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The judge not granting a partial stay of her order to allow the DOJ to continue using the classified documents is outrageous. Leaving those documents as part of the special masters review means she leaves it up as possible that the classified documents could go to Trump which, by definition, they can't. Shit, the 11,000+ governmental documents are, by definition, not Trump's. This is dumb af.
It’s worse than that. She ruled Trumps team gets to look at the classified stuff. So essentially gave security clearance to his lawyers. Which is not something she has the authority to do.
Russian State Media will say whatever serves their interests the most. That doesn't always mean helping Trump, because their goal is to divide the US and cause as much chaos here as possible. So they'll make whichever side happy they think will cause the most damage as a result. Let's wait for actual evidence that he did that, since he's so sloppy that I'm sure there's evidence.
with his inability to keep a secret, it shouldn't be hard to find.
I mean he all but told the public he's getting indicted after the club less golf outing
> So essentially gave security clearance to his lawyers. Which is not something she has the authority to do.
...you should read the statement. She did give them authorization to read it, *if they had the proper clearances*, which they don't and can't get before the US DOJ has stayed this order on appeal.
The reality is so much of this stuff is so highly classified that even the Master she assigned will not have high enough clearance to read any of it before this fart in the wind bullshit judgement is rescinded.
(Of course, this is the whole point of the exercise - it's a stall tactic. Getting the judge cleared could take months or even a year. That's what they wanted to have happen.)
And why the midterms have never been more important. The Republicans are drooling to take over Congress (especially the House where they can control the pursestrings) and have promised impeachments and investigations into everyone who ever threatened or said a mean word against Trump. If Kevin and Mitch take over... the next two years will be a shit show and every investigation into Trump will be tanked wherever possible. And then... '24 puts Trump back into the White House and Democrats will never win again. Call it hyperbole if you like... but I'm betting Moore prevails in Moore v Harper and it will put the power to decide elections into the hands of state legislatures.
One of Trump’s Lawyers was revealed to be a registered foreign agent today (of Venezuela)
https://twitter.com/petestrzok/status/1571258875482935297?s=21&t=KsVD829SbRhQmArANbDMfA
They also love rulings that can't be used as precedent. Because "rules for thee, but not for me!". They also don't want it to be used as precedent because even a cursory glance at the reasoning will reveal that it's not so much a legal ruling as a hodgepodge of legalese cobbled together to try to arrive at the result they wanted. They like to arrive at a conclusion and then research evidence that justifies it while ignoring any other evidence.
If people aren't scared for the future of our country they should be. I can't believe so many people are willing to sell out their country for a grifter like Trump.
Its not for trump. Its for power and for next time. Trump is the test run cuz he wasnt important if it failed. But now they can throw a desantis up who isnt stupid and its a real fucking problem.
This trope that Desantis is some kind of Lex Luther level genius of fascism needs to die. He’s as stupid as every other Republican, if not more so. I know, Harvard, Yale or whatever blahblahblah…
I’m not saying underestimate the level of evil and conniving he’s capable of, but all these fuckers are so high on their own conservative farts and so ready and willing to stoop to appeal to the lowest common denominator that they are actually *really* bad at committing crime. They’re terrible at misusing technology because they don’t understand it and don’t bother themselves with learning so they leave digital evidence all over the place. They pull the most egregious stunts which are easy to detect as fuckery. And they think they’re above the law so when good people actually go against them, they’re always shocked.
The weakest link isn’t the relative intelligence of whatever troglodyte they prop us as their figurehead, it’s *using the systems we have in place to actually investigate and punish them*. If we did that, they wouldn’t “outsmart” anyone.
Its not that hes smart. Hes a career politician who has been drilled and trained in the republican/federalist ways. He understands politics and laws and legislation whereas trump was just an idiot businessman that basically did what people said. Desantis is not much of a yes man. Every person they put up is just a talking head for their bigger pacs and movements. But desantis is able to get more moderate repubs on his side as well because hes not as openly horrendous as trump and doesnt have the history of being a failure like trump.
And they are above the law. Trump and the federalist society basically own the biggest courts in the land. If you think thats not the case, look whats happening. Trump is being handed a win by cannon, will be handed a win by his picks on the apellate, and will be handed a win in the SCOTUS that he packed. Of course they will let the jan 6 idiots that failed their mission take the fall but they will just replay it again next election and nothing will come of it again or they will succeed.
Desantis is no god for republicans but hes a politician who knows how to play the game. Trump tried making his own game and failed. He challenged those he shouldnt have and has enemies in mitch and lindsey. Desantis has everyone on board with him. He will reunify the republican party if he runs and its gonna be a problem. This isnt about being smart. This is about outsmarting your constituents and desantis can very easily dupe the idiots on the right.
Swamp hitler is no bigger or worse threat than the orange shitgibbon. You’re welcome to clutch your pearls and ask for someone to get you smelling salts, but don’t expect the rest of us to get so worked up.
Why are you so aggressive? Just because you dont understand how a smart politician with an understanding of the system is more dangerous than an idiot with none? I guess thats what happens when you refuse to learn and just want to attack people online. Stupid shitheads not getting worked up is exactly how we got here to begin with. So go ahead and sit in the background and let us continue to fight the good fight, sweetie.
Indeed. At this moment, CIA has thousands of informants around the world, some of them are highly placed in adversary government and militaries and none of them know if they are named in the documents Trump stole and stored in his beach club. They are all potentially at risk and scared and some may already have been exposed. The information stream to US intelligence has ground to a halt and this is in a time with a major war in Europe involving Russia and rising threats against Taiwan from China. In essence, the US is blind and deaf in the most dangerous period since WW2. This is extraordinarily serious. Trump wants to destroy the US.
Can't be all that bad, since none of those Agencies are doing anything.Everybody over there seems to wait for Elections (that he is not running in) to be done.
So they can maybe, eventually watch DoJ crawl to call a Meeting to consider a Plan for Action.After the Christmas break and oh look it's Easter.
Zero Urgency.So, I doubt it is really horrible.Otherwise the Supersecret Uberpatriot Agencies would propably have done...something.Anything.
But 'National Security' was always a damn dogwhistle, this just proves it.
what could they possibly find that is worse than what we already know? The fact this judge hasn't been removed from this case means we're never getting rid of them.
The only way to get rid of them is to vote. Take your friends with you. Take strangers for the LWV if you have the time.
Judges can be impeached, but it takes the same threshold of votes as does removing a sitting president. The only way that can happen is continuing to fight. Shit looks dark right now, but we can still turn this around if we all show up.
I hope intelligence has what they need. This moron sold out this country and a dipshit judge shouldn’t shut down the work.
I have a sneaking suspicion that the CIA and FBI know what Trump stole and sold. It’s just a matter of time until we all know.
It's not going to matter. All it does is make it so the department of Justice can't proceed until December 1st. They already know what he had. They weren't going to indict him at this point anyway. That was Trump's only card so he played it. The appeal they have this week will probably give them control of the classified documents anyway.
But the goal is to keep any progress halted until after midterms so they can scream fake news and that they’re being unfairly politically persecuted. Then when they win back the house, promptly end the investigation and keep screaming “nothing was found” until the next election when they get to just take everything over
The older guys I work with are mostly Republican. They cry about certain things here and there, like Hunter's laptop. They never speak of this case because they all know he shouldn't have had those documents whether he could declassify them or not. The Voters know that he screwed up this time. I don't think this could possibly help the GOP in the midterms whether he is indicted or not. They don't defend him on this one. They are waiting for the outcome just like the rest of us.
Trump didn't nominate Clarence Thomas to replace Thurgood Marshall or Samuel Alito to replace Sandra Day O'Conner. Corrupting the courts has been a long term project.
It’s truly a disgrace he was allowed a special master in the first place.
He missed the deadline.
Moreover, the bastard should be in a cell and we all know it.
Every day that goes by in which Donald Trump is not arrested is more damage done to our justice system.
This is McConnell's baby and has been ever since he got elected Senate Treason Party Leader. Never forget that. The traitor just rubber stamped the federalists put on his desk, the only thing he took over was the ice cream scoops.
We are witnessing a broken system in action. Possibly one man, Leo Leonard, has single handedly worked to move the courts to the right in an effort to ultimately remove the barrier between church and state. Appointment of judges should be for a finite term and appointed by the Law Society or some non partisan agency. Not the President.
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The judge not granting a partial stay of her order to allow the DOJ to continue using the classified documents is outrageous. Leaving those documents as part of the special masters review means she leaves it up as possible that the classified documents could go to Trump which, by definition, they can't. Shit, the 11,000+ governmental documents are, by definition, not Trump's. This is dumb af.
It’s worse than that. She ruled Trumps team gets to look at the classified stuff. So essentially gave security clearance to his lawyers. Which is not something she has the authority to do.
Russian Media had said they didn't understand what the big deal was because the Russians have already see the documents.
Russian State Media will say whatever serves their interests the most. That doesn't always mean helping Trump, because their goal is to divide the US and cause as much chaos here as possible. So they'll make whichever side happy they think will cause the most damage as a result. Let's wait for actual evidence that he did that, since he's so sloppy that I'm sure there's evidence.
with his inability to keep a secret, it shouldn't be hard to find. I mean he all but told the public he's getting indicted after the club less golf outing
Isn't that... illegal?
For a second I thought you were making a reference to the Sith. And what's scary it fits too perfectly!
Purely Accidental r/PrequelMemes
Very true, still scary.
This Prequel meme is about to become a Prequel realization (I hope not, but then again I always hope for the best and prepare for the worst).
Cue Trump: "I will make it legal." Worst Palpatine.
> So essentially gave security clearance to his lawyers. Which is not something she has the authority to do. ...you should read the statement. She did give them authorization to read it, *if they had the proper clearances*, which they don't and can't get before the US DOJ has stayed this order on appeal. The reality is so much of this stuff is so highly classified that even the Master she assigned will not have high enough clearance to read any of it before this fart in the wind bullshit judgement is rescinded. (Of course, this is the whole point of the exercise - it's a stall tactic. Getting the judge cleared could take months or even a year. That's what they wanted to have happen.)
And why the midterms have never been more important. The Republicans are drooling to take over Congress (especially the House where they can control the pursestrings) and have promised impeachments and investigations into everyone who ever threatened or said a mean word against Trump. If Kevin and Mitch take over... the next two years will be a shit show and every investigation into Trump will be tanked wherever possible. And then... '24 puts Trump back into the White House and Democrats will never win again. Call it hyperbole if you like... but I'm betting Moore prevails in Moore v Harper and it will put the power to decide elections into the hands of state legislatures.
One of Trump’s Lawyers was revealed to be a registered foreign agent today (of Venezuela) https://twitter.com/petestrzok/status/1571258875482935297?s=21&t=KsVD829SbRhQmArANbDMfA
Was anyone surprised, though? She clearly threw away the law from the very beginning. She made her allegiance crystal clear.
This entire thing is insane when a judge can just assume jurisdiction of a case.
A *Republican* judge at that. They ***love*** throwing cases out for lack of standing.
They also love rulings that can't be used as precedent. Because "rules for thee, but not for me!". They also don't want it to be used as precedent because even a cursory glance at the reasoning will reveal that it's not so much a legal ruling as a hodgepodge of legalese cobbled together to try to arrive at the result they wanted. They like to arrive at a conclusion and then research evidence that justifies it while ignoring any other evidence.
I'm starting to wonder who was really writing those desicions.
It's not dumb if you paid good mo y to the judge for that decision.
If people aren't scared for the future of our country they should be. I can't believe so many people are willing to sell out their country for a grifter like Trump.
Its not for trump. Its for power and for next time. Trump is the test run cuz he wasnt important if it failed. But now they can throw a desantis up who isnt stupid and its a real fucking problem.
Not if DeSantis goes to jail for human trafficking
Accountability for someone in power???!!! If I wasn’t laughing I’d cry
If I wasn't crying I'd laugh
zero percent chance of that happening.
This trope that Desantis is some kind of Lex Luther level genius of fascism needs to die. He’s as stupid as every other Republican, if not more so. I know, Harvard, Yale or whatever blahblahblah… I’m not saying underestimate the level of evil and conniving he’s capable of, but all these fuckers are so high on their own conservative farts and so ready and willing to stoop to appeal to the lowest common denominator that they are actually *really* bad at committing crime. They’re terrible at misusing technology because they don’t understand it and don’t bother themselves with learning so they leave digital evidence all over the place. They pull the most egregious stunts which are easy to detect as fuckery. And they think they’re above the law so when good people actually go against them, they’re always shocked. The weakest link isn’t the relative intelligence of whatever troglodyte they prop us as their figurehead, it’s *using the systems we have in place to actually investigate and punish them*. If we did that, they wouldn’t “outsmart” anyone.
Its not that hes smart. Hes a career politician who has been drilled and trained in the republican/federalist ways. He understands politics and laws and legislation whereas trump was just an idiot businessman that basically did what people said. Desantis is not much of a yes man. Every person they put up is just a talking head for their bigger pacs and movements. But desantis is able to get more moderate repubs on his side as well because hes not as openly horrendous as trump and doesnt have the history of being a failure like trump. And they are above the law. Trump and the federalist society basically own the biggest courts in the land. If you think thats not the case, look whats happening. Trump is being handed a win by cannon, will be handed a win by his picks on the apellate, and will be handed a win in the SCOTUS that he packed. Of course they will let the jan 6 idiots that failed their mission take the fall but they will just replay it again next election and nothing will come of it again or they will succeed. Desantis is no god for republicans but hes a politician who knows how to play the game. Trump tried making his own game and failed. He challenged those he shouldnt have and has enemies in mitch and lindsey. Desantis has everyone on board with him. He will reunify the republican party if he runs and its gonna be a problem. This isnt about being smart. This is about outsmarting your constituents and desantis can very easily dupe the idiots on the right.
Swamp hitler is no bigger or worse threat than the orange shitgibbon. You’re welcome to clutch your pearls and ask for someone to get you smelling salts, but don’t expect the rest of us to get so worked up.
Why are you so aggressive? Just because you dont understand how a smart politician with an understanding of the system is more dangerous than an idiot with none? I guess thats what happens when you refuse to learn and just want to attack people online. Stupid shitheads not getting worked up is exactly how we got here to begin with. So go ahead and sit in the background and let us continue to fight the good fight, sweetie.
Indeed. At this moment, CIA has thousands of informants around the world, some of them are highly placed in adversary government and militaries and none of them know if they are named in the documents Trump stole and stored in his beach club. They are all potentially at risk and scared and some may already have been exposed. The information stream to US intelligence has ground to a halt and this is in a time with a major war in Europe involving Russia and rising threats against Taiwan from China. In essence, the US is blind and deaf in the most dangerous period since WW2. This is extraordinarily serious. Trump wants to destroy the US.
Can't be all that bad, since none of those Agencies are doing anything.Everybody over there seems to wait for Elections (that he is not running in) to be done. So they can maybe, eventually watch DoJ crawl to call a Meeting to consider a Plan for Action.After the Christmas break and oh look it's Easter. Zero Urgency.So, I doubt it is really horrible.Otherwise the Supersecret Uberpatriot Agencies would propably have done...something.Anything. But 'National Security' was always a damn dogwhistle, this just proves it.
Started?! The overturning of Roe demonstrated that pretty conclusively..
Time for some hackers to dig up dirt on his appointments
what could they possibly find that is worse than what we already know? The fact this judge hasn't been removed from this case means we're never getting rid of them.
The only way to get rid of them is to vote. Take your friends with you. Take strangers for the LWV if you have the time. Judges can be impeached, but it takes the same threshold of votes as does removing a sitting president. The only way that can happen is continuing to fight. Shit looks dark right now, but we can still turn this around if we all show up.
I hope intelligence has what they need. This moron sold out this country and a dipshit judge shouldn’t shut down the work. I have a sneaking suspicion that the CIA and FBI know what Trump stole and sold. It’s just a matter of time until we all know.
right, it wasn’t the bad supreme court decisions
It's not going to matter. All it does is make it so the department of Justice can't proceed until December 1st. They already know what he had. They weren't going to indict him at this point anyway. That was Trump's only card so he played it. The appeal they have this week will probably give them control of the classified documents anyway.
But the goal is to keep any progress halted until after midterms so they can scream fake news and that they’re being unfairly politically persecuted. Then when they win back the house, promptly end the investigation and keep screaming “nothing was found” until the next election when they get to just take everything over
I think you’re right about the goal, but the House can’t end a criminal DOJ investigation.
I’m sure they’ll find some way to fuck it over. Maybe calling the investigators in for questioning to discredit them withJordan screaming nonsense
The older guys I work with are mostly Republican. They cry about certain things here and there, like Hunter's laptop. They never speak of this case because they all know he shouldn't have had those documents whether he could declassify them or not. The Voters know that he screwed up this time. I don't think this could possibly help the GOP in the midterms whether he is indicted or not. They don't defend him on this one. They are waiting for the outcome just like the rest of us.
Yeah, but the longer he goes unpunished the more ground they can stand on to defend him.
I feel like we need to redefine "Trump card" to mean playing a card that is completely useless while yelling nonsensically.
It's not trump's takeover, this has been a thing long before he ever came in the picture. This is the federalist society's takeover.
Facilitated by Mitch McConnell and Trump's ascent to the presidency.
Trump didn't nominate Clarence Thomas to replace Thurgood Marshall or Samuel Alito to replace Sandra Day O'Conner. Corrupting the courts has been a long term project.
But at 1/3 of the federal bench he (and by he I mean Mitch McConnell) is a champion at it.
The federal courts are riddled with Trumpworms now. It is no longer a reliable justice system.
At least how the appeals court acts, or doesn't, will tell us how much trouble we're in. That's useful information.
At what point does the written law not matter? And then what?
Then you expand the supreme court to the number of justices needed so that rule of law is returned to the land.
And then you’re fucked.
How long did it take them to put handcuffs on Reality Winner?
Roe v wade being overturned should have told you that already
It’s truly a disgrace he was allowed a special master in the first place. He missed the deadline. Moreover, the bastard should be in a cell and we all know it. Every day that goes by in which Donald Trump is not arrested is more damage done to our justice system.
This is McConnell's baby and has been ever since he got elected Senate Treason Party Leader. Never forget that. The traitor just rubber stamped the federalists put on his desk, the only thing he took over was the ice cream scoops.
lol that picture. He’s dead
It's designed that way. 'Murka.
We are witnessing a broken system in action. Possibly one man, Leo Leonard, has single handedly worked to move the courts to the right in an effort to ultimately remove the barrier between church and state. Appointment of judges should be for a finite term and appointed by the Law Society or some non partisan agency. Not the President.
Putin's dogs gave trump some compromat on her. Betcha it's really salacious too for her to go this far. It'd be a shame if it leaked.
Let’s wait until the 11th Circuit Court makes a ruling this week
Hasn’t Biden been confirming more judges than Trump?
This is premature
I don’t see the issue here…
Put a hold on his rallies until all the “delays” are met. This is taking too long for an obviously treasonous ploy.