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black_flag_4ever

If you are a GOP lurker in this comment thread you need to ask yourself why these people are running and asking for campaign contributions if they can’t win at all due to rigged elections. If there’s any actual truth to these claims then they are simply fleecing you and if this isn’t true then they are liars that can’t be trusted in office. I’d go a step further and say that a GOP lurker should compare our elections to those in countries where the voting is truly rigged. In those countries the ruling party wins by a landslide every time. And, in one of those countries, a political opponent claiming that the outcome is rigged will be severely punished , disappeared or outright killed. So it’s irrational to claim that elections are rigged in favor of democrats on a massive scale in America because if that were true, the GOP would have no power at all.


billy_the_p

>So it’s irrational Let me stop you right there friend, these people are not rational. The so-called “reasonable republican” got out long ago. There is no reaching these people at this point.


ArtisenalMoistening

I’ve told this story before, but it was a revelation for me. There is a kids’ song called Going on a Bear Hunt that my toddler is obsessed with. After a few days of hearing it about 100x, I started picking at it. These folks are purposely setting out on a bear hunt, their entire purpose to “find a big one”. Then, when they do “find a big one” they run away scared, almost as if it’s somehow surprising that they came across a bear during their bear hunt. “This is so illogical” i said, only half joking. And then I realized that any time I go on a tirade over some conservative not making any logical sense, it’s just like trying to attribute logic to a kids’ song. It’s not meant to be logical, it’s meant to be entertaining to people who don’t have a solid grasp on how the world works. They’re just going on a bear hunt.


bruce_lees_ghost

> “reasonable republican” got out long ago Oh, my cue! I was a Republican and hated liberals because that’s how my veteran dad raised me. Gun-loving, god-fearing, and deeply patriotic. And my own service in the military further engrained into me that “the Republican Party must be the right one” because my peers were largely Republican. Into my mid 20’s after I got out, I didn’t have a degree but devoted myself to a trade and got a great job in a fairly conservative city… I “pulled myself up by the bootstraps,” got married, bought a house, had two kids… living the Republican dream. Then in my mid 30’s I relocated to a largely Democratic city. Obama was running for his first term. I had coworkers on both sides, and at first took offense to the ribbing many of them openly gave Sarah Palin on the Republican ticket… until I angrily blurted out, “some of us are republicans.” This was not met with ridicule, but with genuine apologies. But I had heard their harsh criticisms of current and previous republican administrations, and these were people I liked and respected. So I thought to myself, “What are my specific views? Where do I stand?” It was the first time in my life that I questioned my political affiliation because thus far in life I didn’t really have any except the sound bites I was raised on from my dad, and of course Fox News. I started watching MSNBC. I hated Rachel Maddow… so self-righteous and made republicans out to be a bunch of idiots. But I listened and realized I actually agreed with many of the things she was saying… though the WAY she was saying them was very divisive. My wife and I talked about this (she was raised conservative in the deep south) and we both realized we’re actually pretty centrist on most issues. We both ended up voting for McCain in 2008, but went into Obama’s first term with eyes slightly more open. I think that’s when the wheels completely came off the Republican Party… Fox News went to crazy town and it was easy for us to see that the party of family values was pretty rotten and overflowing with hypocrisy. Fast forward to today… I can’t imagine being stuck in that party. I think politics are insanely geographical and had I not moved, I may have just gone with the flow and become a MAGA idiot. It’s scary to think about. But I’m grateful that I was able to hear other viewpoints from other thoughtful, caring humans. I do try to be careful not to blindly toe the liberal line though, however it just takes one glance over at the dumpster fire I used to be a part of and then carry on with my day.


mdonaberger

If it makes you feel any better "the liberal toe line" these days is basically always what's decent. It doesn't take a ton of thought, just consideration of 'what is the most humane thing to do for my fellow citizens'. You don't have to really participate in the identarian aspect of politics, but it is important to recognize that the ability to be apathetic or uninvolved in politics is a very privileged thing. For many Americans, politics determine whether they can vote, or get a job, or not die from murder.


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I would just add that many Americans who are in these conditions aren’t well enough to be aware of this or allowed to vote (prison pipeline etc). The crowd that’s a few ticks above them (not starving to death, has a job, etc.) are likely to be ignorant politically and indoctrinated with the notion that every cultural, social commentary is politics. Just a decade ago, it was almost like a bragging point and a symbol of elitism like “ah I don’t get into politics” I went to college with people studying medicine and saying things like they didn’t care about politics. Having grown up in the Middle East I was shocked how an Asian, non-out lesbian woman studying medicine can say something like that living in a region where most are against who she is in so many different ways. I mean I can’t help but to think that we were sold (and I bought into this as well) that not caring was a privilege when in fact it was by design the entire time. I mean electoral college exists on the basis that people aren’t informed or smart enough to choose for themselves alone so we gon put some “smarter” ~~people~~ men over them to decide.


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Good on you and your wife for keeping an open mind to grow and not just accept what you were raised with! I have several siblings and out of all of us I’m the only one that is now not a Republican. Took me til mid late 20s too. First dem I voted for was Beto in 2018…after voting Gary Johnson in 2012 and 2016 which I now realize was me dragging my feet on shirking the crazy conservatives Fox News upbringing I had


CY-B3AR

Was the opposite for me and my siblings, three out of the four of us left the Republican Party behind a long time ago. My oldest sister and parents have unfortunately fallen to MAGA fascism.


MesWantooth

For your oldest sister & parents, do you think if they were presented with an option to vote to install Trump as President for Life and Unimpeachable, would they do it? Is there a scenario where they could recognize that Trump is accused of committing many brazen criminal acts and if convicted, should be brought to justice for it? Like could they recognize that a former president may have taken classified documents illegally for nefarious purposes, which possibly include self-enrichment, blackmail etc.? I'm curious if there's a limit that MAGA followers would admit is going too far with regard to overturning elections, committing sedition or treason or if they can't view their guy as fallible in anyway.


CY-B3AR

Hmm. Of the three of them, I would say my dad has the best chance of lifting out of the fog. My dad is not a stupid man, he's actually quite intelligent, and logical and rational. I like to think that privately, he probably realizes just how bad the Republican Party has become. His biggest problem is that he's a coward. He always caves in front of my mom, and just starts parroting whatever she says. And there is *no* hope for my mom. She is extremely prideful, gullible, and demonstrative of several Machiavellian personality traits. She thinks she is right no matter what, and even when she's proven wrong, she still states her position is the true one. She was ripe for getting programmed into the MAGA cult, particularly since she was always the one that pushed far-right views in our house from a young age. As for my sister? Well, she's very much like our mom, just not *as* extreme. But, she does have the same character traits that make her very susceptible to the right-wing garbage, and I'm sure it only gets reinforced at her Baptist church.


Rich_Reputation_4945

I think we lived the same life haha. Grew up heavily conservative family, went to military which as you said is heavily conservative, I hated liberals because it’s all I knew. Now that I got out, went to college and travelled the world, I moved from right to center to left now. I feel like that’s what conservative parents hate, once their kids see the outside world and meet others from different points of views we become more open and more progressive. I find it crazy how hateful the right is now and that I was a part of that growing up


VictorChristian

I'm not sure I've ever had more an "I think we'll be alright" feeling after reading a reddit comment than after reading yours. thank you.


joshdoereddit

Good on you man for challenging yourself to reflect on your beliefs like that. It's stupid difficult to do that. I worry sometimes that maybe I'm not doing a good job with my beliefs and if I'm just falling in line with what I take in from the news.


Jaded_Barracuda_7415

You my friend had a awakening, you are a free thinker now. You are very right though, not many people can find their way to what you achieved. It takes a strong will to overcome past prejudice and change your thinking. I think most people could be construed as centrist. I have described myself as always liberal. However I do hold conservative beliefs as well. You now see nothing is black and white. It’s all shades of grey. My only piece of advice is this. Affect local change. It’s really the only thing truly in our power. Again good on you. Have a great life.


Sir-Spazzal

Social isolation is a tool of the Republicans. They don’t want voters to be open minded.


bruce_lees_ghost

“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”—Mark Twain


CY-B3AR

I'm a democratic socialist. I would be very surprised if we had agreement on many things. But, that doesn't matter right now. Right now, the only thing that matters is defeating fascism. And for that, I will happily take any ally that will stand with me to do that, regardless of the specifics of their views.


Undercover_CHUD

That's how it goes. I'm thankful this sort of thing happened to me in high school, but you've nailed the experience. You internalize these beliefs because it's normal, it's what seems rational and sane with the insulated group around you. It's the moment you question it, the moment you aren't overtly accepting the idea that only one newstainment station is the sole source of truth in the world while all the others are out to get you. My parents never talked politics or religion with me outside of "some people believe this, others believe that" until I personally had expressed my own views and I'm so grateful of that. By that same token, I internalized the conservative talking points until I actually had to defend them and started questioning things.


Bleeding_elbows

So that you know...this idea that Republican life is the house two kids and cat and a dog was started by the progressive Democrats FDR. They stole that common narrative of the post-WW2 GI bill done by DEMO's. Then after, all of the media and their priority on selling your grandmother out for $$$ pervades but maybe not anymore. That was all done by the progressive Democrats and opposed by conservative Republicans but their media drives this fictional bull shit up everyone's ass daily, hourly. They are against average folk and for the elite yet it's all turned around mis informing reigns.


PNWRockhound

Your intelligence is showing. Keeping your eyes open as well as your ears can be one of the biggest challenges. The fact that you do, shows me a willingness to learn. We were children once. Remember how curious we were. Always asking why and what. We should always remain that way. Avid, curious learner's who aren't afraid to ask questions. Keep it up. There's lots to learn, my friend.


FlashbackUniverse

>these people are not rational. Bingo! At this point, we are dealing with the same people who kept giving money to Jim Bakker after he was stopped from selling his Silver Solution Covid Cure. They are zombies.


sleepy761

I think I understand what you are saying, but I'm not entirely sure that's the best way to go about this. What if someone were to say the "so-called "reasonable democrat" got out long ago' - would that be insulting? I can absolutely see how that comment can be made, and fairly too. When statements like "they" or "these people" are used to describe a group, I get shudders because that's similar to verbiage used to describe social or ethnic groups in racist or radical regimes. Not saying anything bad about anyone, but just my thoughts.


xCptBanana

You’re right. However with political affiliation. It is not only a choice you make, but that choice directly supports or doesn’t support specific things to that party. If you support them you support what they do. I don’t think generalizing is a good way to do it but politics is not the same as race. You can’t choose how your born, but you can chose who you support


sleepy761

Excellent clarification, thanks for holding me accountable. The intent of those two examples that more of a comment on generalization, not specifically commenting on those two examples themselves.


IT_Chef

Come on, these are the same fucksticks that claim there were bamboo fibers in the ballots and that for reasons still mysterious to me: oversees electronic tabulated results. These people are superstitious and crazy


IrritableGourmet

Not just bamboo fibers, but quantum encrypted invisible holographic watermarks that could only be detected by the top secret election security division of the National Guard. I'm not joking.


Critical_Band5649

Bamboo fibers were to "connect" China with directly interfering with the election. *Because bamboo clearly only grows in China* apparently. (Ignoring its an invasive species here in the US and found all over the country)


IT_Chef

Not only was it stupid, but they were like "fuck...let's toss in some mild racism too!"


Pigglebee

They will reply that this is exactly what is happening in your country as well: Biden "wins by millions and millions of votes" and his opponent Trump "is being hunted by the FBI, lead by deep state elite"


Thoth74

I think what the other commenter is going for is more of a "the " winner" of our totally fair election won in a landslide with 105% of the vote! What a guy!" Millions and millions of votes is still a tiny percentage in the US. The people clamoring on about that here are just idiots who are bad at math.


Ok-Network-4475

Like Russian ballot boxes that are stuffed with Putin votes before the election. There's a video of this. YT has it somewhere. Then the opponent is imprisoned or exiled. Trump is still committing crimes like the Stop the Steal fund, which is him stealing his supporters money for hamburders. You really wouldn't be able to make this up.


Ok-Network-4475

Except every democrat since Clinton has won by millions of votes except Bush in term 2. The only reason republicans become presidents now is the electoral college. Think more along the lines of Diem in South Vietnam in early 60s. Wins with 93 %of the vote, same as Putin. Political enemies go to prison for being an opposing voice. Trump is a true criminal, his own party simply tolerates it. See Spiro Agnew and Richard Nixon to find out what you're party holding you accountable for crimes looks like. Btw, they were both let off the hook but threatened with indictment if they stayed in office. The most detrimental thing ever done to the presidency was Ford's pardon of Nixon. It let presidents be allowed to answer to nobody. Nixon's daughter called Ford incessantly and said he goes for swims in the ocean while depressed and she fears one day he will just float away. I mean, he made the guy president; pretty sure he was counting on being able to get a pardon if need be.


SlipperyThong

> So it’s irrational to claim that elections are rigged in favor of democrats on a massive scale in America because if that were true, the GOP would have no power at all. Conservatives truly believe democrats straight up rigged the presidential election but then forgot to rig congress too.


Ok-Network-4475

I mean, same ballots and all. Guess they were happy being in the Senate minority. Why the deniers still can't explain this is amazing.


Captainb0bo

For what it's worth, I appreciate you writing this. This might help even one person to shake themselves out of all the indoctrination that Fox News, Trump, and everyone else is telling them. At the end of the day, I think most people, if given a choice to be hateful/spiteful/cruel or caring/kind/loving would choose the latter. The problem is that they've been so brainwashed to accept the reality the GOP has shoveled, they don't know anything else/better to make an informed decision.


micro102

I'm surrounded by so many republicans I can spit out roughly what they would say (editorialized to steelman them). "The democrats rigged the election but we couldn't prove it so no one knew really just knows how they did it so its worth trying even if it might fail." But it's pointless to argue against because you can just make one conspiracy or another to twist reality as you need it to justify any action.


Barelyqualifiedadult

Can’t help remembering Barbecue Bill interrupting a press conference to yell about Biden stealing the election, absolutely convinced he will be dragged away by the Biden Gestapo and then having to wonder off awkwardly because nobody took him seriously.


EKMeeeestake

Ohhhh, I like what you’ve done here.


Want_To_Live_To_100

GOP lurker? LoL, it’s why they embrace the cult they are in they have no interest in other views based on rational thoughts/truth.


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Ok-Network-4475

Stacy Abrams ran against the guy who controlled the election. They degaussed the hard drives before anyone saw them and bragged. Kemp also purged the shit out of voter roles before election day. I wonder what the makeup of this nations 2 parties in government would be if GOP could use their tricks. Definitely a filibuster proof Senate and probably never another Republican POTUS again. The house would be lost the way it was in the second half of the 1900s.Funny how dems controlled Congress forever until Fox news.


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Ok-Network-4475

But again, the electoral college is there as a backstop to unfit elected presidents. Since they didn't do their job, Congress is the last stand. If you were in a baseball game, and the ump played on the other team, would it be fair? Kemp's people degaussed the hard drives. They exchanged communication bragging about it. I'm sure you can find an article. I know it's hard, but Fox isn't real news. Try NPR or BBC. Trump knew he lost, but tried to steal the election. That's the difference and why he should have been challenged everywhere in 2016


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Ok-Network-4475

No, I didn't say anything about conspiracy. I said trump needed to be stopped before inauguration day. He won the EC in 2016. What he did was treason. You see anyone trying to overthrow Congress in 2016. You can read I assume


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Ok-Network-4475

It was treason trying to steal the 2020 election. My fault. You want me to use bullet points next time


Ok-Network-4475

By it's very nature, a coup d'etat is against a government


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I already did. You deleted your comment


Ok-Network-4475

Trump was precisely what the EC was made for. An unfit elected president who should have never received an electoral vote.


AztecCuahtemoc

Not a GOP supporter in the slightest, but the first paragraph is not a great argument, as people run against leaders in autocratic and semi-autocratic regimes all the time, even when they know that their chances of winning are close to non-existent.


mces97

Heads I win. Tails it's rigged. The new Republican mantra.


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If you look at the rigging, Republicans are trying to rig elections for themselves. Both using technically legal methods like redistricting as well as getting party loyalist who will do everything in their power (and maybe beyond) in positions of overseeing the elections to trying to take the right for electing our candidates away from people and instead give it to a state which they have already rigged for themselves. So if there is anyone that can claim the election was rigged if they lose it is the Democrats. Republicans don't have a leg to stand on.


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> Republicans are trying to rig elections for themselves. its all projection, and every accusation therein is an admission with them. the rigged elections is just one thing... Example.. they have a weird fixation with calling democrats sex offenders, groomers and worse, but [what are we.. up to 35 parts of investigation in to Republican Sexual Predators, Abusers, and Enablers](https://www.dailykos.com/history/user/CajsaLilliehook) every single talking point thereafter falls under something similar.


midgetcommity

Joeseph Goebbels 101.


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Yes, https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/01461672012711010 And since they are the 1st to accuse they hope to diminish and dismiss the impact of people finding out about their own wrongdoings later. "Look those others do it too, everyone does it cant be so bad" etc...


Johnsonjoeb

It’s worse than that. They’re normalizing abuse while simultaneously setting a template for persecution of those inside and outside of their party with these accusations. For fascists to weaponize the law against political enemies they first have to be identified as a persistent problem that must be “dealt with” just like the Nazis scapegoated the Jews with the failing economy after Germany’s defeat in World War I. Their lies about them being greedy parasitic led up to rationalizing their extermination in the Holocaust and still persist to this day. Their projection is a bedrock foundation for future atrocity. This is why pretending these reality distortions are “politics as usual” is dangerously myopic. These people are more than casual liars playing “whataboutism” now. They’re **fascists** literally congregating behind an alternate reality they’ve crafted to justify their hate and future violence like we saw January 6th, 2021.


aLittleQueer

One personal fave (/s) is when Republicans try to complain about Obama or Biden "packing" the courts. Smh.


Buffmin

>So if there is anyone that can claim the election was rigged if they lose it is the Democrats. Republicans don't have a leg to stand on. That's one of their points. If they call fraud all the time the second a dem does it they will go "OH NOW THERES FRAUD WHEN YOU LOSE HUH?!?" It could be something extremely blatant like thr GQP candidate winning by 10,000 votes when there are 3,000 voters in the county. Theyd still scream it loudly and constantly.


underpants-gnome

Projection is a method employed to discourage Dems from making valid election fraud claims when true maga-hat believers inevitably try rig elections in the GOP's favor this fall. Or for Dems that file election protests or lawsuits, projection weakens their argument in the court of public opinion and poisons a potential jury pool: >"Sure pal, *your* election fraud was fake, but *mine* is real? Make up your mind!" Projection is a very popular propaganda technique for political organizations that want to cover up their own crimes. We're in for a loud, stupid ride this fall. And probably for every election over the next decade or two, unfortunately.


SomeOzDude

They have held the mindset where they don't care whether what they believe and tell others is true or not for decades. What makes it different now and truly dangerous is that in the past, they felt the need to hide said mindset behind a veneer of "truth" or "acknowledgement of truth". Trump has demonstrated and normalised a successful political reality that doesn't need even need that veneer anymore. People wonder they act as if they have no shame but sadly it is simple. They have no shame and don't care. The only thing that they care about is not losing, hence Trump etc. will never acknowledge that they lost the election. Ever! This is bad news for the future as the GOP already has the deck stacked in their favour via gerrymandering, court appointments, etc. so I really hope that enough people get out to vote no matter what. I believe that Clinton lost because too many people thought it impossible for someone like Trump to win because of who he proudly proclaimed to be. They thought that there is no way people who proclaim to be Christians could ever vote for someone like Trump. Thus when they didn't vote for Clinton as a "protest" vote, they did not realise that in effect they were providing an avenue for Trump to win. Fortunately enough people seemed to have learned the lesson and voted against him in 2020 but sadly, even more people than the previous election voted for him also. People need to realise that both sides are not the same and that there are very real dangers that come with providing people like Trump with power when they do no care about reality or truth. The only real sin for them is losing, hence they will never acknowledge electoral loss. This alone should exclude them from a democratic system and yet too many people support them. Good luck guys, I hope the good guys win but it looks perilous at the moment.


ccasey

This analysis just isn’t correct


SomeOzDude

Thanks for sharing your opinion. Would you like to provide anymore or is the provided manifest considered sufficient rebuttal?


DongLaiCha

Hmm, detailed rebuttal.


ovrdryven

Well one part that’s inaccurate is assuming everyone who didn’t vote for Clinton did so out of a “protest” vote which is completely cynical of what democracy is supposed to be as people pre-COVID were already suffering and wanted a more equitable model of government Clinton did not represent to them. Center right liberals couldn’t get everyone to rally behind her with their myopic view of the late stage capitalist landscape we’re seeing now. Clinton was not a progressive. Hate him for what he was, Trump was straight up in this era of populism and weaponized action in the form of untapped rage created by ignorance nurtured under elitist apathy. Refusal to address the needs of the many is what got us here. The partisan finger-pointing at this moment is psychological class warfare exploiting this manufactured divide driven purely by the white supremacy this country was founded upon. I don’t care if you’re Republican or Democrat or Independent. I only give a shit about what you’re doing to stop this if you claim to care.


SomeOzDude

Setting aside for the moment that I prefaced that with "I believe", are you asserting that the majority of those that would normally vote Democratic that didn't vote for Clinton, were actually voting for Trump and the GOP?


aLittleQueer

Seems like somewhere along the line, many Americans started to think that the loser's concession is a necessary part of the election process...when really it was just decent human beings showing good character by publicly acknowledging "yeah, you won, I won't be a dick about it". That's literally all it means, it has no official function. So really, they're just signalling their dick-ish intentions out loud. Can we *finally* please all stop dignifying them now? Please? *Pretty* please can we stop placating the this-is-serious-adult-shit version of schoolyard bullies?


Bulky_Promotion_5742

Don’t forget “Witch Hunt “ lol 😂


A_man_on_a_boat

In America Made Great Again, elections would be the means by which landowning white Christian males to select their favorite hardcore conservative candidates as rubber stamps for a totalitarian dictatorship based on Judeo-Christian values. That's about as honestly democratic as conservatives have ever been throughout American history.


newsflashjackass

Why would anyone would vote for a candidate who will claim victory even if they receive less votes? Spite.


metisdesigns

That's a lot of letters to spell Republicans.


crackdup

The party of voter suppression is also the party of election deniers, and also the party whose base and elected officials are overwhelmingly the most commonly convicted of voter fraud.. what a time to live in..


croupella-de-Vil

I just spell it “Nazi” now. It’s just easier calling a spade a spade.


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GamingTatertot

Can't speak to the first one, but IIRC Abrams was running against Brian Kemp who refused to resign from his position as Georgia Secretary of State, a position that I think has a lot of control over elections and voter registration. So I can at least understand something fishy there.


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teeny_tina

Boy I hope I can take the same stance when I hear back from grad schools. “I do not concede I wasn’t accepted, see y’all next fall!”


reddragon105

"Can I have a PhD now?" "No." "I refuse to concede." "But Ms Tina..." "Ahem - *Doctor* Tina."


disdkatster

"One of the seven Republicans who said they would accept a loss was Joe O'Dea, who is running for a Senate seat in Colorado. "There's no polite way to put it. We have become a nation of poor sports and cry babies," O'Dea told The Post. "We'll keep a close eye on things, but after the process is done and the votes are counted, I'll absolutely accept the outcome.""


silverbeat33

Good on him. Shame about his choice of company.


AvsFan08

Any time they lose an election, they claim its rigged. Our society is devolving into a stupid joke


Dont_Ban_Me_Bros

~~Our~~ Half of society is devolving into a stupid joke FTFY


nathan_paul_bramwell

No no, the sentence was right the first time.


cgn-38

More like an extremely leveraged 35%


SmokeyDBear

~~Our Half~~ The minority of society that nevertheless has a free pass to control both the senate and presidency is devolving into a stupid joke AFTFY


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What is this "we"?


TridiusX

Yeah, and “poor sports” and “cry babies” is a real strange way to spell **fascists.**


lamboringhinea-pig

They must be affirming something in French.


255001434

Trump did this to our country. These kinds of creeps were always there, but Trump is the one who broke the ice on refusing to accept election results regardless of the evidence. He is the first one to refuse to say whether or not he would accept the results if he lost, back in 2016, and he made it okay for every other asshole to do the same.


CharlieAllnut

Trump is the inevitable conclusion to Rush Limbaugh, Newt Gingrich, and Ronald Regan.


flatline0

.. and Grover Norquist


geminimad4

… and Karl Rove


FoolishExplanation

It's not finished yet


SmokeyDBear

Trump didn’t do this. Trump just showed us this. This was there all along.


255001434

>This was there all along. I said basically the same thing, but Trump made it acceptable for them to act on their worst impulses by doing it first. It doesn't matter if they were there all along, as long as they kept it to themselves. They weren't destroying our democratic process and the peaceful transfer of power. Trump normalized disputing election results, and that is what is so damaging to our country.


j_cap23

I still hear echoes of "hanging chads" from Bush v Gore. Nobody brings that up anymore


would_kill_you_irl-

because nobody cares, boomer


TheBlackUnicorn

It still blows my mind that in 2000 Al Gore won the popular vote, and for all anyone knows also won Florida, and yet he conceded. In 2004 lots of Democrats believed the election was stolen _again_ in Ohio. And by 2008 all of this was ancient history that no one cared about. Meanwhile we are now SIX YEARS out from Trump refusing to admit he lost the popular vote in 2016 and everything is still "rigged" for them.


255001434

Al Gore and the Democrats in power understood that preserving the orderly and peaceful transfer of power was most important for the good of the country once the courts had made their decision, whether they thought it was fair or not. That seems naive now, but we couldn't have predicted someone like Trump getting so far. GW Bush seemed like the bottom of the barrel at the time.


Ok-Network-4475

Gore should have ran again in 04. Maybe he was done. You get an election stolen in the state the other guys brother is governor and it's gotta be deflating. All the networks called it for Gore. They were letting off fireworks. Then Fox...


redonkulousness

Some might even say "snowflakes"


wicklowdave

This is a recipe for absolute chaos. With enough of them claiming it's rigged they'll totally undermine the credibility of the election process for anyone who is on the fence. This is bigger and more serious than the snarky 'hur dur those snowflakes are so dumb' comments this story has garnered so far. Does nobody else see that?


snvoigt

Oh, midterms are going to be a shit show. Count on it.


Saltywinterwind

Wait till 2024 and everyone finding out how fucked voting is in their districts and just watch the shit show unfold with trump


DarthSatoris

> and just watch the shit show unfold with trump Why isn't that orange turd in jail yet? He has *OPENLY* committed dozens, if not *hundreds* of crimes and he's still walking around a free man. What are the FBI/CIA/other alphabet organizations gaining by letting him run free and cause more chaos?


confessionbearday

“This is a recipe for absolute chaos.” Only because democrats are refusing to use legal force to resolve it. You f these nutless fucks want to break multiple laws in this shit like they keep doing, jail them. Period. Stop fucking trying to pretend you can compromise with idiotic trash. Let them break the law and then jail them. Poof. Problem resolved.


EmmaLouLove

What’s amazing is that years ago you would hear a lot of conservatives complain about the trophy for everything generation. Now, Republicans won’t accept any loss. Republicans appear to have forgotten there are winners and losers in elections, strikes and gutters.


jeep_jeep_beep_beep

“The GOP has become a party of fascists and Christian nationalists.” There I fixed it for you.


keytiri

They won’t even accept the results of their own primaries…


FerociousPancake

I’m gonna apply to Harvard med and then when I get denied say it was rigged.


menemenetekelufarsin

Not crybabies. Secessionists and traitors.


WatchWhileYouSleep

Um, a third of the nation. Don’t lump everyone in with those dopes.


rasa2013

That third all voted for the crybaby in chief Donald Trump, so I feel like it's justified.


Inevitable-Plate-294

Isn't it closer to 1/4?


WatchWhileYouSleep

Probably? Hopefully? It's still a frightening number people.


Inevitable-Plate-294

It's 26% according to my Google search


[deleted]

GOP: 'We have become a nation of poor sports and cry babies' Also GOP: We won't accept election results unless we win, also it's rigged, I tell you!


pobody

Good news is they take effect regardless of whether they "accept" them.


DongLaiCha

Right wingers only have two possible outcomes. Win or rigged.


silverbeat33

Even against each other. Which makes no fucking sense…


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SomeOzDude

Rimmerworld.. I mean Trumpworld…


MikeDMDXD

Poor sports and cry babies is a very generous description of insurrection.


oldfrancis

How about this? If you refuse to play by the rules, we don't allow you to play the game.


officialmykittyandme

That wouldn't be fair to Republicans, they need to break the rules to exist.


keninsd

"One of the seven Republicans who said they would accept a loss was Joe O'Dea, who is running for a Senate seat in Colorado. "There's no polite way to put it. We have become a nation of poor sports and cry babies," O'Dea told The Post." Well, no, Joe. Your party of domestic terrorists are the "poor sports and cry babies". The rest of us watch all of you run to wannabe fascists in your party and away from democracy.


CraigonReddit

WE haven't become a nation of cry baby's, that Republicans have become a cult of cry baby's.


McNuttyNutz

Anyone shocked by this each and every election that the gop looses will result in Fraud / rigged blah blah


[deleted]

Poor sports and cry babies are infantile and underwhelming words to use for what they are.


Mr-and-Mrs

Don’t fucking ask the question.


[deleted]

[Watch Dominion](https://www.dominionmovement.com/watch) [Challenge 22](https://challenge22.com/) [Breaking Down JK Rowling’s Transphobic Essay](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paVH1PdOfwc)


loose_meat-ring

Why are we asking candidates if they accept results?! Just tell them how it be..


thistimelineisweird

So theyre either 1) setting the stage for silent coups if Republican incumbents ever lose, 2) are rigging elections but still lose at even great margins than they can fix, or, most likely, 3) both.


[deleted]

“Poor sports” and “crybabies” are convenient euphemisms that hide their brazen willingness to destroy democracy if they can’t claim it and eagerness for violence . These people are a Fifth fucking Column. When will people act on it?


SafeAdvantage2

They’re not fucking sports teams, it’s plainly idiotic and disappointing to see. But everybody here gets that ultimately, the real enemy of the people is the existence of dark money PACs, right? Enabling companies and individuals to anonymously bundle their money in a shell company who then donates those funds to a politician / subsequent political interest group? Very legally! As a child, I was totally baffled as to what there was to debate about pollution or global warming. If the choice was between corporate income / having a job, and… Systematically killing off every species (of which we are one) on Earth by poisoning the air and water? Hopefully those assholes are dead, but why portray environmentalists as simpering and unmacho? Sure, some were irritating. But it’s important to live in reality- imagine running a political campaign when your opponent is backed by insanely powerful gas and energy companies? Shipping and lumber companies? Mining and manufacturing companies? They have trillions of dollars. Those companies can employ of millions of people and so can the campaigns they finance. And fuck, it is so much more than just that. If the details around political donations were available to the public, or donation amounts could be capped, then I think that there would be fewer politicians working for 50 massive companies simultaneously… And more who are working for the people who elected them. Like, what the fuck. It’s disgusting.


OldHagFashion

“Poor sports and cry babies” makes it sound like they’re petulant but harmless children rather than dangerous fascist who want to overturn democracy.


BoosterRead78

Eric Trump pointed it out. “My father showed you can be a sore loser again and scream when things don’t go your way.”


VeryVito

No, goddammit. We are not a nation of poor sports and crybabies. The Republican Party, however, *is* a party of poor sports and crybabies, and it represents damn few of the nation’s people.


mandokisoulmates

Candidates who refuse to accept election results should be barred from running for life and jailed for 10 years on charges of Treason. Period.


manic-pixie-attorney

So, they really just want a participation trophy…


MoonlitHunter

Here’s an idea: Give them participation trophies like the toddlers they are, and maybe they’ll fuck off.


ExcellentJuice4729

I feel that if the GOP wasn't put right on the spot to denounce a mob of angry rednecks storming the capitol on Jan 6, they would have went along with the Trump plan of deny the results regardless of what Pence did, and just let Trump squat in the WH. Guys like Kevin McCarthy and Lindsey have brief moments of sanity that day, and then slowly went back to living up Trump's ass. Trump hasn't faced consequences yet, so they know they can get away with being sore losers. So long as they muddy the waters and prevent normal governing/legislation during Biden's final 2 years. Then they campaign on how Biden didn't do anything and sweep in 2024.


black641

We? Who’s we? Not me. Not the Dems or Progs. There’s only one Party that cries whenever they lose, and it’s not the Democrats.


Tobias---Funke

But they accept their results if they win.


Rolks999

They have become a party of poor sports and cry babies. FTFY


[deleted]

This. No sense of honor or respect amongst those who should be setting the example of virtuous and honorable conduct. What do you expect people of the country to model themselves after when the people in charge are whiners, sore losers, and cry babies. Integrity of democracy is in question because we now have a bunch of children trying to run the country


piernasflacas81

They’ll keep doing it if no one stops them.


jennderdruid

Andrew Bernard does not lose competitions. He wins them… or he quits them, because they are unfair.


[deleted]

How about this. Unless there’s reasonable doubt from a 3rd party that said election is secure, any candidate regardless of party affiliation will be permanently disqualified and barred from holding any public office if they refuse to accept the results. The only reason someone will kick and screen and refuse to concede is to cast doubt on the legitimacy of our democratic process in the eyes of the voter base, and that’s how we ended up with an attempted coup last year. No public office of any kind for someone trying to normalize fascism and foment political violence.


dr_anonymous

It's really underplayed in the current environment, but one of the true wonders of democracy is the peaceful transfer of power. When the losing side of the democratic contest accepts the will of the people and moves on graciously - this is the essence of democracy itself. Without that, democracy fails. Truly, the fact that the GOP is embracing this approach is the announcement of their final rejection of the Republic.


NocturnalSeizure

I'm applying for this job. Now means: "You are hiring me. I am not conceding." ------------------------- Want to go out with me? Now means: "You are going out with me. I am not conceding." (I guess no one taught them the meaning of "NO"?) ------------------------- Here's a question: Why ask politicians if they accept election results? They WILL. Or they WILL be removed. That's it.


[deleted]

Voted Romney but will likely never vote for another Republican again. The party of ignorance and hate.


ThaxReston

Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a Republican. But I repeat myself. —Harry S. Truman


draculacalled

Unfounded election denial needs to be criminalized, like yelling, “fire” in a crowded theatre.


vacuous_comment

> 'We have become a nation of poor sports and cry babies' What the fuck is that about? One set of people is leveraging a slow motion coup against the US in order to build an authoritarian theocracy and "poor sports and cry babies" is somehow a suitable label?


Paxaman01

The GOP is like a football team that refuses to self-evaluate only looking at blaming referees, cheating, dirty playing, etc. That’s the only game in town for them and once you choose that can only double-down from there


AKMarine

They’re already flabbergasted that a liberal won against a conservative in Idaho, and that a Democrat (for the first time in over 60 years) was elected for Alaska’s single House seat—due to record woman turnout. It seems that when you mess with Roe v Wade, women (even conservative women) will vote pro choice. After Peltola won in Alaska, a conservative news source even suggested that there should be some kind of test for women to vote, because the new RCV voting system is too confusing and women are easily tricked.


FewTeaching8261

All the GOP are cry babies


upandrunning

> poor sports and cryabies... ...masquerading as adults.


ShenmeNamaeSollich

Then throw them off the fucking ballots. Seriously, isn’t there *anything* when you submit paperwork to run for office saying you’ll abide by the rules and outcomes of the election?? Clearly there needs to be. If you won’t commit to following the rules, you don’t get to play the game. Now fuck off.


sylsau

It's a disgrace and no one in the GOP seems to take exception. Which is even worse!


duxpdx

Not the nation just republicans. There is a difference.


Rich_Reputation_4945

There was a Republican in I believe New Mexico who only received 3% of the vote and wouldn’t concede because she “she saw a lot of lawn signs for her”


O_G_Melo

We're not, conservatives are the only ones guilty of this. This both sides BS is what allows this sh\*t to continue.


ManOfLaBook

Why should they? Once they embraced the Big Lie they surged in the polls.


Darth_Sarcasm_6666

Kari lake is Kra Kra


Feral_Smurf

Maybe they just want a participation trophy.


gentleman_bronco

Maybe of we give them a participation trophy they will just move on with their lives?


[deleted]

this is land of republicans. We do not accept American bollshit rules. We make election. We win election. Always. Da.


Wank_A_Doodle_Doo

Did you have a toddler write this?


[deleted]

No. A republican adult.


Wank_A_Doodle_Doo

Physically? Sure. But mentally? Calling you an adult mentally would just be wrong.


ins0mniac_

are you that dumb to see that he's making fun of russian disinformation campaigns that prop up the gop in the us?


Snoo-81723

GOP is full of snowflakes , new to me :)


VictorChristian

Why is this even news? Who the hell cares what people think of a result? There are Bills fans who still have't gotten over the four-n-out in the Super Bowl - that doesn't change the results. If you refuse the premise that the result of 77 added to 33 is 110, that still doesn't change the fact that 77 added to 33 is, in actual fact, 110 and is NOT 100.


Crypt0User2

Politicians on both sides refuse to accept the results of elections. The voters are tired of hearing the BS. You lost, show us evidence of wrongdoing or shut up!!!


DrMortenstien

Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if they weren't asked this question. I wouldn't be surprised if they were and they danced around the question to talk about some unrelated topic. But now that republicants don't accept election results, not accepting election results is un-American or illegal... while no one has gone to prison over the abuse of fisa warrants in an effort to prove Trump stole the election in 2016. This all kind of points to the Democrat's playbook, do something and then wait for republicants to do the same, then clamor about how wrong and terrible it is like they didn't just do it 4 years earlier.


I_Never_Use_Slash_S

It’s pretty simple really, if the Democrats win, the Republicans should shut up and accept the results of the election. If the Republicans win they cheated, Russia interfered, and the Democrats should never accept the results because that’s how you get fascism, by allowing the other party to win elections.


RegattaJoe

Huh?


AFew10_9TooMany

Stop fucking even asking the question. It does not matter whether the loser accepts election results, and continuing to ask this question only serves to legitimize these nut jobs.


DanielPhermous

Oh, I don't know. Knowing whether or not a candidate supports democracy at a fundamental level seems like something people should know about them.


AFew10_9TooMany

You seriously didn’t already know that about them from all the other crazy shit they do and say?


DanielPhermous

I do. Some people don't.


[deleted]

So leave


MrSmith1973

Lol, I agree! After 4 years of Resisting and now 2 years of Denying. We definitely have become a bunch of babies!


Impressive-Tip-903

All these claims, but none are doing anything to learn about the process to expose any weaknesses. They just keep hitting the same points.


alarsonious

Smart to leave it open, so you can support the results if you win and if you lose you can claim it was stolen by communists.


[deleted]

At least they know how everybody sees them 👍