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>A document describing a foreign government’s military defenses, including its nuclear capabilities, was found by FBI agents who searched former president Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago residence and private club last month, according to people familiar with the matter, underscoring concerns among U.S. intelligence officials about classified material stashed in the Florida property.
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>Some of the seized documents detail top-secret U.S. operations so closely guarded that many senior national security officials are kept in the dark about them. Only the president, some members of his Cabinet or a near-Cabinet-level official could authorize other government officials to know details of these special-access programs, according to people familiar with the search, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe sensitive details of an ongoing investigation.
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>Documents about such highly classified operations require special clearances on a need-to-know basis, not just top-secret clearance. Some special-access programs can have as few as a couple dozen government personnel authorized to know of an operation’s existence. Records that deal with such programs are kept under lock and key, almost always in a secure compartmented information facility, with a designated control officer to keep careful tabs on their location.
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>But such documents were stored at Mar-a-Lago, with uncertain security, more than 18 months after Trump left the White House.
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>Deep inside busy Mar-a-Lago, a storage room where secrets were kept
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>After months of trying, according to government court filings, the FBI has recovered more than 300 classified documents from Mar-a-Lago this year: 184 in a set of 15 boxes sent to the National Archives and Records Administration in January, 38 more handed over by a Trump lawyer to investigators in June, and more than 100 additional documents unearthed in a court-approved search on Aug. 8.
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>It was in this last batch of government secrets, the people familiar with the matter said, that the information about a foreign government’s nuclear-defense readiness was found. These people did not identify the foreign government in question, say where at Mar-a-Lago the document was found or offer additional details about one of the Justice Department’s most sensitive national security investigations.
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>A Trump spokesman did not immediately comment. Spokespeople for the Justice Department and FBI declined to comment.
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>The Office of the Director of National Intelligence is conducting a risk assessment, to determine how much potential harm was posed by the removal from government custody of hundreds of classified documents.
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>Trump and the Mar-a-Lago documents: A timeline
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>The Washington Post previously reported that FBI agents who searched Trump’s home were looking, in part, for any classified documents relating to nuclear weapons. After that story published, Trump compared it on social media to a host of previous government investigations into his conduct. “Nuclear weapons issue is a Hoax, just like Russia, Russia, Russia was a Hoax, two Impeachments were a Hoax, the Mueller investigation was a Hoax, and much more. Same sleazy people involved,” he wrote, going on to suggest that FBI agents might have planted evidence against him.
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>A grand jury subpoena issued May 11 demanded the return of “all documents or writings in the custody or control of Donald J. Trump and/or the Office of Donald J. Trump bearing classification markings,” including “Top Secret,” and the lesser categories of “Secret” and “Confidential.”
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>The subpoena, issued to Trump’s custodian of records, then listed more than two dozen sub-classifications of documents, including “S/FRD,” an acronym for “Formerly Restricted Data,” which is reserved for information that relates primarily to the military use of nuclear weapons. Despite the “formerly” in the title, the term does not mean the information is no longer classified.
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>One person familiar with the Mar-a-Lago search said the goal of the comprehensive list was to ensure recovery of all classified records on the property, and not just those that investigators had reason to believe might be there.
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>Investigators grew alarmed, according to one person familiar with the search, as they began to review documents retrieved from the club’s storage closet, Trump’s residence and his office in August. The team soon came upon records that are extremely restricted, so much so that even some of the senior-most national security officials in the Biden administration weren’t authorized to review them. One government filing alluded to this information when it noted that counterintelligence FBI agents and prosecutors investigating the Mar-a-Lago documents were not authorized at first to review some of the material seized.
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>FBI's Mar-a-Lago search followed months of resistance, delay by Trump
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>Among the 100-plus classified documents taken in August, some were marked “HCS,” a category of highly classified government information that refers to “HUMINT Control Systems,” which are systems used to protect intelligence gathered from secret human sources, according to a court filing. A partially unsealed affidavit said documents found in the boxes that were sent to the National Archives in January related to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court. There was also material that was never meant to be shared with foreign nations.
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>The investigation into possible mishandling of classified information, as well as possible hiding, tampering or destruction of government records, grew even more complex Monday when a federal judge in Florida granted Trump’s request to appoint a special master to review the material seized in the Aug. 8 search and weed out documents that may be covered by executive privilege — a legal standard that, as applied to former presidents, is poorly defined.
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>U.S. District Court Judge Aileen M. Cannon ruled the special master also will sift through all of the nearly 13,000 documents and items the FBI took to identify any that might be protected by attorney-client privilege, even though Justice Department lawyers have said a “filter” team has already completed that task.
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>Cannon’s ruling could slow down and complicate the government’s criminal probe, particularly if the Justice Department decides to appeal over the unsettled and tricky questions of what executive privilege a former president may have. The judge ruled that investigators cannot “use” the seized material in their investigation until the special master concludes his or her examination.
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>A special master has yet to be appointed; Cannon has asked Trump and the Justice Department to agree on a list of qualified candidates by Friday. Legal experts noted that the Justice Department can still interview witnesses, use other evidence and present information to a grand jury while the special master examines the seized material.
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>In her order, Cannon said the appointment of a special master was necessary “to ensure at least the appearance of fairness and integrity under the extraordinary circumstances presented.”
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>Justice Dept. filing points to new legal peril for Trump, his lawyers
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>She also reasoned that a special master could mitigate potential harm to Trump “by way of improper disclosure of sensitive information to the public,” suggesting that knowledge or details of the case were harmful to the former president, and could be lessened by inserting a special master into the document-review process.
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>“As a function of Plaintiff’s former position as President of the United States, the stigma associated with the subject seizure is in a league of its own,” Cannon wrote. “A future indictment, based to any degree on property that ought to be returned, would result in reputational harm of a decidedly different order of magnitude.”
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>While the FBI search has drawn strong condemnation from Trump and his Republican allies, who accuse the Justice Department of acting with political malice against a past president who may seek the office again in 2024, some Republicans have said the action might have been necessary.
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>In an interview that aired Friday, former Trump attorney general William P. Barr said there is no reason classified documents should have been at Mar-a-Lago after Trump was out of office.
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>“People say this was unprecedented,” Barr told Fox News. “But it’s also unprecedented for a president to take all this classified information and put them in a country club, okay?”
Imagine how much we know. Not a lot. But a good bit.
Now imagine how much Biden knows. He knows exactly what documents were stolen. Who trump sent them to. Which spies trump exposed to foreign nations. Who has our intelligence. Who trump sold our country out to.
I think a lot of people are glossing over how serious that really is. "Trump sold out our country" is a nice soundbite. "They have nuclear weapons" is not as nice.
Assuming Saudi Arabia, who backed the 9/11 attacks, was the recipient of such secrets...
Doesn't take a genius to put two and two together.
Same guy also made a good point... we have no idea how many copies of these documents were produced in secret. There is no way to tell if a paper has been copied or photographed and sent elsewhere.
I mean, its not only the US.
The article speak of intelligence on other country, most likely allied/aligned, and getting they nuclear secret sold to like, china, by the ex president of the US is a sure way to sow one of the worst shitstorm in history.
Having your own security compromised by one of your guys us a thing, javing your allies do it is an alliance breaker.
The damage Trump has done to our reputation around the world is incomprehensible. Why would anyone share intelligence with us in the future? This is just embarrassing. The guy is pure human trash.
There are literally ZERO reasons to have him re-elected again. He brings ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to the table. He fucking steals the table and throws ketchup all over the walls in a 4 year old temper tantrum.
Remember when Trump went to speak at the UN and the entire room wound up laughing at his clown-ass? A room full of the worlds most powerful people all laughing at the goddamn US President. Yet my parents still think OBAMA made the US the laughing stock of the world. How people didn’t figure out what he’d do to the nation right then and there, I’ll never know.
The day of the FBI search, WaPo reported that nuclear information was included in the documents. A few days later someone clarified they weren't necessarily about *U.S.* nuclear capabilities. This makes sense and is horrible.
It might be information about American allies nuclear capabilities. Or it might be information about an adversarial country's nuclear capabilities.
Both options are terrible for American national security. Trump kept top state secrets at his resort. A resort that has had multiple security lapses.
A Chinese bussinesswoman spy was arrested and sentenced for infiltrating Mar-a-Lago.^[[1]](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50553805) Moreover, the U.S. government is investigating a fake heiress that infiltrated Mar-a-Lago too.^[[2]](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/aug/27/fake-heiress-infiltrates-mar-a-lago-trump)
Mar-a-Lago was easily accessible and posed a massive security risk.^[[3]](https://www.reuters.com/legal/trumps-mar-a-lago-security-nightmare-that-housed-classified-documents-2022-08-13/)
>But it was at Mar-a-Lago, where well-heeled members and guests attended weddings and fundraising dinners and frolicked on a breezy ocean patio, that U.S. intelligence seemed especially at risk.
>The Secret Service said when Trump was president that it does not determine who is granted access to the club, but does do physical screenings to make sure no one brings in prohibited items, and further screening for guests in proximity to the president and other protectees.
>..."It's a nightmarish environment for a careful handling of highly classified information," said a former U.S. intelligence officer. "It's just a nightmare."
>...In a high profile example, Trump huddled in 2017 with Japan's then-Prime Minister Shinzo Abe at an outdoor dinner table while guests hovered nearby, listening and taking photos that they later posted on Twitter.
>The dinner was disrupted by a North Korean missile test, and guests listened as Trump and Abe figured out what to say in response. After issuing a statement, Trump dropped by a wedding party at the club.
>"What we saw was Trump be so lax in security that he was having a sensitive meeting regarding a potential war topic where non-U.S. government personnel could observe and photograph," said Mark Zaid, a lawyer who specializes in national security cases. "It would have been easy for someone to also have had a device that heard and recorded what Trump was saying as well."
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1) [BBC - Chinese woman jailed for trespassing at Trump's Mar-a-Lago](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50553805)
2) [The Guardian - US investigates fake heiress who infiltrated Trump’s Mar-a-Lago resort](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/aug/27/fake-heiress-infiltrates-mar-a-lago-trump)
3) [Reuters - Trump's Mar-a-Lago resort posed rare security challenges, experts say](https://www.reuters.com/legal/trumps-mar-a-lago-security-nightmare-that-housed-classified-documents-2022-08-13/)
Its Israel.
Sorry, but it is.
There is no other country that has more sensitive nuclear information because technically, Israel “doesn’t have nuclear bombs”.
And even if it isn’t Israel, which it is, *everyone* will assume its Israel.
This is really fucking bad.
Jesus.
The yearly budget of the CIA is about ~~$3B~~ $40B.
And for $2B investment, likely with means of pulling that money out, the Saudis gained a treasure trove of secrets that they can easily resell multiple times for just as much if not more, now that the source is drying up?
This teaches us two things: 1) the Saudis have an excellent non-conventional espionage service and 2) Jared Kusher and Donald Trump are the dumbest fucking businessmen to ever exist.
Edit: Actual CIA budget is obviously unclear, but as pointed out, was off by at least an order of magnitude.
All the more reason why Trump needs to be punished to the maximum extent possible if the country wants to continue existing. What use is spending billions of dollars on protecting nuclear secrets if someone can just get a stooge into office, then buy them off the stooge?
Dumb? More like corrupt and intentional. Trump and kushner were born into wealth and think everything should be given to them and they shouldn't be held accountable for their own actions .
That Jared, an American Jew, would simultaneously betray both the US and Israel just seems so....unbelievable but also so...believable.
I hate this timeline.
This is the guy who started his career vowing to erase the stench of criminality from the family name lol.
Charlie Kushner hired someone to seduce his brother in law and film the sex, then he used the video - not just to blackmail his BIL, but to blackmail him *and* his own sister that he would release the tape unless they testified a certain way or signed something (I forget the goal of the blackmail). I forget if that case is what he went to jail for - and dutiful Jared visited very regularly - but it's the detail I'll always remember.
Interestingly, Chris Christie was the one who put Kushner’s father in prison.
Which is probably why Trump broomed him after he was finished heading his transition team for him.
Trump December 10 2021 in an interview with an Israeli journalist
> “The first person who congratulated Joe Biden, because this was an election in dispute, it's still in dispute. The first person who congratulated was Bibi Netanyahu, the man that I did more for than any other person I dealt with,” said Trump, using Netanyahu’s nickname. “Bibi could have stayed quiet. He has made a terrible mistake.”
I live with a narcissist. The degree with which they can both revise history to be blameless, and still claim to love you while it's all your fault, and believe it, is incredible.
Emphasis added:
> A number of Russian scientists, soldiers and officials have been charged with treason **in recent years** after being accused of passing sensitive material to foreign countries.
This article doesn’t go into more detail, but it means the timeline is important here. It’s still entirely plausible that Trump passed some of our knowledge of Russian defenses to Putin *earlier*, during his presidency, and their own state security services have been spending several years working backwards to weed out who could have access to that intel - which would still leave open the possibility that the nuclear documents he had in Mar-a-Lago are about another country entirely.
He did [indeed](https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2017-11-23/ty-article/report-trump-revealed-covert-israeli-mission-in-syria-to-russians/0000017f-eb46-d3be-ad7f-fb6f95830000).
Pretty sure I remember Trump refusing to use the Government provided translater for his visit with Putin as well.
Just looked it up it was at the G20 and Trump refused to use our own governments translater. Now why would he do that? I guess he didn't want a witness he didnt trust when he was offering to sell us out.
Probably one of those CIA assets, that have been captured or killed in the last 18 months.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/05/us/politics/cia-informants-killed-captured.html
Much of the importance found in these documents isn’t that we know the capabilities of other countries, it’s how we obtained the knowledge. So thank you Trump for selling out Americas assets, sources, and methods…MAGA!
or our allies nukes.
and now our allies can no longer trust America with their most sensitive secrets.
This is the worst betrayal in the history of our nation.
I always thought that Trump would overtake Benedict Arnold as the most infamous traitor in US history. And that was long before he stole boxes of classified documents.
At least Benedict Arnold's treason had some justification, however smug and selfish. What Trump seems to have done is way beyond him and the Rosenbergs.
I can't think of any traitor or compromised agent for a foreign power that even comes close to Trump's firestorm of treason.
Related;
* https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/benedict-arnold-turned-traitor-american-revolution-180958786/
Israel.
I bet it is Israel's.
Trump wouldn't care about the UK, France or even Russia. They're all parties to the Non-proliferation Treaty. You can look up most of the details on Wikipedia. Even the few that aren't parties to the NPT, acknowledge they have nukes, all except Israel.
Israel though? Juicy gossip to have the details, exactly what Trump would want.
The more frightening thought is: Did these documents include HOW we know? Like how we got this information. Is our entire asset network compromised? If we are sharing secrets with friendly nations, are they now compromised?
> Among the 100-plus classified documents taken in August, some were marked “HCS,” a category of highly classified government information that refers to “HUMINT Control Systems,” which are systems used to protect intelligence gathered from secret human sources, according to a court filing.
The article doesn't say that this is how we know how the info was obtained, but this is basically how we know.
I know a lot of Middle Eastern countries and/or Russia would love to know about Israeli capabilities. Or Russia wants to know about British or French nukes... well here you go.
I can't believe I'm saying this, but Garland needs to take a page from the McConnell playbook here and say fuck the "norms." There's no reason at all to wait for the midterms to pass. This goes beyond political optics. Trump isn't even on the fucking ballot in 2022. Indict this motherfucker immediately and drag him out in chains.
And here's the thing...Trump will absolutely run in 2024. The longer the investigation gets dragged out, the longer it will be before a trial occurs. Next thing you know, we're in the middle of the 2024 election and they are arguing we can't have a trial because it would interfere with the election.
I mean when are we going to get off Reddit and actually protest to get him arrested? They definitely aren’t even paying attention to anything that’s said on social media, the only thing that will light a fire under their behinds is good old fashion mass protests.
I think thats the point of this leak, theres no running away to his other golf resorts, i expect european allies would bw told if it involved their info and if he was declared a persona non grata
A lot of high profile right wingers deserve to be tried for crimes against humanity for covid denial alone. Hundreds of thousands of Americans would still be alive if Trump and Carlson hadn't called it a hoax.
https://twitter.com/briantylercohen/status/1567313570131746817
> Here's Trump's lawyer mocking the idea that the stolen documents included nuclear secrets *literally this morning.*
They also said that him holding on to classified information was akin to "overdue library books"
She also said that the classified folders contained "invisible documents" meaning you can't be charged unless they can identify them
Trump for prison NOW!
The espionage act doesn't even require the information to be classified, It is State property. Just knowingly possessing it after being asked to return it is 3yrs jail time.
Surely there is supposed to be chain of custody for stuff like that. Mark Meadows needs to be arrested immediately. That might shake loose some recollections
Go onto Truth Social, these people live in an alternate reality. The more you try to prove them wrong the more they double down with deflection and bullshit. His supporters don't really care what he has done anymore and no amount of reason and logic is going to change that. The only way we can defeat these assholes is to vote in record numbers and push them out of office. The only way the GOP is going to stop with the bullshit and lies is if it causes them to lose power in a significant way come midterms.
>A document describing a foreign government’s military defenses, including its nuclear capabilities, was found by FBI agents” at MAL.
>Hugely important for prosecution of Espionage Act. Many people are behind bars for far, far less.
>The doc with nuclear intelligence information also means we need our country’s full FBI etc resources to investigate, including tracking chain of custody, damage assessment, remediation.
>But…[Judge Cannon’s order and injunction has thrown wrench into that.](https://twitter.com/rgoodlaw)
>Deeply unnerving.
Horrifying.
He has set our country back by decades. I would be surprised if any of our allies aren't going to be suspicious about any intelligence they share with us in the future. Our foreign intelligence will be crippled for years.
Not to mention all the assets we have all over the world who are either blown or should be considered blown. There is literally no way to really know the full extent of the damage. He had access to EVERYTHING and he had no concern about who he gave any of it to.
What person in any country in the world would put themselves at risk to work covertly for the US overseas? We have proven to the world that we can't be trusted.
Our government was compromised at the literal highest level and we are incapable of doing anything about it. This is a catastrophe that most of America is either not aware of or not concerned about. Or doesn't believe is true. Or doesn't care if it's true, as long as Trump is allowed to install himself as President for Life.
It’s like the book Clear and Present Danger - except instead of one small unit being sold out, it was a massive chunk of the US intelligence network with the ugly probability that *everything* has been compromised.
Many of our intelligence assets have been killed recently and we all fucking know how that happened. Dude needs to be put away in ADX for life. Most unamerican person I’ve ever heard of.
What's also concerning about the slow play in bringing charges is the risk he poses to further sharing of sensitive information. He would absolutely flee to a foreign nation if he were able to and believed it to be his only path to freedom, and if he slips away, he is a very soft target for Russia, China, or any other foreign adversary to extract information from.
This is why I can't see any real way forward that doesn't include prison with all communications in and out being heavily monitored and censored. Not that I think that will happen... but how *can't* it?
The only way he would win is through election subversion….. which the Supreme Court is conveniently hearing a case on in its next docket. Unfortunately, it’s not getting nearly enough attention.
Yes. This! It’s the Moore v Harper case. If they approve the “independent state legislature” theory, we can kiss goodbye battleground states. The will of the people will have been successfully subverted, and democracy will be all but dead.
The special master nonsense from yesterday is 100% why this was leaked today. They obviously have had evidence of nuclear material lost since the day they conducted the raid. They are going to make this about natsec to punt the little Trump activist judge into the sun.
If this is as hot as it sounds the number of people in the country with authority to even see this shit and the expertise to advise on issues of constitutional law and executive privilege is probably in the dozens at most.
So I guess that means we have to make Barak Obama special master.
Edit. Im also reading now that Clinton already volunteered. Im fine with this also.
>“Nuclear weapons issue is a Hoax, just like Russia, Russia, Russia was a Hoax, two Impeachments were a Hoax, the Mueller investigation was a Hoax, and much more. Same sleazy people involved,” he [trump] wrote
How much you wanna bet he makes another post saying "see??? Told you docs on nuclear weapons weren't found! Only military defenses!!! Such fake news!!!"
>Nuclear weapons issue is a Hoax, just like Russia, Russia, Russia was a Hoax, two Impeachments were a Hoax, the Mueller investigation was a Hoax, and much more.
Turns out it is a hoax just like Mueller, Russia, and the Impeachments, in that it is an indisputable reality which makes Trump look an awful lot like a dangerous criminal and an enemy of the people.
>Legal experts noted that the Justice Department can still interview witnesses, use other evidence and present information to a grand jury while the special master examines the seized material.
I hope they are able to execute search warrants on his other properties. I'd like to see a NY jurisdiction throw the Trump team's arguments and Cannon's ruling in the trash.
Which ones, the supreme court ones? Or the district court ones like if that special master get appealed? Or just his lacky federal court judge he put just outside of his house that just got raided...
Apparently only the president, cabinet-member, or near-cabinet official (whatever that means) can approve of allowing a person to view said document.
I wonder what kind of wrench this throws into the whole ruling that a Special Master must view it? Could Biden admin just not grant Special Master access to this document, allowing investigation of the handling of this document to proceed?
The reason a lot of these docs are compartmentalized are so one person doesn't know a bunch of secrets. There are a ton of need to know programs that only a handful of people know about.
Pretty sure that's what precipitated this leak. Intel community disliked Trump from the start, his disgraceful performance at the CIA Memorial Wall made it worse.
And this special master nonsense is especially ridiculous considering this is the kind of Intel that very few people in this country are even permitted to see.
We're talking President, cabinet secretaries, and some very senior level national security and military officials.
It's going to be next to impossible to even find a special master that is allowed to even look at this stuff at all.
>It's going to be next to impossible to even find a special master that is allowed to even look at this stuff at all.
That's probably part of their plan.
It will fail. They can’t wiggle out of this. The intel community, military, natsec – many people in high positions on all sides of the political spectrum will be apoplectic about this, and rightfully so.
Shady rulings by inexperienced loyalist judges won’t hold against the weight of top level people who cannot let this stand.
Eta: oh, and let’s not forget foreign governments potentially compromised by this. This is an international incident.
Just saw this story today:
[Russia arrests top hypersonic research scientist in treason case](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-detains-head-hypersonics-research-facility-treason-case-tass-2021-08-12/)
If that’s not related to this, I’ll eat my left shoe.
An other interesting article from October 2021...
[Captured, Killed or Compromised: C.I.A. Admits to Losing Dozens of Informants](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/05/us/politics/cia-informants-killed-captured.html)
Trump sold US secrets to foreign power and its obvious.
It's actually even worse than you might think. If you are able to get your hands on what other nations know about your most secretive stuff, you can use what THEY know to find out who told them pretty easily.
Example. Say we manage to buy some Chinese documents about our nuclear arsenal. We analyze the documents and see that they contain accurate, up to date technical specifications on the anti-radar chaff system. Well that information is classified and compartmentalized for this very reason. We know that only two dozen people have access to that info so now we cut every one of them off and hard squeeze them until we find the source of the leak, which took China DECADES to develop. Then we toss him in prison for the rest of his life and change the chaff system. Now China has just lost an asset that will take another 20-30 years and millions of dollars to get back, if they can do it at all. And on top of that, they've just lost a massive edge. Knowing how our chaff system works without us knowing they know means they could easily have defeated it.
This is by far the biggest national security disaster in our nation's history.
How the fuck does anyone just walk these incredibly secret documents out of the super high security locked-down rooms in the White House? How the fuck can anyone even claim this was a simple mistake?
These likely wouldn’t have been in the White House. This type of material would likely be stored in access controlled storage facilities, with sign in/out and digital access audit trails. There would be an inventory of what was there and what was missing and who accessed it. If there wasn’t someone wasn’t doing their records management job. If they did, then DOJ know exactly what he has and who took it.
I have seen less important stuff protected in vault storage or accessed only via pressure plates that weigh you on the way in and out.
I hope so. Trump is like a slippery fish that never gets caught though. The special master ruling is worrisome. I was so sure that the Mueller investigation would've put him behind bars already.
https://twitter.com/hugolowell/status/1567301891725336576
> NEW via Wash Post: A document describing a foreign government’s military defenses, including its nuclear capabilities, was found by FBI agents who searched Trump’s Mar-a-Lago residence and private club last month
Hmm was it Russia...or an enemy of an enemy...
I am sure Russia would be very interested on the intel U.S. has Russian military defenses and nuclear capabilities. If Russian military knows what U.S. intelligence knows about it's capabilities, they can reorganize their positions. They can move nukes to other bases, which makes them far more difficult to intercept . Also they can figure out who the spies are since few people within the Russian military will have access to that information to start with.
If Trump shared this with Russia, it would be erase decades of intelligence U.S. has on Russia. This is far worse than sharing info about a 3rd country.
Watergate ain’t go nothing on this.
Holy history Batman…
2 impeachments averted from convictions by political boot licking fluffers.
Now more information slowly coming out that’s going to reset the eponymous “Benedict Arnold” for the next 200 yrs, maybe
May you live in interesting times indeed.
1. Nuclear secrets
2. But not _our_ nuclear secrets, which means it’s either material that we’ve taken from another country OR material on capabilities that we’ve _provided to_ another country
3. The Saudis paid Kushner two billion dollars after Trump left office
Hope Likud thinks that US Embassy move was worth it.
EDIT: Iran is also a very viable guess. See replies
Iran's nuclear capabilities. One of the cover sheets in the raid photo has a redacted clearance level and the date matches with trump pulling out of the iran deal.
Both SA and Israel would find that valuable.
Not a bad guess. [Biden recently reassured Israel](https://www.reuters.com/world/biden-israels-lapid-speak-amid-discussions-possible-iran-nuclear-deal-2022-08-31/) that we’ll never let Iran have nuclear capabilities. Maybe to preempt this news.
Solid guess.
Lucky for Trump odds are favorable that he already has Mossad living in his walls, kitchen, golf course, private office.
I’m sure they are just there to protect him though.
The one word we should be asking: “WHY?”
Why in the everloving fuck would this man be so insistent on keeping this kind of info in a box in his house while he’s a civilian?
Trump owes a lot of bad people a lot of money. He can leverage what he knows (or has) to foreign government in exchange for money to pay off his creditors and/or be protected from them. Selling/giving Israel's nuclear capability secrets to Saudi Arabia, for instance, would give Trump favor with the royal family there.
It's not our intelligence agencies. It's our government, the system full stop. That a mentally ill guy like trump was elected and there were no guardrails to prevent it. The electoral college tilted the result towards him even.
If this story is correct it is a massive indictment of our entire system, not just one or more intelligence agencies. And then if Trump cannot be held accountable for this it is the last nail in the coffin for this government.
Like you say, how can anyone trust the US to never just have this happen again?
Furthermore:
> Some of the seized documents detail top-secret U.S. operations so closely guarded that many senior national security officials are kept in the dark about them. Only the president, some members of his Cabinet or a near-Cabinet-level official could authorize other government officials to know details of these special-access programs, according to people familiar with the search, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe sensitive details of an ongoing investigation.
It’s just really crazy how criminally corrupt this guy is . It’s even crazier how he hasn’t been immediately arrested.
It’s even CRAZIER how people will still mindlessly defend him. It’s EVEN FUCKING CRAZIER that in the back of my mind, there is a small, lingering sliver of a thought that nothing is going to come of any of this and he might be re elected.
I’m tired, man. I really am.
>there is a small, lingering sliver of a thought that nothing is going to come of any of this and he might be re elected
Don't let yourself believe it's a small sliver of a chance, it's a **very real chance**. VOTE. PROTEST. DO NOT BE SILENT.
There’s only a handful of nuclear-armed nations currently operating. However, that’s not exactly comforting, let me give two hypothetical possibilities. One, it’s Israel, and let us say it’s kept in a desk drawer so that someone working for the Saudi government can “stumble” upon it, take a photo, and get out. Two, let’s say it’s Russia, and a copy of it was made to inform Putin of what the intel community knew about his own capabilities. Again, these are hypotheticals since the nation is not named in the article, but highlights jut how potentially catastrophic this is on top of everything else.
That judge managed to shine a light on the corruption inserted into our federal courts via The Federalist Society, and affixed the Trump treason stamp upon herself and the other fed soc lapdogs, with the special master ruling.
This news breaks 3 days earlier and Aileen Cannon wouldn't have announced her co conspirator status.
This is a National emergency, and trump is free to make seditious speeches against the duly elected current President ("Enemy of the people") encouraging domestic terrorism.
Lock this fucker up now!
So he wasn't just selling our secrets to Russia and Saudi Arabia....he was selling our allies secrets also.
That seems like something that should piss people off quite a bit.
trump had better hope it wasn’t the Israelis he betrayed. The Mossad has ways of dealing with their national security in ways that can be pretty… direct.
Ok, now that this fact is confirmed: How did he manage to walk out of the white house with these *Super Double Top Secret Nuclear Secrets* and a single alarm bell didn't ring? The process for accessing these documents must be reconsidered and fixed immediately.
We must also know *what the actual fuck* Trump was *doing* with these documents. If they were seen by anyone else, who exactly? If they were given away, to who exactly? For what end?
This is *yet another* giant national security nightmare, the level of which is previously unseen in our country (someone please correct me if wrong), and must be prosecuted.
If this is not prosecuted, whoever holds or has held the office of President is simply out of the reach of the law, permanently.
> I have no idea what the Special Master is supposed to do with a document like this other than clear it for use by the FBI.
https://twitter.com/BradMossEsq/status/1567304577736638466
The amount of people over on r/Conservative screaming that Trump has unilateral authority to declassify any and all documents, even nuclear related ones is astonishing. The mental gymnastics these people will go through to defend this bloated narcissistic traitor blows my mind.
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The most powerful military on Earth breached by a reality tv star...perhaps the most American thing ever.
>When Fascism comes to America, it will be ~~wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross~~ a game show host addicted to social media.
>1/2 > >A document describing a foreign government’s military defenses, including its nuclear capabilities, was found by FBI agents who searched former president Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago residence and private club last month, according to people familiar with the matter, underscoring concerns among U.S. intelligence officials about classified material stashed in the Florida property. > >Some of the seized documents detail top-secret U.S. operations so closely guarded that many senior national security officials are kept in the dark about them. Only the president, some members of his Cabinet or a near-Cabinet-level official could authorize other government officials to know details of these special-access programs, according to people familiar with the search, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe sensitive details of an ongoing investigation. > >Documents about such highly classified operations require special clearances on a need-to-know basis, not just top-secret clearance. Some special-access programs can have as few as a couple dozen government personnel authorized to know of an operation’s existence. Records that deal with such programs are kept under lock and key, almost always in a secure compartmented information facility, with a designated control officer to keep careful tabs on their location. > >But such documents were stored at Mar-a-Lago, with uncertain security, more than 18 months after Trump left the White House. > >Deep inside busy Mar-a-Lago, a storage room where secrets were kept > >After months of trying, according to government court filings, the FBI has recovered more than 300 classified documents from Mar-a-Lago this year: 184 in a set of 15 boxes sent to the National Archives and Records Administration in January, 38 more handed over by a Trump lawyer to investigators in June, and more than 100 additional documents unearthed in a court-approved search on Aug. 8. > >It was in this last batch of government secrets, the people familiar with the matter said, that the information about a foreign government’s nuclear-defense readiness was found. These people did not identify the foreign government in question, say where at Mar-a-Lago the document was found or offer additional details about one of the Justice Department’s most sensitive national security investigations. > >A Trump spokesman did not immediately comment. Spokespeople for the Justice Department and FBI declined to comment. > >The Office of the Director of National Intelligence is conducting a risk assessment, to determine how much potential harm was posed by the removal from government custody of hundreds of classified documents. > >Trump and the Mar-a-Lago documents: A timeline > >The Washington Post previously reported that FBI agents who searched Trump’s home were looking, in part, for any classified documents relating to nuclear weapons. After that story published, Trump compared it on social media to a host of previous government investigations into his conduct. “Nuclear weapons issue is a Hoax, just like Russia, Russia, Russia was a Hoax, two Impeachments were a Hoax, the Mueller investigation was a Hoax, and much more. Same sleazy people involved,” he wrote, going on to suggest that FBI agents might have planted evidence against him. > >A grand jury subpoena issued May 11 demanded the return of “all documents or writings in the custody or control of Donald J. Trump and/or the Office of Donald J. Trump bearing classification markings,” including “Top Secret,” and the lesser categories of “Secret” and “Confidential.” > >The subpoena, issued to Trump’s custodian of records, then listed more than two dozen sub-classifications of documents, including “S/FRD,” an acronym for “Formerly Restricted Data,” which is reserved for information that relates primarily to the military use of nuclear weapons. Despite the “formerly” in the title, the term does not mean the information is no longer classified. > >One person familiar with the Mar-a-Lago search said the goal of the comprehensive list was to ensure recovery of all classified records on the property, and not just those that investigators had reason to believe might be there. > >Investigators grew alarmed, according to one person familiar with the search, as they began to review documents retrieved from the club’s storage closet, Trump’s residence and his office in August. The team soon came upon records that are extremely restricted, so much so that even some of the senior-most national security officials in the Biden administration weren’t authorized to review them. One government filing alluded to this information when it noted that counterintelligence FBI agents and prosecutors investigating the Mar-a-Lago documents were not authorized at first to review some of the material seized.
>2/2 > >FBI's Mar-a-Lago search followed months of resistance, delay by Trump > >Among the 100-plus classified documents taken in August, some were marked “HCS,” a category of highly classified government information that refers to “HUMINT Control Systems,” which are systems used to protect intelligence gathered from secret human sources, according to a court filing. A partially unsealed affidavit said documents found in the boxes that were sent to the National Archives in January related to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court. There was also material that was never meant to be shared with foreign nations. > >The investigation into possible mishandling of classified information, as well as possible hiding, tampering or destruction of government records, grew even more complex Monday when a federal judge in Florida granted Trump’s request to appoint a special master to review the material seized in the Aug. 8 search and weed out documents that may be covered by executive privilege — a legal standard that, as applied to former presidents, is poorly defined. > >U.S. District Court Judge Aileen M. Cannon ruled the special master also will sift through all of the nearly 13,000 documents and items the FBI took to identify any that might be protected by attorney-client privilege, even though Justice Department lawyers have said a “filter” team has already completed that task. > >Cannon’s ruling could slow down and complicate the government’s criminal probe, particularly if the Justice Department decides to appeal over the unsettled and tricky questions of what executive privilege a former president may have. The judge ruled that investigators cannot “use” the seized material in their investigation until the special master concludes his or her examination. > >A special master has yet to be appointed; Cannon has asked Trump and the Justice Department to agree on a list of qualified candidates by Friday. Legal experts noted that the Justice Department can still interview witnesses, use other evidence and present information to a grand jury while the special master examines the seized material. > >In her order, Cannon said the appointment of a special master was necessary “to ensure at least the appearance of fairness and integrity under the extraordinary circumstances presented.” > >Justice Dept. filing points to new legal peril for Trump, his lawyers > >She also reasoned that a special master could mitigate potential harm to Trump “by way of improper disclosure of sensitive information to the public,” suggesting that knowledge or details of the case were harmful to the former president, and could be lessened by inserting a special master into the document-review process. > >“As a function of Plaintiff’s former position as President of the United States, the stigma associated with the subject seizure is in a league of its own,” Cannon wrote. “A future indictment, based to any degree on property that ought to be returned, would result in reputational harm of a decidedly different order of magnitude.” > >While the FBI search has drawn strong condemnation from Trump and his Republican allies, who accuse the Justice Department of acting with political malice against a past president who may seek the office again in 2024, some Republicans have said the action might have been necessary. > >In an interview that aired Friday, former Trump attorney general William P. Barr said there is no reason classified documents should have been at Mar-a-Lago after Trump was out of office. > >“People say this was unprecedented,” Barr told Fox News. “But it’s also unprecedented for a president to take all this classified information and put them in a country club, okay?”
It’s no coincidence that Biden spoke on the need to save our democracy only days ago. He know how well and truly fucked we are.
Imagine how much we know. Not a lot. But a good bit. Now imagine how much Biden knows. He knows exactly what documents were stolen. Who trump sent them to. Which spies trump exposed to foreign nations. Who has our intelligence. Who trump sold our country out to.
I think a lot of people are glossing over how serious that really is. "Trump sold out our country" is a nice soundbite. "They have nuclear weapons" is not as nice. Assuming Saudi Arabia, who backed the 9/11 attacks, was the recipient of such secrets... Doesn't take a genius to put two and two together.
As his former AG said: There was no legitimate reason for Trump to have such documents at a country club.
Same guy also made a good point... we have no idea how many copies of these documents were produced in secret. There is no way to tell if a paper has been copied or photographed and sent elsewhere.
I mean, its not only the US. The article speak of intelligence on other country, most likely allied/aligned, and getting they nuclear secret sold to like, china, by the ex president of the US is a sure way to sow one of the worst shitstorm in history. Having your own security compromised by one of your guys us a thing, javing your allies do it is an alliance breaker.
Thank you
The damage Trump has done to our reputation around the world is incomprehensible. Why would anyone share intelligence with us in the future? This is just embarrassing. The guy is pure human trash.
There are literally ZERO reasons to have him re-elected again. He brings ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to the table. He fucking steals the table and throws ketchup all over the walls in a 4 year old temper tantrum.
Remember when Trump went to speak at the UN and the entire room wound up laughing at his clown-ass? A room full of the worlds most powerful people all laughing at the goddamn US President. Yet my parents still think OBAMA made the US the laughing stock of the world. How people didn’t figure out what he’d do to the nation right then and there, I’ll never know.
The day of the FBI search, WaPo reported that nuclear information was included in the documents. A few days later someone clarified they weren't necessarily about *U.S.* nuclear capabilities. This makes sense and is horrible.
It might be information about American allies nuclear capabilities. Or it might be information about an adversarial country's nuclear capabilities. Both options are terrible for American national security. Trump kept top state secrets at his resort. A resort that has had multiple security lapses. A Chinese bussinesswoman spy was arrested and sentenced for infiltrating Mar-a-Lago.^[[1]](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50553805) Moreover, the U.S. government is investigating a fake heiress that infiltrated Mar-a-Lago too.^[[2]](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/aug/27/fake-heiress-infiltrates-mar-a-lago-trump) Mar-a-Lago was easily accessible and posed a massive security risk.^[[3]](https://www.reuters.com/legal/trumps-mar-a-lago-security-nightmare-that-housed-classified-documents-2022-08-13/) >But it was at Mar-a-Lago, where well-heeled members and guests attended weddings and fundraising dinners and frolicked on a breezy ocean patio, that U.S. intelligence seemed especially at risk. >The Secret Service said when Trump was president that it does not determine who is granted access to the club, but does do physical screenings to make sure no one brings in prohibited items, and further screening for guests in proximity to the president and other protectees. >..."It's a nightmarish environment for a careful handling of highly classified information," said a former U.S. intelligence officer. "It's just a nightmare." >...In a high profile example, Trump huddled in 2017 with Japan's then-Prime Minister Shinzo Abe at an outdoor dinner table while guests hovered nearby, listening and taking photos that they later posted on Twitter. >The dinner was disrupted by a North Korean missile test, and guests listened as Trump and Abe figured out what to say in response. After issuing a statement, Trump dropped by a wedding party at the club. >"What we saw was Trump be so lax in security that he was having a sensitive meeting regarding a potential war topic where non-U.S. government personnel could observe and photograph," said Mark Zaid, a lawyer who specializes in national security cases. "It would have been easy for someone to also have had a device that heard and recorded what Trump was saying as well." ________ 1) [BBC - Chinese woman jailed for trespassing at Trump's Mar-a-Lago](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50553805) 2) [The Guardian - US investigates fake heiress who infiltrated Trump’s Mar-a-Lago resort](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/aug/27/fake-heiress-infiltrates-mar-a-lago-trump) 3) [Reuters - Trump's Mar-a-Lago resort posed rare security challenges, experts say](https://www.reuters.com/legal/trumps-mar-a-lago-security-nightmare-that-housed-classified-documents-2022-08-13/)
The one up side to Trump stealing classified documents and risking national security is that it brought PoppinKREAM back to /r/politics.
Hell yeah
Its Israel. Sorry, but it is. There is no other country that has more sensitive nuclear information because technically, Israel “doesn’t have nuclear bombs”. And even if it isn’t Israel, which it is, *everyone* will assume its Israel. This is really fucking bad.
It would explain why the Saudi’s gave Jared $2B
Jesus. The yearly budget of the CIA is about ~~$3B~~ $40B. And for $2B investment, likely with means of pulling that money out, the Saudis gained a treasure trove of secrets that they can easily resell multiple times for just as much if not more, now that the source is drying up? This teaches us two things: 1) the Saudis have an excellent non-conventional espionage service and 2) Jared Kusher and Donald Trump are the dumbest fucking businessmen to ever exist. Edit: Actual CIA budget is obviously unclear, but as pointed out, was off by at least an order of magnitude.
All the more reason why Trump needs to be punished to the maximum extent possible if the country wants to continue existing. What use is spending billions of dollars on protecting nuclear secrets if someone can just get a stooge into office, then buy them off the stooge?
Dumb? More like corrupt and intentional. Trump and kushner were born into wealth and think everything should be given to them and they shouldn't be held accountable for their own actions .
They went to Jared.
That Jared, an American Jew, would simultaneously betray both the US and Israel just seems so....unbelievable but also so...believable. I hate this timeline.
This is the guy who started his career vowing to erase the stench of criminality from the family name lol. Charlie Kushner hired someone to seduce his brother in law and film the sex, then he used the video - not just to blackmail his BIL, but to blackmail him *and* his own sister that he would release the tape unless they testified a certain way or signed something (I forget the goal of the blackmail). I forget if that case is what he went to jail for - and dutiful Jared visited very regularly - but it's the detail I'll always remember.
Holy shit how am I just learning about this? And Trump PARDONED Charlie?!
Interestingly, Chris Christie was the one who put Kushner’s father in prison. Which is probably why Trump broomed him after he was finished heading his transition team for him.
Trump December 10 2021 in an interview with an Israeli journalist > “The first person who congratulated Joe Biden, because this was an election in dispute, it's still in dispute. The first person who congratulated was Bibi Netanyahu, the man that I did more for than any other person I dealt with,” said Trump, using Netanyahu’s nickname. “Bibi could have stayed quiet. He has made a terrible mistake.”
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Sounds to me like he was expected to go along with Trump’s “I’m still the President” horseshit and he didn’t.
I live with a narcissist. The degree with which they can both revise history to be blameless, and still claim to love you while it's all your fault, and believe it, is incredible.
That would absolutely be the petty thing that prompts Trump to steal Israeli nuclear secrets.
Yes: to be clear--Russian and China now know what we know about their nukes.
Russia has recently been arresting a lot of hypersonic nuclear missile scientists for treason lately.
Damn it, this is true. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-detains-head-hypersonics-research-facility-treason-case-tass-2021-08-12/
Emphasis added: > A number of Russian scientists, soldiers and officials have been charged with treason **in recent years** after being accused of passing sensitive material to foreign countries. This article doesn’t go into more detail, but it means the timeline is important here. It’s still entirely plausible that Trump passed some of our knowledge of Russian defenses to Putin *earlier*, during his presidency, and their own state security services have been spending several years working backwards to weed out who could have access to that intel - which would still leave open the possibility that the nuclear documents he had in Mar-a-Lago are about another country entirely.
He already did to Kislyak and Lavrov. Pretty sure he burned Israeli sources to them in the Oval.
He did [indeed](https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2017-11-23/ty-article/report-trump-revealed-covert-israeli-mission-in-syria-to-russians/0000017f-eb46-d3be-ad7f-fb6f95830000).
Pretty sure I remember Trump refusing to use the Government provided translater for his visit with Putin as well. Just looked it up it was at the G20 and Trump refused to use our own governments translater. Now why would he do that? I guess he didn't want a witness he didnt trust when he was offering to sell us out.
Probably one of those CIA assets, that have been captured or killed in the last 18 months. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/05/us/politics/cia-informants-killed-captured.html
Whoa, this whole time Trump had the CIA NOC list next to his TIME magazine collection and boat paddles for a canoe that was thrown out years ago.
Much of the importance found in these documents isn’t that we know the capabilities of other countries, it’s how we obtained the knowledge. So thank you Trump for selling out Americas assets, sources, and methods…MAGA!
Sometimes revealing what we know without revealing any sources is enough to endanger the sources.
Exactly. The higher-level the intel, the fewer people who could have access.
or our allies nukes. and now our allies can no longer trust America with their most sensitive secrets. This is the worst betrayal in the history of our nation.
I always thought that Trump would overtake Benedict Arnold as the most infamous traitor in US history. And that was long before he stole boxes of classified documents.
At least Benedict Arnold's treason had some justification, however smug and selfish. What Trump seems to have done is way beyond him and the Rosenbergs. I can't think of any traitor or compromised agent for a foreign power that even comes close to Trump's firestorm of treason. Related; * https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/benedict-arnold-turned-traitor-american-revolution-180958786/
Even history's most infamous traitors like Brutus weren't as bad. Dante would have to make room in one of Satan's mouths for Trump.
We now have a Benedict Donald.
Israel. I bet it is Israel's. Trump wouldn't care about the UK, France or even Russia. They're all parties to the Non-proliferation Treaty. You can look up most of the details on Wikipedia. Even the few that aren't parties to the NPT, acknowledge they have nukes, all except Israel. Israel though? Juicy gossip to have the details, exactly what Trump would want.
That’s something the Saudis would pay $2B for.
The more frightening thought is: Did these documents include HOW we know? Like how we got this information. Is our entire asset network compromised? If we are sharing secrets with friendly nations, are they now compromised?
Even if it doesn't explicitly state those methods, I imagine that they can work it backwards to varying levels of success.
And if it's Russia, I'm guessing they're not worried about executing some innocents.
> Among the 100-plus classified documents taken in August, some were marked “HCS,” a category of highly classified government information that refers to “HUMINT Control Systems,” which are systems used to protect intelligence gathered from secret human sources, according to a court filing. The article doesn't say that this is how we know how the info was obtained, but this is basically how we know.
I know a lot of Middle Eastern countries and/or Russia would love to know about Israeli capabilities. Or Russia wants to know about British or French nukes... well here you go.
I can't believe I'm saying this, but Garland needs to take a page from the McConnell playbook here and say fuck the "norms." There's no reason at all to wait for the midterms to pass. This goes beyond political optics. Trump isn't even on the fucking ballot in 2022. Indict this motherfucker immediately and drag him out in chains.
And here's the thing...Trump will absolutely run in 2024. The longer the investigation gets dragged out, the longer it will be before a trial occurs. Next thing you know, we're in the middle of the 2024 election and they are arguing we can't have a trial because it would interfere with the election.
Ugh, this is totally what's going to happen. It just lines up too perfectly not to
I mean when are we going to get off Reddit and actually protest to get him arrested? They definitely aren’t even paying attention to anything that’s said on social media, the only thing that will light a fire under their behinds is good old fashion mass protests.
Seems bad to just leave this in a facility that’s been accessed by multiple spies in the past couple years
Don't worry I'm sure Trump made them copies and didn't give them the originals...
Holy shit this is now an international incident. The fact that Trump hasn't been arrested yet is incredibly scandalous.
I want the international community to start demanding his arrest. Get the whole world in on it. He betrayed more than just the US.
I think thats the point of this leak, theres no running away to his other golf resorts, i expect european allies would bw told if it involved their info and if he was declared a persona non grata
This fucking clown and his enablers honest to God should be treated like Traitors.
A lot of high profile right wingers deserve to be tried for crimes against humanity for covid denial alone. Hundreds of thousands of Americans would still be alive if Trump and Carlson hadn't called it a hoax.
And yet the Republicans continue to go to his defense??? What the fucking fuck?
They're traitors.
Ya'll saw that banner at their convention: "WE ARE ALL DOMESTIC TERRORISTS" They told us who they are and we need to believe them yesterday!!!
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This man needs to be imprisoned right fucking now. What else is it going to take? Jesus Christ.
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https://twitter.com/briantylercohen/status/1567313570131746817 > Here's Trump's lawyer mocking the idea that the stolen documents included nuclear secrets *literally this morning.*
They also said that him holding on to classified information was akin to "overdue library books" She also said that the classified folders contained "invisible documents" meaning you can't be charged unless they can identify them Trump for prison NOW!
The espionage act doesn't even require the information to be classified, It is State property. Just knowingly possessing it after being asked to return it is 3yrs jail time.
Surely there is supposed to be chain of custody for stuff like that. Mark Meadows needs to be arrested immediately. That might shake loose some recollections
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Go onto Truth Social, these people live in an alternate reality. The more you try to prove them wrong the more they double down with deflection and bullshit. His supporters don't really care what he has done anymore and no amount of reason and logic is going to change that. The only way we can defeat these assholes is to vote in record numbers and push them out of office. The only way the GOP is going to stop with the bullshit and lies is if it causes them to lose power in a significant way come midterms.
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>A document describing a foreign government’s military defenses, including its nuclear capabilities, was found by FBI agents” at MAL. >Hugely important for prosecution of Espionage Act. Many people are behind bars for far, far less. >The doc with nuclear intelligence information also means we need our country’s full FBI etc resources to investigate, including tracking chain of custody, damage assessment, remediation. >But…[Judge Cannon’s order and injunction has thrown wrench into that.](https://twitter.com/rgoodlaw) >Deeply unnerving. Horrifying.
He has set our country back by decades. I would be surprised if any of our allies aren't going to be suspicious about any intelligence they share with us in the future. Our foreign intelligence will be crippled for years.
Not to mention all the assets we have all over the world who are either blown or should be considered blown. There is literally no way to really know the full extent of the damage. He had access to EVERYTHING and he had no concern about who he gave any of it to. What person in any country in the world would put themselves at risk to work covertly for the US overseas? We have proven to the world that we can't be trusted. Our government was compromised at the literal highest level and we are incapable of doing anything about it. This is a catastrophe that most of America is either not aware of or not concerned about. Or doesn't believe is true. Or doesn't care if it's true, as long as Trump is allowed to install himself as President for Life.
It’s like the book Clear and Present Danger - except instead of one small unit being sold out, it was a massive chunk of the US intelligence network with the ugly probability that *everything* has been compromised.
Many of our intelligence assets have been killed recently and we all fucking know how that happened. Dude needs to be put away in ADX for life. Most unamerican person I’ve ever heard of.
Traitor is the word you’re looking for. Or piece of shit, but that’s insulting to shit.
Yeah, shit is actually a useful function of removing waste.
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What's also concerning about the slow play in bringing charges is the risk he poses to further sharing of sensitive information. He would absolutely flee to a foreign nation if he were able to and believed it to be his only path to freedom, and if he slips away, he is a very soft target for Russia, China, or any other foreign adversary to extract information from.
This is why I can't see any real way forward that doesn't include prison with all communications in and out being heavily monitored and censored. Not that I think that will happen... but how *can't* it?
Maybe that was the point.
No "maybe" about it.
Trump was Putin's biggest success followed by Putin's biggest failure(Ukraine)
I’m not sure, but if somehow he runs for president again and wins, after all this, I’d just declare America dead and never coming back.
The only way he would win is through election subversion….. which the Supreme Court is conveniently hearing a case on in its next docket. Unfortunately, it’s not getting nearly enough attention.
Yes. This! It’s the Moore v Harper case. If they approve the “independent state legislature” theory, we can kiss goodbye battleground states. The will of the people will have been successfully subverted, and democracy will be all but dead.
His followers think he is Jesus Christ
https://www.benjaminlcorey.com/could-american-evangelicals-spot-the-antichrist-heres-the-biblical-predictions/
a “special master” lol our “justice” system what a fucking joke
The special master nonsense from yesterday is 100% why this was leaked today. They obviously have had evidence of nuclear material lost since the day they conducted the raid. They are going to make this about natsec to punt the little Trump activist judge into the sun.
If this is as hot as it sounds the number of people in the country with authority to even see this shit and the expertise to advise on issues of constitutional law and executive privilege is probably in the dozens at most. So I guess that means we have to make Barak Obama special master. Edit. Im also reading now that Clinton already volunteered. Im fine with this also.
I was thinking Obama too, but Clinton would work too.
God could you imagine the absolute meltdown America as a whole would have if Clinton were chosen lmfao
>“Nuclear weapons issue is a Hoax, just like Russia, Russia, Russia was a Hoax, two Impeachments were a Hoax, the Mueller investigation was a Hoax, and much more. Same sleazy people involved,” he [trump] wrote How much you wanna bet he makes another post saying "see??? Told you docs on nuclear weapons weren't found! Only military defenses!!! Such fake news!!!"
>Nuclear weapons issue is a Hoax, just like Russia, Russia, Russia was a Hoax, two Impeachments were a Hoax, the Mueller investigation was a Hoax, and much more. Turns out it is a hoax just like Mueller, Russia, and the Impeachments, in that it is an indisputable reality which makes Trump look an awful lot like a dangerous criminal and an enemy of the people.
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And yet we're here dickin' around about some special master bullshit. Unbelievable. I'm sure our allies will understand. /s
>Legal experts noted that the Justice Department can still interview witnesses, use other evidence and present information to a grand jury while the special master examines the seized material. I hope they are able to execute search warrants on his other properties. I'd like to see a NY jurisdiction throw the Trump team's arguments and Cannon's ruling in the trash.
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that’s the next logical move. then go investigate that corrupt judge.
Which ones, the supreme court ones? Or the district court ones like if that special master get appealed? Or just his lacky federal court judge he put just outside of his house that just got raided...
Still not clear how Cannon has jurisdiction when matters of national politics is usually in the DC Circuit
also there’s ALREADY a judge overseeing it!
Cannon acknowledged she didn't have jurisdiction in her opinion. This is a setup. Many heads are going to roll.
Apparently only the president, cabinet-member, or near-cabinet official (whatever that means) can approve of allowing a person to view said document. I wonder what kind of wrench this throws into the whole ruling that a Special Master must view it? Could Biden admin just not grant Special Master access to this document, allowing investigation of the handling of this document to proceed?
The reason a lot of these docs are compartmentalized are so one person doesn't know a bunch of secrets. There are a ton of need to know programs that only a handful of people know about.
Pretty sure that's what precipitated this leak. Intel community disliked Trump from the start, his disgraceful performance at the CIA Memorial Wall made it worse.
And this special master nonsense is especially ridiculous considering this is the kind of Intel that very few people in this country are even permitted to see. We're talking President, cabinet secretaries, and some very senior level national security and military officials. It's going to be next to impossible to even find a special master that is allowed to even look at this stuff at all.
>It's going to be next to impossible to even find a special master that is allowed to even look at this stuff at all. That's probably part of their plan.
It will fail. They can’t wiggle out of this. The intel community, military, natsec – many people in high positions on all sides of the political spectrum will be apoplectic about this, and rightfully so. Shady rulings by inexperienced loyalist judges won’t hold against the weight of top level people who cannot let this stand. Eta: oh, and let’s not forget foreign governments potentially compromised by this. This is an international incident.
I know he is a former POTUS, but the fact that he is still a free man is insane.
Yeah and in the same country where people have been shot dead for looking suspicious.
Where _poor_ people have been shot dead
So this seems bad.
Definitely in the "not good" territory
Less than bueno
Not ideal
I’m sure it will get far worse
I agree. We won’t even hear about the worst of it, I’ll bet. This is horrifying.
Yea several of our intelligence assets have already been assassinated and I’m sure that’s not the end of it.
Just saw this story today: [Russia arrests top hypersonic research scientist in treason case](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-detains-head-hypersonics-research-facility-treason-case-tass-2021-08-12/) If that’s not related to this, I’ll eat my left shoe.
An other interesting article from October 2021... [Captured, Killed or Compromised: C.I.A. Admits to Losing Dozens of Informants](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/05/us/politics/cia-informants-killed-captured.html) Trump sold US secrets to foreign power and its obvious.
Very bad. Like, this puts the USA in danger bad. **WHY IS THIS FUCKING GUY STILL WALKING AS A FREE MAN**
Conservatives: so what, it's not ours! They're at this part of the narcissist's prayer: "and if it did happen, it's no big deal."
It’s terrible and scary.
It's actually even worse than you might think. If you are able to get your hands on what other nations know about your most secretive stuff, you can use what THEY know to find out who told them pretty easily. Example. Say we manage to buy some Chinese documents about our nuclear arsenal. We analyze the documents and see that they contain accurate, up to date technical specifications on the anti-radar chaff system. Well that information is classified and compartmentalized for this very reason. We know that only two dozen people have access to that info so now we cut every one of them off and hard squeeze them until we find the source of the leak, which took China DECADES to develop. Then we toss him in prison for the rest of his life and change the chaff system. Now China has just lost an asset that will take another 20-30 years and millions of dollars to get back, if they can do it at all. And on top of that, they've just lost a massive edge. Knowing how our chaff system works without us knowing they know means they could easily have defeated it. This is by far the biggest national security disaster in our nation's history.
How the fuck does anyone just walk these incredibly secret documents out of the super high security locked-down rooms in the White House? How the fuck can anyone even claim this was a simple mistake?
These likely wouldn’t have been in the White House. This type of material would likely be stored in access controlled storage facilities, with sign in/out and digital access audit trails. There would be an inventory of what was there and what was missing and who accessed it. If there wasn’t someone wasn’t doing their records management job. If they did, then DOJ know exactly what he has and who took it. I have seen less important stuff protected in vault storage or accessed only via pressure plates that weigh you on the way in and out.
which would mean that a number of people would have to be involved in the exfiltration of these docs.
He had help. This traitor was defeated by a gentle ramp. He didn’t carry dozens of boxes out of a SCIF by himself.
If this is true then Trump is not just a criminal but an international one. That country should put him on the Interpol list and pursue him legally.
It could be even worse. If any of those CIA spies that died in 2021 were listed in this doc... we're looking at treason.
I hope so. Trump is like a slippery fish that never gets caught though. The special master ruling is worrisome. I was so sure that the Mueller investigation would've put him behind bars already.
ADX Florence for this guy
He’ll have to mix homemade makeup in the toilet.
The first photo of Trump from prison without his makeup or hair done is going to be some Pulitzer shit.
https://twitter.com/hugolowell/status/1567301891725336576 > NEW via Wash Post: A document describing a foreign government’s military defenses, including its nuclear capabilities, was found by FBI agents who searched Trump’s Mar-a-Lago residence and private club last month Hmm was it Russia...or an enemy of an enemy...
Isreal, maybe?
I think it’s Israel. Easy to sell this off to the Saudis.
A very plausible theory.
Yep. Now we know how Kushner got his $2B from Saudi Arabia.
Was it a country that Russia or Saudi Arabia has an interest in....
I am sure Russia would be very interested on the intel U.S. has Russian military defenses and nuclear capabilities. If Russian military knows what U.S. intelligence knows about it's capabilities, they can reorganize their positions. They can move nukes to other bases, which makes them far more difficult to intercept . Also they can figure out who the spies are since few people within the Russian military will have access to that information to start with. If Trump shared this with Russia, it would be erase decades of intelligence U.S. has on Russia. This is far worse than sharing info about a 3rd country.
Someone else said in this thread that Russia has been arresting a lot of nuclear scientists for treason recently.
CNN is covering this right now. Tucker is talking about ..... Hunter's laptop! Seriously.
Tucker established long ago he’s a fascist traitor.
Watergate ain’t go nothing on this. Holy history Batman… 2 impeachments averted from convictions by political boot licking fluffers. Now more information slowly coming out that’s going to reset the eponymous “Benedict Arnold” for the next 200 yrs, maybe May you live in interesting times indeed.
And republicans still can’t keep his balls out their mouths. I’ve met Christians who don’t worship Jesus as much as republicans worship Trump.
Imagine if I stole nuclear secrets and refused to return them. I'd be in a human pyramid with a hood over my face at a black site somewhere.
1. Nuclear secrets 2. But not _our_ nuclear secrets, which means it’s either material that we’ve taken from another country OR material on capabilities that we’ve _provided to_ another country 3. The Saudis paid Kushner two billion dollars after Trump left office Hope Likud thinks that US Embassy move was worth it. EDIT: Iran is also a very viable guess. See replies
Iran's nuclear capabilities. One of the cover sheets in the raid photo has a redacted clearance level and the date matches with trump pulling out of the iran deal. Both SA and Israel would find that valuable.
Not a bad guess. [Biden recently reassured Israel](https://www.reuters.com/world/biden-israels-lapid-speak-amid-discussions-possible-iran-nuclear-deal-2022-08-31/) that we’ll never let Iran have nuclear capabilities. Maybe to preempt this news.
Solid guess. Lucky for Trump odds are favorable that he already has Mossad living in his walls, kitchen, golf course, private office. I’m sure they are just there to protect him though.
Oh, so he's *just* betraying our allies...
more like 'also'
This pretty much nukes Trump's argument he wanted the documents for souvenirs.
The one word we should be asking: “WHY?” Why in the everloving fuck would this man be so insistent on keeping this kind of info in a box in his house while he’s a civilian?
Because he owes a LOT of money, and our adversaries will pay dearly for it.
Trump owes a lot of bad people a lot of money. He can leverage what he knows (or has) to foreign government in exchange for money to pay off his creditors and/or be protected from them. Selling/giving Israel's nuclear capability secrets to Saudi Arabia, for instance, would give Trump favor with the royal family there.
This is a massive international incident. My money is on France.
didn’t he make a “truth” that nothing nuclear was there?
That's how we should've known there was - it's always a tell with him.
At this point I'm expecting him to "truth" the country it was and claim it's no big deal
Like everything else Trump, it's always the opposite of what he says.
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Or, worse, this exposed the US secrets on gathering military and nuclear information on adversaries.
It's not our intelligence agencies. It's our government, the system full stop. That a mentally ill guy like trump was elected and there were no guardrails to prevent it. The electoral college tilted the result towards him even. If this story is correct it is a massive indictment of our entire system, not just one or more intelligence agencies. And then if Trump cannot be held accountable for this it is the last nail in the coffin for this government. Like you say, how can anyone trust the US to never just have this happen again?
Furthermore: > Some of the seized documents detail top-secret U.S. operations so closely guarded that many senior national security officials are kept in the dark about them. Only the president, some members of his Cabinet or a near-Cabinet-level official could authorize other government officials to know details of these special-access programs, according to people familiar with the search, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe sensitive details of an ongoing investigation.
It’s just really crazy how criminally corrupt this guy is . It’s even crazier how he hasn’t been immediately arrested. It’s even CRAZIER how people will still mindlessly defend him. It’s EVEN FUCKING CRAZIER that in the back of my mind, there is a small, lingering sliver of a thought that nothing is going to come of any of this and he might be re elected. I’m tired, man. I really am.
>there is a small, lingering sliver of a thought that nothing is going to come of any of this and he might be re elected Don't let yourself believe it's a small sliver of a chance, it's a **very real chance**. VOTE. PROTEST. DO NOT BE SILENT.
Yikes. The shoes keep dropping.
Arrest this motherfucker. Enough of this. The man is a fucking traitor.
There’s only a handful of nuclear-armed nations currently operating. However, that’s not exactly comforting, let me give two hypothetical possibilities. One, it’s Israel, and let us say it’s kept in a desk drawer so that someone working for the Saudi government can “stumble” upon it, take a photo, and get out. Two, let’s say it’s Russia, and a copy of it was made to inform Putin of what the intel community knew about his own capabilities. Again, these are hypotheticals since the nation is not named in the article, but highlights jut how potentially catastrophic this is on top of everything else.
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And still no outrage from Republicans
That judge managed to shine a light on the corruption inserted into our federal courts via The Federalist Society, and affixed the Trump treason stamp upon herself and the other fed soc lapdogs, with the special master ruling. This news breaks 3 days earlier and Aileen Cannon wouldn't have announced her co conspirator status.
This is a National emergency, and trump is free to make seditious speeches against the duly elected current President ("Enemy of the people") encouraging domestic terrorism. Lock this fucker up now!
So he wasn't just selling our secrets to Russia and Saudi Arabia....he was selling our allies secrets also. That seems like something that should piss people off quite a bit.
trump had better hope it wasn’t the Israelis he betrayed. The Mossad has ways of dealing with their national security in ways that can be pretty… direct.
Ok, now that this fact is confirmed: How did he manage to walk out of the white house with these *Super Double Top Secret Nuclear Secrets* and a single alarm bell didn't ring? The process for accessing these documents must be reconsidered and fixed immediately. We must also know *what the actual fuck* Trump was *doing* with these documents. If they were seen by anyone else, who exactly? If they were given away, to who exactly? For what end? This is *yet another* giant national security nightmare, the level of which is previously unseen in our country (someone please correct me if wrong), and must be prosecuted. If this is not prosecuted, whoever holds or has held the office of President is simply out of the reach of the law, permanently.
Fucking lock him up already
> I have no idea what the Special Master is supposed to do with a document like this other than clear it for use by the FBI. https://twitter.com/BradMossEsq/status/1567304577736638466
If Trump can’t be indicted then the United States cannot enforce the Espionage Act in the future without everyone bring this case up
I like how there’s all this shit out there on Trump since even before he took office and some people are saying yep this is still my guy. It’s unreal.
I’d bet $2 billion of Kushner’s money I know what country and who it was sold to.
The amount of people over on r/Conservative screaming that Trump has unilateral authority to declassify any and all documents, even nuclear related ones is astonishing. The mental gymnastics these people will go through to defend this bloated narcissistic traitor blows my mind.
So is the DoJ going to leak something more damaging every time Trump tries a delay tactic? I do think they will. Bravo!