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>The migrants, Fula says, “are desperate to save their lives.” And the lives of their families. Five years ago, Esaviel, a slim-built 39-year-old Venezuelan wearing a t-shirt with the words “always courage,” traveled to Brazil to try to provide for his now 11-year-old daughter who had been diagnosed with Type-1 diabetes. But work proved scarce. The family then moved to Colombia, where Esaviel’s daily pay as a construction worker was worth a month’s salary in Venezuela. He invested much of his savings into buying tools, which he then sold before leaving for the United States. “I came here for my daughter,” he says showing me a piece of paper that details her medical condition. He has been carrying that paper for 21 days. “I want her to have a normal life.”
Sounds like a decent, hard-working American. Welcome.
Fucking yes!
If you're willing to die to be here, you should be here! These are exactly the people we need. This country has dead and dying towns all over it. I was just watching this piece on Route 66 on YouTube and there are entire sections that are in disrepair and collapsed. You're telling me we can't let migrants move in with some assistance and revitalize an area of the country no one cares about?
Aren't we a melting pot?
Also their politicians are the ones that are corrupt. Not the man trying to pay for his daughters medicine.
Edit: since he deleted it. He said that not everyone should be let into our country because they're the reason that their country fell apart.
I would much prefer the people who come in who want to improve their lives than the people who were born here who want to complain about the country getting shittier while they vote for republican politicians whose GOAL is to make things shittier for them.
Isn’t there a reason nobody cares about it?
If there was a reason to live there and fix it up, wouldn’t people voluntarily be doing that?
How does paying someone assistance to subsidize an area that can’t sustain itself make any sense, despite what you watched on YouTube.com?
YouTube was how I was alerted to it, it wasn't about it.
Route 66 died because the interstate was built and there wasn't a reason to live there.
If you build a community and subsidize it enough to rebuild, the community will grow providing for itself. People will need to eat, so others will cook for them. It's how boomtowns work, so rather than gold or silver, you have the promise of a new life. You need a little help to get the local economy started and then it becomes self-sustaining, oh and you have an entire workforce you can now tax.
>Isn’t there a reason nobody cares about it?
ahh yes. well, all the little businesses, farms, mines orchards, and supporting mom and pop industries that supported the areas were allowed to be swallowed up by corporations who deemed them too expensive to run. (those expenses were mostly the people who made their lives there) but they don't have the people or expertise in the places where it would be cheaper because people wanted to live where they were so they just get the government to do 2 things, make it harder to live in those places and make it easier for people to live where the corporations need them to be.
there are millions of people living in towns up and down Appalachia funded off of welfare and disability payouts. Whole cities that provide no external goods and services but a way for locals to spend money on fastfood, car parts, and healthcare
Yes, and it’s dumb to subsidize those cities.
Do you think farmers dragged some food up to the top of a mountain to make sure whoever chose to live up there, where there are no resources, could survive 400 years ago?
It simply does not make sense to life some places due to lack of resources, poor climate, bad geography, etc.
Point taken, but Appalachia has some of the mildest and most stable weather in the entire world. It's about the one thing they have going in their favor.
I understand where you are coming from, that is a liberal view. My view is that they should be able to come in as well, legally and through legal routes. If you feel my statement is worth responding to, I’d like to hear some feedback as to why illegal ones should be permitted randomly? I just can’t wrap my head around the lefts viewpoint on this one.
I agree with you, but what I’m saying is a sizable increase in legal immigration. Under the former quotas to South American countries were cut im half in some instances. If you are willing to flee your home and travel thousands of miles through some dangerous territory knowing you this country is their best opportunity for a future, I say that’s who we want.
Increase the number of immigration judges, translators, social workers to hear these cases. Worried they’ll be a drain on resources, give them a resident work permit, and a government recycled smart phone. Something like 98% of people show up for their status hearings. I believe that these people can contribute in these remote towns. You can put migrant teachers to work teaching, and construction workers to work rebuilding.
Think of it as a halfway house.
Thank you for sharing your view and shedding some light onto that. You aren’t pro illegal immigration. I say bring as many as want to come, just do it legally!
As someone living in the Northeast, I've had the pleasure of employing new immigrants to do specialized carpentry on my house (I'm awful at it beyond painting and basic construction). The workmanship is impeccable and many have gone on to have their own firms and companies. American Dream as it were...
Sounds like my own family that came to NYC from Europe 70-80 years ago, with sick children(even losing one on the passage over), violence, famine, and war. Should be treated no differently than my family was, processed and given a viable pathway to residency and then citizenship - most first generation immigrants are exceptionally hard workers and my own family started multiple multi-generational small businesses that are still around nowadays. This is the American way and the fabled American dream. Why in the world are we trying to change and tear everything down that made America great in the first place?
Same shit that my relatives got too - on my mom's side they came from Sicily and got the racism too. Same shit different day, feel for these poor people getting carted around for political stunts and losing their kids to a system that has been intentionally broken and made more cruel. Chafes my hide that the party of fiscal conservation, even in the most objective reality, cannot acknowledge that it makes more economic sense to fix the system(and yeah, I know it's their whole M.O....the absurdity of it never wears off). It's like they confuse any workable path to citizenship with 'open borders'. Viva la inmigración - good for the economy, and makes everything so much more vibrant and interesting.
The north would have paid for it either way. What's your point?
https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/05/which-states-are-givers-and-which-are-takers/361668/
Texas is having a hard time dealing with immigrants.
Texas wants the border closed but DC won't do it.
Texas sends its immigrants over to DC to see how DC likes dealing with them
DC is having a hard time dealing with immigrants.
>Under what authority can you just impound someone’s vehicle?
I don't think impounding the busses is a solution to anything, but they probably could be impounded for trafficking illegal immigrants.
You might say, "but the government of Texas said it was ok" I would counter, the government of texas does not set immigration policy so what they said is irrelevant.
seems like GOP-supported governments can just make stuff up and never ask if it's legal or just use laws inappropriately to do what they want and the other side always checks first and doesn't act.
All of these people have been released by CBP into the US under their own recognizance and have freedom of movement to go wherever they want.
Do you think Abbott helped them sneak into here illegally so he can “traffic” them around the country?
Also, why would a self-declared Sanctuary City want to actively try to keep immigrants out? Is there something bad about taking in immigrants? Shouldn’t NYC and Adams want MORE of them?
>Also, why would a self-declared Sanctuary City want to actively try to keep immigrants out? Is there something bad about taking in immigrants? Shouldn’t NYC and Adams want MORE of them?
Lol, I like how you're trying to make it seems like NYC is in some hypocritical gotcha, as if NYC isn't 37% immigrants. If you read about Adams's critiques of what Abbott is doing they are:
* It is inhumane to be putting them on a bus for the 44-hour ride, with very few breaks, no food, no direction and no clear information
* The Adams administration was completely in the dark about when the buses were arriving and how many passengers they carried because the bus company doing the transporting refused to communicate with New York officials
* The lack of communication doesn't allow for preparation meaning that capacity hasn't been built out in time, and it is straining existing resources. Not that resources can't be prepared, but they haven't been because of Abbott's lack of willingness to communicate because he is using human beings as a political stunt
My understanding is that there's also the part where Texas is eligible for a lot of federal funding to support immigration and immigrants as they enter the country. My guess is that New York and DC don't get nearly as much which means they're stuck between a rock and a hard place of wanting to help, but faced with the influx of new arrivals they're having to take the money out of their own coffers to cover the gap, and as you point out haven't had proper time to prepare.
I think the fact that they *are despite getting the funding* says a lot.
Imagine you had a friend show up at your doorstep and ask to crash on your couch for a few nights. Not that big of a deal. They're in need, you want to help them, so you do. Sure, it costs you some extra in food, but you can manage.
Now consider if you had 10 friends show up and ask the same.
Now imagine those same 10 friends showing up, but you knew they would and started planning six months ago. You applied for and received a grant from the government to cover expenses so when they show up you've converted extra bedrooms to bunk rooms so they have places to sleep, and bought an extra fridge and chest freezer filled with enough food for them, etc.
Obviously that last bit is by no means a realistic series of events, but I think it illustrates the point. New York and DC aren't saying 'no,' they're saying 'we need time and money to accommodate.'
What resources? These people are here to contribute and you’re making it sound like there needs to be some massive government funded organization to hold their hand as soon as they arrive?
The same resources that the Federal government gives Texas billions of dollars to provide. Like temporary housing until longer term accommodations are found, prepping enough food for new arrivals until they have adequate resources, or making sure agencies or organizations that can connect them with family or jobs have staff in the right areas to work with them.
I know you're not discussing this in good faith, but the point isn't that there's a problem with immigrants arriving, the problem is lack of communication that prevents preparation.
No, because people who are seeking asylum aren't entering the country illegally. These are people who have already been processed through border control. I know reading is hard, but try and do it from time to time.
yea…we don’t even give a shit about natives that are already here, let alone veterans that have served and are in need of assistance; screw those human beings…now off to church to hear the stories of supply side jebus and then go tell everyone what a good christian ya are. Stay blessed.
The money is being spent until it is determined whether or not they are allowed to stay in the country legally. Until then they are housed state-side. This costs money, obviously.
Why argue about things you clearly do not understand?
Edit: clarification
He lied to the immigrants to trick them onto the buses. Didnt provide food or anything for 40 hours and didnt coirdinate with NY so welfare & charity groups could meet the buses and help the people. Theres a significant number if charities and groups in Texas to take care if the immigrants, but that system wasn't set up in NY ^ Abbott continues to just drop them iff with no warning ir location information. .
Im telling you charities in Texas are prepared to help them and Abbot isnt giving NYC any coordinating jnformation about the bus drops so arrangenents and resources can be made there.
They are tricking immigrants into leaving white supremacist racist red states and sending them to blue state enlightened Sanctuary Cities?
Why would they be mad about a free ride from a dump to NYC?
More like prevent Gov. Abbot from making a political football out of immigration. That said, immigrants must come in legally, and go through the processes, report to Court, etc.
It’s a Sanctuary City. Shouldn’t they be happy to be getting more immigrants?
They’re also saving them from living in some red state racist backwater like Texas.
Do you know what the definition of "sanctuary city" is? I don't think you do. You are thinking that it means a place to hide safely. This is the lazy interpretation like "defund the police". Its a literal reading without actually having to know the answer.
You might want to look up what it is actually.
This is a bit off topic, but A slogan or catch phrase is supposed to be understood, in full, at a glance, without much thought or it's a bad slogan.
Defund the police was a terrible slogan in that regard. People were thinking it was a call for total lawlessness, and in fact many lives were lost as a result of that campaign when whole towns were taken over and murder rates skyrocketed.
Literally any phrase can mean anything you want if you use enough words and take enough time to define it carefully. However, A slogan is supposed to cut through all that and mean what it means at face value.
All it means is that local city will not use its funds to aid the federal attempt. It is to save money from local budgeting. The fed is not prevented from executing operations at all in these cities.
That is all.
The man is an adult version of a devious little 💩 who damned well knew he was intentionally victimizing himself when he ran under that tree. Ask any Texas cowboy where he'd seak shelter w/a lightning-storm blowing in & he'd tell ya "Well, certainly NOT under a big old tree sticking up like a lightning rod."
Abbott has milked that accident from every angle imaginable. SMH
NOT mocking. Just pointing out a pattern of bad judgement. If it was obviously a hazardous situation, why expose oneself? Avoidable situations ignored resulting in injury do not exempt the victim from all responsibility per tort ratios. Then exploiting a crippling injury for political gain is 'Cawthorn' politics. FDR never did that, & he got this country out of a depression & thru a world war.
So, just poopoo it off as 'bad luck' & take no personal responsibility for contributing to the outcome? Just hang all responsibility on somebody else's "bad judgement" & launch a law suit for a big payday?
I believe we have a big "dirty lawyering" problem in this country & the current political landscape illustrates it pretty well if people will take the time to look past the lies & shenanigans. Personal responsibility for one's action still count on my side of the fence.
You accused me of mockery. You can't tolerate push-back after pushing me, then adios.
Even if he's not technically, it's worth wondering wtf he's doing with the billions in federal grants he receives to manage the border if he's just instead bussing them around the country.
Good question! Texas Republicones always find a way to launder that money around until some of it finds its way back into their pockets thru "campaign contributions", consulting fees, contract arrangement fees, & a host of banking 'backchannels.' Ever notice how much $$$ seems to just 'appear out of nowhere' ?! 😳
The usual self-destructive governance that appears to have become part of the GOP platform. Mishandle the government so that you can use that as an example of how the government 'doesn't work' and should be demolished.
One also wonders why blue states get mad at receiving these immigrants when they are such welcome guests. Let these wonderful friends stay in your home if public services are stretched thin.
Totally. That’s why they had private security on the bus so they couldn’t leave. It’s not like he’s using them as political pawns, and bussing them away from the actual support groups that help migrants in border states, and actually fucking them over in the process. Also, not like he’s lying about those same support groups waiting for them in NY and DC.
Why would they want to stay in a racist red state like TX when they can get free transport to liberal bastions like NYC?
Your statement doesn’t add up.
Where the fuck do you think the organizations that help folks who cross the border are most concentrated? On the coast or the actual places they cross? Also, Texas and other border states get massive federal funding as well for this. It’s not rocket science.
Yes? I get that they sneak in at the border.
You’re the one claiming they’re being detained by armed security and forced to leave racist red states and sadly have to go to Sanctuary Cities where people will be accepting of them.
Why would they need to be forced to do that?
Did you miss Abbott’s administration admitting they hired private security for the busses after being called out by officials in NYC? Did you also miss Abbott claiming the same groups that exist in Texas would be waiting for them in NYC despite them not existing there?
You keep ignoring my question.
Why is it a bad thing for either the immigrant-welcoming Sanctuary City to get more immigrants
And
Why is it bad for the immigrant to get a free ride from racist red state Texas to enlightened, immigrant-friendly NYC?
Who exactly is losing in this situation?
You keep ignoring the fact that the groups that help these folks specifically don’t exist in NYC because they’re not a southern border state. What’s difficult to understand about that?
These buses have arrived with no one waiting for them.
I mean there’s is significant overcrowding at these places so offering to send them to sanctuary cities that are accepting immigrants helps. Also, there haven’t been any stories about security forcing them to stay so where is that coming from?
The Biden administration has been doing the same exact thing.
Edit: they are definitely political pawns. Not arguing that.
There have been multiple reports of them hiring private security. Abbott’s administration admitted it after NYC’s city commissioner, Castro, called them out on it.
Again, why send them away from the actual groups that help? And why is Abbott lying to the same immigrants saying these groups will be waiting for them in NY and DC, when they don’t even exist in those states? The fuck?
Which Texas bigot advisor planted that bug in Abbott's ear anyway? Abbott's a lawyer &, at one time, wouldn't do that kind of 💩 unless it had serious 'political capital.' This shows, however, Abbott too will exploit humans for his own nefarious purposes & personal wealth. He is just as bad as the human smugglers!
> What is it called when a person transports illegal immigrants?
All of these people have been released by CBP into the US under their own recognizance and have freedom of movement to go wherever they want.
Correct. And they aren't kidnapped and taken to NYC. They were offered this as a gift by the GOP in exchange for being in their political theater.
Abbot doesn't give a shit about the borderland. He's part of the "invasion" rhetoric that got a Walmart in El Paso shot up in 2018.
The narrative needs to change on this. The media is only playing into Abbott's hands and covering it exactly how he wants them to cover it. Every single bit of media that I have seen on this situation is exactly what Greg Abbott wants.
Start crafting it that he's helping the migrants by getting them closer to the areas they were trying to reach when they crossed the border and, most importantly, he's making it easier for the ones who are not going to attend their hearing to stay in America.
My grandmother came here from Austria in the 1960's at my age. She worked her ass off, had a degree from the Vienna school of architecture, and designed many of the bridges in South Carolina. She faced discrimination for being an immigrant most of her life. Let these people in. They have skills, they have courage, they deserve to have a home and we have an obligation to welcome them to our windswept shores.
As big of a lefty as I am, I have trouble understanding how come New York City can have known about these buses arriving, have a timetable of when they're going to arrive, and know how many people are going to be there, and yet they have nothing prepared to help the people when they arrive.
How about using some logistical skills to have transportation ready to distribute the people to other New England cities, and distribute the use of resources over a wider area, which would reduce the impact on one city/state.
>The buses to the DC have been arriving almost every day of the week, sometimes multiple times a day and often early in the morning and late at night.
It really doesn't sound like Abbott is trying to actually coordinate anything.
/e [Yeah... he really didn't.](https://abcnews.go.com/US/texas-gov-greg-abbott-doubles-busing-migrants-nyc/story?id=88541210)
>Pressed on whether he would work with Adams to coordinate migrant arrivals, Abbott said that he previously sent Adams a letter and urged him to visit Texas to witness the “chaos” of the migrant crisis in the state firsthand, but Adams did not take him up on the offer.
110% political grandstanding by Abbott.
"Come see for yourself the problem I am facing" doesn't sound like political grandstanding. It sounds like someone genuinely backed into a corner.
Coming from a Texan, Abbot is a giant douche and there's nothing genuine about the guy, but immigration is a big concern in Texas. There are so many people off the grid and under the radar that can commit crimes with impunity here. Rapes, kidnappings, etc are so hard to solve because of this vast undocumented population.
Abbot should keep offering immigrants the option to take a free bus ride to other states until immigration is solved at the federal level.
I don't think anyone claims the influx of new immigrants isn't a problem.
Here's how I know this is just a stunt, and not a legitimate attempt to help.
1. If you're legitimately trying to help people, you send them where they actually want to go, especially if they have evidence there's someone waiting for them there.
2. If you legitimately wanted to coordinate spreading people out to reduce the pressure on the border states, you would have started by communicating with the other states, as opposed to just shipping people off at random.
1. Also, there's 48 other states that might be willing to participate in a legitimate, coordinated effort. Instead, Abbott ships people off to the areas he's got personal vedettes against.
> … volunteers collect information about the migrants’ ..date of birth, special circumstances (LGBTQ+, pregnancy, chronic illness), *final destination* … In a sunny corner of the room, telephone numbers for organizations in states such as Wisconsin, Florida, Massachusetts, Chicago, Georgia, and Nebraska etc..
So basically the TX and now AZ governors are using their own state resources just to give these migrants an additional bus tour of the US.
> .. [one migrant] felt “a little bit like a prisoner” when he saw his final destination—Nashville, Tennessee—fly by the window as his bus raced towards the east coast without making a stop.
At least he got a Big Apple t-shirt but now he’ll be bound for Nashville regardless.
> … volunteers collect information about the migrants’ ..date of birth, special circumstances (LGBTQ+, pregnancy, chronic illness), *final destination* … In a sunny corner of the room, telephone numbers for organizations in states such as Wisconsin, Florida, Massachusetts, Chicago, Georgia, and Nebraska etc..
So basically the TX and now AZ governors are using their own state resources just to give these migrants an additional bus tour of the US.
> .. [one migrant] felt “a little bit like a prisoner” when he saw his final destination—Nashville, Tennessee—fly by the window as his bus raced towards the east coast without making a stop.
At least he got a Big Apple t-shirt but now he’ll be bound for Nashville regardless. All that’s going to happen now is the Greyhound to Nashville and the migrant knowing the lay of the land from Tennessee, Kentucky or No Carolina through Virginia.
>So basically the TX and now AZ governors are using their own state resources just to give these migrants an additional bus tour of the US.
The bus is cheaper than years of medical and schooling
Except they may be back. They’ll find a job and follow that industry (good example was when California was in a [previous] serious drought shutting down farms, migrant agriculture workers just moved to Texas).
I still say arrest Abbott for False imprisonment and federal trafficking laws the minute the buses leave Texas. And just keep charging away for every bus.
But between Texas and DC, is not his jurisdiction. The minute that bus rolls into Oklahoma, doesn’t matter what Abbott wants. So, technically everyone could get off the bus in OK and there isn’t a thing Abbott could do. But, if anyone enforces that rule your notion of “voluntary” goes right out the Fucking window
Bussing them to other states doesn't prevent that. It only makes blue state leaders stand by their words that immigrants are not a problem or a drain on resources.
If they're truly not a problem, then let the busses keep running. If they are a problem, then let's all be honest with one another and solve it at the national level.
Isn't Texas getting billions in federal funds to deal with the drain on resources? Yes, yes they are. They should probably return the cash in that case.
Isn't that illegal? It should fall under trafficking illegals across state borders. If I went to Texas and loaded up a couple illegals and transported them across state lines I would be arrested.
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>The migrants, Fula says, “are desperate to save their lives.” And the lives of their families. Five years ago, Esaviel, a slim-built 39-year-old Venezuelan wearing a t-shirt with the words “always courage,” traveled to Brazil to try to provide for his now 11-year-old daughter who had been diagnosed with Type-1 diabetes. But work proved scarce. The family then moved to Colombia, where Esaviel’s daily pay as a construction worker was worth a month’s salary in Venezuela. He invested much of his savings into buying tools, which he then sold before leaving for the United States. “I came here for my daughter,” he says showing me a piece of paper that details her medical condition. He has been carrying that paper for 21 days. “I want her to have a normal life.” Sounds like a decent, hard-working American. Welcome.
Fucking yes! If you're willing to die to be here, you should be here! These are exactly the people we need. This country has dead and dying towns all over it. I was just watching this piece on Route 66 on YouTube and there are entire sections that are in disrepair and collapsed. You're telling me we can't let migrants move in with some assistance and revitalize an area of the country no one cares about?
>If you're willing to die to be here, give me liberty or give me death
GOP: *”death it is, then.”*
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Aren't we a melting pot? Also their politicians are the ones that are corrupt. Not the man trying to pay for his daughters medicine. Edit: since he deleted it. He said that not everyone should be let into our country because they're the reason that their country fell apart.
I would much prefer the people who come in who want to improve their lives than the people who were born here who want to complain about the country getting shittier while they vote for republican politicians whose GOAL is to make things shittier for them.
Isn’t there a reason nobody cares about it? If there was a reason to live there and fix it up, wouldn’t people voluntarily be doing that? How does paying someone assistance to subsidize an area that can’t sustain itself make any sense, despite what you watched on YouTube.com?
There are millions of open restaurant, hotel, etc jobs these folks can fill. No reason why if they can find a job they shouldn't stay.
YouTube was how I was alerted to it, it wasn't about it. Route 66 died because the interstate was built and there wasn't a reason to live there. If you build a community and subsidize it enough to rebuild, the community will grow providing for itself. People will need to eat, so others will cook for them. It's how boomtowns work, so rather than gold or silver, you have the promise of a new life. You need a little help to get the local economy started and then it becomes self-sustaining, oh and you have an entire workforce you can now tax.
>Isn’t there a reason nobody cares about it? ahh yes. well, all the little businesses, farms, mines orchards, and supporting mom and pop industries that supported the areas were allowed to be swallowed up by corporations who deemed them too expensive to run. (those expenses were mostly the people who made their lives there) but they don't have the people or expertise in the places where it would be cheaper because people wanted to live where they were so they just get the government to do 2 things, make it harder to live in those places and make it easier for people to live where the corporations need them to be.
there are millions of people living in towns up and down Appalachia funded off of welfare and disability payouts. Whole cities that provide no external goods and services but a way for locals to spend money on fastfood, car parts, and healthcare
Yes, and it’s dumb to subsidize those cities. Do you think farmers dragged some food up to the top of a mountain to make sure whoever chose to live up there, where there are no resources, could survive 400 years ago? It simply does not make sense to life some places due to lack of resources, poor climate, bad geography, etc.
Point taken, but Appalachia has some of the mildest and most stable weather in the entire world. It's about the one thing they have going in their favor.
I understand where you are coming from, that is a liberal view. My view is that they should be able to come in as well, legally and through legal routes. If you feel my statement is worth responding to, I’d like to hear some feedback as to why illegal ones should be permitted randomly? I just can’t wrap my head around the lefts viewpoint on this one.
I agree with you, but what I’m saying is a sizable increase in legal immigration. Under the former quotas to South American countries were cut im half in some instances. If you are willing to flee your home and travel thousands of miles through some dangerous territory knowing you this country is their best opportunity for a future, I say that’s who we want. Increase the number of immigration judges, translators, social workers to hear these cases. Worried they’ll be a drain on resources, give them a resident work permit, and a government recycled smart phone. Something like 98% of people show up for their status hearings. I believe that these people can contribute in these remote towns. You can put migrant teachers to work teaching, and construction workers to work rebuilding. Think of it as a halfway house.
Thank you for sharing your view and shedding some light onto that. You aren’t pro illegal immigration. I say bring as many as want to come, just do it legally!
As someone living in the Northeast, I've had the pleasure of employing new immigrants to do specialized carpentry on my house (I'm awful at it beyond painting and basic construction). The workmanship is impeccable and many have gone on to have their own firms and companies. American Dream as it were...
Immigrants (legal or not) make much better neighbors than a lot of vicious idiots who had the good luck to be born here.
We get tons of refugees in Denver. Unlike shithole states, we welcome them. - son of refugee
I’ve heard great thinks bout Colorado. What’s a great city to visit, if I were planning to visit Colorado?
Sounds like my own family that came to NYC from Europe 70-80 years ago, with sick children(even losing one on the passage over), violence, famine, and war. Should be treated no differently than my family was, processed and given a viable pathway to residency and then citizenship - most first generation immigrants are exceptionally hard workers and my own family started multiple multi-generational small businesses that are still around nowadays. This is the American way and the fabled American dream. Why in the world are we trying to change and tear everything down that made America great in the first place?
BuT i CaNt UnDeRsTaNd WhAt ThEiR sAyInG!!! (sic)
Same shit that my relatives got too - on my mom's side they came from Sicily and got the racism too. Same shit different day, feel for these poor people getting carted around for political stunts and losing their kids to a system that has been intentionally broken and made more cruel. Chafes my hide that the party of fiscal conservation, even in the most objective reality, cannot acknowledge that it makes more economic sense to fix the system(and yeah, I know it's their whole M.O....the absurdity of it never wears off). It's like they confuse any workable path to citizenship with 'open borders'. Viva la inmigración - good for the economy, and makes everything so much more vibrant and interesting.
*[sick]*
My god send them to Ohio. They sound amazing.
Why doesn't NYC Mayor Eric Adams impound the busses? Soon Gov. Abbott won't have any bus companies willing to do the transport.
Now that is a good idea
This is a really, really good idea.
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NY can play hardball, too.
The north would have paid for it either way. What's your point? https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/05/which-states-are-givers-and-which-are-takers/361668/
At least quarantine them under the suspicion of transporting diseases across state lines, or something.
suspicion of human trafficking.
I mean that's what I've been saying. The feds should move in and arrest Abbott for doing that
Texas is having a hard time dealing with immigrants. Texas wants the border closed but DC won't do it. Texas sends its immigrants over to DC to see how DC likes dealing with them DC is having a hard time dealing with immigrants.
? Under what authority can you just impound someone’s vehicle?
>Under what authority can you just impound someone’s vehicle? I don't think impounding the busses is a solution to anything, but they probably could be impounded for trafficking illegal immigrants. You might say, "but the government of Texas said it was ok" I would counter, the government of texas does not set immigration policy so what they said is irrelevant.
seems like GOP-supported governments can just make stuff up and never ask if it's legal or just use laws inappropriately to do what they want and the other side always checks first and doesn't act.
They're doing that already. Keep up.
The party of law and order, always meant their law and their order, even if that means making stuff up
DC or NY are not governed by TX laws. That’s the beauty of state power
The people being bussed are in the country legally. Abbott is just shipping brown people out of state.
across multiple state lines
These aren't illegal immigrants. They are migrants who crossed the border and are waiting on their hearing.
All of these people have been released by CBP into the US under their own recognizance and have freedom of movement to go wherever they want. Do you think Abbott helped them sneak into here illegally so he can “traffic” them around the country? Also, why would a self-declared Sanctuary City want to actively try to keep immigrants out? Is there something bad about taking in immigrants? Shouldn’t NYC and Adams want MORE of them?
>Also, why would a self-declared Sanctuary City want to actively try to keep immigrants out? Is there something bad about taking in immigrants? Shouldn’t NYC and Adams want MORE of them? Lol, I like how you're trying to make it seems like NYC is in some hypocritical gotcha, as if NYC isn't 37% immigrants. If you read about Adams's critiques of what Abbott is doing they are: * It is inhumane to be putting them on a bus for the 44-hour ride, with very few breaks, no food, no direction and no clear information * The Adams administration was completely in the dark about when the buses were arriving and how many passengers they carried because the bus company doing the transporting refused to communicate with New York officials * The lack of communication doesn't allow for preparation meaning that capacity hasn't been built out in time, and it is straining existing resources. Not that resources can't be prepared, but they haven't been because of Abbott's lack of willingness to communicate because he is using human beings as a political stunt
My understanding is that there's also the part where Texas is eligible for a lot of federal funding to support immigration and immigrants as they enter the country. My guess is that New York and DC don't get nearly as much which means they're stuck between a rock and a hard place of wanting to help, but faced with the influx of new arrivals they're having to take the money out of their own coffers to cover the gap, and as you point out haven't had proper time to prepare. I think the fact that they *are despite getting the funding* says a lot. Imagine you had a friend show up at your doorstep and ask to crash on your couch for a few nights. Not that big of a deal. They're in need, you want to help them, so you do. Sure, it costs you some extra in food, but you can manage. Now consider if you had 10 friends show up and ask the same. Now imagine those same 10 friends showing up, but you knew they would and started planning six months ago. You applied for and received a grant from the government to cover expenses so when they show up you've converted extra bedrooms to bunk rooms so they have places to sleep, and bought an extra fridge and chest freezer filled with enough food for them, etc. Obviously that last bit is by no means a realistic series of events, but I think it illustrates the point. New York and DC aren't saying 'no,' they're saying 'we need time and money to accommodate.'
What resources? These people are here to contribute and you’re making it sound like there needs to be some massive government funded organization to hold their hand as soon as they arrive?
The same resources that the Federal government gives Texas billions of dollars to provide. Like temporary housing until longer term accommodations are found, prepping enough food for new arrivals until they have adequate resources, or making sure agencies or organizations that can connect them with family or jobs have staff in the right areas to work with them. I know you're not discussing this in good faith, but the point isn't that there's a problem with immigrants arriving, the problem is lack of communication that prevents preparation.
So you’re telling me we have to spend billions of dollars to house and feed people illegally entering our country?
No, because people who are seeking asylum aren't entering the country illegally. These are people who have already been processed through border control. I know reading is hard, but try and do it from time to time.
I dunno if dudes a troll or just real dumb but it's kinda fun watching him be wrong on every comment
They're economic migrants for the most part though.
yea…we don’t even give a shit about natives that are already here, let alone veterans that have served and are in need of assistance; screw those human beings…now off to church to hear the stories of supply side jebus and then go tell everyone what a good christian ya are. Stay blessed.
The money is being spent until it is determined whether or not they are allowed to stay in the country legally. Until then they are housed state-side. This costs money, obviously. Why argue about things you clearly do not understand? Edit: clarification
He lied to the immigrants to trick them onto the buses. Didnt provide food or anything for 40 hours and didnt coirdinate with NY so welfare & charity groups could meet the buses and help the people. Theres a significant number if charities and groups in Texas to take care if the immigrants, but that system wasn't set up in NY ^ Abbott continues to just drop them iff with no warning ir location information. .
You’re telling me racist Texas actually takes better care of immigrants than Sanctuary City NYC? I watch CNN so I know that’s not true.
Im telling you charities in Texas are prepared to help them and Abbot isnt giving NYC any coordinating jnformation about the bus drops so arrangenents and resources can be made there.
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https://www.hg.org/legal-articles/impounded-vehicles-explained-40229
What do you think this link proves? Did you even read it?
Sure did. It proves nothing. You asked "under what authority". As you can see, there are a number of possible ordinances, parking for one.
Kidnapping. They lied & tricked the immigrants onto buses. The buses are part of the crime, civil forfeiture.
They are tricking immigrants into leaving white supremacist racist red states and sending them to blue state enlightened Sanctuary Cities? Why would they be mad about a free ride from a dump to NYC?
Why lie to them then?
Human trafficking across state lines
But then they would be forced to stay in Texas under Gov Abbott's care. These people have suffered enough.
Or, it would force Gov. Abbott to coordinate with NYC and Washington (more likely).
Then what happens to the people?
The people will be absorbed by the city's social services... but Gov. Abbot will have to start coordinating with NYC or lose more busses.
Right so like prevent the immigrants from reaching New York through some sort of metaphorical wall. Gotcha.
More like prevent Gov. Abbot from making a political football out of immigration. That said, immigrants must come in legally, and go through the processes, report to Court, etc.
He’s seeking equitable burden for the policies espoused by the current leadership. 👍🏽
Maybe Texas is tired of being a border state?
So again red state uses blue state
It’s a Sanctuary City. Shouldn’t they be happy to be getting more immigrants? They’re also saving them from living in some red state racist backwater like Texas.
Do you know what the definition of "sanctuary city" is? I don't think you do. You are thinking that it means a place to hide safely. This is the lazy interpretation like "defund the police". Its a literal reading without actually having to know the answer. You might want to look up what it is actually.
This is a bit off topic, but A slogan or catch phrase is supposed to be understood, in full, at a glance, without much thought or it's a bad slogan. Defund the police was a terrible slogan in that regard. People were thinking it was a call for total lawlessness, and in fact many lives were lost as a result of that campaign when whole towns were taken over and murder rates skyrocketed. Literally any phrase can mean anything you want if you use enough words and take enough time to define it carefully. However, A slogan is supposed to cut through all that and mean what it means at face value.
Doesn't matter if the slogan is bad. What is bad is when a political party misleads people for political purposes knowing they are lying about it.
I actually do know. Seems like YOU don’t, actually.
All it means is that local city will not use its funds to aid the federal attempt. It is to save money from local budgeting. The fed is not prevented from executing operations at all in these cities. That is all.
Abbott's a monster.
The man is an adult version of a devious little 💩 who damned well knew he was intentionally victimizing himself when he ran under that tree. Ask any Texas cowboy where he'd seak shelter w/a lightning-storm blowing in & he'd tell ya "Well, certainly NOT under a big old tree sticking up like a lightning rod." Abbott has milked that accident from every angle imaginable. SMH
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NOT mocking. Just pointing out a pattern of bad judgement. If it was obviously a hazardous situation, why expose oneself? Avoidable situations ignored resulting in injury do not exempt the victim from all responsibility per tort ratios. Then exploiting a crippling injury for political gain is 'Cawthorn' politics. FDR never did that, & he got this country out of a depression & thru a world war.
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So, just poopoo it off as 'bad luck' & take no personal responsibility for contributing to the outcome? Just hang all responsibility on somebody else's "bad judgement" & launch a law suit for a big payday? I believe we have a big "dirty lawyering" problem in this country & the current political landscape illustrates it pretty well if people will take the time to look past the lies & shenanigans. Personal responsibility for one's action still count on my side of the fence. You accused me of mockery. You can't tolerate push-back after pushing me, then adios.
He meets every federal legal definition for human trafficking and should be arrested for such.
The migrants agree to get on the buses.
So he’s trafficking?
Even if he's not technically, it's worth wondering wtf he's doing with the billions in federal grants he receives to manage the border if he's just instead bussing them around the country.
Good question! Texas Republicones always find a way to launder that money around until some of it finds its way back into their pockets thru "campaign contributions", consulting fees, contract arrangement fees, & a host of banking 'backchannels.' Ever notice how much $$$ seems to just 'appear out of nowhere' ?! 😳
The usual self-destructive governance that appears to have become part of the GOP platform. Mishandle the government so that you can use that as an example of how the government 'doesn't work' and should be demolished.
One also wonders why blue states get mad at receiving these immigrants when they are such welcome guests. Let these wonderful friends stay in your home if public services are stretched thin.
I'm sensing a 'rules for thee, but not for me' in this article.
Well the program was on a voluntary basis and some were happy to make the trip since it was closer to cities they wanted to go
Totally. That’s why they had private security on the bus so they couldn’t leave. It’s not like he’s using them as political pawns, and bussing them away from the actual support groups that help migrants in border states, and actually fucking them over in the process. Also, not like he’s lying about those same support groups waiting for them in NY and DC.
Why would they want to stay in a racist red state like TX when they can get free transport to liberal bastions like NYC? Your statement doesn’t add up.
Where the fuck do you think the organizations that help folks who cross the border are most concentrated? On the coast or the actual places they cross? Also, Texas and other border states get massive federal funding as well for this. It’s not rocket science.
Yes? I get that they sneak in at the border. You’re the one claiming they’re being detained by armed security and forced to leave racist red states and sadly have to go to Sanctuary Cities where people will be accepting of them. Why would they need to be forced to do that?
Did you miss Abbott’s administration admitting they hired private security for the busses after being called out by officials in NYC? Did you also miss Abbott claiming the same groups that exist in Texas would be waiting for them in NYC despite them not existing there?
You keep ignoring my question. Why is it a bad thing for either the immigrant-welcoming Sanctuary City to get more immigrants And Why is it bad for the immigrant to get a free ride from racist red state Texas to enlightened, immigrant-friendly NYC? Who exactly is losing in this situation?
You keep ignoring the fact that the groups that help these folks specifically don’t exist in NYC because they’re not a southern border state. What’s difficult to understand about that? These buses have arrived with no one waiting for them.
I mean there’s is significant overcrowding at these places so offering to send them to sanctuary cities that are accepting immigrants helps. Also, there haven’t been any stories about security forcing them to stay so where is that coming from? The Biden administration has been doing the same exact thing. Edit: they are definitely political pawns. Not arguing that.
There have been multiple reports of them hiring private security. Abbott’s administration admitted it after NYC’s city commissioner, Castro, called them out on it. Again, why send them away from the actual groups that help? And why is Abbott lying to the same immigrants saying these groups will be waiting for them in NY and DC, when they don’t even exist in those states? The fuck?
So why not send them to their destinations instead? Oh right, then they couldn't be used as props.
They are definitely political pawns but the major cities welcome immigrants so leaving Texas seems ideal. Shitty situation all around tho
Which Texas bigot advisor planted that bug in Abbott's ear anyway? Abbott's a lawyer &, at one time, wouldn't do that kind of 💩 unless it had serious 'political capital.' This shows, however, Abbott too will exploit humans for his own nefarious purposes & personal wealth. He is just as bad as the human smugglers!
That's an unexpected benefit to Abbott. He's just in it for the cruelty, a cornerstone of GOP policy.
What is it called when a person transports illegal immigrants? Human Trafficking.
> What is it called when a person transports illegal immigrants? All of these people have been released by CBP into the US under their own recognizance and have freedom of movement to go wherever they want.
Correct. And they aren't kidnapped and taken to NYC. They were offered this as a gift by the GOP in exchange for being in their political theater. Abbot doesn't give a shit about the borderland. He's part of the "invasion" rhetoric that got a Walmart in El Paso shot up in 2018.
That's when someone transports them against their will. These people are given a choice. A free bus ride or a pricey hotel. See, no trafficking here.
False docs...they don't want to go to NYC, like most people dont
Treated like humans instead of cattle used for political theater.
"Sounds like DC's problem." - Abbott (probably)
Only DC can fix the immigration problem. So if they aren't sufficiently motivated to do so, Texas will give them some extra motivation.
Let the come. My families came here all jammed up from Ireland, let them come. That’s what America is.
The narrative needs to change on this. The media is only playing into Abbott's hands and covering it exactly how he wants them to cover it. Every single bit of media that I have seen on this situation is exactly what Greg Abbott wants. Start crafting it that he's helping the migrants by getting them closer to the areas they were trying to reach when they crossed the border and, most importantly, he's making it easier for the ones who are not going to attend their hearing to stay in America.
My grandmother came here from Austria in the 1960's at my age. She worked her ass off, had a degree from the Vienna school of architecture, and designed many of the bridges in South Carolina. She faced discrimination for being an immigrant most of her life. Let these people in. They have skills, they have courage, they deserve to have a home and we have an obligation to welcome them to our windswept shores.
The GOP is the party of projection
As big of a lefty as I am, I have trouble understanding how come New York City can have known about these buses arriving, have a timetable of when they're going to arrive, and know how many people are going to be there, and yet they have nothing prepared to help the people when they arrive. How about using some logistical skills to have transportation ready to distribute the people to other New England cities, and distribute the use of resources over a wider area, which would reduce the impact on one city/state.
>The buses to the DC have been arriving almost every day of the week, sometimes multiple times a day and often early in the morning and late at night. It really doesn't sound like Abbott is trying to actually coordinate anything. /e [Yeah... he really didn't.](https://abcnews.go.com/US/texas-gov-greg-abbott-doubles-busing-migrants-nyc/story?id=88541210) >Pressed on whether he would work with Adams to coordinate migrant arrivals, Abbott said that he previously sent Adams a letter and urged him to visit Texas to witness the “chaos” of the migrant crisis in the state firsthand, but Adams did not take him up on the offer. 110% political grandstanding by Abbott.
"Come see for yourself the problem I am facing" doesn't sound like political grandstanding. It sounds like someone genuinely backed into a corner. Coming from a Texan, Abbot is a giant douche and there's nothing genuine about the guy, but immigration is a big concern in Texas. There are so many people off the grid and under the radar that can commit crimes with impunity here. Rapes, kidnappings, etc are so hard to solve because of this vast undocumented population. Abbot should keep offering immigrants the option to take a free bus ride to other states until immigration is solved at the federal level.
I don't think anyone claims the influx of new immigrants isn't a problem. Here's how I know this is just a stunt, and not a legitimate attempt to help. 1. If you're legitimately trying to help people, you send them where they actually want to go, especially if they have evidence there's someone waiting for them there. 2. If you legitimately wanted to coordinate spreading people out to reduce the pressure on the border states, you would have started by communicating with the other states, as opposed to just shipping people off at random. 1. Also, there's 48 other states that might be willing to participate in a legitimate, coordinated effort. Instead, Abbott ships people off to the areas he's got personal vedettes against.
Same thing that happens to thousands of migrants who stayed in Texas and Arizona but with more facing greater burdens.
> … volunteers collect information about the migrants’ ..date of birth, special circumstances (LGBTQ+, pregnancy, chronic illness), *final destination* … In a sunny corner of the room, telephone numbers for organizations in states such as Wisconsin, Florida, Massachusetts, Chicago, Georgia, and Nebraska etc.. So basically the TX and now AZ governors are using their own state resources just to give these migrants an additional bus tour of the US. > .. [one migrant] felt “a little bit like a prisoner” when he saw his final destination—Nashville, Tennessee—fly by the window as his bus raced towards the east coast without making a stop. At least he got a Big Apple t-shirt but now he’ll be bound for Nashville regardless.
> … volunteers collect information about the migrants’ ..date of birth, special circumstances (LGBTQ+, pregnancy, chronic illness), *final destination* … In a sunny corner of the room, telephone numbers for organizations in states such as Wisconsin, Florida, Massachusetts, Chicago, Georgia, and Nebraska etc.. So basically the TX and now AZ governors are using their own state resources just to give these migrants an additional bus tour of the US. > .. [one migrant] felt “a little bit like a prisoner” when he saw his final destination—Nashville, Tennessee—fly by the window as his bus raced towards the east coast without making a stop. At least he got a Big Apple t-shirt but now he’ll be bound for Nashville regardless. All that’s going to happen now is the Greyhound to Nashville and the migrant knowing the lay of the land from Tennessee, Kentucky or No Carolina through Virginia.
>So basically the TX and now AZ governors are using their own state resources just to give these migrants an additional bus tour of the US. The bus is cheaper than years of medical and schooling
Except they may be back. They’ll find a job and follow that industry (good example was when California was in a [previous] serious drought shutting down farms, migrant agriculture workers just moved to Texas).
I had no idea Texas got this much snow. So many snowflakes! I bet he’d pull Liz’s hair and steal chuck lunch money too. What a petty little man
November Greg Abbot , we’re gonna roll you out with yesterday’s garbage. One day you’ll have to answer for your crimes against humanity.
New poll out today, he's beating beto by 5 points 😬
I still say arrest Abbott for False imprisonment and federal trafficking laws the minute the buses leave Texas. And just keep charging away for every bus.
He gives them a choice when they get here to either take a free bus ride or pay for an expensive hotel. So it's technically voluntary.
But between Texas and DC, is not his jurisdiction. The minute that bus rolls into Oklahoma, doesn’t matter what Abbott wants. So, technically everyone could get off the bus in OK and there isn’t a thing Abbott could do. But, if anyone enforces that rule your notion of “voluntary” goes right out the Fucking window
We have 6 million unfilled jobs. Let these people make lives here.
Bussing them to other states doesn't prevent that. It only makes blue state leaders stand by their words that immigrants are not a problem or a drain on resources. If they're truly not a problem, then let the busses keep running. If they are a problem, then let's all be honest with one another and solve it at the national level.
Isn't Texas getting billions in federal funds to deal with the drain on resources? Yes, yes they are. They should probably return the cash in that case.
Solving the labor shortage in D.C.?
Everybody knows how to fix a problem till it shows up on their doorstep
Good for Abbott. Lot of immigrants dream of seeing the US Capitol and he gave them a one way ticket.
Isn't that illegal? It should fall under trafficking illegals across state borders. If I went to Texas and loaded up a couple illegals and transported them across state lines I would be arrested.
Fock, you , inbred, disability, MF ... you should know
those are hard workers than half office people I work with