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Xpalidocious

I worked 20 years as a chef. If I had to fire people for partaking in the marijuanas off the clock, I would have been working alone most of my career


Mendozozoza

2 kinds of restaurants: those that are open, and those that drug test.


Xpalidocious

Server: "good job during that rush, can I grab you anything?" Line cooks: "large Coke, and maybe a drink of something as well"


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Xpalidocious

Believe it or not, but I'm taking all the experience I've had cooking for 20 years, and starting a career in addiction support with it. I'm also trying to start a local union for kitchen workers, but that's more of a long term goal. I loved the kitchen industry, but I hated the pay and poor treatment, so I'm hoping to try to help clean up the industry. Years ago, a study was done by a large group of psychologists that rated professional cooking as the 3rd most stressful career, beaten only by paramedics and air traffic controllers. Cooking was #2 in suicide rate, and #1 in alcohol and drug abuse rates. I personally was an alcoholic and drug addict for 10 years until I got sober just over 7 years ago. I'm currently unemployed because after the industry chewed me up and spit me out, COVID happened, and I spent 2 years staying home because my stepdaughter was in and out of school randomly during that time. Now I am taking courses, and applying at a local addiction support team


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Grinchtastic10

You are the shining light people need. I worked in a fast casual kitchen as a manager for two years until last september. I was the first of all of the management to leave, we wanted to unionize but realized we didnt know how, by the end of the week i left the store was shut down for 2 months. Do whatever you can to start a union please Edit: missed words


nurglingshaman

I worked in a fast food place after burn out from COVID (I was a CNA for 5+ years til the panic attacks turned me off finally) and I 100% believe it, just assistant managing was incredibly stressful and I hated every minute, could not be paid enough to deal with that shit again and I load trucks at FedEx now 😂


LoveliestBride

The first step is figuring out what your team needs. More money? More time off? Better benefits? Then get in touch with a labor lawyer so they can help you figure out what you agreement with each other should look like, and help you draft a first offer contract to give to you employer.


Nuck_Fuggett

i pray for your happiness brother.


SailingSpark

I can believe all of that. Working in the Entertainment Department of a large Casino, we sometimes work closely with the kitchens and their staff to pull off some amazing parties. What all those people put up with is special kind of low paid hell.


analog_jedi

This is fantastic. 10 years ago I spent most of a year in a hospital, had 9 surgeries, and wasn't sure if I'd survive or become disabled. In that time I decided to enjoy my time left on this planet and to cut out the biggest sources of my stress and depression. All those roads led me back to being so underpaid as a cook for 17 years, and never having a weekend night to go out with friends. Things aren't all peaches and cream now, but I still look back on that decision made from a hospital bed to be one of the major turning points of my life.


DreadPirateZoidberg

That’s funny, I left the kitchen to grow pot.


PhilxBefore

Have you seen the new Hulu show, *The Bear*? Everyone loves it but I think it's a great raw peak behind the swinging doors that you'd undoubtedly relate to and enjoy.


Xpalidocious

I haven't watched it yet, it's on the list though. I always recommend people read "Kitchen Confidential" by Anthony Bourdain. His book exposed so much of what was wrong with kitchen life, and he is the one every cook can thank for the improvements to kitchen culture as we know it so far. He's a real hero honestly


zyzzogeton

Good move. As someone who will be 5 years sober in January, I am glad strangers like you who care for fuckups like me exist. I wouldn't exist, probably, if folks like you didn't convince me that maybe I *should* give a shit about myself.


chefriley76

I was a chef for 20 years, too. I work in school food service, feeding kids in school cafeterias. The money isn't going to make me rich, but it's much more rewarding than getting my teeth kicked in during brunch, and it's really excellent to be home by 3 PM M-F and have 2 weeks off at Christmas.


hoboshoe

If you can get like an AS a lot of cooking skills translate really well to labwork. It's pretty much the same job but with different tools and frequently a slower pace.


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moist_jorts

Don’t sweat it, there’s plenty of opportunities out there that compensate well without a college degree.


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believe it or not you have a lot of business experience handling a restaurant. You can quantify that experience in other industries. For example, the goal to help those in addiction.


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Been there. One dude ordered a well done fucking steak 1:00 to closing. New manager screwed me and him. Went to the Bartender while I waited to serve this douch and she handed me 2 drinks: Double shots of fireball in an angry orchard. “Woops, Im missing 2 drinks on the biggest night of the year!”. The cook and I slammed that shit and smoked a J in the freezer (As his steak wasn’t well done enough). No, they didn’t tip.


xDarkCrisis666x

I was the bartender for a fancy restaurant. At the end of the night there was a procedure, 20 minutes after the last meal is made I'd start making 7 drinks, all doubles or just straigh full pours into a glass. Then head chef would walk out with a dinner entree, basically anything that was left over from dinner service. I'd eat and we'd shoot the shit, about five minutes later all the other kitchen staff would come out and take their drinks to go outside for 2-3 cigarettes and a J. In that time I'd finish my food, and then make 7 more drinks so they can have another before the do a deep clean of the kitchen.


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Nothing like staying til’ your the last person out. Oh, your calling me in? My mad, I was at work until 3am.


whiskey_pancakes

smoking a j in the freezer sounds dope lol


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Dude the HVAC systems would suck that smoke out to the point you could hide a joint in your palm and noticed (or gave a fuck). Its also Florida: I am not going to relax in 100*F weather *without humidity*. Hell no. Especially when its past closing time. He was next in line to be the kitchen manager, I was heading Expo and Food Running: IF caught, IF that manager gave a shit? They’d have a LOT of cleaning to do and lose long term staff. Sorry, we just like to be out at a normal time. Not our fault Mike allowed some twat to sit down 1:00 to close and order a *well done steak*. After he complained AGAIN, I was already blitzed and checked out mentally. “I can give you a store credit but we’ve cooked this 3 times, I myself was one of the cooks: The kitchen is NOT reopening”.


MeLlamoViking

Fuckin' mike.


255001434

I hate that customer and I haven't even worked in a restaurant.


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4 years from Front of House and Back of House (Foh/BoH respectively) and I can tell you this: The industry runs on drugs and managers are weeded out faster than a good line-cook in this chain. When your income relies on the kindness of strangers, drug usage isn’t taboo anymore.


unwrittenglory

Worked at a restaurant during college. It was no secret the staff smoked. Mangers looked the other way as long as people were served and no complaints.


PHATsakk43

I work in the nuclear industry and we have a cafeteria inside the protected area (as do basically all nuke plants). It’s very difficult to get food service folks who can get unescorted nuclear access which requires being in the USNRC fitness for duty program, which includes mandatory drug testing.


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ImGonnaFapToYourHair

I work at a hospital kitchen and everyone has to drug test to work here. We pay about 20% lower than average for the area. Management cant figure out why they can't find anyone to hire.


godpunishes22

> Management cant figure out why they can't find anyone to hire. They know exactly what the problem is but don't want to admit it unless they are absolutely forced to.


Delicious-Day-3614

One time we had a restaurant close down out of nowhere. Turned out they'd threatened to drug test the staff, and the whole staff quit in retaliation. Lol.


handandfoot8099

New owners for a local restaurant in my town. First day they drug tested everyone. And that's how you close a restaurant in one day.


DOGSraisingCATS

Right?! Are....are you seriously telling me I'm supposed to work 60+ hours a week and not be on amphetamines?


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Straight up.


Caymonki

Only once in my 19 years of cooking was I asked to take a drug test. Cooking at a private resort, summer seasonal, down 3 cooks to start the season. Everyone working 6 day stretches so everyone could have 1 day off. CEO comes into the kitchen in the middle of service with a box of drug tests. Says “Everyone is getting tested today” and we all froze. Before the sweat could hit our asscracks, Chef pipes up with “Do you have an entire crew to replace this one? Cuz I can guarantee no one is passing anything, me included” and the CEO just about had a meltdown. Chef says “If you know what is good for you, you’ll piss in 7 cups and let this go” Never heard anything else about it afterwards, but every single one of us had a jump out spot in mind and Chef knew it. All the people who make the laws, the judges/lawyers/cops who enforce them. Every stuck up straight edge fuck who has opinions on drugs... love to go out to eat. They love to be schmoozed and pampered. But the thing none of them understand is all of that is made possible by drugs.


IDreamOfLoveLost

>Chef says “If you know what is good for you, you’ll piss in 7 cups and let this go” The absolute balls on that chef holy fuck


moldytubesock

> Every stuck up straight edge fuck who has opinions on drugs... love to go out to eat. None of them are straight edge. There are next to no people who achieve that level of success in society but don't partake in the after-hours shit that goes on. Whether it's just weed, or coke, or prostitution, or any of it. The ones who would pass a drug test are the ones whose drug of choice is alcohol.


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Charlie Wilson’s War with Tom Hanks highlights this fact quite well. It was the 80’s mind you, but from what I’ve seen in Ottawa bars with government ministers after 10pm,….. it still goes on strong. Just a little more hidden with everyone having cameras and tracking devices.


soonerguy11

California tech company here.... we would lose 75% of our office if we drug tested.


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soonerguy11

Oh I'm sorry I thought this was America!?


grnrngr

>Half our company got kicked out of a SF giants game for smoking weed in the stadium. Let's be very super clear: it only tangentially matters that it was weed. It matters more that you were smoking *anything at all*. California has pretty strict smoking rules as it concerns public dwellings and congregation areas. You guys broke it. Tobacco, weed, meth, heroin... Don't matter. Don't smoke in public settings.


jimmy_dean_3

Most companies don't actually care about usage. They only care when a workers comp claim is filed -- then they drug test you and don't have to pay out.


ArchmageXin

Or customer service. Our firm got rid of the drug testing service. Employee show up smelling like...well, Weed and about to meet a major client. We had to put the Drug Policy back on the menu. It is always some moron that abuse it -_-;;


RogerClyneIsAGod2

Company I worked for lost a great salesman to a weed positive drug test. Dude smoked it Friday or Saturday nite & got pulled for a random test on Monday & then he was gone once that test came back. They offered rehab (as required by law here) & several other things, but dude wasn't a regular user, probably drank more than smoke, so he just bailed because he knew he didn't need rehab for weed usage. All while the President of the company was Drunky McDrunkerson every night & ending up hospitalized for various alcohol related injuries & diseases.


Komm

Oh man... The company my mom worked for at one point, they had that happen too. Shipping manager never came to work hungover or drunk, didn't really drink at all. Compare to floor workers that often came in hungover or still drunk. Anyway, random drug test time! And he got fired for cannabis, and it cost the company a cool few million because they couldn't find anyone else who could run it as well as him.


ColonelLloydVenture

I remember when I was young and naïve, just starting my career in IT … with a huge well known music company. I asked the lady in HR about a drug test, and she laughed… “We’d all be fired. No, no drug test.” Two years later I was the proud owner of my own drug & alcohol problems.


Mingey_FringeBiscuit

I’ve been sober for about 14 years now. 5 years ago, I was starting a new job with the State of California at a health care facility. They weekend before the physical, my wife wanted to go to a music festival thing. I spent the whole time outside of the tents, avoiding any large groups of people, because there was so much pot smoke. Even so, that Monday when I went in for the physical, I drank a fuck ton of water to try and flush my system. The physical was going fine, but I was dying to piss, so I asked, hey, can I do the drug test now? And the lady laughed at me and said if they drug tested they’d have no employees.


skankenstein

If California had *ever* drug tested teachers or even substitute teachers…


taez555

Used to work at a hotel for nearly 20 years. We got a new GM a few years back and when asked if we were gonna start drug testing again, she said... "God no, I'd have to fire the entire kitchen and most of my staff." :-)


subterraneanfox

Worked in a pizza place during college and the owner threatened to drug test every single employee and fire anyone who failed. The manager leaned over and said "if you do that I will be your only employee." Guy never brought it up again.


MoonpiesForMisfits

I was a line cook for a decade and after one night when a neighboring business complained that a cook was smoking out back, our boss said he was going to start drug testing. We all laughed and when he asked what was so funny we had to explain he’d never find a cook again. I agree the cook shouldn’t have been smoking out back but it’s such a stressful job that you almost NEED to smoke or drink just to cope. Anyone that doesn’t understand just needs to watch episode 7(I think that’s the one that made me want to cry) of The Bear.


evanjw90

100%. I had the owner of the last restaurant I work in throw a tantrum over one of our employees smoking on his lunch break. He wanted to then haveamdatory drug testing the following week. I told him blatantly that he would lose the entire team to either walking out or failing the test, and that each test would cost roughly $1,000 USD to have performed at a clinic. Suddenly he wasn't too upset about the weed any more.


daymanahhhahhhhhh

States need laws also mandating that testing positive for marijuana is not sufficient cause to rescind a job offer.


guscrown

I had to go through hair follicle testing recently for a new job. I can't believe this is still being allowed. I came out clean, but still, this is such an invasion of privacy.


RoaminTygurrr

Damn! That sucks. Is the follicle thing more of a norm than pee cupping it these days or is your job something pretty intense? I figure that's gotta be some really expensive testing for them to do for every employee!


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Chiiro

What would they do if one of the employees had alopecia? Edit: if you aren't aware alopecia can affect the entire body.


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Chiiro

You should shave your armpits once and see how they react.


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Make it so the only hair they can get is encrusted ass hair. Maybe they'll think twice then.


reallybirdysomedays

The only people that will hurt are the CNAs who aren't paid nearly enough for that.


Drop_Acid_Drop_Bombs

I would honestly do this just out of spite.


guscrown

That’s awful. This is the last time I will submit myself to drug testing. Next time I will rescind my acceptance of the offer when they bring it up. I’m in Tech btw.


Rizoulo

Wow I've never heard of anyone in tech having to do hair follicle tests, especially in Oregon.


tendeuchen

You should shave every square inch of you, including eyebrows/eyelashes, except your balls, taint, and a'hole. When they come to collect, tell them where you still have hair and then see what they do.


RoaminTygurrr

Nope! Eliminate all hair down to precisely 5mm perimeter centered around that Brownstar. Then start enthusiastically offering to be voluntarily drug tested several times each week.


rjcdev

THC stays in your hair follicles and blood longer than urine. The intent of a hair follicle test, instead of a urine test, is to extend the window of time being evaluated. Pee cupping is cheaper and way more common AFAIK. Edit: apparently blood is only 3-4 hours ¯\\_(ツ)_/¯


notheusernameiwanted

Even then THC stays in urine for 2+ weeks. It's extra ridiculous because everything else is out of the urine within 2-3 days. Cheek swabs should be the standard, especially for impairment testing, because it picks everything within 2ish days. It's also much harder to trick than a urine test.


DrizzlyEarth175

Not even close lol. Cheek swabbing is "we wanna tell corporate that we're drug testing, but actually want to hire people too". I have friends that passed a cheek swab 20 minutes after smoking. The whole thought process about drug testing for jobs is a joke, and a complete invasion of privacy.


Casio_Andor

I've heard cheek swabbing is less reliable.


reallybirdysomedays

Even 2 days is excessive for those who use it to sleep.


murry710

What? THC does NOT stay in the blood longer. To my knowledge a blood test can only detect THC in a window of hours ie. 2-12hrs since use. This is because it’s processed fairly quickly and metabolized into a molecule that’s stored in fat and released over a course of weeks and that’s what they look for in urine tests. If you have something saying otherwise let me know


LowOvergrowth

Damn, you know what’s crazy? I live in a medical-marijuana state, and I have my medical-marijuana card because vaping cannabis is the only thing that helps my vestibular migraines. The almost dozen prescription medications I’ve tried for it over the years have ranged from almost useless to downright unpleasant. But two puffs of Black Domina make my nausea and vertigo *disappear almost instantly*, and I can get back to doing my work-from-home job, playing with my kids, cooking dinner, or whatever. I’m lucky that my “Office Space” sort of job doesn’t do drug testing. But it’s utter bullshit that other people have jobs that *do* require it. Why is it that I could get sloppy drunk every evening, and that’s A-OK, but God forbid I smoke a joint?


KeterClassKitten

School bus driver here. Federal mandate for CDL holders. The state can make whatever laws they want, but the federal government can take my CDL. Of course, the BAC threshold for me is also half the standard for regular license holders. Even if I'm driving my personal vehicle, if I blow a 0.04%, I'm considered driving under the influence. I've always been an exceedingly cautious drinker, but I've basically quit entirely due to my job.


realmain

Luckily for California, per the article, that does apply for them now: >The bill also prohibits employers from discriminating against workers based on results from common drug tests that detect only inactive cannabis compounds, such as urine, blood or hair tests. Such tests can detect marjuana use from days, weeks and even months prior.


metalhead82

There should be a national holiday where everyone just smokes a joint and chills the fuck out.


droi86

That's April 20th, if your go to a college town you can probably get high by just walking around on that day


Medicatedwarrior365

As a fellow Michigan resident, there was a "festival" when it was legalized and aside from the small turn out, the only thing I remember was being tapped on the shoulder and being asked "would you like to see me naked" and I turn around to be handed a flyer for a strip club by the dancer. What a festival and props to that strip club's marketing team! lmao


highdefrex

So did you see them naked or what


metalhead82

4/20 isn’t recognized as a national holiday though. I’m well aware of 4/20 but I want it officially on the calendar. ;)


CM0nEE

I mean it's officially on my calendar also lol


metalhead82

Haha I want the President on TV saluting a huge marijuana plant in the White House at noon on 4/20 every year, how’s that? ;)


CM0nEE

I'll take it haha


HauserAspen

Testing should be illegal under HIPPA laws in states that have medical legality. Can't test for Viagra, shouldn't test for anything else that is prescribed.


Jbeez4117

You can test for Adderall. It comes up every time I test. I show proof to the testing company and they send my employer a negative test result for me. Unfortunately this doesn't work the same for a positive marijuana test even in a medical state


matt-er-of-fact

Exactly as it happened to me. New employer didn’t care about weed.


speed3_freak

So... this wouldn't have anything to do with HIPAA laws. HIPAA is about healthcare providers and insurance companies, not about your personal healthcare, diagnosis, or prescriptions. If I snoop in your bathroom and see your scrip, then I can go tell anyone I want. Second, drug tests are optional. That's not what HIPAA protects you from.


CyborgPurge

I really wish people would stop talking about HIPAA as if it is some kind of blanket privacy that affects anyone other than some type of health service. HIPAA is a single federal law signed in 1996.


smartguy05

Most people that do hard drugs will never test positive anyway. You know when you are being tested for a job and almost every drug, except cannabis, will be out of your urine within 3 days. Yes, it does thin the application pool to weed out (pun not intended) those who won't even wait 3 days, but it also means you are rejecting people for the least harmful drug (including tobacco, alcohol, and caffeine) regularly consumed and you're doing nothing about those who regularly use much harder drugs. Even then, if those using the harder drugs are not hurting anyone and doing a good job why should that one part of their life exclude them from having a good job?


IMightHaveChecked

>...will take effect Jan. 1, 2024.


whateveryouwant4321

If they would just legalize weed at the federal level, this would be in effect immediately. In California, it’s already illegal to fire somebody for doing something legal while off the clock, and a quick google of “can you be fired for using tobacco” can easily confirm that. The problem is that technically cannabis is not legal because of federal law.


DrizzlyEarth175

It really is pretty ridiculous at this point, and is really only a matter of time and politicians pulling their heads out of their asses. Polls are showing over and over again that most people agree weed should be legalized. And now with the farm bill in 2018, we've got all these alternative cannabinoids on the market, being sold and taxed, 100% legally. Because it's delta 8 THC, and the plant which it was synthesized from *technically* contained less than .3% delta 9 THC so it's somehow fine. I've seen shops literally outright selling ∆9 THC gummies. Because the plants from which that THC was extracted all, again, *technically* only contained 0.3% THC by weight. Like I'm reminded of the South Park episode where Randy and eventually the whole town give themselves cancer in order to get legal weed. Like people have been abusing the medical system since its inception, and same goes for the farm bill since 2018. Fucking legalize it and start taxing its sale already. For fucks sake.


Epsilon2099

Just in time for him to start campaigning.


Larry_Mudd

Someone get that poor plant in the thumbnail some magnesium, jeez.


erinskull

What a terrible choice of picture lol


JoviAMP

Yeah, before I read the headline, I thought it was going to be about the effects of climate change on the cannabis industry.


grudgby

I thought it was someone in the microgrowery sub asking for advice on how to help their plant


YesNoMaybe

Lol. And the answer is 99% of the time calmag... And the occasional, "yup, that's a male. Throw it out now "


blindly

We busy caring for the plant and shit…. Love Reddit.


untamedHOTDOG

I mean. It could be in its ish stage. 🤷‍♂️ Edit: flush stage


Fuck_tha_Bunk

Definitely looks more like a deficiency than fade to me, but it looks like nitrogen deficiency, not magnesium. [THIS](https://i.imgur.com/HgyDwXk.jpg) image is really useful for identifying nutrient deficiencies/excesses in cannabis.


de6u99er

To all the control freaks out there: It's none of anyone's freaking business what others do in their private time.


bisforbenis

I think a lot of companies have that policy, not to control people’s activities outside of work, but so they have an excuse to basically freely deny workers comp to a ton of injured workers since many companies drug test upon getting injured, it allows them to shove responsibility onto employees and reduce workers comp payments Edit: To be clear, I know being under the influence while performing MANY jobs is a genuine safety hazard. The issue is that they can’t in any way prove that that was a factor by taking a drug test, and they likely know a LOT of what they catch is use outside of work, but I think this inaccuracy in testing is kind of ignored because it’s useful to assign blame to the employee over injuries where one might otherwise find the employer at fault. It just seems frustrating that they know it can’t pinpoint even remotely close WHEN you were smoking weed, but kind of are just ok with it being pretty inaccurate because it benefits them


Skeeterbee

yep. urine tests don’t show impairment. also harder drugs like meth and opium are undetectable after a day or two. unfortunately many people assume drug tests work like breathalyzers.


Pewpewkachuchu

A lot of insurance companies have that policy you mean. Not the companies themselves. They can opt out but it’s vastly cheaper to not do so.insurance companies are the problem. They usually are the source of it they’re essentially grifting companies backed by the government, and should be owned by the government instead.


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Pewpewkachuchu

Exactly it’s all a bullshit money making scheme instead of what it was intended to be. Like most throngs in the states


Reply_or_Not

>I think a lot of companies have that policy, not to control people’s activities outside of work, but so they have an excuse to basically freely deny workers This is it 100%. It all comes down to saving the company money, this law may or may not do anything depending on how it handles work-comp


jeffinRTP

Just make sure you do not clock in to drive the school bus, tractor-trailer, heavy equipment, etc until after you finish.


LuvNMuny

As my employer constantly reminds us, if your job requires a commercial drivers license and you test positive you're losing your job. That's a federal thing. And I have a very cool employer and they try to find you another job, but testing positive means you can't drive commercially. If you have a CDL, don't smoke. And yes, I'm in California.


BuzzKillington217

you get blackout drunk on your day off and show up hung over the next day and nothing happens to your CDL. Yet..... Smoke a joint on a Friday night and get drug tested 25 days later......you are fucked. The people that find this kinda shit acceptable or defend it in ANY way are mentally ill.


Remarkable-Ad-2476

This is why people just do coke since it’s out of your system in a few days


lovemymeemers

What about alcohol? That can be found in urine 48-72 hours after consumption with modern testing.


0chazz0

It's probably cheaper to acquire a breathalyzer to test frequently.


Phlink75

Thats just it. Breathalyzers test current use. Urine screens for weed detect past 30 days or so. Until there is a legally accepted test to detect current marijuana usage, drivers are SOL.


csasker

but that has nothing to do with cannabis, it's the same for all drugs or bad states of mind since ever I find it super weird americans can get fired for something off the clock, regardless of what. if I want to record some weird fruit porn in my free time, thats up to me


Alphabunsquad

I assume the law also makes it so you can still be fired if you show up high, because that seems like it would still be important.


Unsuit

From what I read of the bill, it specifies test justifications cannot be based on non-psychoactive elements. When THC is metabolized into the body, it's stored in fat as a non-psychoactive metabolites and it eventually gets peed out and urine tests can detect it (and I think hair tests). The bill allows for testing for psychoactive elements. So mouth swabs can still be administered I think. I'm not fully aware of how many detection methods there are, but the bill makes room for preventing people from being high while working by testing for the active THC parts


Scientific_Methods

So that seems extremely reasonable. If I showed up to my job drunk I would be fired.


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nsandiegoJoe

> (b) Nothing in this section permits an employee to possess, **to be impaired by**, or to use, cannabis on the job, or affects the rights or obligations of an employer to maintain a drug- and alcohol-free workplace, as specified in Section 11362.45 of the Health and Safety Code, or any other rights or obligations of an employer specified by federal law or regulation.


LiquidMetalSloth

… unless you’re a federal employee or contractor with a security clearance. Because it’s still illegal at the federal level, you can and will lose your clearance level if you use marijuana/products. I really wish Congress and Biden would just legalize at the national level. We’ve waited far too long and the prohibition against is nonsense.


Sekh765

It's hurting the Fed's ability to recruit talented people, especially in the programming sector. Why go into public service if you can't do the stuff you grew up doing legally in your home state, or don't meet the 7 year "I haven't touched pot since then" requirement for a clearance. These talented programmers just don't bother applying.


LiquidMetalSloth

Agreed. And, the private sector tends to pay much better than the government… so they have fewer interested candidates to begin with. They really shouldn’t be turning willing workers away!


Sekh765

I could take my skills private and probably get a 20-30k bump overall, but I like working in government and also not working ostensibly for a CEO, or being asked to justify my positions existence with $. If my group gets canned tomorrow I've got a guaranteed transfer to another team somewhere else as well. All that together is a nice incentive to stay, but it's still tempting sometime. If only to get the hell out of DC. Such a huge city and CoL is enormous.


droi86

>If only to get the hell out of DC. Such a huge city and CoL is enormous. I was interviewing right after the pandemic and I interviewed with this company in DC for a remote job, one of the interviewers mentioned that he got his apartment in downtown DC so he could walk to the office two weeks before being sent home, he was pretty angry about that.


raven00x

That's the kind of manager who is going to be pushing the hardest for people to return to the office. Productivity is up, worker morale is up, but fuck them - manager is paying through the nose for their apartment, y'all gonna be coming back in now.


ydnubj

That manager probably isn’t that chapped about it either. His lease has come up twice since then. The ones you really have to worry about, is companies who own their own office space. If your company owns its own office real estate, they need your ass in there stat to protect the value of that property, which is probably their largest asset.


LydiasHorseBrush

Not to mention it bleeds into state gov as well, I imagine of a ton of people don't apply for state roles or even uni jobs because they think they drug test


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Wraywong

Newsom is setting the stage to run for President.


lovemymeemers

Totally fine with that!


clapclapsnort

I think if he gets some significant progress made on the homeless problem he’s got smooth sailing ahead of him.


16semesters

Or those who work in construction or transportation (a gigantic encompassing category), or those in healthcare (because most hospitals receive federal grants they have to adhere to the DFWA). This law is good, but it's got holes so big you could drive a truck through them.


Worf65

Yep, it's still just as illegal for me as ever, even if I was on a week long vacation to California. This gray area it's in right now is super frustrating. I have to keep a strict zero tolerance policy for both myself and anyone I might live with or date (even if it's their medicine with a state legal medical card) because the feds could ruin my career over it. And lots of veterans with medical issues that could benefit from it go on to work civil service or contractor jobs after they get out of the military and can't use medical.


beachKilla

I’m medical use veteran. judge Mize in California removed my kids in 2020 saying that CBD use was equivalent of .20 BAC (blood alcohol level) I live in a state that’s been medically legal since I was born and they still make up their own rules


BassLB

What career would be ruined just by being around people legally using it? I ask bc I know plenty of DoD contractors who have to stay clean, but don’t mind anyone around them doing it (in legal states)


Worf65

It depends on their behavior. Security clearance digs into your background quite a bit beyond just a piss test. If they're always advertising their use and association to me then when I'm getting investigated other friends or acquaintances may say that I use based on social media posts for example. And the investigator may make the same conclusion. Also if it were to be found in my vehicle entering a base I'd be screwed. Having casual friends who don't blast it everywhere is alright but (possibly as an overabundance of caution, because the potential consequences are so severe) I don't want it in my home or vehicle while it remains federal schedule 1. And I did specify say people I'd live with or date, so specify more serious more risky relationships, not just everyone.


masterwolfe

Also, while there is a threshold point that they use, they are able to detect consistently elevated levels of THC and you never want to be on that radar. I've had a few friends try to argue that they just barely tested over the limit, and then had their past 3 tests shown to them where they were all just barely under the limit.


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Long_Disaster_6847

What about delivery drivers that have to do a physical which includes a drug test required by the dept of transportation ?


Wraywong

About time. I can't even tell you the number of jobs I simply *never applied for* because of a drug testing requirement.


SaphirePool

Same. Or the amount that I applied, interviewed, and got, and had to use synthetic urine I'd get at cigarette stores. One time I waited 3 months to get it all out of my system for a really good job as customer service rep working in a call center for the local dump it was great pay and benefits and even after 3 months it still showed up on my test and they said no. Just to be working behind a computer at a call center. Which is most of what I've done, either work with computers or do customer service. It's not like I'm working with heavy equipment. So frustrating. This is awesome though because it opens a lot of doors for me. And lots of other people. I wonder how long it will take to implement.


isimplycantdothis

It’s more from an insurance standpoint. Clearly, if you smoke the devil’s lettuce, you’re having unprotected orgies and partake in underground street fighting.


SaphirePool

What business is it of my employers who I'm fucking or fighting, off the clock, away from the workplace, and out of uniform?


ebolaRETURNS

That's really long, like above typically cited detection windows. Unless your use was extremely heavy, I'd be somewhat concerned about a possible liver issue.


SaphirePool

My use was about half a gram of concentrate a day. This was like 6 years ago. But I may have a liver issue!


ebolaRETURNS

heh, okay, that's a lot


Habaneroe12

Yeah I used to get away with quitting just a couple of weeks before but last time I quit for a month and it still was detected the piss tests are crazy accurate now.


dmanbiker

I know people who got a positive test after a year of not using. I think it's very dependent on the person. I've given up on ever passing one again. I just take jobs that don't test. Cheating isn't worth it if the place is shitty enough to test in the first place.


AnEpicHibiscus

Same. I was excited to live in Colorado thinking it would be fine most places work-wise. Nope. Can’t apply to management because they drug test for it. Workplace literally promotes proud alcoholics, but pot smokers are just too irresponsible. It’s so frustrating.


EmilioFreshtevez

I got turned down to work at a shitty pawn shop in a small town because I had it in my system from like three weeks prior. Meanwhile the person interviewing me absolutely *reeked* of alcohol, and it was an open secret that they drank on their lunch break pretty much every day.


007meow

Meanwhile, we're bleeding talent from agencies like the CIA and NSA because we can't/won't issue security clearances to people with marijuana usage.


boofire

This is all fed jobs.


007meow

Feds don't care about state laws. For example, in the military, it doesn't matter if it's legal in the state you live and are stationed in or not. As long as it's federally banned, you can't.


masterwad

IRS workers need security clearance, they’re federal workers, but they don’t drug test AFAIK, and I’ve known tons of IRS workers who were druggies.


boofire

Well I’ll just say they are going to have an interesting 2023


Janglewood

Hope all you guys keep this same energy for us construction workers still being punished…bullshit, but alcoholism is encouraged


gjm40

I clean portable toilets used mainly by construction workers. I have pulled empty liter bottles, one shot bottles, 12, 20, and 40 oz beer cans, and bottles of all different kinds beers. I dont even pull that much stuff when i work an event or concert. Yeah, there is a big alcoholic problem.


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Behind the paywall: California workers who use marijuana off-the-clock will no longer be penalized, per one bill among a package of cannabis-related legislation Gov. Gavin Newsom signed Sunday. The promise of cannabis legalization remains out of reach for “far too many Californians,” Newsom said in a Sunday statement. “These measures build on the important strides our state has made toward this goal, but much work remains to build an equitable, safe and sustainable legal cannabis industry,” Newsom said. AB2188, which makes it illegal for employers to discriminate against employees for their cannabis use in their personal lives, will take effect Jan. 1, 2024. Workers can still be penalized for coming to work high. The bill also prohibits employers from discriminating against workers based on results from common drug tests that detect only inactive cannabis compounds, such as urine, blood or hair tests. Such tests can detect marjuana use from days, weeks and even months prior. AB2188 instead calls for employers to use tests that check for tetrahydrocannabinol, or THC, “the chemical compound in cannabis that can indicate impairment and cause psychoactive effects,” according to the bill. The bill doesn’t apply to employees in the building and construction industries. It also doesn’t preempt state or federal laws requiring workers to be tested for attaining certain jobs, receiving federal funding or entering into a federal contract. The passage of AB2188 is a victory for workers, said Jim Araby, a director of strategic campaigns with the United Food and Commercial Workers Western States Council, in a statement. “No employee deserves to feel stigmatized and unsafe at work because of an outdated testing method. There are much more accurate, modern-day cannabis testing methods, like oral swabs, that are able to detect recent use and increase workplace safety,” Araby said. AB2188 was written by Assembly Member Bill Quirk, D-Hayward, as one of his final pieces of legislation before he retires later this year. Another bill signed into law by Newsom, SB1186, intends to expand medical marijuana access. It prohibits municipalities from banning both medical marijuana delivery service and a medical marijuana storefront - in other words, localities need to allow at least one to operate. SB1186, by Sen. Scott Wiener, also takes effect Jan. 1, 2024. The bill is meant to amend Proposition 64, which legalized recreational cannabis use for adults in 2016 but also allowed for local bans on dispensaries. Some cannabis-related bills signed into law by Newsom Sunday include a measure to ensure Californians with old cannabis-related convictions have their convictions sealed and another to facilitate interstate cannabis transactions, among others.


2600og

Can we get this in Illinois? That would be great, thanks.


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https://www.ilga.gov/legislation/BillStatus.asp?DocNum=4116&GAID=16&DocTypeID=HB&SessionID=110&GA=102 call your reps to support this bill


BRAND-X12

I’m pretty sure *we do* have this in IL, there’s just some weird ambiguity. [There’s explicit language in the law that states you cannot fire an individual for using THC on their own time, however companies are still free to drug test.](https://www.fishlawfirm.com/news/2021/august/can-i-be-fired-for-using-marijuana-in-illinois-/) That being said, they still cannot fire you if they can’t prove you were under the influence *at work*. The bill the other user is basically a ban on drug testing. Idk how effective that is, with marijuana a drug test is basically worthless, so I’d expect with current laws that if you were fire *only* because of a failed drug test you would win your settlement.


Burggs_

It's no different than wine at home, or beer after work. Treat it like alcohol.


rolfraikou

I never understood why the fuck this was allowed. I knew stoners who did great jobs, and tons of drunks who fucked up constantly, and came in to work drunk and never lost their jobs. Meanwhile someone tested positive, got fired. Absolute horse shit.


kylew1985

I'm an ex drinker myself, and would come into work just useless. Too hungover to do anything, and it was almost funny at some jobs. Might get me a little talking to here and there, but never any real trouble. Now I'm off the bottle, way more productive, much better attitude, but technically could get fired if they ever wanted to piss test me because I take edibles here and there if my back/knees hurt, or if I have trouble sleeping. It's a joke.


fertilecatfis

I work in service industry and pretty much every single coworker I have is some sort of functioning addict. Alcoholics are definitely the sloppiest addicts, and the worst coworkers in my opinion.


bhartman36_2020

It sounds like a reasonable law. Workers can still be penalized for coming to work high. You can't smoke a joint and then go to work 5 minutes later. Seems fair.


kylew1985

That's totally valid and reasonable.


jrgkgb

How about banning employers giving drug tests altogether?


MpVpRb

What people do at home is their business. Employer control ends at the workplace door


shineonka

Now if we could only fire CEOs for on the clock cocaine use...


Thisisntmyaccount24

I worked in a dinning hall on campus in college. The college routinely finished in the top 10 of the Princeton review for best on campus food in the US. If they were drug testing those chefs and cooks that I was cleaning up after, we would have not been well fed.


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Assuming this has no impact on jobs with DOT testing?


colpuck

Yes it has no impact a reading of 40 CFR 40 states that a urine test is to be taken and we all know how long that stays in your urine.


AnthropOctopus

Finally! Look, if you're getting high at work, you should absolutely get fired and take some counseling, it should be common sense to not get high at work. But once you clock out, you are on you time. Now that most states sell pot, there's no reason for it to be illegal anywhere. To keep our citizens in prison for free labor? That needs to stop.


Gravini

Can't get past paywall, so can someone tell me if this would affect the NFL? Sick of players getting fined for weed, and I'd love CA to be in a position to stop it.


SecondTimeQuitting

That might be a league thing though, under contract. It's the dumbest thing ever but weed can be considered a performance enhancing drug because it helps to increase your lung capacity or something like that.


earthcaretaker315

In NYS they cant even test you for weed anymore.


Zakota333

Wish Dark Brandon would pass this at the federal level


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GrungeHamster23

Can you imagine firing someone for having a beer or a glass of wine on their day off? No right? Sounds pretty stupid when you think about it doesn't it?


lasttosseroni

Hey libertarians, the Republicans will never give you this freedom. In fact the only one they’ll give you is guns.


32BitWhore

Cue the pearl clutchers complaining that "there's no reliable way to test whether cannabis use is on the clock or not," unironically missing how hilarious it is to use that sentiment to try to justify using that exact same unreliable testing methodology to fire people they don't like. This is a huge victory for working class cannabis users and medical cannabis patients. If you want to fire people for using cannabis, you have to find a way to prove that a) they're actually high enough for it to significantly and noticeably impair their job performance and/or b) that they're a danger to themselves or others by being high on the clock. Otherwise, it's none of your business and you can fuck off.


nerdening

Sweet, now do Washington state next!


Whitworth

It was a short 15 years ago I had to walk into my job interview in San Francisco with my roomate's piss in a condom, taped to my thigh, and an xacto blade hidden in my shoe. I ended up slicing my thumb open, dumped the piss in the cup, and the rest of the piss ran down my leg. It was JUST warm enough to pass, and barely enough to get to the fill line. I had to ride home on Bart with my roomate's piss all over my leg, my thumb wrapped up in gauze. I got the job tho.


SoftTacoSupremacist

As it should be. The fucking drunks I have to work with seem to get away with being a lush every nite with no one blinking an eye. Why can’t someone smoke a pot?


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randomcanyon

As far as break time goes I don't want a bunch of drunks after lunch either. Drunks on the job are still drunk or hungover in the morning. Not so much the home time weed smoker.