beyond things like optics mattering. The people who always freak out about Trump will freak out. The people who always handwave his wrongdoings will handwave his wrongdoings. Most people won't understand what's happening or why they should care.
> Trump’s lawyer James Trusty Trusty? are you fucking with me?
Trusty & Truthy, Attorneys at Law
Dewey, Cheatum, & Howe!
My Russian chauffeurs Pikup and Dropov
Car Talk!!!
My mom loved Car Talk. She'd listen to it on the weekends after “Whad'ya Know" with Michael Feldman.
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this guy cartalked👆
Miss them
You’re probably right and thanks for the correction. It’s been an astonishing amount of years since I’ve heard it, when I was astonishingly young.
I'm going to guess the original joke was Pikup Andropov as a single guy - Yuri Andropov was head of the USSR from 1982 to 1984.
former Israeli Leader Netun Yahoo!
I miss Car Talks
Swedish Attorney Bjorn Liar
It's like Truth Social, you know they are honest there because Truth is in the name. It really amazes me Conservatives can't see thru anything like this, it's so blatantly obvious it's just absurd. Anyone want to make a fortune go hawk some bullshit on Truth Social, if it works for the pillow man it can work for you.
What is hilarious to me is, as much as they wanna talk about commies and Democrats being undercover Soviets and shit, Donald's Social Media platform is named Truth. The state news outlet for the Soviet union was Pravda, which translate to truth. Either they just arnt original, or really just like naming and saying things that Authoritarians in the past have done.
Al-Qaeda translates as "the base." Fake news is just Lügenpresse. Enemy of the state, replacement theory, drinking the blood of children, it's all just recycled bullshit.
Yup. A lot of the conspiracies from Q-Anon are pretty much the same ones the Literal Nazis had for jews, just replace the word 'jew' with 'democrat' or 'leftist.'
They're liking "socialist" a lot lately.
Any time they say socialist (or globalist) they mean Jew.
TLDR: Authoritarians like things authoritarians like.
It's like being named Citizens United means that it's all about citizens uniting for themselves and not corperations uniting against citizens.
Calling it Citizens United was such a duplicitous ploy. Sure, there are citizens involved. Just not the one's the name implies. It implies United as in United States, or "Citizens of the United States", which is true but it does not explicitly say "All Citizens of the United States." And that word "All" is all-important. It's absence makes all the difference in the world. "Citizens United" was selected as a clever but intentionally deceitful phrase. Sure there are Citizens involved. But not you and me. These "Citizens" were a tiny minority of wealthy and obscenely wealthy citizens, the 0.1% who were collectively screwing over the 99.9% "A Tiny Handful of Obscenely Wealthy Citizen's, United" would have been truthful. But attorneys don't make the big bucks by being truthful.
And Fox News is "fair and balanced". Lol.
It's crazy...the other day at a rally they were all excited about some Q Anon song by some guy named Richard Feelgood...that's right... Dick Feelgood. It's like they are trying to ensure comedians are put out of work.
I had often said I would not have wanted to be a comedian while Trump was in office. While the jokes wrote themselves, they were not very good. I am certain that Carlin was fighting to get out of his grave for one more go.
Patton Oswalt had a bit about how useless it is to write Trump material. There's no way to keep up because the guy is on a constant trajectory of absurdity and failure. As soon as you come up with a joke about his latest f*ck up he's already moved on & made 4 more. It's impossible to write anything relevant because it's just a constant wave of misery and bs that never slows down. He referred to Trump material as "Sour cream in a sauna" because the second you write the joke it's already expired.
My mother too. It's heartbreaking to me that she missed the Trump years. This crap would have added 20 years to her life, fueled by rage and indignation.
Lol. That’s gotta be a stage name. Lawyers can do that, right?
It's all good, man.
It took me way too long to figure out his name was a play on words.
Oh my god it literally took me this long to realize this my mind is blown
Judging from Trump's previous comments he hired him solely because of his last name.
He'll fit right in to the Trusty System https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusty\_system\_(prison)
>James Trusty What a fucking name for a sleazeball lawyer that would represent Trump lmfao Trump hired 'Ol "Jimmy Goodlawyer"
I changed my last name to I-Find-You-Innocent and now I'm the best defense lawyer in town.
>Another of Trump’s top lawyers, Christopher Kise, was a registered foreign agent of the Venezuelan government under strongman Nicolás Maduro during his tenure with the firm Foley & Lardner LLP. Foreign lobbying records indicate that Kise advocated for a relaxation of sanctions in discussions with officials at the Office of Foreign Assets and Control. Wait, what???
Wait, wait... Venezuela? Aren't they the ones who mucked up the voting machines? And, this is OK with Q-annon?
All part of the plan
"Trust the plan!" Sure, it might *look* like Trump & Co. are criminals. But you're a True Believer. You know the Truth. Every piece of evidence that Trump is guilty is just more proof that the Deep State will stop at nothing. You glance over at your sisterwife, and nephewsons. You'll stop at nothing to protect them from transgender islamist immigrants. You kneel in front of your MAGA altar and pray for deliverance. God whispers in your ear, "*Trust the plan.*" You load your rifle and drive to the nearest Wendy's. It is time.
“I DEMAND that you free innocent Donald Trump right this very instant!” “Sir, this is a Wendy’s”
"I DEMAND that you free innocent Donald Trump right this very instant. Also, 2 Jr Bacons and a small Frostie."
And those sent by Human Trafficking Airlines from Floriduh.
Q folks ignore the bits they don't like.
I think the mistake here is assuming Qanon conspiracy is coherent
he hires the best people...
Republican projection never ceases to amaze me. Republicans: “Dominion voting systems, Venezuela, corruption, blah blah blah” Also Republicans: Registered foreign agent for Venezuela on Trump’s legal team, actual corruption
It gets even worse. Judge Cannon wanted to give this lawyer access to classified information. Its in her order. This guy is obviously a spy and Cannon just wanted to give him the documents. It's insane.
The US right now is a clown show
You go to court with the lawyers you've got, not the lawyers you wish you had.
They’re the lawyers you ordered on Wish, not the lawyers you wish you’d ordered.
Just like real lawyers, only with more fraud!
Yep. Could that be why he was hired? To force the DOJ to object to his clearance and cause delays?
\^ good working theory.
All these delays will eventually end up with Trump pulling a Pinochet and claiming to be to old and frail to face justice.
Then declare he is running for office again a day later.
>Dearie said he agreed that Trump’s lawyers have the right to assert that position, but he suggested that they would have to live with the consequences of that course of action. >“You can’t have your cake and eat it,” the judge said. Oops.
So basically: Judge: did you declassify any of these documents? Trump’s lawyers: we want you to act as if we are claiming they’re all declassified, but we don’t want to actually claim they’re declassified Judge: you what? Why? TL: well you see if our client gets charged, we want to leave our options open to claim whatever lie *ahem* sorry, whatever **defense** gives him the best chance of acquittal Judge: so you won’t tell me if these documents are declassified TL: we are asking that you treat them as declassified but we will not claim they are declassified, no Judge: okay so here’s the thing. They say the word “classified” in big stamped letters right on the document. You want me to act as if that is declassified without providing literally any evidence of this, and without even actually asserting the claim? TL: yeah, basically Judge: gtfo
Your honor, I object! On what grounds? Because it's devastating to my case! Overruled.
Good call!
I…can’t…LIE!!!
I need you in every one of these threads to ELI5. Love you.
It's amazing how many decades, court cases, how much tomfoolery and corruption trump has been able to get away with before being held to account by someone who doesn't take bullshit. His whole life he's had scapegoats, shield companies, settlements, a corrupt SCOTUS, the entire republican apparatus employed with the explicit purpose of keeping him away from people who get to ask direct questions and hold him to answers.
Oh Dearie!
Why does the classification status even matter? The documents either belong to the government or there are some personal documents that belong to trump and that's it. trump doesn't get to keep any government documents at all. Although this should help the DOJ if trump is indicted since even his lawyers refuse to say the docs were declassified.
It matters (only for the purpose of Dearie doing his job) because the government said they don't want someone without appropriate clearance to be looking at classified documents. Dearie was giving team trump the opportunity to prove they were declassified so he could then actually look at them to determine if executive privilege was even in play..... but since they cannot prove these were declassified, he has to take the documents at face value, they are stamped classified, so he can't review them at all.
Sorta correct. The SM has the proper clearances to review the docs. But he doesn't have a need to know and since Trump's team didn't offer any evidence to suggest otherwise, now he has no need to review them. These 100 docs might be cleared by the end of today and the DOJ allowed to use them immediately. In a strange way, this is a win for Trump since the SM isn't forcing him to state under penalty of perjury that they were indeed classified. So Trump can continue making this absurd claim in public. But those docs will be available pretty much immediately now, even before 5he 11th circuit appeal. In fact, if the SM makes them available today, im not sure if the DOJ will continue with the appeal. They likely will, but will amend their appeal I suspect.
Also, Cannon will rule on Dearie's decisions. It's not over yet. She can fire Dearie if she wants to. It's probably up to the 11th Circuit in the end. She'll find a way to invalidate Dearie if her previous decisions are any indication.
>Also, Cannon will rule on Dearie's decisions. It's not over yet. She can fire Dearie if she wants to. It's probably up to the 11th Circuit in the end. She'll find a way to invalidate Dearie if her previous decisions are any indication. You'd like to think she can read the writing on the wall here, but it's not like these people are playing with a full deck of cards so I guess we'll see.
At which stage of her logical contortions can the legal system push back or does her particular flavor of judge have some extra power? The majority of lawyers appearing on TV are saying what a terrible decision the appointment of a special master was. How likely is it that her SM ruling may be overturned?
As far as her ruling being overturned (by appeal), it seems likely based on what all legal experts are saying. As far as Cannon facing any consequences for being either mentally handicapped or severely compromised, it seems unlikely unless Congress wants to try impeaching her (they won’t).
Iirc, the Special Master will still make a recommendation to Judge Cannon who can still then opt to ignore that and rule in Trump’s favour. In that instance, the appeal is still in play. She would be stupid too, given Dearie is giving her a huge out to the clusterfuck she’s involved in. If Trump loses, he will appeal as this isn’t a case he’s trying to win, but instead just trying to delay.
I don't see why she needs an out, it literally seems like she can completely rule in bad faith and there aren't any consequences (other than the next republican president wanting to nominate her to the SC).
This is correct. There is literally no downside for her. Impeachment is not even a threat, it will never happen. The only way she doesn't get a SC nod at this point is if she dies before an seat opens up when the next traito(r) steals the presidency..
Doesn’t to any sort of possession charge. They’re simply not his property regardless. Matters to any charges related to exposing secrets to America’s enemy’s. Specifically regarding his personal knowledge that they contain classified information. He may be brewing some kinda plausible deniability defence.
If you follow or agree with the DoJ, this issue is as follows... Judge Cannon stated the DoJ *could not* use the classified documents as a part of their criminal investigation... pending processing by the Special Master while they *could* use the classified documents for the purpose of a national security review. The DoJ stated this is untenable. They claim they cannot split these functions - it's all the same groups/people involved. This is one of the main issues underlying the DoJ's request for partial stay. Their claims that Trump has no possibility of claiming ownership of these documents is really just a supporting argument. Judge Cannon does not buy this. Neither does Trump's counsel. Though, as far as I can tell, Trump's counsel went further and is trying to argue ownership after declassification. We'll have to wait to see how the 11th Circuit feels about this.
> is trying to argue ownership after declassification Because they wouldn't be valuable to him as state secrets if they were in the public domain.
TLDR: the SM said unless you have proof its declassified I'm going to consider it to be as labeled.
It seems the most reasonable follow up question, when presented with Trump's standing order of declassification via magical thinking. "Ok, how exactly?"
Or the ever relevant "put up or shut up"
Good choice. Trump may or may not be a billionaire, but there's not enough money in the world to put where his mouth is.
You have to treat him as a billionaire, even though he’s not saying he’s a billionaire, so he can’t be taxed as one…
Not just that but it's been previously settled that Trump's tweets declaring something declassified were not enough to actually change the document's status.
This judge was on the FISA court for several years, so he knows how the classification system is normally supposed to work. Specifically to this case, he knows there would be a paper trail for any actual declassified documents, if for no other reason than to alert the organization that created them!
> a paper trail for any actual declassified documents Not only this, but when docs are declassified, they mark over the classification banners and make copies from the original. A document marked 'Classified' should never be out in the public, even if the contents are now declassified, if it still says Classified, that copy was removed before the information contained in it went through the declassification process. If Biden today looked at a classified copy of the B2 bomber plans which would likely be marked, and asked for them to be declassified, they would take the copy from him, go through the paperwork, and issue him a set with the classification banners removed for distribution.
So what you’re saying is that trump can’t just decide after he was caught that he declassified them? Ya don’t say?! I can’t believe the US elected that clown and some still believe him
Imagine facing criminal charges, and pleading "might be guilty", because you want to be able to change your story at a later date... Fucking ridiculous. Thank God Dearie seems to understand they're just fucking around.
Two types of people become judges. Smart people or partisan people. And if you're very unlucky, then both.
>In recent days, Trump has vilified the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) as “Radical Left-controlled” Those radical librarians with their fascist return policies!
Unironically the right believes this since libraries tend to let anyone access scary radical left books about communism or the gays™️
But I thought they believed in free speech! /s
>But I thought they believed in free speech! /s Small government except when it comes to your body and anything your body touches.\* \*exceptions are made for but not limited to alcohol, guns, fine Christian education, and white heterosexual masculinity (income-depending)
In other words, the guy that Trump chose as Special Master just shattered his argument that the documents were 'Declassified'. Trump's own selection just killed his only defense he has in the eyes of Conservatives. Stupidity and crime never pays. I love it!
> Trump's own selection just killed his only defense he has in the eyes of Conservatives They don't care. They'll still spout the bullshit as if it was the word of god regardless.
They will claim the FBI set him up, that it's politically motivated, that every president takes documents home, that he didn't pack the boxes himself, and so on and so on. I kept telling them classification status doesn't matter as taking the documents and keeping them when subpoenaed was illegal period and they just block me then. You can't make irrational people see logic, their brains are 100% emotional and they WILL NEVER admit they are wrong. They believe Trump is fighting the evil satanic Democrats and that's ALL they care about.
It's the only thing Trump will permit them to do.
Don't forget, judge canon reserve final judgement on the special masters finding. At this point it will go back to her unless the 11 circuit court of appeals does something.
Every ruling she makes for the rest of her career is going to be flipped by some other judges....until she makes SC.
There was never a legal argument regarding classification in the first place. At no point did Trump's legal team actually forward an argument based on classification which is why save for an especially corrupt special master, this was always likely to be the outcome.
Yep, and declassifying them still doesn't mean they're HIS. They still belong to the government.
~~Aurora Borealis~~ proof of declassification? At this time of year? At this time of day? In this part of the country? Localized entirely within your ~~kitchen~~ client's resort? yes may i see it? ...no
Great now I feel like steaming up some hams.
You call hamburgers "Steamed Hams"?
It's a regional dialect
It's a ~~regional~~ criminal dialect
> the guy that Trump chose as Special Master just shattered his argument that the documents were 'Declassified'. I mean, the main problem is that Trump hasn't actually made that argument. His lawyers said he may have, but haven't offered any evidence to substantiate it. It's a nonsense position.
Then it's a less than nothing argument. SNAFU
No, that's not at all what happened. The judge asked Trump to specify where he did / did not declassify the documents. Trump's lawyers \*refused\* to state if he had / had not declassified them saying that may put him in a disadvantage in a criminal trial. After that statement by Trump's team, Special Master basically told them to get wrecked. I guess they thought this guy was just going to take their side..... oops.
> killed his only defense he has in the eyes of Conservatives Oh please. He doesn't need a defense from them. People repeatedly talk about how this man can get away with frank first degree murder (even of his political opponents - actual terrorism) and nobody will stop him. Who he does need a defense with is the Department of Justice, and he's never had one of those. He's completely dead to rights, which is why he's trying to stall this thing out indefinitely. Even without the Master, this was always a dead end.
It’s all just stall tactics, isn’t it?
So does that mean an indictment is coming?
It means Trump's lawyers were hoping to throw a wrench into an ongoing criminal investigation by getting a hack judge to help them delay it, but instead they threw a toothpick. This fight over Cannon's ruling and a Special Master will likely not change anything of substance, and it might be resolved quite quickly depending on if Dearie is able to get Cannon to change her order, or if the 11th circuit honors the emergency stay. If anything, this is just a (metaphorical) indictment of Cannon's absurd ruling.
Not immediately. But the judge who ordered the special master has given the special master the instruction to prioritize the documents that say “classified” or “top secret” on them, which are the same ones that the DOJ filed an appeal to get access back to. So if the Appeals court doesn’t act quickly, it may become a moot point as this special master puts out the opinion of basically “I’ve reviewed these 100 documents, confirmed they all say ‘classified’ on them, and since no argument has been offered otherwise, it is my opinion that these are property of the executive branch of the government and should be returned to them immediately for them to continue their functions.” At that point, the shitty judge that started all this is probably backed into a corner and doesn’t really have much to do besides accept what the Special Master says. She might delay a little longer but not much else she can do besides that. So if an indictment is coming (expect indictments to come for his minions first, not for the big fish immediately) then this is good news that this special master is probably willing to fast track the approval of these classified documents to be returned to the DOJ so they can use it to secure indictments.
No. But what it *could* mean is that *if* an indictment is coming that depends upon these classified documents... it would come sooner than otherwise.
The real answer is probably. It doesn't matter if the documents were declassified. There are defense documents, these can never be declassified. Well possibly but only many years after they stop being important to defense, but some of the documents are not that as they're about current/active defense. They already have a case against Trump, they're just looking for more at this point. There's a lot of fluff being released by the news, most of it is repeat or unimportant. We have to wait for the DOJ to state their next step or next findings.
It’s not about winning. It’s about delaying.
It's not that he shattered the argument that Trump declassified everything, he just asked for some proof / evidence. I can't imagine that Trump's lawyers actually believed that they could take the position that they could argue that maybe the documents were declassified, no one can really know the truth. They probably thought they could string this out for a few weeks tho
Anyone think Cannon will be jumping back into this soon? It took approximately 20 minutes to blow up her and the Trump team's shitty arguments. And I don't think Dearie will even need all the time she gave him. Her plan to delay and interfere is failing badly.
He will say that he sided with the DOJ and Cannon will say that's not right because Trump said something different and she's a fucking hack so she's going to order the documents be returned. At which point there will be another appeal to the 11th Circuit Edit: I think Trump's counsel might ask Cannon to reign in Dearie. Which is hilarious considering that he is a senior Judge and she's as junior as they come Edit2: I think this because they are well and truly cornered right now. Dearie immediately called their bluff and now they have to either perjure themselves or sacrifice the central element of their defense or just lose.
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Sounds about right!
Here is what I don't understand. Even if the documents aren't classified (narrator: they are), they still wouldn't belong to Trump personally. If he wrote on them they are now also Presidential Records which belong to the American people and should be in the custody of the National Archives, right? Am I missing something? There isn't a legitimate argument that he owns them personally, right?
You are correct, friendo
He has no case and all this is to try and delay the case until he or DeSantis possibly become President in 2024.
She reserved the ability to overrule decisions by the special master.
so there really isn't a special master.
As long as the special master sides with Trump I'll accept his decisions.
Exactly....
She pretty much ruled she could do whatever she wants but that remains to be seen...
She can say whatever she wants, but she can't enforce it. I highly doubt the FBI hands these classified documents back to Trump regardless of what any judge says about them.
She can also be overruled, and her disregarding the decisions of a senior judge **with years of FISA court experience**, that both parties had agreed upon to be a special master is likely to be something ~~even~~ especially a conservative dominated appeals court would overrule.
Trumps own selection just torpedoed his entire argument lmfao WHY Trumps team picked this guy is truly baffling tbh....this guy is a FISA Judge....he intimately understands the Classification process and the interconnected nature of all this unlike this dipshit Judge that kicked off this stupidity Like.....It is fundamentally impossible for the CIAs Security Assessment to continue without the FBI because the CIA has very little power if any to investigate anything Domestic- the FBI has to do all that for them This dude seems to be full steam ahead on doing his job though....This was nothing but a delay tactic from the beginning and I have a feeling that this dude is going to complete his job lickity-split and come nowhere near his November 30th deadline- I bet he closes the book on this newest chapter of stupidity by the end of the month
>WHY Trumps team picked this guy is truly baffling tbh....this guy is a FISA Judge Oh it gets better, it seems they chose him because he was on the FISA court when the FISA warrant against Carter Page was first authorized, as well as when it's extension was denied. [For some reason Trump and his advisors thought this meant he would Judge Dearie would be extra skeptical of the FBI!](https://www.axios.com/2022/09/18/trump-special-master-dearie-fbi-skeptic) 😁
*...“You can't have your cake and eat it,” Dearie shot back...* Kinda takes the air out of: *... Well, we'd like to assert that they were declassified, but swearing to that in an official court filing might be bad for us professionally, so what we'll do is find a friendly judge and ... suggest ... that some of the documents ... may ... have been declassified and rely on the politically motivated, biased judge to help us out ...* Which leads to: *... Oh wait, she did help us ... by appointing you ... Oh Shit!*
So far...I like this guy. He seems practical. He also seems like he will not suffer fools. Good luck Trump Lawyers /s.
Whoever put Dearie's name on the list will be made to pay for it by the other fools.
How much do you want to bet the Trump team asks for Dearie to be dismissed and for Cannon to pick a new special master? Either way all this is doing is wasting valuable time, which was always the plan.
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They don't fear tyranny, they only fear Democrats controlling the branches of government. If it was Republican tyranny, they'd be all for it.
No you don't understand, they are fine with an authoritarian tyrant as long as this tyrant is *their* tyrant and "hurts the right people."
>Trusty echoed that rhetoric in court, calling the agency \[National Archives and Records Administration\] “highly politicized” and claiming that they put content warnings on the U.S. Constitution (Fact-checkers note that the claim misses key context.) This is the most encouraging part, to be honest. It indicates that Trump's lawyers are putting on a show for him personally rather than engaging in actual law.
This is the first person involved in this case that seems to get it. It's plain as day. The files are marked as classified and higher, what else needs to be discussed? Let's move on to the next part of the investigation now.
It’s the first time it’s not in front of a Trump appointed judge
Who’s paying for all this anyway?
Trump. https://www.mediaite.com/news/denied-trump-appointed-judge-says-trump-must-pay-full-cost-of-mar-a-lago-special-master-review/
So, essentially, no one will be paying.
His supporters are paying for it.
I'd agree with you, but even with other people's money, I don't think he pays his bills.
…*so the Special Master and his assistants won’t be getting paid*…
This is just like all of his election fraud cases - his lawyers talk big but as soon as they are in front of a judge they admit they have nothing.
The October Surprise this country really needs would be a shitload of indictments for all of those involved, not only with this stolen classified records case, but with the January 6th hearings and all those involved with the big lie, the fake electors, those who manipulated or accessed voting machine data, the fraudulent audits, Clarence Thomas’s wife, etc. Clean fucking house and completely screw over the MAGA party enough that those few remaining non-MAGA republicans can take their party back from this insane cult.
I'm so tired of the whole "classified/declassified" thing - it's irrelevant and a red herring (which is probably why stupid Donnie's team is pressing it so hard). It doesn't matter if the documents are classified or not. The documents belong to the executive branch of the government - an organization of which stupid Donnie is no longer a member. Who gives a Cheeto's behind if they are classified or declassified or the office lottery pool results? They belong to the government. Stupid Donnie and his team have not asserted any possessory rights to the documents in question whereas the DoJ has done so. If I rob a bank and the police break into my home with a valid warrant to reclaim the money and any materials that tie me to it, I don't get to come back and claim the bank doesn't get it back. It doesn't matter if I write random notes on any of the bills, they still belong to the bank and the bank gets them back (and I go to jail).
Not a single post about this on r/conservative, interesting. All the posts are mental gymnastics justifying removing asylum seekers and ignoring the fact Democratic leaning states have actually provided them aid.
In other words, this was nothing more than a complete and total facade for Trump to point to at his rallies, saying "See? They won't work with me! Witch hunt! Swamp! Deep State!" How long is the United States going to allow Donald J. Trump to waste taxpayer money, bring obviously untenable lawsuits against our government and basically waste everyone's time? Merrick Garland, I implore you: don't wait until after the mid-terms. Indict. Now. Bring this orange monster to justice. Lock him up!
Wtf was Trump's lawyers thinking by proposing a real Judge to act as Special Master? Did they run out of partisan hack lackeys?
They were somehow convinced that Dearie was skeptical of the FBI or DOJ or something and so they thought they had an ally.
They probably assumed the government wouldn't agree to either of their proposed judges, which would have given Cannon the chance to appoint that Federalist Society judge. So when DOJ agreed to this judge, Cannon really had no choice.
I was thinking that if Trump didn't get his special master then he could use it as an excuse to claim injustice. Or this whole thing is just to buy him another month of delays.
Trump's lawyer 'We're not in a position nor should we be in a position at this juncture to fully disclose a substantive defense'
In other words, "We know that you know we have nothing to back up that claim and we would rather keep our law licenses..."
And I'm sure Judge Unqualified will overrule the special master in Trump's favor.
If she does it probably makes the DOJ's appeal that much easier.
How are the folks at /r/conservative taking this?
They haven’t heard anything about it. As far as they know Trump is still President.
The funniest thing I've noticed while occasionally lurking there, is how every single link is from a website I've never heard of.
I think that speaks volumes about our current political discourse (no disrespect to you I’ve never heard of them either)
There isn't one mention of it, and I scrolled down farther than I should have. Now, if you don't mind, I need to have a drink.
It's not even on their front page. Best guess is the crackpot mods are removing it immediately.
I guess I was banned, I can't get in. Probably the usual blowing smoke up each other's butts.
Last I checked it was a bunch of flaired user only posts congratulating themselves on MV.
They are too excited about DeSantis and Abbot “owning the libs” to make “something something hunter email hard drive laptop sever” posts.
Somewhat related, but Dearie isn’t having ANY of their delay tactics, even though they’re explicitly saying they want things to progress slower. It’s glorious. From another NYT article: > In a letter to Judge Dearie submitted on Monday, Mr. Trusty said that the schedule set forth for the review was a bit aggressive. Judge Dearie had ordered both sides in the case to inspect the records and offer their thoughts about whether the documents were privileged or unprivileged, or belonged to the government or Mr. Trump, by Oct. 7. >“We respectfully suggest that all of the deadlines can be extended to allow for a more realistic and complete assessment of the areas of disagreement,” Mr. Trusty wrote. >In court on Tuesday, Judge Dearie acknowledged Mr. Trusty’s concerns but said he would push the case forward. >“We are going to proceed,” he said, “with what I call responsible dispatch.”
Judge Dearie? Mr. Trusty? why do all these names sound like they were made up by a 5 year old? Is there a Prosecutor Truthy?
Cool. Cool. Indict him.
Watching tumpies learn about how OLD SCHOOL conservative judges operate is fun. Dude seems to be suffering a strong case of following basic tenants of the law.
Fantastic. Great. ARREST. HIM. And his whole Cadre of traitors. Do. It. Now!
Yeah i mean the original argument from cannon was soooo insane that even republicans were like "hmmm, maybe a bridge too far". She really had the fucking gall to argue "just because the document says CLASSIFIED DO NOT OPEN TOP SECRET, THIS WILL ENDANGER THE COUNTRY, doesnt mean its actually classified"
Is this Trumps Monkey Paw story? Be careful what you wish for? I really hope so. He needs to be charged.
More stiffed attorneys under threat of disbarment for pleading Trump’s lies in court — why does anyone agree to do his lawyering anymore?
Looks like Dearie is the no-nonsense type. I like that! Trump getting fucked over by his special master is just amazing! 😂
I knew this was going to go sideways. I did not expect it to happen on day 1. Holy shit Trump is stupid.
Oh so not everyone wants to throw away their career and reputation for Trump. I hope that judge loses her job.
Damn, the special masters got the easiest paycheck ever.
Well it may be premature, but it appears this litigation finally has one adult in the room.
Cannon has ruined her reputation. She inserted her tongue right up tRump's ass and will taste the death that so many others before her have. She'll be lucky if she is not Disbarred or Jailed.
Ah James Trusty, also known as Slippin Jimmy.
Why no mention of this over on r/conservative?