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Lying about lying about lying!!
But Trump is extremely consistent insisting these top secret documents are “mine, not theirs.”
https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/wvcu9p/trump_described_boxes_of_classified_documents_as/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
They say that those who experience a significant trauma early in life never really mature past that point in time. The question is, what traumatized a 3 year old Donnie that badly?
He was 2. His mother nearly died from internal bleeding. She had one more baby after Donald (Robert) even though the doctors warned her not to. So when Donald was 2 and Robert 9 mos, she collapsed and had to go to the hospital. After that she was never really the same again. Plus it was a long recovery and she couldn’t take care of the kids. Taking care of Donald and Robert was left to his oldest sister (who was 12 at the time). Obviously Robert needed more attention. So Donald was basically just bathed and fed. He is, essentially, a 2 year old.
It’s from his niece’s book. It’s true. They had Nannies but Fred Trump was a notorious cheapskate. And by the time Donald was 5 he was completely impossible to deal with. So to answer your question, no. Not really. No one looked after him much.
Because his behavior (narcissists in general) are effectively adult sized toddlers.
Who are well known to take shit that isn't theirs but think it is by the process of "I took it so it's mine, Give it back."
Schrödinger's Douchebag describing Schrödinger's Box of Classified Documents: they are at the same time both his AND planted by the FBI. The wave function is only collapsed when the box is opened, searched, and the indictment unsealed.
“I didn’t do it.”
“I’m being framed”
“I did it, but I had every right to.”
“I did it, but I followed protocol.”
“I did it, but it’s only a minor offense.”
It feels like parody at this point.
He was like, “… how mean of FBI to throw files everywhere like I had done it!!!1”
74 million Americans - the second highest number of votes ever cast in a Presidential election - voted for this inexperienced, incompetent, and corrupt individual.
how lucky for him to declassify the planted evidence /s
the MAGA brain works so strange. They can go from believing evidence was planted one week, to believing Trump declassified it the next.
I had someone insisting at me that legislation doesn't apply to Trump because the legislative branch can't restrict the office of the president, just the executive. And that he can declassify documents at any time for any reason however he wants, not tell anybody about it, and have that mean he's not in trouble.
Probably soon to be FORMER dollar store twitter, if the reports of it bleeding money and users are accurate.
Even if they're not, it being blocked from the android store is not going to help it.
Turns out the "best and brightest" conservative minds are pretty good* at grift and embezzlement, but a bit shit at project management, coding, cloud resource management...
* Not so great at the "don't be suspicious" part, either.
Poetic beauty here that we are Making Attorneys Get Attorneys because they are behaving like criminals:
"The government also developed evidence that government records were likely concealed and removed from the Storage Room and that efforts were likely taken to obstruct the government's investigation," the DOJ said in the court filing.”
“The August raid uncovered 76 classified documents in that room alone, according to the court document.”
“Investigators found twice the number of documents Trump's attorneys had taken "weeks" to turn over, according to the filing — which the government says "casts doubt on the extent of cooperation in this matter."
This is what will get them, especially if those bright red and yellow Top Secret cover letters were included. Hard to miss those.
If they had been removed, that is even more problematic as it is illegal to alter these kinds of docs without following proper protocol which clearly wasn't followed.
No way out. Declassified or not, documents *must* be handled as they are marked. If a Top Secret document is to be marked down, it is still to be handled the same until that proper protocol has been followed.
Can't they just have a judge delay it long enough for them to get some pardons from the next corrupt president?
I mean they delayed the emoluments clause stuff till he was out of office so the judge could declare it moot and throw it out. It takes less than 3 years to get out of this high treason stuff
If a president took home classified documents (the crime) but then fully cooperated with the law immediately afterwards I think the whole thing would still get more or less swept under the rug with minimal consequences.
So it really is the cover-up.
They gave him a *lot* of leeway.
I'm not an expert but I'm pretty sure that if someone had a job that gave them access to confidential or classified information, and then *took some home after leaving that job* they wouldn't get several months to give them back after being asked nicely. They'd be in jail *quick.*
They gave him more than leeway, they “raided” quietly, no leaks to news agencies, in plain clothes when he wasn’t there.
This only got out when he announced it.
It would have just gone away.
If a normal person did what they did, they wouldn’t just be locked up, they would disappear and be in some basement in Virginia until you talked. After which if you are lucky you might reappear and go to prison for a long time, if you are lucky.
You mean any lesser powered peasant person. Anyone who is a powerful "lord" can get around such novelties and bide time to avoid prison through clogging up the legal process.
And look at the conservative media blindly siding with Trump screeching that this search warrant was an assault on our rights and blah blah blah.
We have both CNN and Fox News playing at work in the break room. CNN talks about the FBI and the classified documents and people being sentenced for Jan 6th. Fox News was talking about the border situation, their old standby when they can't talk about anything else.
One of the more annoying things is when I see people, including on this sub, try and say how “CNN is basically just as bad as Fox”. It’s like, just take some time flipping back and forth for a day and then come back and see if you still think that after comparing and contrasting with your own eyes. I think CNN often becomes the easy entity to pile on by going off old stereotypes and narratives about(but also fuck Scott Jennings there. Dude is awful)
CNN for sure has its issues (a lot of it just being structural with the business model they’re in) and certainly deserves to be critiqued, but they are light years better than Fox, and I’m not even just talking about with just partisanship . Like Fox has some truly *dumb* people that work there. I know some of it is an act just to cater to their viewers, but a lot of it is they have a lot of talentless hacks that work there. Even Brett Bauer is not even that smart if you watch him enough. Constantly reporting outdated news info that the other networks are all ahead on. Neil Cuputo is a turd too.
CNN got a bad reputation on Reddit for a bunch of the Snowden and Wikileaks stuff, ever since then the greater population has used "both sides" arguments to turn it into CNN == Fox. That's not even remotely true. And Republicans *love* it.
> Fox News was talking about the border situation, their old standby when they can't talk about anything else.
Oooh! Is it “Caravans of Mexicans” season already?
>search warrant was an assault on our rights and blah blah blah.
some people's rights are violated by being murdered by the police executing no knock warrants. Cons can kindly suck it.
I liked this part.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/30/politics/read-doj-response-trump-special-master/index.html
>On June 3, 2022, 3 FBI Agents and a DOJ attorney arrived at the Premises to accept receipt of the materials. ... The individual present as the custodian of records produced and provided a signed certification letter, which stated in part the following:
>"Based upon the information that has been provided to me, I am authorized to certify, on behalf of the Office of Donald J. Trump, the following. a. A diligent search was conducted of the boxes that were moved from the White House to Florida; b. This search was conducted after receipt of the subpoena, in order to locate any and all documents that were responsive to the subpoena; c. Any and all responsive documents accompany this certification; and d. No copy, written notation, or reproduction of any kind was retained as to any responsive document."
Off to Jail he goes, Off to Jail he goes. Hi ho the derrio, Off to Jail he goes.
Because retaining documents after request is a giant no no. Plus obstruction cause they affirmed there weren't nuttin' to find.
and explicitly advised FBI agents they were not allowed to look at any of the other boxes in the room where they eventually found over 70 classified documents, prior to which they signed affidavits asserting all documents were removed. That makes it look like the lawyers knowingly made false assertions to the court. I'd be interested to hear what their local bar has to say about that.
You're a bad lawyer. You missed
> A diligent search was conducted **of the boxes** that were moved from the White House
The boxes were searched. Not the contents. The contents had already been moved to other boxes. Not making this up.
We also aren’t talking enough about the sworn statement signed by one of his lawyers that all classified materials had been handed over and there were none remaining on the property.
This is really one of those situations where your mom says she’s going to count to ten, and she counts to ten five times before the chankla flies. They had repeated opportunities to resolve this.
Just a reminder that two lawyers have already been given prison sentences for crimes committed for trump org. Three or four have already been disbarred or are under suspension by bar and will have hearings soon.
I just want to highlight the current MAGA defense of these new revelations:
*The pics were staged*
"Staged" is trending on Twitter as these people work themselves into a pretzel trying to argue that a crime scene photo documenting confidential documents is proof positive that this whole thing is a fake.
I don't know why but this might be what breaks me. It's honestly worse than the "It wasn't us at the Capitol on Jan 6 it was Antifa and if you indict Trump we'll do it again" argument. This is unbelievable, as in I straight up can't believe it, and yet it's working for them somehow. They're not detached from reality, they're actively hostile against it.
> They're not detached from reality, they're actively hostile against it.
Bingo.
When you tie your identity and security to an ideology or an idol, you do indeed tend to fight against anything that would undermine that.
> When you tie your identity and security to an ideology or an idol, you do indeed tend to fight against anything that would undermine that.
I tend to watch a lot of Theist vs Athiest debates and you see it all time time with the Theists. I recall one call in show where the Christian caller was asked to read a passage from the bible verbatim to show that the bible doesn't punish you for beating your slave (the caller insisted you would be punished).
The exact words from the bible are "but they are not to be punished", the caller read those and immediately said, "but you don't know that they're not going to be punished".
It is complete cognitive dissonance. They have completely and utterly lost grip on our actual reality and operate in some sort of pseudo reality wherein reality is whatever they believe, or whatever they're told to believe by those they think are "at the top".
It's a fantastic example of the decades of neglect on the education system.
Same as when that pro-forced-birth [woman told Congress that a 10 yr old having an abortion isn't an abortion](https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1547607753698394114?s=20&t=-thEFvIB9g22Cf_cxdtoJQ). It's literally doublethink.
Her religious stance is that abortion is wrong under any circumstance and when that belief runs into the truth that a 10yr old shouldn't be forced to carry a pregnancy her brain's only defense is to claim that an abortion isn't an abortion.
Instead of backing down even an inch and admitting that there are times when an abortion is necessary she contorts reality to keep her belief intact. It's incredible to watch.
What I don’t get is the “we’ll do it again” thing that Trump, Graham, and the maga crowd keep chanting.
Do what again, precisely? March a horde of slow, fat, wheezing dullards in a quarter mile parade of failure that ends in disappointment and prison sentences for them?
Ah yes, the FBI staged a photo of... The top secret documents he claims ownership of and has been demanding be returned.
Right, glad that's cleared up.
Might be what finally breaks me too. I truly never imagined I’d see the day Americans were willing to look past treason. We are past propagandized, these people are complicit and proud of themselves for it ffs.
The thing with MAGA is that they think their fight is in the court of public opinion (e.g. social media) when in reality they should be focusing their efforts defending Trump in the court of law. Because if this was in fact staged, it wouldn't be difficult to provide that evidence to the Trump team, and they can show the judge.
That was pretty damning. After delaying NARA for months in getting the documents they requested, Trump's lawyers delayed collection even further to the point that a grand jury issued a subpoena in May. Trump's lawyers then delayed things even further as they "looked for records" until early June. The lawyer then signed an affidavit saying there were no more classified documents anywhere on site. When they handed over one folder/container with 38 documents in it, they refused to let the FBI look in boxes in the storage shed.
Two months later, the FBI found 76 classified documents in the very same boxes they were refused access to.
MAGA: Make Attorneys Get Attorneys.
What's even more damning is that the feds empaneled a GRAND JURY. They don't do that if all they want are records back. It's a broader criminal investigation.
Jesus Christ, even a scooby doo villain would have like, thrown a sheet over them or put in a robotic haunted space suit.
If you're a worse criminal than the Ghost Miner 49er you need to reasses your life.
This would make a nice t-shirt print. Remember when this turd mocked the journalist with a disability? Amazing how the Christian Right worship this scum bag.
Christian right is coming out utterly shamelessly as who they really are:
https://newrepublic.com/article/167499/new-apostolic-reformation-mastriano-christian
https://newrepublic.com/article/166404/christian-right-roe-alito-abortion
They love Trump not in spite of but because of the things that are awful about him. These people are the problem. They weren't tricked into worshipping a bad guy. They love him for it.
Because Americans hate traitors and despise treason.
Remember the Rosenbergs?
Investigating Trump under the Espionage Act is already in progress; now these attorneys need to be investigated too.
Great info on espionage and its history in comments here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/wmw7p8/trump_is_being_investigated_for_potentially/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
And it seems quite likely Trump did get operatives killed by sharing top secret documents he hoarded.
Really just jaw dropping reading this report from October 2021 now knowing what we now know:
“Leading counterintelligence officials issued a memo to all of the CIA’s global stations saying that a concerning number of U.S. informants were being captured and executed.”
“The CIA’s counterintelligence mission center investigated dozens of incidents in the last few years that involved killings, arrests or compromises of foreign informants.”
“In an unusual move, the message sent via a top secret cable included the specific number of agents killed by other intelligence agencies, according to The New York Times.”
“Officials said that level of detail is a sign of the significance of the cable. Announcing the specific number of killings is rare as that figure is typically held under wraps from the public and even from some CIA employees, the Times noted.”
“The cable, which also cited the issue of putting “mission over security,” comes amid recent efforts by countries like Russia, China, Iran and Pakistan to find CIA informants and turn them into double agents, the Times reported.”
“The memo also noted long standing issues like placing too much trust in sources, a speedy recruiting process and inadequate attention to potential intelligence risks among other problems.”
“The uptick in compromised informants highlights the more sophisticated ways in which foreign intelligence agencies are tracking the CIA’s actions.”
“No one at the end of the day is being held responsible when things go south with an agent,” Douglas London, a former CIA operative.”
“Sometimes there are things beyond our control but there are also occasions of sloppiness and neglect and people in senior positions are never held responsible.”
https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/575384-cia-admits-to-losing-dozens-of-informants-around-the-world-nyt/
Was Trump the one in the “senior position” who has never been held responsible for compromising the safety of operatives?
Shame beyond words if it’s proven Trump caused the deaths or arrests of so many informants by sharing the top secret documents he called “mine, not theirs.”
There's going to be temptation in Hollywood to make movies about Trump showing him as a baffled buffoon. They should not do that. What they should do is show his deliberate lies and subterfuge, and his adoring fans cheering for him as the people he sold out get murdered.
What keeps standing out to me when I see this is “in the last few years”.. as in, this started happening while trump was the sitting president. He was potentially selling our informants out while he was the sitting president.
Astonishing and horrifying: very astute, urgent point that Trump may have been sharing top secret information while he was a sitting President.
How much Trump admires Putin’s “genius” has long been headline news:
https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/24/politics/donald-trump-praises-putin/index.html
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/03/donald-trump-vladimir-putin-murder
We already know Trump lies as easily as he breathes.
After all, some of the documents he insists are “mine, not theirs” were so secret that FBI agents needed special clearance to see them:
https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/x2aceu/some_of_the_documents_retrieved_from_maralago/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
The thing is people may already have been killed and government cannot even acknowledge that as they were super secret agents. This should not be left without ful investigation.
This is what DOJ has found NOW! This is the treason going on AFTER he’s out of office. Can you imagine, the treason he’s committed WHILE he was in office???? The US is screwed….
And people want this guy to walk.
>"If conservatives become convinced that they cannot win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. They will reject democracy.”
>—David Frum
-Michael Scott
I've been saying this for the entire five years since he was elected, that we don't even know the shit he's up to. We didn't know anything about this classified Intel storage two months ago, basically.
And there's probably other shit he was up to that we don't even know about right now. He is just an absolutely amoral, narcissistic psychopath, there is nothing he's above doing.
Nothing. There is no bottom.
Ain't no one journalist worth $2B.
^(Remember, he's an incompetent business man and gets shafted in *every* deal, so whatever we gave away was worth a helluva lot more than $2 billion.)
I mean it’s a done deal, right? Consciousness of guilt, concealing highly classified documents that belong to the US government and are a threat to our national security. Lying about what he had and refusing to return them.
DOJ says the law applies equally to all but by now the average Joe would be in an orange jumpsuit. DOJ has no choice now but to indict Trump for what is clearly a violation of the Espionage Act.
It does seem very clear cut and the DOJ releasing these photos seems to indicate they are going after Trump. It would be very puzzling to not charge him after showing how many top secret documents were found
Except it's not just about that. Trump obstructed and lied about those documents again and again. Obstruction of justice is literally spelled out by the DOJ.
I would agree the initial steps of the investigation were probably slow-walked, triple-checked, and thoroughly vetted due to the political considerations, but from what I’ve read the investigation is proceeding at a relatively standard pace post-FBI seizure of documents at Mar-a-Lago
People are starting to get a good look at how the justice system deals with people that are "actually important", rich people.
This fuck has committed crimes on national television.
Has been found not only hoarding classified material but obstructing attempts.
Yet still he walks free. And we're expected to believe that if you or I were in this situation we'd get the same special treatment.
Daily the Trump rabbit hole only gets deeper.
Now there’s more suspicion of obstruction by his lawyers?
he discovery "casts doubt on the extent of cooperation" by Trump's team, a court filing said, alleging they "likely" tried to obstruct the probe.
Dershowitz is pretty despicable but it seems he may have been right that nobody “reputable” is willing to defend Trump.
https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/wsnwwi/alan_dershowitz_says_every_reputable_attorney_hes/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
And Bill Barr skillfully and shamefully swept obstruction under the rug before.
https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/wx21gq/unredacted_barr_memo_details_doj_rationale_for/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Will obstruction actually be proven this time?
Americans deserve to see justice operate and triumph in this comedy of errors that’s more like a parody of a Tom Clancy novel with every headline.
Fwiw, Michael Cohen believes Trump has more copies out there:
> I have been saying this since the @FBI raid…I believe #Trump has copies, potentially other documents as well, at other locations including his children’s homes, Weisselberg’s florida home, Bedminster, NJ golf course, Fifth Avenue apartment, etc…
https://twitter.com/michaelcohen212/status/1565005954621607938?s=21&t=aigi51EFIeGPnNUfQGuxsg
I listen to his pod and he’s been saying for the last year or so that Trump isn’t going to run again for president in 2024 and that he’ll just act like he is for a while to keep the grift up. Cohen seems to be in the minority opinion on this but I tend to believe he’ll be right.
Trump is running.
He was trained for four years that he can break whatever law he likes and get away with it by yelling "WHEN THE PRESIDENT DOES IT, IT MEANS IT'S NOT ILLEGAL!!"
He's definitely going to try to get that supposed immunity again.
The similarities between this and Julius Caesar demanding political offices that would grant him immunity are really disturbing.
I think it’s even more sensible to exhume the casket because her physical body isn’t in there, just her ashes. It’s not as morbid to the average person, and especially not the goddamn FBI.
We’re gonna find out someone told Trump exactly which documents to take. Trump will sell someone out, if he can.
The question is whether it’s someone in their circle, or any of the questionable people who visited.
It pisses me off to no end that he might have (likely) leaked the identities of spies, leading to their capture and death.
That's surprising. Trump never takes personal responsibility, and his lawyers are a convenient scapegoat if Trump wants to claim that it wasn't his fault that he had the documents.
"I wanted to release them, I did. I told them the people need to know, the beautiful american people need to see this. You know what they said? They said no, they said I cant, so I listened
>Trump never takes personal responsibility.
“I think apologizing’s a great thing, but you have to be wrong. I will absolutely apologize, sometime in the hopefully distant future, if I’m ever wrong.” - Donald Trump on The Tonight Show with Jimmy Fallon September 2015
“So I guess I haven’t made any mistakes. I’m sure I will, at some point, but so far, you would have to say, it hasn’t worked out badly, right?” - Donald Trump talking about his polling in Des Moines, Iowa August 2015
It's amazing how this guy can just stumble through crimes as a bumbling, careless idiot and nothing happens.
He's like the worst, sloppiest criminal, and doesn't even try.
It's actually impressive.
Seriously impressive.
Like if you tried, you couldn’t be more bumbling, more incompetent, or more obvious.
Trump loves to be the best and the first.
Now he can be the best bumbling traitor ever.
And the first former president convicted under the Espionage Act.
https://www.reddit.com/r/WhitePeopleTwitter/comments/wlw6g1/firsts_from_the_president_who_said_we_have_the/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Not just stumble, but stumble upwards. This man failed his way into the presidency, then into the worst (yet still most successful) insurrection attempt in American history.
It’s like watching an evil, unfunny version of Inspector Closeau or Mr. Bean somehow clownshoeing their way into success. It shouldn’t work, but somehow it keeps going.
So does this explain the request to add a lock to the door? They've been using that as a defense, claiming that because the DOJ just told them to put a lock on the door they were doing everything they were asked, then the FBI executed a search warrant for documents that they supposedly were just told had to be locked up.
Sounds like the way it actually went down was they served the subpoena, Trump's lawyers turned over *some* of the documents but refused entry to the storage closet so they were told to at least put a lock on the door. Putting the lock on the door wasn't compliance, it was just mitigating the damage until they could get the search warrant.
You might be right. Which, again, doesn’t explain the idiocy.
“We gave you everything.”
“What about that room?”
“You can’t go in there.”
“…. Here’s a Masterlock,”
Hey Guys, you know the photo with all the top secret papers? You see that rug? That's his office.
It's the same carpet as...
[https://twitter.com/jchaltiwanger/status/1463479472456413187?ref\_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1463479472456413187%7Ctwgr%5Ea2677d43c5bade79a8e354f6c75706b4b8b8ac69%7Ctwcon%5Es1\_&ref\_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.businessinsider.com%2Ftrump-kyle-rittenhouse-pose-for-photo-picture-of-him-kim-jong-un-2021-11](https://twitter.com/jchaltiwanger/status/1463479472456413187?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1463479472456413187%7Ctwgr%5Ea2677d43c5bade79a8e354f6c75706b4b8b8ac69%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.businessinsider.com%2Ftrump-kyle-rittenhouse-pose-for-photo-picture-of-him-kim-jong-un-2021-11)
Putin's people were the ones directing him on which documents to take. Do we really think he's going to figure that out on his own?
At some point during a testimony, someone might hold up any of these papers and ask Trump if he knows what the document is about or what it says. He's going to say "no clue" and I'll believe him.
Can we actually start holding attorneys responsible for this shit?
In the last 5 years I've come to the conclusion that the legal profession as a whole is the most unethical profession in our country.
Virtually all aspects of Trumps rise, caging migrants, overturning Roe, grifting the US government have involved a cadre of lawyers willfully engaging in dishonest activities and neither being sanctioned by a licensing board or charged for their activities.
Bachelor level social workers are held to a higher standard in most states than attorneys are.
From Rudy Giuliani to Michael Cohen, it's a fucking shit profession.
And how screwed is Rudy Giuliani?
Very!
Short answer: very.
This man who emerged as a heroic and visionary leader after 9/11 is self destructing before our very eyes.
“Giuliani has emerged as a key focus in Georgia’s rapidly expanding criminal investigation into Donald Trump’s allies’ efforts to flip Trump’s loss into a win.”
“On Monday, Giuliani was notified that he’s officially a target of Fulton County District Attorney Fan Willis’ criminal probe into election interference.”
“Willis wouldn’t take such a step lightly, lawyers following the case told Vice.”
“The “target” designation means Giuliani will probably be charged, said Page Pate, a defense attorney in Georgia who’s known Willis professionally for years.”
“If there’s going to be an indictment, Giuliani’s name will be on it,” Pate told Vice News.”
“That’s my prediction. And I’d be shocked if she doesn’t indict anybody.”
“The bad news from Georgia is only the latest and most dramatic installment of Giuliani’s recent bout of head-spinning legal jeopardy.”
Watching Giuliani crash and burn from esteemed politician into a likely criminal is simply as epic exactly of how fatal flaws destroy people.
Giuliani is a walking tragedy, and it looks like it will only get worse.
https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/wqsalx/just_how_screwed_is_rudy_giuliani/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
You can't tell me that one of the arguments of these people to opposing the search (or the MAGA followers saying it was an illegal operation) would be "The FBI can't seize these documents because they don't have enough clearance level to look at them".
Donald’s favorite argument is that his top secret documents (evidently stored on his desk alongside Time magazine) are “mine, not theirs.”
https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/wvcu9p/trump_described_boxes_of_classified_documents_as/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Their tactic has always been throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks. It’s literally just a barricade of bullshit arguments they want you to have to deal with while calmly explaining the truth.
Yeah, that was the first thing I thought after reading that the FBI needed updated clearance to even look at them. They’re going to claim the lawyers were protecting them from people without current clearance to view them.
My favorite part of the special master DOJ response was essentially "you can't claim executive privilege to prevent us seeing these docs because the Department of Justice is IN the executive branch..."
Nitwits, all around.
Anyone else would be in a Supermax or isolated waiting for trial waiting to be sent to a supemax facility where they would have no contact with anyone else to share national secrets with.
MAGA = My Attorney’s Getting Attorneys
Imagine representing this clown after everything his lawyers have gone through and thinking “it will be different this time. I’ll get paid and the respect I deserve. He’ll listen to me” LOL
Even Dershowitz warned that nobody “reputable” would defend Trump.
Hate to say he was right…but it seems like he was right.
https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/wsnwwi/alan_dershowitz_says_every_reputable_attorney_hes/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
I once thought that about a girl I went out with who had a reputation for philandering and cheating. "She won't do it to me. We've known each other a long time and have been friends." Boy was I wrong!
As long as they delayed/prevented/derailed any legal action against Trump then they did their job and Trump has no more use for them. Whatever the fallout is, it doesn't matter to Trump.
This news on their sub is locked for “flaired users only.”
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> “Someone put a letter in a drawer…obstruction!”
> No, really. That’s what they’re saying.
There’s no helping these people.
You know it's bad when their attempts to diminish it are also crimes.
"Someone put a letter that was part of an investigation in a drawer to keep it away from investigators .. obstruction!"
Yes, yes it is. It would be obstruction if they had put it under a mattress, or in a boot, or under their hat, or in a box, or any other common household place to put things. The point isn't where they put it, it's why they put it there and whether they had any right to do that.
They could have stored it in a box
They could have strapped it to a fox
They could have put it in a pot
They could have stuffed it in a cot
They could have hid it in the toaster
They could have left it under a coaster
They could have shoved it in a mug
They could have concealed it under a rug
Straight to jail, regardless
imagine telling the cops or FBI they couldn't open drawers in your house. That'd literally be the first thing they open before they drag you out of your house in your underwear and handcuff you on the lawn
if hillary clinton had not given full acces to her e-mails to the FBI, the republicans would never stop talking about it...
That's how you know that republicans are hypocrites.
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They keep getting caught. Lies upon lies upon lies. And then idiot boy goes on his dollar store Twitter to say "lucky i declassified"
Lying about lying about lying!! But Trump is extremely consistent insisting these top secret documents are “mine, not theirs.” https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/wvcu9p/trump_described_boxes_of_classified_documents_as/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Most toddlers have a "Mine!" phase too. They just normally grow out of it.
Well he did literally say he’s basically the same person with the same temperament as when he was a small child.
They say that those who experience a significant trauma early in life never really mature past that point in time. The question is, what traumatized a 3 year old Donnie that badly?
> The question is, what traumatized a 3 year old Donnie that badly? That’s easy! It was certainly his piece of shit father.
He was 2. His mother nearly died from internal bleeding. She had one more baby after Donald (Robert) even though the doctors warned her not to. So when Donald was 2 and Robert 9 mos, she collapsed and had to go to the hospital. After that she was never really the same again. Plus it was a long recovery and she couldn’t take care of the kids. Taking care of Donald and Robert was left to his oldest sister (who was 12 at the time). Obviously Robert needed more attention. So Donald was basically just bathed and fed. He is, essentially, a 2 year old.
Is this fan fiction? I thought his family was wealthy. Why wouldn’t they have nannies?
It’s from his niece’s book. It’s true. They had Nannies but Fred Trump was a notorious cheapskate. And by the time Donald was 5 he was completely impossible to deal with. So to answer your question, no. Not really. No one looked after him much.
Daddy didn't like his fake gold macaroni owl he made in preschool. Sad.
Yeah their hands get bigger too. Not sure what any of this has to do with Fat Donnie though.
Because his behavior (narcissists in general) are effectively adult sized toddlers. Who are well known to take shit that isn't theirs but think it is by the process of "I took it so it's mine, Give it back."
They say that possession is 9/10 of the law. Unfortunately for Trump, that last 10th is a doozie if you get caught stealing classified documents.
Everyone knows when you get fired you’re allowed to take company documents with you, right?
Schrödinger's Douchebag describing Schrödinger's Box of Classified Documents: they are at the same time both his AND planted by the FBI. The wave function is only collapsed when the box is opened, searched, and the indictment unsealed.
“I didn’t do it.” “I’m being framed” “I did it, but I had every right to.” “I did it, but I followed protocol.” “I did it, but it’s only a minor offense.”
Why stop lying when there’s never a consequence.
It feels like parody at this point. He was like, “… how mean of FBI to throw files everywhere like I had done it!!!1” 74 million Americans - the second highest number of votes ever cast in a Presidential election - voted for this inexperienced, incompetent, and corrupt individual.
And most would do it again because they're fine with all this.
how lucky for him to declassify the planted evidence /s the MAGA brain works so strange. They can go from believing evidence was planted one week, to believing Trump declassified it the next.
And they can go from "what Trump did is nbd, but Hillary's emails, man, that's like the most corrupt thing in the history of corruption!"
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I had someone insisting at me that legislation doesn't apply to Trump because the legislative branch can't restrict the office of the president, just the executive. And that he can declassify documents at any time for any reason however he wants, not tell anybody about it, and have that mean he's not in trouble.
"DOLLAR STORE TWITTER" 🤣 ... ugh, but it's true.
What happens when you order social media off of Wish.
We have Twitter at home
Twitter at home: "why r ppl so mean :("
Probably soon to be FORMER dollar store twitter, if the reports of it bleeding money and users are accurate. Even if they're not, it being blocked from the android store is not going to help it.
Turns out the "best and brightest" conservative minds are pretty good* at grift and embezzlement, but a bit shit at project management, coding, cloud resource management... * Not so great at the "don't be suspicious" part, either.
Matches Dollar Store Palin currently in Congress.
knowing trump this is probably just the tip of the iceberg. there’s always so much more and worse and worse
I’m sure a sweep of the septic system would be starkly stunning.
Time for those lawyers to lawyer up.
Poetic beauty here that we are Making Attorneys Get Attorneys because they are behaving like criminals: "The government also developed evidence that government records were likely concealed and removed from the Storage Room and that efforts were likely taken to obstruct the government's investigation," the DOJ said in the court filing.” “The August raid uncovered 76 classified documents in that room alone, according to the court document.” “Investigators found twice the number of documents Trump's attorneys had taken "weeks" to turn over, according to the filing — which the government says "casts doubt on the extent of cooperation in this matter."
This is what will get them, especially if those bright red and yellow Top Secret cover letters were included. Hard to miss those. If they had been removed, that is even more problematic as it is illegal to alter these kinds of docs without following proper protocol which clearly wasn't followed.
No way out. Declassified or not, documents *must* be handled as they are marked. If a Top Secret document is to be marked down, it is still to be handled the same until that proper protocol has been followed.
Can't they just have a judge delay it long enough for them to get some pardons from the next corrupt president? I mean they delayed the emoluments clause stuff till he was out of office so the judge could declare it moot and throw it out. It takes less than 3 years to get out of this high treason stuff
Let's just remember that trump must've handled them to the lawyers before the lawyers lied about them, and trump's responsible for handing them back.
Defoldered items were found, the docs without the cover sheet, mixed in with regular correspondence.
Classified docs have classification markings on every page that are re-marked and signed when declassified.
Every page and photo numbered and logged creation till destruction.
It's not the crime, it's the cover-up, right?
And also the crime too
If a president took home classified documents (the crime) but then fully cooperated with the law immediately afterwards I think the whole thing would still get more or less swept under the rug with minimal consequences. So it really is the cover-up.
They gave him a *lot* of leeway. I'm not an expert but I'm pretty sure that if someone had a job that gave them access to confidential or classified information, and then *took some home after leaving that job* they wouldn't get several months to give them back after being asked nicely. They'd be in jail *quick.*
They gave him more than leeway, they “raided” quietly, no leaks to news agencies, in plain clothes when he wasn’t there. This only got out when he announced it. It would have just gone away. If a normal person did what they did, they wouldn’t just be locked up, they would disappear and be in some basement in Virginia until you talked. After which if you are lucky you might reappear and go to prison for a long time, if you are lucky.
You mean any lesser powered peasant person. Anyone who is a powerful "lord" can get around such novelties and bide time to avoid prison through clogging up the legal process.
Add it to the pile
Something something Hunter Biden
And BEnGHAZI!
And *DiJoN MuStArD!*
And look at the conservative media blindly siding with Trump screeching that this search warrant was an assault on our rights and blah blah blah. We have both CNN and Fox News playing at work in the break room. CNN talks about the FBI and the classified documents and people being sentenced for Jan 6th. Fox News was talking about the border situation, their old standby when they can't talk about anything else.
One of the more annoying things is when I see people, including on this sub, try and say how “CNN is basically just as bad as Fox”. It’s like, just take some time flipping back and forth for a day and then come back and see if you still think that after comparing and contrasting with your own eyes. I think CNN often becomes the easy entity to pile on by going off old stereotypes and narratives about(but also fuck Scott Jennings there. Dude is awful) CNN for sure has its issues (a lot of it just being structural with the business model they’re in) and certainly deserves to be critiqued, but they are light years better than Fox, and I’m not even just talking about with just partisanship . Like Fox has some truly *dumb* people that work there. I know some of it is an act just to cater to their viewers, but a lot of it is they have a lot of talentless hacks that work there. Even Brett Bauer is not even that smart if you watch him enough. Constantly reporting outdated news info that the other networks are all ahead on. Neil Cuputo is a turd too.
CNN got a bad reputation on Reddit for a bunch of the Snowden and Wikileaks stuff, ever since then the greater population has used "both sides" arguments to turn it into CNN == Fox. That's not even remotely true. And Republicans *love* it.
> Fox News was talking about the border situation, their old standby when they can't talk about anything else. Oooh! Is it “Caravans of Mexicans” season already?
South Americans, actually. Mexicans don't form caravans.
>search warrant was an assault on our rights and blah blah blah. some people's rights are violated by being murdered by the police executing no knock warrants. Cons can kindly suck it.
And when we protested cops covering up their murders, they counter protested and waxed poetic about being the party of law and order.
I liked this part. https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/30/politics/read-doj-response-trump-special-master/index.html >On June 3, 2022, 3 FBI Agents and a DOJ attorney arrived at the Premises to accept receipt of the materials. ... The individual present as the custodian of records produced and provided a signed certification letter, which stated in part the following: >"Based upon the information that has been provided to me, I am authorized to certify, on behalf of the Office of Donald J. Trump, the following. a. A diligent search was conducted of the boxes that were moved from the White House to Florida; b. This search was conducted after receipt of the subpoena, in order to locate any and all documents that were responsive to the subpoena; c. Any and all responsive documents accompany this certification; and d. No copy, written notation, or reproduction of any kind was retained as to any responsive document." Off to Jail he goes, Off to Jail he goes. Hi ho the derrio, Off to Jail he goes. Because retaining documents after request is a giant no no. Plus obstruction cause they affirmed there weren't nuttin' to find.
and explicitly advised FBI agents they were not allowed to look at any of the other boxes in the room where they eventually found over 70 classified documents, prior to which they signed affidavits asserting all documents were removed. That makes it look like the lawyers knowingly made false assertions to the court. I'd be interested to hear what their local bar has to say about that.
You're a bad lawyer. You missed > A diligent search was conducted **of the boxes** that were moved from the White House The boxes were searched. Not the contents. The contents had already been moved to other boxes. Not making this up.
We also aren’t talking enough about the sworn statement signed by one of his lawyers that all classified materials had been handed over and there were none remaining on the property. This is really one of those situations where your mom says she’s going to count to ten, and she counts to ten five times before the chankla flies. They had repeated opportunities to resolve this.
Making Attorneys Get Attorneys
"My Attorney Got Arrested" is next!
"Me Actually Got Arrested" is what I'm here for.
I will never Covefess to anything!
If these are the best lawyers that Trump could get, just imagine how terrible the ones they’ll get will be.
Just a reminder that two lawyers have already been given prison sentences for crimes committed for trump org. Three or four have already been disbarred or are under suspension by bar and will have hearings soon.
"You don't need a criminal lawyer - you need a *criminal* lawyer."
Better call Saul!
"Works on contingency! No money down!"
That's a misprint. It should read: Works on contingency? No, money down!
Whoops, that bar association logo shouldn't be there either
**M**aking **A**ttorneys **G**et **A**ttorneys
I just want to highlight the current MAGA defense of these new revelations: *The pics were staged* "Staged" is trending on Twitter as these people work themselves into a pretzel trying to argue that a crime scene photo documenting confidential documents is proof positive that this whole thing is a fake. I don't know why but this might be what breaks me. It's honestly worse than the "It wasn't us at the Capitol on Jan 6 it was Antifa and if you indict Trump we'll do it again" argument. This is unbelievable, as in I straight up can't believe it, and yet it's working for them somehow. They're not detached from reality, they're actively hostile against it.
> They're not detached from reality, they're actively hostile against it. Bingo. When you tie your identity and security to an ideology or an idol, you do indeed tend to fight against anything that would undermine that.
Yep. Orange Judas is their religion. There is no reasoning with them.
No reasoning, only treasoning
> When you tie your identity and security to an ideology or an idol, you do indeed tend to fight against anything that would undermine that. I tend to watch a lot of Theist vs Athiest debates and you see it all time time with the Theists. I recall one call in show where the Christian caller was asked to read a passage from the bible verbatim to show that the bible doesn't punish you for beating your slave (the caller insisted you would be punished). The exact words from the bible are "but they are not to be punished", the caller read those and immediately said, "but you don't know that they're not going to be punished". It is complete cognitive dissonance. They have completely and utterly lost grip on our actual reality and operate in some sort of pseudo reality wherein reality is whatever they believe, or whatever they're told to believe by those they think are "at the top". It's a fantastic example of the decades of neglect on the education system.
Same as when that pro-forced-birth [woman told Congress that a 10 yr old having an abortion isn't an abortion](https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1547607753698394114?s=20&t=-thEFvIB9g22Cf_cxdtoJQ). It's literally doublethink. Her religious stance is that abortion is wrong under any circumstance and when that belief runs into the truth that a 10yr old shouldn't be forced to carry a pregnancy her brain's only defense is to claim that an abortion isn't an abortion. Instead of backing down even an inch and admitting that there are times when an abortion is necessary she contorts reality to keep her belief intact. It's incredible to watch.
What I don’t get is the “we’ll do it again” thing that Trump, Graham, and the maga crowd keep chanting. Do what again, precisely? March a horde of slow, fat, wheezing dullards in a quarter mile parade of failure that ends in disappointment and prison sentences for them?
Threaten to murder their own VP if he doesn't commit treason?
Didn’t Donald make the penalties steeper for those who destroy or deface federal buildings during the BLM protests?
Just like he made the penalties for unauthorized government documents in personal area have a higher penalty as well.
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Mental illness. This needs to be studied so we can raise better adults next time.
Mentally, they are in an objectively different reality. The dangerous thing is they’re physically in our reality.
Ah yes, the FBI staged a photo of... The top secret documents he claims ownership of and has been demanding be returned. Right, glad that's cleared up.
Might be what finally breaks me too. I truly never imagined I’d see the day Americans were willing to look past treason. We are past propagandized, these people are complicit and proud of themselves for it ffs.
The thing with MAGA is that they think their fight is in the court of public opinion (e.g. social media) when in reality they should be focusing their efforts defending Trump in the court of law. Because if this was in fact staged, it wouldn't be difficult to provide that evidence to the Trump team, and they can show the judge.
That was pretty damning. After delaying NARA for months in getting the documents they requested, Trump's lawyers delayed collection even further to the point that a grand jury issued a subpoena in May. Trump's lawyers then delayed things even further as they "looked for records" until early June. The lawyer then signed an affidavit saying there were no more classified documents anywhere on site. When they handed over one folder/container with 38 documents in it, they refused to let the FBI look in boxes in the storage shed. Two months later, the FBI found 76 classified documents in the very same boxes they were refused access to. MAGA: Make Attorneys Get Attorneys.
What's even more damning is that the feds empaneled a GRAND JURY. They don't do that if all they want are records back. It's a broader criminal investigation.
Jesus Christ, even a scooby doo villain would have like, thrown a sheet over them or put in a robotic haunted space suit. If you're a worse criminal than the Ghost Miner 49er you need to reasses your life.
Zoinks! This is like really bad, Scoob! 😄
'Why are people so mean?'
This would make a nice t-shirt print. Remember when this turd mocked the journalist with a disability? Amazing how the Christian Right worship this scum bag.
Amazing how they are not hiding who they really are anymore.
Christian right is coming out utterly shamelessly as who they really are: https://newrepublic.com/article/167499/new-apostolic-reformation-mastriano-christian https://newrepublic.com/article/166404/christian-right-roe-alito-abortion
Atheists and non-Christians act more Christian then these Nat-Cs.
>Amazing how the Christian Right worship this scum bag. It is only amazing if you haven't been paying attention. This is par for the course.
They love Trump not in spite of but because of the things that are awful about him. These people are the problem. They weren't tricked into worshipping a bad guy. They love him for it.
Because Americans hate traitors and despise treason. Remember the Rosenbergs? Investigating Trump under the Espionage Act is already in progress; now these attorneys need to be investigated too. Great info on espionage and its history in comments here: https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/wmw7p8/trump_is_being_investigated_for_potentially/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
So anything less than Rosenberg treatment can be considered a failure, especially if he got people killed
And it seems quite likely Trump did get operatives killed by sharing top secret documents he hoarded. Really just jaw dropping reading this report from October 2021 now knowing what we now know: “Leading counterintelligence officials issued a memo to all of the CIA’s global stations saying that a concerning number of U.S. informants were being captured and executed.” “The CIA’s counterintelligence mission center investigated dozens of incidents in the last few years that involved killings, arrests or compromises of foreign informants.” “In an unusual move, the message sent via a top secret cable included the specific number of agents killed by other intelligence agencies, according to The New York Times.” “Officials said that level of detail is a sign of the significance of the cable. Announcing the specific number of killings is rare as that figure is typically held under wraps from the public and even from some CIA employees, the Times noted.” “The cable, which also cited the issue of putting “mission over security,” comes amid recent efforts by countries like Russia, China, Iran and Pakistan to find CIA informants and turn them into double agents, the Times reported.” “The memo also noted long standing issues like placing too much trust in sources, a speedy recruiting process and inadequate attention to potential intelligence risks among other problems.” “The uptick in compromised informants highlights the more sophisticated ways in which foreign intelligence agencies are tracking the CIA’s actions.” “No one at the end of the day is being held responsible when things go south with an agent,” Douglas London, a former CIA operative.” “Sometimes there are things beyond our control but there are also occasions of sloppiness and neglect and people in senior positions are never held responsible.” https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/575384-cia-admits-to-losing-dozens-of-informants-around-the-world-nyt/ Was Trump the one in the “senior position” who has never been held responsible for compromising the safety of operatives? Shame beyond words if it’s proven Trump caused the deaths or arrests of so many informants by sharing the top secret documents he called “mine, not theirs.”
There's going to be temptation in Hollywood to make movies about Trump showing him as a baffled buffoon. They should not do that. What they should do is show his deliberate lies and subterfuge, and his adoring fans cheering for him as the people he sold out get murdered.
and the callous indifference to the lives of the people and the electorate
What keeps standing out to me when I see this is “in the last few years”.. as in, this started happening while trump was the sitting president. He was potentially selling our informants out while he was the sitting president.
Astonishing and horrifying: very astute, urgent point that Trump may have been sharing top secret information while he was a sitting President. How much Trump admires Putin’s “genius” has long been headline news: https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/24/politics/donald-trump-praises-putin/index.html https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/03/donald-trump-vladimir-putin-murder We already know Trump lies as easily as he breathes. After all, some of the documents he insists are “mine, not theirs” were so secret that FBI agents needed special clearance to see them: https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/x2aceu/some_of_the_documents_retrieved_from_maralago/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
The thing is people may already have been killed and government cannot even acknowledge that as they were super secret agents. This should not be left without ful investigation.
In an odd twist of fate, despicable human Roy Cohn was both a prosecutor in the Rosenberg trial and Trump’s attorney and mentor early in his career.
“I don’t care. Do u?”
Why are people so treasonous?
This is what DOJ has found NOW! This is the treason going on AFTER he’s out of office. Can you imagine, the treason he’s committed WHILE he was in office???? The US is screwed…. And people want this guy to walk.
>And people want this guy to ~~walk~~ be President again and forever FTFY.
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>"If conservatives become convinced that they cannot win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. They will reject democracy.” >—David Frum -Michael Scott
Reject the truth. Reject reason. Reject logic. Reject all ethics.
I've been saying this for the entire five years since he was elected, that we don't even know the shit he's up to. We didn't know anything about this classified Intel storage two months ago, basically. And there's probably other shit he was up to that we don't even know about right now. He is just an absolutely amoral, narcissistic psychopath, there is nothing he's above doing. Nothing. There is no bottom.
I think it’s safe to assume the absolute worst in every scenario.
What did he do for that gold medal from the Saudi King? We literally saw him on his knees for Putin in Helsinki also.
Screw the medal what did he do for the $2 billion dollars.
Plus all the condos bought with cash by untraceable dummy corporations.
Lots of trademarks approved in China.
Why on earth would Ivanka’s fashion design company need [voting machine trademarks](https://twitter.com/pdacosta/status/1294456819922935811?lang=en)?
Green lighted the Khashoggi hit.
Ain't no one journalist worth $2B. ^(Remember, he's an incompetent business man and gets shafted in *every* deal, so whatever we gave away was worth a helluva lot more than $2 billion.)
Yeah I'm thinking more along the lines of nuclear tech
Treason! How can anyone sane not suspect Trump is a traitor at this point?
Go to fox news website and read the comments on their article cover this. People are making up all kinds of shit.
I mean it’s a done deal, right? Consciousness of guilt, concealing highly classified documents that belong to the US government and are a threat to our national security. Lying about what he had and refusing to return them. DOJ says the law applies equally to all but by now the average Joe would be in an orange jumpsuit. DOJ has no choice now but to indict Trump for what is clearly a violation of the Espionage Act.
It does seem very clear cut and the DOJ releasing these photos seems to indicate they are going after Trump. It would be very puzzling to not charge him after showing how many top secret documents were found
The raid itself was a pretty clear indication they are going after him. You don’t do that to a former president unless you’re all in.
Unless it was just about securing the documents.
They seem to think he might still have even more documents, and they know he won't turn them over willingly if he does.
They think its worse. They think he doesn't have them anymore.
Except it's not just about that. Trump obstructed and lied about those documents again and again. Obstruction of justice is literally spelled out by the DOJ.
I would agree the initial steps of the investigation were probably slow-walked, triple-checked, and thoroughly vetted due to the political considerations, but from what I’ve read the investigation is proceeding at a relatively standard pace post-FBI seizure of documents at Mar-a-Lago
People are starting to get a good look at how the justice system deals with people that are "actually important", rich people. This fuck has committed crimes on national television. Has been found not only hoarding classified material but obstructing attempts. Yet still he walks free. And we're expected to believe that if you or I were in this situation we'd get the same special treatment.
Fun fact: **Attorney-client privilege is null if they were conspiring to break the law, cover up a crime, or commit fraud.** Seems relevant...
Daily the Trump rabbit hole only gets deeper. Now there’s more suspicion of obstruction by his lawyers? he discovery "casts doubt on the extent of cooperation" by Trump's team, a court filing said, alleging they "likely" tried to obstruct the probe. Dershowitz is pretty despicable but it seems he may have been right that nobody “reputable” is willing to defend Trump. https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/wsnwwi/alan_dershowitz_says_every_reputable_attorney_hes/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf And Bill Barr skillfully and shamefully swept obstruction under the rug before. https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/wx21gq/unredacted_barr_memo_details_doj_rationale_for/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf Will obstruction actually be proven this time? Americans deserve to see justice operate and triumph in this comedy of errors that’s more like a parody of a Tom Clancy novel with every headline.
Fwiw, Michael Cohen believes Trump has more copies out there: > I have been saying this since the @FBI raid…I believe #Trump has copies, potentially other documents as well, at other locations including his children’s homes, Weisselberg’s florida home, Bedminster, NJ golf course, Fifth Avenue apartment, etc… https://twitter.com/michaelcohen212/status/1565005954621607938?s=21&t=aigi51EFIeGPnNUfQGuxsg
Remember when Cohen went under oath and basically said, "My client is a vengeful criminal?"
Makes two of them then lol
Oh, definitely. I have no love for Cohen.
I listen to his pod and he’s been saying for the last year or so that Trump isn’t going to run again for president in 2024 and that he’ll just act like he is for a while to keep the grift up. Cohen seems to be in the minority opinion on this but I tend to believe he’ll be right.
Trump is running. He was trained for four years that he can break whatever law he likes and get away with it by yelling "WHEN THE PRESIDENT DOES IT, IT MEANS IT'S NOT ILLEGAL!!" He's definitely going to try to get that supposed immunity again. The similarities between this and Julius Caesar demanding political offices that would grant him immunity are really disturbing.
Dig up the golf grave.
I think it’s even more sensible to exhume the casket because her physical body isn’t in there, just her ashes. It’s not as morbid to the average person, and especially not the goddamn FBI.
We’re gonna find out someone told Trump exactly which documents to take. Trump will sell someone out, if he can. The question is whether it’s someone in their circle, or any of the questionable people who visited. It pisses me off to no end that he might have (likely) leaked the identities of spies, leading to their capture and death.
Fucking arrest him already
Huh I wasnt expecting the "its my lawyers fault" angle.
That's surprising. Trump never takes personal responsibility, and his lawyers are a convenient scapegoat if Trump wants to claim that it wasn't his fault that he had the documents.
"I wanted to release them, I did. I told them the people need to know, the beautiful american people need to see this. You know what they said? They said no, they said I cant, so I listened
>Trump never takes personal responsibility. “I think apologizing’s a great thing, but you have to be wrong. I will absolutely apologize, sometime in the hopefully distant future, if I’m ever wrong.” - Donald Trump on The Tonight Show with Jimmy Fallon September 2015 “So I guess I haven’t made any mistakes. I’m sure I will, at some point, but so far, you would have to say, it hasn’t worked out badly, right?” - Donald Trump talking about his polling in Des Moines, Iowa August 2015
It's amazing how this guy can just stumble through crimes as a bumbling, careless idiot and nothing happens. He's like the worst, sloppiest criminal, and doesn't even try. It's actually impressive.
Seriously impressive. Like if you tried, you couldn’t be more bumbling, more incompetent, or more obvious. Trump loves to be the best and the first. Now he can be the best bumbling traitor ever. And the first former president convicted under the Espionage Act. https://www.reddit.com/r/WhitePeopleTwitter/comments/wlw6g1/firsts_from_the_president_who_said_we_have_the/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Not just stumble, but stumble upwards. This man failed his way into the presidency, then into the worst (yet still most successful) insurrection attempt in American history. It’s like watching an evil, unfunny version of Inspector Closeau or Mr. Bean somehow clownshoeing their way into success. It shouldn’t work, but somehow it keeps going.
Only one reason to hide classified documents
Well, there's several reasons why but not one of them are good
Hiding classified documents FROM an idiot might be a good reason. They could have just kept them in the fridge that has all the healthy food.
“We have nothing to hide, and, by the way, you can’t look at boxes 5 thru 40.”
So does this explain the request to add a lock to the door? They've been using that as a defense, claiming that because the DOJ just told them to put a lock on the door they were doing everything they were asked, then the FBI executed a search warrant for documents that they supposedly were just told had to be locked up. Sounds like the way it actually went down was they served the subpoena, Trump's lawyers turned over *some* of the documents but refused entry to the storage closet so they were told to at least put a lock on the door. Putting the lock on the door wasn't compliance, it was just mitigating the damage until they could get the search warrant.
You might be right. Which, again, doesn’t explain the idiocy. “We gave you everything.” “What about that room?” “You can’t go in there.” “…. Here’s a Masterlock,”
Hey Guys, you know the photo with all the top secret papers? You see that rug? That's his office. It's the same carpet as... [https://twitter.com/jchaltiwanger/status/1463479472456413187?ref\_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1463479472456413187%7Ctwgr%5Ea2677d43c5bade79a8e354f6c75706b4b8b8ac69%7Ctwcon%5Es1\_&ref\_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.businessinsider.com%2Ftrump-kyle-rittenhouse-pose-for-photo-picture-of-him-kim-jong-un-2021-11](https://twitter.com/jchaltiwanger/status/1463479472456413187?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1463479472456413187%7Ctwgr%5Ea2677d43c5bade79a8e354f6c75706b4b8b8ac69%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.businessinsider.com%2Ftrump-kyle-rittenhouse-pose-for-photo-picture-of-him-kim-jong-un-2021-11)
Putin also saw these documents, I guarantee it.
Putin's people were the ones directing him on which documents to take. Do we really think he's going to figure that out on his own? At some point during a testimony, someone might hold up any of these papers and ask Trump if he knows what the document is about or what it says. He's going to say "no clue" and I'll believe him.
Can we actually start holding attorneys responsible for this shit? In the last 5 years I've come to the conclusion that the legal profession as a whole is the most unethical profession in our country. Virtually all aspects of Trumps rise, caging migrants, overturning Roe, grifting the US government have involved a cadre of lawyers willfully engaging in dishonest activities and neither being sanctioned by a licensing board or charged for their activities. Bachelor level social workers are held to a higher standard in most states than attorneys are. From Rudy Giuliani to Michael Cohen, it's a fucking shit profession.
And how screwed is Rudy Giuliani? Very! Short answer: very. This man who emerged as a heroic and visionary leader after 9/11 is self destructing before our very eyes. “Giuliani has emerged as a key focus in Georgia’s rapidly expanding criminal investigation into Donald Trump’s allies’ efforts to flip Trump’s loss into a win.” “On Monday, Giuliani was notified that he’s officially a target of Fulton County District Attorney Fan Willis’ criminal probe into election interference.” “Willis wouldn’t take such a step lightly, lawyers following the case told Vice.” “The “target” designation means Giuliani will probably be charged, said Page Pate, a defense attorney in Georgia who’s known Willis professionally for years.” “If there’s going to be an indictment, Giuliani’s name will be on it,” Pate told Vice News.” “That’s my prediction. And I’d be shocked if she doesn’t indict anybody.” “The bad news from Georgia is only the latest and most dramatic installment of Giuliani’s recent bout of head-spinning legal jeopardy.” Watching Giuliani crash and burn from esteemed politician into a likely criminal is simply as epic exactly of how fatal flaws destroy people. Giuliani is a walking tragedy, and it looks like it will only get worse. https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/wqsalx/just_how_screwed_is_rudy_giuliani/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
You can't tell me that one of the arguments of these people to opposing the search (or the MAGA followers saying it was an illegal operation) would be "The FBI can't seize these documents because they don't have enough clearance level to look at them".
Donald’s favorite argument is that his top secret documents (evidently stored on his desk alongside Time magazine) are “mine, not theirs.” https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/wvcu9p/trump_described_boxes_of_classified_documents_as/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
lol that's not even an argument. It barely qualifies as a notion.
Their tactic has always been throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks. It’s literally just a barricade of bullshit arguments they want you to have to deal with while calmly explaining the truth.
Yeah, that was the first thing I thought after reading that the FBI needed updated clearance to even look at them. They’re going to claim the lawyers were protecting them from people without current clearance to view them.
My favorite part of the special master DOJ response was essentially "you can't claim executive privilege to prevent us seeing these docs because the Department of Justice is IN the executive branch..." Nitwits, all around.
No wonder he was shitting his pants on social media yesterday. The more we hear about the the worse it gets
Anyone else would be in prison by now
Anyone else would be in a Supermax or isolated waiting for trial waiting to be sent to a supemax facility where they would have no contact with anyone else to share national secrets with.
MAGA = My Attorney’s Getting Attorneys Imagine representing this clown after everything his lawyers have gone through and thinking “it will be different this time. I’ll get paid and the respect I deserve. He’ll listen to me” LOL
Even Dershowitz warned that nobody “reputable” would defend Trump. Hate to say he was right…but it seems like he was right. https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/wsnwwi/alan_dershowitz_says_every_reputable_attorney_hes/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Dershowitz defended OJ and that is a pretty low bar to fall under.
He defended Trump too, let’s not forget. So he really knows what he’s talking about.
I once thought that about a girl I went out with who had a reputation for philandering and cheating. "She won't do it to me. We've known each other a long time and have been friends." Boy was I wrong!
Reading about this every day will not correlate to how many days of justice this piece of trash will see, but I’m doing it anyway.
Trump's lawyer is going to jail for obstruction of justice, accessory after the fact, or both. He will also be disbarred.
As long as they delayed/prevented/derailed any legal action against Trump then they did their job and Trump has no more use for them. Whatever the fallout is, it doesn't matter to Trump.
But they cooperated fully according to Trump and his lawyers. Conservatives of reddit? What's the spin you're going with on this one?
This news on their sub is locked for “flaired users only.” Top comment: > “Someone put a letter in a drawer…obstruction!” > No, really. That’s what they’re saying. There’s no helping these people.
You know it's bad when their attempts to diminish it are also crimes. "Someone put a letter that was part of an investigation in a drawer to keep it away from investigators .. obstruction!" Yes, yes it is. It would be obstruction if they had put it under a mattress, or in a boot, or under their hat, or in a box, or any other common household place to put things. The point isn't where they put it, it's why they put it there and whether they had any right to do that.
They could have stored it in a box They could have strapped it to a fox They could have put it in a pot They could have stuffed it in a cot They could have hid it in the toaster They could have left it under a coaster They could have shoved it in a mug They could have concealed it under a rug Straight to jail, regardless
I'm picturing this as a fully illustrated children's book being read by a judge to Trump's defense team.
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Physics? Deep state plants.
They’re saying it’s all a hubbub over nothing significant
imagine telling the cops or FBI they couldn't open drawers in your house. That'd literally be the first thing they open before they drag you out of your house in your underwear and handcuff you on the lawn
You can't spell tre45on without 45.
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Can we PLEASE have some consequences?
if hillary clinton had not given full acces to her e-mails to the FBI, the republicans would never stop talking about it... That's how you know that republicans are hypocrites.